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Re: discussions at Cocoa Beach

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 17, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

I have a request for you all to discuss -- What do you think
of Hart Convertible gondolas as a possible resin kit? I think
that many railroads owned these and quite a few of them were
still around in 1950, although they disappeared pretty soon
after that. Were there any common designs between different
owners?
Tim, the problem with the Rodger-Hart ballast cars was that the
design kept changing so rapidly. Sure, some RRs had cars of the same
design, but the next year the cars were different and the year after
that....

My book on the Santa Fe open top cars shows four quite different
designs in less than a decade, and there were several other versions
the Santa Fe didn't have. I know the version I'd like to see modeled
(Santa Fe Ga-Q and Ga-S), but it would be of no use to modelers of
many other RRs. So how is a manufacturer supposed to decide which
one to do?

Richard Hendrickson

Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Steve's link took me, at least, to the cover of the book. There are photos
on the page facing 88, and a few pages later, in the appendix. Click
through a few pages from the front, and you get to the TofC, which has
hotlinks to get to later chapters in the book, so you don't have to page
through the entire thing.



I think this photo was taken FROM the Customs House, which was the tallest
building in Boston for years, until (I think) the Prudential building was
built in the back bay in the 60s.

I, too, wondered if the photo was taken from the Custom House tower but believe the angle is wrong and that it was taken for a rooftop along Atlntic Ave. But the first building taller than the Custom House tower in Boston was not the Prudential. It was either the old New England Telephone & Telegraph Building or the original John Hancock Buillding with the light in its tower to tell what the weather forecast was by changing its color. I was told as a youngster that airline pilots approaching Boston form NYC could see the beacon on the John Hancock Building by teh time they reached Hartford, CT.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Roaring Rails

Joel Holmes <lehighvalley@...>
 

Hi William,

There was the time Barney was returning to Mayberry on the train and it
showed him riding on either a ATSF or a UP train. (Can't remember which.)
Amazing that those trains could get so far east.

Joel

I must admit that, while watching movies from the 1930s and 1940s with my
wife, I occasionally comment to her about how amazing it is to see a SP
Pacific hauling a passenger train into Chicago.

Regards,
wb

--
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Attorney and Counsellor-at-Law
578 74th Street
Brooklyn, New York 11209-2614
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Re: discussions at Cocoa Beach

Tim O'Connor
 

I have a request for you all to discuss -- What do you think
of Hart Convertible gondolas as a possible resin kit? I think
that many railroads owned these and quite a few of them were
still around in 1950, although they disappeared pretty soon
after that. Were there any common designs between different
owners?

Tim O'Connor

Re: Roaring Rails

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

My favorite is the film Union Station where someone arrives in Los Angeles and then take a NYC elevated. – Al Westerfield

From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:39 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Roaring Rails



And because a LOT of people rode trains back then, I'm sure many
of them noticed the goof. Kind of like if a contemporary film was
going to show someone flying out of O'Hare and then showed them
getting out of the taxi at Orlando International, which many people
will recognize.

Currently getting a lot of TV exposure, "White Christmas" has the Danny
Kaye/Bing Crosby characters riding from Florida to Vermont in both a Santa Fe
Warbonnet F unit powered train, and an SP Black Widow train.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA




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Re: Roaring Rails

Tim O'Connor
 

And because a LOT of people rode trains back then, I'm sure many
of them noticed the goof. Kind of like if a contemporary film was
going to show someone flying out of O'Hare and then showed them
getting out of the taxi at Orlando International, which many people
will recognize.

Currently getting a lot of TV exposure, "White Christmas" has the Danny
Kaye/Bing Crosby characters riding from Florida to Vermont in both a Santa Fe
Warbonnet F unit powered train, and an SP Black Widow train.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

Peter Ness
 

Hi Brian,

In the aerial collection are a couple of Fairchild Aerial Survey photos. The New Haven's freight yard in Boston was called the South Boston Freight Terminal and was appropriately located in South Boston. Searching within the BPL collection for "South Boston aerial" will pull up a small grroup of photos that includes a few of the NH yard. The TOFC yard was 5 Yard and can be located by identifying the long coal bunker near the harbors' edge. The road paralleling the harbor is Northern Avenue, where the Union Freight Railroad connected to the New Haven, and the tracks that run perpendicular to, and end at Northern Avenue are 5 Yard. The large pier visible in the photos is Commonwealth Pier, the next pier to the left is Pier 4 (later home to Anthony's famous restaurant). 5 Yard is almost across Northern Ave from Pier 4 and extends to the left. Freight Houses 1, 2 and 3 (variously inbound and outbound LCL) were beyond 5 Yard and again paralleled Northern Avenue. The 6-8 tracks in 5 Yard closest to the coal bunker were the TOFC yard with ramps at the Northern Ave end and concrete aprons surrounding the tracks. I don't think TOFC activity is visible in the BPL photos; I believe the coal bunker was torn down about 1930 and TOFC service began at the end of 1937.

Here are links to two good photos in the collection. More detail can be pulled out if you have a photo software package on your computer - you can magnify the high resolution image to show greater detail.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5334162492/sizes/o/in/photostream/

This photo includes the Customs House Tower that was discussed by Schyler Larrabee and shows some locations identified by Bill Keay

http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5334162326/sizes/o/in/photostream/

In case we are getting too far "off track" from freight cars with this thread - although all freight cars had to go to yard facilities somewhere at some point) I will offer you can contact me off list so the Moderator doesn't put us in jail <BG>

Thanks to others pointing out B&M and NYC operations as well. Boston Harbor never had the complexity of New York, but there were indeed many interesting operations.

Regards,
Peter Ness

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From: Brian
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 3:06 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor



> Boston Public Library has a great (my opinion) on-line photostream (Flickr) for those interested in early operations and rail equipment of NYC/B&A, B&M and NH railroads. . . . Be sure to check out the aerials collection and use the available high resolution views where possible. -Peter Ness <

The Boston aerial photos are identified by area / neighborhood / township (what's the proper nomenclature?). For example:

Boston. Bellevue
Boston. Codman Square

I'd like to find the New Haven's early piggyback yard located across the harbor from a large B&A warehouse. Would someone know what area / neighborhood / township to look for?

-Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa

Re: Roaring Rails

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
I recall an episode of Star Trek where they "time travelled" to Detroit and suddenly in one scene you can see mountains in the distance! Ya just
gotta love Hollywood. I don't think anyone in the biz has ever taken a geography class.
Not true at all, Tim. In fact, there is typically a whole crew of "continuity" and "scene dressing" people, who are forever deciding what is important enough to do correctly and what isn't. That we train enthusiasts often find a train discrepancy just means it was regarded as not important, and you can be sure that an awful lot of the public would agree. And besides, it provides entertainment for us. <g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

Brian <cornbeltroute@...>
 

Boston Public Library has a great (my opinion) on-line photostream (Flickr) for those interested in early operations and rail equipment of NYC/B&A, B&M and NH railroads. . . . Be sure to check out the aerials collection and use the available high resolution views where possible. -Peter Ness <
The Boston aerial photos are identified by area / neighborhood / township (what's the proper nomenclature?). For example:

Boston. Bellevue
Boston. Codman Square

I'd like to find the New Haven's early piggyback yard located across the harbor from a large B&A warehouse. Would someone know what area / neighborhood / township to look for?

-Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa

Re: Roaring Rails

Andy Carlson
 

Currently getting a lot of TV exposure, "White Christmas" has the Danny
Kaye/Bing Crosby characters riding from Florida to Vermont in both a Santa Fe
Warbonnet F unit powered train, and an SP Black Widow train.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





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From: Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, December 17, 2011 11:19:52 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Roaring Rails



I recall an episode of Star Trek where they "time travelled" to Detroit
and suddenly in one scene you can see mountains in the distance! Ya just
gotta love Hollywood. I don't think anyone in the biz has ever taken a
geography class.

On freight cars .. the scene in "It Happened One Night" when the motorcade
driving through New Jersey is blocked by a local Southern Pacific freight!
And an episode of The Fugitive TV show where he's hiding in a cave somewhere
in Pennsylvania, and catches a passing freight led by D&RGW F units winding
through a deep canyon...

Tim O'Connor

I must admit that, while watching movies from the 1930s and 1940s with my
wife, I occasionally comment to her about how amazing it is to see a SP
Pacific hauling a passenger train into Chicago.

Regards,
wb



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Re: GN 14095 ex-PRR??

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 17, 2011, at 5:21 AM, Staffan Ehnbom wrote:

The GN doesn't seem to have received any round roof cars.
Staffan is, of course, correct. I was thinking of the NP's second
hand round roof cars. My apologies.


Richard Hendrickson

Re: Roaring Rails

Tim O'Connor
 

I recall an episode of Star Trek where they "time travelled" to Detroit
and suddenly in one scene you can see mountains in the distance! Ya just
gotta love Hollywood. I don't think anyone in the biz has ever taken a
geography class.

On freight cars .. the scene in "It Happened One Night" when the motorcade
driving through New Jersey is blocked by a local Southern Pacific freight!
And an episode of The Fugitive TV show where he's hiding in a cave somewhere
in Pennsylvania, and catches a passing freight led by D&RGW F units winding
through a deep canyon...

Tim O'Connor

I must admit that, while watching movies from the 1930s and 1940s with my
wife, I occasionally comment to her about how amazing it is to see a SP
Pacific hauling a passenger train into Chicago.

Regards,
wb

Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Steve's link took me, at least, to the cover of the book. There are photos
on the page facing 88, and a few pages later, in the appendix. Click
through a few pages from the front, and you get to the TofC, which has
hotlinks to get to later chapters in the book, so you don't have to page
through the entire thing.



I think this photo was taken FROM the Customs House, which was the tallest
building in Boston for years, until (I think) the Prudential building was
built in the back bay in the 60s.



Schuyler



I agree with Peter. The New Haven used car floats to directly trans-load
between freight cars and ships thus avoiding drayage. Here's more of the
story.
<http://tinyurl.com/7pgsygb>
The link takes you to page 89. Scroll back for more info.
The BPL sight can be a source of interesting freight car photos but one must
go deeper than a simple search.
Steve Solombrino

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Peter Ness"
<prness@...> wrote:

The New Haven Railroad had float docks and float operations in Boston
Harbor in the early 1900's located at the South Boston Freight Terminal.
Operations were suspended by about the 1930's. I'm not entirely familiar
with photos from this period, but I hazard a guess (ready to be corrected)
the view is looking out towards the harbor with the Customs House to the
rear of the photographer. Boston had many photogenic and impressive rail
operations to offer at one time; for those interested, there was a mighty
coal elevator operated by the B&A/NYC in East Boston and of course the B&M
and NH lift bridges from North and South Stations respectively.








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Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

mt19a <LarrynLynnHanlon@...>
 

Guys,

what a great photo!

Do my eyes deceive me or are the freight cars on those floats all leaning toward the center?

Thanks,

Larry Hanlon.
Bend, OR

--- In STMFC@..., "up4479" <up4479@...> wrote:

I agree with Peter. The New Haven used car floats to directly trans-load between freight cars and ships thus avoiding drayage. Here's more of the story.
<http://tinyurl.com/7pgsygb>
The link takes you to page 89. Scroll back for more info.
The BPL sight can be a source of interesting freight car photos but one must go deeper than a simple search.
Steve Solombrino

--- In STMFC@..., "Peter Ness" <prness@> wrote:

The New Haven Railroad had float docks and float operations in Boston Harbor in the early 1900's located at the South Boston Freight Terminal. Operations were suspended by about the 1930's. I'm not entirely familiar with photos from this period, but I hazard a guess (ready to be corrected) the view is looking out towards the harbor with the Customs House to the rear of the photographer. Boston had many photogenic and impressive rail operations to offer at one time; for those interested, there was a mighty coal elevator operated by the B&A/NYC in East Boston and of course the B&M and NH lift bridges from North and South Stations respectively.

Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

wskeay
 

The BRB&L was the Boston, Revere Beach & Lynn, a narrow ga. RR IIRC.
You recall correctly, Fred. This was fondly known by locals as the "Narrow Gauge". Pretty much a passenger only operation.

Bill Keay

Re: C of G Flat Car Saved

O Fenton Wells
 

That is really neat and thanks for sharing.
Fenton Wells

On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Todd Horton <toddchorton@...>wrote:

**


The 1925 Central of Georgia flat car was moved to Savannah Georgia on
Thursday Dec 15th. The long term plans are to restore the car for static
display inside the former C of G passernger shops at Savannah. For pictures
of the move see. http://www.cofg.org/ Todd Horton.

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--
Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
@srrfan


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FS Sunshine CB&Q XM-25

brianleppert@att.net
 

For sale: Sunshine Models #17.1, CB&Q, C&S, FW&D XM-25, -26 single sheathed boxcar kit.

There are some dimensional shortcomings with this kit, such as the sides lacking about 6" in vertical height.

Long out of production, for the serious Sunshine collector. I bought it seventeen years ago.

Asking $15.00, plus Priority Mail shipping cost. Contact me OFF-LIST at

brianleppert@...

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Bill,
 
The BRB&L was the Boston, Revere Beach & Lynn, a narrow ga. RR IIRC.
I can remember taking the ferry for 10 cents to cross the harbor in the early 1950's.
Wonder how many recall Federal Yard, running tangent to Commonwealth pier, and
the A street yards of the NH? Up to the 1970's there were about a dozen PRR M60b's
stored along the waterfront where the old car ferry slips were located. Thanks to whoever
posted this photo, some of it brought back some great memories !
 
Fred Freitas


________________________________
From: wskeay <wskeay@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:31 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor


 
This wonderful shot was taken in the area behind India Wharf, (now the site of the Boston Harbor Towers), looking easterly, with East Boston in the rear, and what is now Logan Airport in the right background, (then open water).

The B&A RR Docks at the time were in the area of the Cunard and Leyland piers, shown above the wheelhouse of the left-hand steamer, (under weigh).

The BRB&L Ferry slip is to the right of these, just about between the masts of the Steamer "HM Whitney".

The wharfs, from right to left foreground, are India Wharf, (Metropolitan Steamship building), Central Wharf, (now the location of the New England Aquarium), and Long Wharf.

About the only recognizable landmark still in existence, (other than the vague outline of the wharfs on the waterfront), is the stone "Custom House Block" warehouse on Long Wharf.

Boston has a rich history of landmaking, which has graphically altered it's landscape, (indeed most of the waterfront areas in this photo were on made land), and much of the fill to do this came from the area's various railroads.

Thanks for finding and sharing this treasure.

Bill Keay




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Re: new decal

jerryglow2
 

I failed to mention, most of the data came from or was verified by the folks in the RRHS. Obviously, they had a "horse in the race" but we all benefit from the resulting accuracy.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Gerald Glow <jerryglow@...> wrote:

Kadee did their PS2 for Rutland but they have no plans to rerun them in
the forseeable future so I did a set for one. It also gives you the
opportunity to do other numbered cars than Kadee produced.
See:http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/Rutland_LO.jpg

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals



Re: Roaring Rails

William Bryk <wmbryk@...>
 

I must admit that, while watching movies from the 1930s and 1940s with my
wife, I occasionally comment to her about how amazing it is to see a SP
Pacific hauling a passenger train into Chicago.

Regards,
wb

--
William Bryk
Attorney and Counsellor-at-Law
578 74th Street
Brooklyn, New York 11209-2614
Tel/Fax: (347) 497-5972