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Re: Cheap room to share in Cocoa Beach

william darnaby
 

Mike sez....

And, possibly surprising to some...we also pay for the "free" cookies and coffee...with the stipulation that I get a cookie when they come out. Stay close to me at cookie time<G>.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss


Speaking of which, as a cookie consumer (assuming I get to the cookie plate in time), how about a greater proportion of chocolate chips. They always go first!

Bill Darnaby


Re: Cheap room to share in Cocoa Beach

lnnrr <lnnrr@...>
 

I suggest that those who are offended should vote with their
shopping dollars. That is the voice that is always heard.
Chuck Peck

--- In STMFC@..., "Dave Nelson" <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

I take deep offense at the comment below... it's no different than those bumper stickers you see now and then: "How's my driving? Call 1-800-eat-my-shorts"... only the suggested meal is somewhat different.... I run a set of internet forums... I'll tell you that were someone to make a comment like this on my board your subscription would be gone before I got to the end of your sentence.

A pile of passive-aggressive krap.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Andy Carlson

I will be attending my 1st, and LAST Cocoa Beach RPM meet. My impulse is to say Screw you to all that deserve it, but I will refrain.
-Andy Carlson


Making reservations at Cocoa Beach/Prototype Rails

m repka
 

Ahh, I liked “Peggy” in the Lisle Marriott coffee shop, even though I only ate there the first day for breakfast! She was Luithanian and had a lovely accent, but very good English, but I did mistake her for Albanian, since I live in “New” Little Albania! (Next country to assemble model railroad stuff if I have my way!) Mike

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Re: Cheap room to share in Cocoa Beach

Dave Nelson
 

I take deep offense at the comment below... it's no different than those bumper stickers you see now and then: "How's my driving? Call 1-800-eat-my-shorts"... only the suggested meal is somewhat different.... I run a set of internet forums... I'll tell you that were someone to make a comment like this on my board your subscription would be gone before I got to the end of your sentence.

A pile of passive-aggressive krap.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Andy Carlson

I will be attending my 1st, and LAST Cocoa Beach RPM meet. My impulse is to say Screw you to all that deserve it, but I will refrain.
-Andy Carlson


1925 C of G Flat Car Survives

Todd Horton
 

The Central of Georgia Historical Society recently received a donation of a 1925 flat car. This car was built by Tennessee Coal and Iron for the Central of Georgia.  The car number hasn't been identified as of yet but it's from the 10701-10800 series.This car some how survived and is in all original condition. The brakes and the trucks were never upgraded as this car most likely spent it final years for the railroad in maintance of way service. The car is presently in Rome Ga at a Georgia Power Plant. The CGRHS is trying to get donations to have the car moved to Savannah Ga to be restored. Not many cars from this era survived as original as this car is. I would ask that anyone interested please make a donation to help in having this car moved. I have provided a link below to where you can make a donation.  The CGRHS is a nonprofit, tax-exempt 501(c)3 organization. All donations are tax deductible as allowed by the IRS. Anyone that has any
questions may contact me off line.  Todd Horton
 
 
 
http://cofga.org/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=3&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=2


Re: 2007 Shake 'n' Take car, Kahn's reefer

Larry Sexton
 

Thanks to all for the sanity check. Following Tony's email I clicked on the
link and this time opened the article.



Larry



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
al_brown03
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:32 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 2007 Shake 'n' Take car, Kahn's reefer





I got the same error message Larry did, clicked the link in it, and voila:
story. (Nice car, Tony.)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Anthony
Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Larry Sexton wrote:
Has anyone tried the link and determined whether it works? This is
the message I received. "Sorry, the page you were looking for in the
blog
<http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/> modeling the SP does not exist."
Larry, I just clicked on the link in your own email and it works.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: 2007 Shake 'n' Take car, Kahn's reefer

al_brown03
 

I got the same error message Larry did, clicked the link in it, and voila: story. (Nice car, Tony.)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Larry Sexton wrote:
Has anyone tried the link and determined whether it works? This is
the message I received. "Sorry, the page you were looking for in the
blog
<http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/> modeling the SP does not exist."
Larry, I just clicked on the link in your own email and it works.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: 2007 Shake 'n' Take car, Kahn's reefer

Steve Haas
 

Larry Sexton wrote:
Has anyone tried the link and determined whether it works? This is
the message I received. "Sorry, the page you were looking for in the
blog
<http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/> modeling the SP does not exist."
And Tony Thompson replied:

<<Larry, I just clicked on the link in your own email and it works.>>

Worked just fine here out of the link in Larry's e-mail, too.


Best regards,

Steve Haas
Snoqualmie, WA


Re: 2007 Shake 'n' Take car, Kahn's reefer

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Larry Sexton wrote:
Has anyone tried the link and determined whether it works? This is the message I received. "Sorry, the page you were looking for in the blog
<http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/> modeling the SP does not exist."
Larry, I just clicked on the link in your own email and it works.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Lackawanna Steel pre-USRA twin hoppers

David
 

--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@...> wrote:
Looking at Bob Kurig's hopper book, it mentions that steelmaker Lackawanna Steel had a number of the "1905 Common Design" 7-rib twin hoppers, and that they were sold off to various railroads.

Which railroads got these secondhand hoppers, and what number series'?
The original series were:

LSX 3000-3699 ACF ? Lot 8013
LSX 4000-4699 SSC 8/16
LSX 5000-5299 ACF 9/17 Lot 8451

The AC&F cars had 10'6" eaves height, while the SSC cars were 10' even.

It seems likely these became Bethlehem Mines BMIX 8000-9699 in the early 1920s.

NYO&W bought 400 of these in January 1928, series 19000-19399 (these were mixed ACF and SSC cars), and went back for another 300 in December, series 19400-19699 (these were all ACF cars).

David Thompson


Re: 2007 Shake 'n' Take car, Kahn's reefer

Todd Horton
 

Larry, Try this one. Todd Horton
 
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0Bz_ctrHrDz4wNjlhNDU2NDEtMWQ2MC00ODJmLWFjNWQtMDFlMjY1YTE1ZWJi&hl=en_US


________________________________
From: Larry Sexton <SSEXTON9@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 7:34 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] 2007 Shake 'n' Take car, Kahn's reefer



 

Has anyone tried the link and determined whether it works? This is the
message I received. "Sorry, the page you were looking for in the blog
<http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/> modeling the SP does not exist."

Larry Sexton

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 6:00 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] 2007 Shake 'n' Take car, Kahn's reefer

I've finished the 2007 "Shake 'n' Take" project car, the Kahn's
reefer. I didn't follow the original directions from Greg Martin in
all respects, but I've summarized what I did do in a post to my blog,
which also contains in-process photos as well as a shot of the
completed car. If you're interested, here's a link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/12/shake-n-take-modeling-project-kahn
s.htm

The original directions for this project, with permission from Greg,
are also available via Google Docs from this post.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: Cheap room to share in Cocoa Beach

Rod Miller
 

On 12/9/11 4:11 PM, mike brock wrote:
Al Westerfield writes:

"When we were in business we had two business plans for hotel stays. For
RPMs and the like we stayed at the host hotels to support the “free” meeting
rooms. "

I appreciate that. However, to be correct, at least at Prototype Rails, the
meet receives only a free ball room if we reach a specific room night
number. We also get a free room night which we apply to a clinician for
every 50 room nights we sell. To be sure, though, the meeting rooms [ 6 ]
are very definitely NOT free.

And, possibly surprising to some...we also pay for the "free" cookies and
coffee...with the stipulation that I get a cookie when they come out. Stay
close to me at cookie time<G>.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss
At O Scale West the number of rooms rented reduces our cost for the
ballroom. On the other hand, if we fail to rent the minimum number of
rooms called for by the contract, we have to pay for the shortfall in
rooms at the contracted room night rate per room.

Rod


--

Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2012 Meet is Feb 9-11
http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com


Re: 2007 Shake 'n' Take car, Kahn's reefer

Larry Sexton
 

Has anyone tried the link and determined whether it works? This is the
message I received. "Sorry, the page you were looking for in the blog
<http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/> modeling the SP does not exist."



Larry Sexton

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 6:00 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] 2007 Shake 'n' Take car, Kahn's reefer





I've finished the 2007 "Shake 'n' Take" project car, the Kahn's
reefer. I didn't follow the original directions from Greg Martin in
all respects, but I've summarized what I did do in a post to my blog,
which also contains in-process photos as well as a shot of the
completed car. If you're interested, here's a link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/12/shake-n-take-modeling-project-kahn
s.htm

The original directions for this project, with permission from Greg,
are also available via Google Docs from this post.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Cheap room to share in Cocoa Beach

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Al Westerfield writes:

"When we were in business we had two business plans for hotel stays. For RPMs and the like we stayed at the host hotels to support the “free” meeting rooms. "

I appreciate that. However, to be correct, at least at Prototype Rails, the meet receives only a free ball room if we reach a specific room night number. We also get a free room night which we apply to a clinician for every 50 room nights we sell. To be sure, though, the meeting rooms [ 6 ] are very definitely NOT free.

And, possibly surprising to some...we also pay for the "free" cookies and coffee...with the stipulation that I get a cookie when they come out. Stay close to me at cookie time<G>.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss


Re: Cheap room to share in Cocoa Beach

Scott Pitzer
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:
As Robert Heinlein said, TANSTAAFL�. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
========================
Yikes! I think I may have heard someone say "TANSTAAFL" one time, and I figured it was an air base in West Germany...
Scott Pitzer


2007 Shake 'n' Take car, Kahn's reefer

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I've finished the 2007 "Shake 'n' Take" project car, the Kahn's reefer. I didn't follow the original directions from Greg Martin in all respects, but I've summarized what I did do in a post to my blog, which also contains in-process photos as well as a shot of the completed car. If you're interested, here's a link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/12/shake-n-take-modeling-project-kahns.htm

The original directions for this project, with permission from Greg, are also available via Google Docs from this post.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Making reservations at Cocoa Beach/Prototype Rails

sctry
 

No, no Mike, "Peggy" was the hostess in the coffe shop of the Marriott at this year's Lisle RPM.

John Greedy

--- In STMFC@..., "mike brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

Tom Madden says:


Just made my reservations, and I had to go through three operators before
I reached one I could understand...
You know that TV commercial with the phone operator guy pretending to be a
girl...that's the operator the Hilton is using...

Mike Brock


Re: Cheap room to share in Cocoa Beach

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

When we were in business we had two business plans for hotel stays. For RPMs and the like we stayed at the host hotels to support the “free” meeting rooms. However, when we had tables at professional trade shows we found the cheapest place available. The booth fees and associated costs cover the hall and are really expensive. We have no choice but to find a cheap hotel if we want to make a profit. For example at the Cincinnati NMRA National Train Show we stayed at a Motel 6 across the river in Kentucky. As Robert Heinlein said, “TANSTAAFL”. There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch. – Al Westerfield

From: Andy Carlson
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 12:16 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Cheap room to share in Cocoa Beach


I will be attending my 1st, and LAST Cocoa Beach RPM meet. My impulse is to say
Screw you to all that deserve it, but I will refrain.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

________________________________
From: Anthony Thompson <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 9, 2011 10:12:32 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Cheap room to share in Cocoa Beach

I entirely understand the impulse to find a cheaper hotel
room, and it's perhaps unfortunate that Andy Carlson finds himself in
the spotlight on this issue. But this is really another example of
taking into account NOT ONLY your own finances, but those of the
meeting. As several people have pointed out, the reality of hotel
contracts requires "room nights" to keep registration fees within
reason. If everyone "did a Carlson" (sorry, Andy) and stayed outside
the meet hotel, our registration fee would probably be $250 each,
maybe more, and there goes the savings on that "cheap room," plus now
we are ALL worse off. I have always felt an obligation to stay in the
meeting hotel if at all possible, because I know that's how meetings
work. Yes, the room costs more: it's really part of the true meeting
cost, and we hide from that at our peril. But of course YMMV.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: Lackawanna Steel pre-USRA twin hoppers

Jim Mischke
 

Thank you, Pieter.

"Lackawanna Steel" gets me a 2002 STMFC list discussion about O&W hopper classes, two series' identified by David Thompson as possibly former Lackawanna Steel.

--- In STMFC@..., "Pieter_Roos" <pieter_roos@...> wrote:

I can't help on the hoppers, but if you put the phrase in double quote marks the search will only find the whole phrase.

"Lackawanna steel hopper" returns no hits.

"Lackawanna hopper" returns 10 hits, none of which seem to relate to the cars that interest you on a quick skim.

Pieter Roos
Connecticut

--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:



Looking at Bob Kurig's hopper book, it mentions that steelmaker Lackawanna Steel had a number of the "1905 Common Design" 7-rib twin hoppers, and that they were sold off to various railroads.

Which railroads got these secondhand hoppers, and what number series'?

This may have been discussed on this list before, however, the yahoo message search tool is awful, with thousands of hits each for "Lackawanna", "steel", and "hopper". No exact phrase, relevance, or other useful options.


Re: Lackawanna Steel pre-USRA twin hoppers

Pieter Roos
 

I can't help on the hoppers, but if you put the phrase in double quote marks the search will only find the whole phrase.

"Lackawanna steel hopper" returns no hits.

"Lackawanna hopper" returns 10 hits, none of which seem to relate to the cars that interest you on a quick skim.

Pieter Roos
Connecticut

--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@...> wrote:



Looking at Bob Kurig's hopper book, it mentions that steelmaker Lackawanna Steel had a number of the "1905 Common Design" 7-rib twin hoppers, and that they were sold off to various railroads.

Which railroads got these secondhand hoppers, and what number series'?

This may have been discussed on this list before, however, the yahoo message search tool is awful, with thousands of hits each for "Lackawanna", "steel", and "hopper". No exact phrase, relevance, or other useful options.

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