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Re: Resin parts for Warren tank cars all spoken for

Dave Nelson
 

You know, YEARS ago, I wrote to Mr. Walthers and told him about a big Kodak
film processing facility that was just a few doors down the street from
where I worked and explained how I could walk into that Kodak facility, drop
off my film, and specify which drugstore the photos should be sent for me to
pay and take receipt. I told him he should set up that kind of deal with
local hobby shops and let his customers do that with their orders. Everybody
wins. He wrote back and told me it was a great idea. Nice to know somebody
uses it.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
Rich

Thanks, I'd forgotten how easy it is to order from Walthers -- when they
have an item in stock, I can order it and have it shipped to my own local
dealer -- click, click, click -- and it's done. That way I help my dealer,
and I get his discount. So I ordered enough for a dozen tank cars.. should
be enough for a while. :-)

Tim


Re: More useful Precision Scale Parts

Bill Welch
 

Good one Tony, sorry to say I am among the "spelling challenged."

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Bill Welch wrote:
I am in the process of detailing two Central of Georgia ventilated
box cars . . . these cars did not have a brake step w/ a "ratchet &
paw" mechanism . . .
Is this for the brakeman who used his "paw" to operate the
hand brake . . . possible on one of Bill's favorite "y'all"
railroads . . . or perhaps was that meant to say "pawl"?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: National C-1 truck

Bryan Busséy
 

Ron, the National C-1 truck you are seeking is on the Atlas Hart ballast
cars, and they are an active product line.

bb

On 12/5/2011 5:18 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:

On Dec 5, 2011, at 12:54 PM, mopacfirst wrote:

I'm in need of a National C-1 70 ton truck, and I see references in
this list to a 'very poor representation' that's on some Atlas car.
Can anyone cite the particular car this 'very poor' truck is under,
if it's still in production?

Ron Merrick


Re: More useful Precision Scale Parts

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bill Welch wrote:
I am in the process of detailing two Central of Georgia ventilated box cars . . . these cars did not have a brake step w/ a "ratchet & paw" mechanism . . .
Is this for the brakeman who used his "paw" to operate the hand brake . . . possible on one of Bill's favorite "y'all" railroads . . . or perhaps was that meant to say "pawl"?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: More useful Precision Scale Parts

Todd Horton
 

Bill, If you need more pictures let me know.  Todd Horton



________________________________
From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 4:01 PM
Subject: [STMFC] More useful Precision Scale Parts



 

I am in the process of detailing two Central of Georgia ventilated
boxcars. Curiously none of the several photos I have of these cars
shows the "B" end. Luckily I had purchased a CofG shop scene with one
of these cars in the scene that had exactly what I needed as the
instructions with the car were too sketchy for my comfort. They are
correct in that these cars did not have a brake step w/ a "ratchet &
paw" mechanism. Instead the R&P mechanism was mounted on roof
bracket. Fortunately Precision Scale offers this part in brass, which
is ideal for such a vulnerable position. There are four to a packet
for which I paid $2 from Central Hobby Supply. On the subject of
brake hardware their Part # 3351 includes 2 each of two styles of
brackets that would have been mounted either under the end sill or to
the face of the end sill for particular applications of vertical
brake wheels. These are brass also.

It is nice to have these kinds of parts in the brake parts box as I
never know what I might come up against.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...

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Re: More useful Precision Scale Parts

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I am in the process of detailing two Central of Georgia ventilated
boxcars. Curiously none of the several photos I have of these cars
shows the "B" end. Luckily I had purchased a CofG shop scene with one
of these cars in the scene that had exactly what I needed as the
instructions with the car were too sketchy for my comfort. They are
correct in that these cars did not have a brake step w/ a "ratchet &
paw" mechanism. Instead the R&P mechanism was mounted on roof
bracket. Fortunately Precision Scale offers this part in brass, which
is ideal for such a vulnerable position...
Bill,

You just discovered the joy of working on a prototype so old that it crosses over into the narrow gauge era. Until the first decade of the twentieth century, or sometimes just a bit later, there was really no difference between car construction between cars intended for standard gauge and narrow gauge railways... And between Grandt Line and PSC (formerly Kemtron) there has been a LOT of freight car hardware detail parts made. It's just a shame that Grandt no longer makes any of theirs in brass.

Only thing to watch for is the very nice KC brake set by Grant correctly models an 8"x12" prototype, and is therefore too small for standard gauge freight cars, although it is the proper size for the Soo Line's wood caboose fleet, and is what I used to pack in my kits.

Interesting side note... when the Soo converted these cars to AB equipment, they retained the small brake cylinders, which were properly matched to the weight of the car. Either the pressure head castings to convert these cylinders were no longer available, or the Soo was too cheap to buy them, because all the remaining examples I can think of have a simple flat steel plate for a pressure head, easily modeled by simply cutting the reservoir off and filing the back of the cylinder flat.

Dennis


Re: North Coast Prototype Models

Dennis Williams
 

Harbor Freight #4468   $6.99  Blasting gloves.
  Dennis Williams/Owner
www.resinbuilders4u.com


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From: "jerryglow@..." <jerryglow@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 11:24 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: North Coast Prototype Models



 

I had a different make and wore mine out also and now use kitchen gloves (the kind for dishwahing). Not as sturdy but a lot more flexible and readily available.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Don" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

Hello folks,

After more years than I can remember I have finally worn out the gloves on my North Coast Proroype Models aluminun oxide blaster. Does anyone have a valid telephone number for John Polyak these days or know where a pair of replacement gloves can be purchased. The Tractor Supply Co. has some that are similar but not the same and I woud like to replace them in kind if possible. Both numbers I have for John seem no longer to be valid. Hard to clean old and grimy steam era freight cars without the blaster working. (-:

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Don Valentine



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Re: National C-1 truck

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 5, 2011, at 12:54 PM, mopacfirst wrote:

I'm in need of a National C-1 70 ton truck, and I see references in
this list to a 'very poor representation' that's on some Atlas car.
Can anyone cite the particular car this 'very poor' truck is under,
if it's still in production?

Ron Merrick
Ron, Eastern Car Works has a 55 ton National C-1 truck kit with the
correct (and distinctive) C-1 side frame configuration, and this
might work as a 70 ton truck as well, since (as usual with HO truck
side frames) the journal boxes are a bit oversize. Stock number
9059. These are kits where the side frames and bolster have to be
glued together, but aside from making sure that alignment is correct
so that all four wheels track properly, I haven't found that to be
difficult. They're a bit lame by comparison with current HO trucks
(e.g., no brake shoes or rigging) but the side frames look good.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Resin parts for Warren tank cars all spoken for

Steve SANDIFER
 

Tom,
I would like a set on your back order list. Do you want payment now or later?
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: pullmanboss
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 6:38 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Resin parts for Warren tank cars all spoken for



All 28 Warren tank car casting sets are spoken for. I'll start a wait list and will plan on making at least one more mold.

Thanks,

Tom Madden


More useful Precision Scale Parts

Bill Welch
 

I am in the process of detailing two Central of Georgia ventilated
boxcars. Curiously none of the several photos I have of these cars
shows the "B" end. Luckily I had purchased a CofG shop scene with one
of these cars in the scene that had exactly what I needed as the
instructions with the car were too sketchy for my comfort. They are
correct in that these cars did not have a brake step w/ a "ratchet &
paw" mechanism. Instead the R&P mechanism was mounted on roof
bracket. Fortunately Precision Scale offers this part in brass, which
is ideal for such a vulnerable position. There are four to a packet
for which I paid $2 from Central Hobby Supply. On the subject of
brake hardware their Part # 3351 includes 2 each of two styles of
brackets that would have been mounted either under the end sill or to
the face of the end sill for particular applications of vertical
brake wheels. These are brass also.

It is nice to have these kinds of parts in the brake parts box as I
never know what I might come up against.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


National C-1 truck

mopacfirst
 

I'm in need of a National C-1 70 ton truck, and I see references in this list to a 'very poor representation' that's on some Atlas car. Can anyone cite the particular car this 'very poor' truck is under, if it's still in production?

Ron Merrick


Re: Model Railroad Hobbyist online magazine

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bill Welch wrote:
The November and December issues of the online Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine has prototype modeling articles by Jack Burgess and Tony Thompson respectively.
Thanks for the notice, Bill. Actually both Jack's and my contributions are part of series of columns under the series name, "Getting Real," intended by editor Joe Fugate to present the views of several prototype modelers. Columns will appear in rotation under the series title by Joe, Jack, Marty McGuirk, Mike Rose, and me. In fact, Jack's and my columns are the last in the rotation of five, and the cycle will continue to repeat in later issues of MRH.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Model Railroad Hobbyist online magazine

Bill Welch
 

The November and December issues of the online Model Railroad
Hobbyist magazine has prototype modeling articles by Jack Burgess and
Tony Thompson respectively.
Bill Welch


Re: Flat car underbody question

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed

When the basic structure is there (floor, center sill, bolsters,
cross members, draft gear), the super-details can be (1) left off
or (2) postponed. In other words, if you ever change eras or
whatever, someone who buys your model has the choice to add those
details if that is something they like to do.

So in spite of your statement, you actually DO model details that
can't be seen. You just don't model ALL of them.

Tim O'Connor

-------------------------------------------

Chad
I do a lot of Freight and Passenger car scratch building I try
to put as much detail as I can into each car.
How ever when it comes to Flat cars and Gondolas that have
fishbelly sides that completely hide any under body detail I
leave it out, except for the center sills and cross members.
So, my bottom line is if you can't see it I don't model it. This
leaves me more time to do the fine detail that you can see.

Ed Ursem


Abacus models/ MDT steam era reefers/Doc Denny

ed_mines
 

Abacus announced several models already on the market.

Considering the excellent HO scale plans provided in Roger's articles in "Mainline Modeler" I wonder why more men aren't considering building models the old fashioned way like Mainline or Ambroid. $40 is a little steep for something so easy to build.

Lastly, I have seen amy posts from the other lover of old wood kits - Doc Denny. I haven't seen any posts from him lately. Is he OK or aren't I spending enough time reading the messages?

Ed Mines


Flat car underbody question

Ed <nprybiged@...>
 

Chad
I do a lot of Freight and Passenger car scratch building I try
to put as much detail as I can into each car.
How ever when it comes to Flat cars and Gondolas that have
fishbelly sides that completely hide any under body detail I
leave it out, except for the center sills and cross members.
So, my bottom line is if you can't see it I don't model it. This
leaves me more time to do the fine detail that you can see.

Ed Ursem


Re: Flat car underbody question

Tim O'Connor
 

Walt

Can you see the center sill of a box car when it is on your track?
I've seen a lot of layouts, and I'm safe saying that on 95% of the
layouts, it cannot be seen by an adult standing at trackside.

There is such a thing as the logical implication of a statement.

If for example, I say that I am flying to Cocoa Beach, you probably
would conclude that I am traveling on an airplane and have not grown
a pair of wings. You draw such an inference without a second thought.
Why do you suddenly develop an inability to make an inference about
the phrase "invisible when the car is on the track"?

Tim O'Connor

At 12/5/2011 01:00 PM Monday, you wrote:
Richard said, "In my opinion, it is pointless to model underframe details which are invisible when the car is on the track. . . ," NOT "it is pointless to model ANY underframe details." Certainly his statement does not say, "leave it all off, including the center sill."

Walt Lankenau


Re: Buckeye ends (was Erie 78000-78499)

ed_mines
 

I'm not sure if these Buckeye ends were made for that series or taller auto box cars but Red Ball had both cast metal & plastic ends and Roller Bearing had very nice resin ends.

Ed Mines

--- In STMFC@..., Rich C <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Larry, I am with you on this. Keith Retterer produced castings of these a long time ago. He also made the 3 panel 10' IH Creco Doors that were used on C&O's 1937 10'IH Box Cars. We need another producer for both of these parts!
 
Rich Christie


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From: Larry Sexton <SSEXTON9@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:34 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] RE: Buckeye ends (was Erie 78000-78499)


 
Does anyone beside Sunshine Models make a separate Buckeye end applicable
for the ERIE 78-78499 series boxcars, and if so, is it currently avalible?

Larry Sexton

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 10:27 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: Buckeye ends (was Erie 78000-78499)

On Sep 6, 2010, at 8:22 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Yes. The 1923 ARA cars in series 75500-75999 had Buckeye Ends that
had the
panel seam on a corrugation. see page 94 of RPC 18. The 1932 ARA
cars and
these cars had the panel seam between the corrugations.
I'll add to this that the corrugations on the later Buckeye ends were
shaped somewhat differently than those on the earlier ends, with a
pronounced taper at the ends, in contrast to the flat ends on the
earlier corrugations. This is is readily visible in photos of the
Erie's 1932 ARA cars vs. the 1923 ARA cars.

Richard Hendrickson

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Re: Flat car underbody question

mcindoefalls
 

Richard said, "In my opinion, it is pointless to model underframe details which are invisible when the car is on the track. . . ," NOT "it is pointless to model ANY underframe details." Certainly his statement does not say, "leave it all off, including the center sill."

Walt Lankenau

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Tony

But that is EXACTLY how to interpret Richard's statement. Since
the underframe on house cars is invisible from most viewing angles,
it can be eliminated. That is what Model Die Casting did on their
FMC box cars (a half dozen different models), and I think those
models are 100% in conformance with Richard's statement. This is
not a straw man -- it is a fact that found it's way to hobby
shelves for almost 20 years. For Chad to do the same thing with
his flat cars would be a giant leap backwards, IMO.

Tim O'Connor



Tim O'Connor wrote:
What straw man would that be, exactly?
That would be your sweeping statement, and I quote, "Your argument
makes the case for the elimination of nearly all underframe details of
any kind, including the underframe itself!!!"
Richard, of course, said no such thing.

Tony Thompson


Tight clearances on B&O, was, Re: B&O Circle T stencil

rwitt_2000
 

Tim,

It is the designation as suitable for LCL service that is the key. The
reply was fixated on the Parkersburg Branch, but there were other
portions on the B&O that also had restricted clearances. Thus a box car
suitable for LCL service that was stenciled with a circle "T" had to be
able to travel anywhere on the B&O system without restrictions. A very
good example of the clearance problems still faced by the B&O even in
the late 1950s was their "custom" order for 40-ft, PS-1 box cars in 1957
with an interior height of 10-ft where the standard PS-1 nearly always
had an interior height of 10-ft 6-inches. And of course, some of these
brand new PS-1 carried a circle "T" stencil. Before 1960 essentially all
single door box cars on the B&O with an interior length of 40'-6" had a
interior height of 10-ft or less.

Regards,

Bob Witt



> Jim Mischke wrote: "The circle T stencil meant that such boxcars
could go anywhere on B&O,
> the Parkersburg Sub was a limiting factor to be addressed."

Tim O'Connor wrote:

WHAT??? I have more than a dozen saved emails from Jim Mischke, Dave
Sieber,
Pat Wider, Ken Braden, others, including direct quotations from B&O
company
memos, going back 8 years, saying

circle T - fit for Timesaver LCL service (clean, mechanically
sound)

By the same token, a car stenciled this way was also able to travel
over the
Parkersburg Sub. But that was not the "meaning" of the stencil
according to
all of those other posts.

Tim O'Connor

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