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Re: GN 14095 ex-PRR??

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks everyone for the abundant and information answers! I had
forgotten I'd bought a Sunshine X37B (44.4) years ago -- Now I have
a fun kitbash project in mind for it!

When it rains, it does pour! :-)

Tim "soaked to the skin" O'Connor

Can anyone help me and identify the origin of this GN box car?
It looks like ex-PRR to me but I can't place it -- like a double
door version of an X37?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150715641509

Tim O'Connor

new decal

jerryglow2
 

Kadee did their PS2 for Rutland but they have no plans to rerun them in
the forseeable future so I did a set for one. It also gives you the
opportunity to do other numbered cars than Kadee produced.
See:http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/Rutland_LO.jpg

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals

Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

coronadoscalemodels
 

Just Google "drayage" and you will find everything you need to know.

Stan Schwedler
Coronado Scale Models

For the un-informed can you define what "drayage" is please.
Thank you Rich Yoder

Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

Rich Yoder
 

For the un-informed can you define what "drayage" is please.
Thank you Rich Yoder

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
up4479
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:37 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

I agree with Peter. The New Haven used car floats to directly trans-load
between freight cars and ships thus avoiding drayage. Here's more of the
story.
<http://tinyurl.com/7pgsygb>
The link takes you to page 89. Scroll back for more info.
The BPL sight can be a source of interesting freight car photos but one must
go deeper than a simple search.
Steve Solombrino

--- In STMFC@..., "Peter Ness" <prness@...> wrote:

The New Haven Railroad had float docks and float operations in Boston
Harbor in the early 1900's located at the South Boston Freight Terminal.
Operations were suspended by about the 1930's. I'm not entirely familiar
with photos from this period, but I hazard a guess (ready to be corrected)
the view is looking out towards the harbor with the Customs House to the
rear of the photographer. Boston had many photogenic and impressive rail
operations to offer at one time; for those interested, there was a mighty
coal elevator operated by the B&A/NYC in East Boston and of course the B&M
and NH lift bridges from North and South Stations respectively.




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Re: GN 14095 ex-PRR??

Brian Carlson
 

Richard misspoke, the Northern Pacific bought the round roof cars, after the end of this list though.
Brian Carlson

--- On Sat, 12/17/11, Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...> wrote:


From: Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN 14095 ex-PRR??
To: STMFC@...
Date: Saturday, December 17, 2011, 8:21 AM






Yes, Tim, ex-PRR X37B, and they were built with that odd door
arrangement (some had Superior doors). Note the PRR riveted steel
roof (guaranteed to leak) and the short ladders with grabs below
them. GN bought a bunch of them second hand in the '60s. as well as
some DT&I round roof cars, because the double doors provided fork
lift access, which was becoming essential for cars in wood products
service.

Richard Hendrickson

Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

up4479
 

I agree with Peter. The New Haven used car floats to directly trans-load between freight cars and ships thus avoiding drayage. Here's more of the story.
<http://tinyurl.com/7pgsygb>
The link takes you to page 89. Scroll back for more info.
The BPL sight can be a source of interesting freight car photos but one must go deeper than a simple search.
Steve Solombrino

--- In STMFC@..., "Peter Ness" <prness@...> wrote:

The New Haven Railroad had float docks and float operations in Boston Harbor in the early 1900's located at the South Boston Freight Terminal. Operations were suspended by about the 1930's. I'm not entirely familiar with photos from this period, but I hazard a guess (ready to be corrected) the view is looking out towards the harbor with the Customs House to the rear of the photographer. Boston had many photogenic and impressive rail operations to offer at one time; for those interested, there was a mighty coal elevator operated by the B&A/NYC in East Boston and of course the B&M and NH lift bridges from North and South Stations respectively.

Re: GN 14095 ex-PRR??

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

The GN doesn't seem to have received any round roof cars. But other STMFC era built cars were aquired in 1963 (former EL cars in GN series 15000-15549) and in 1964 (former IHB 40' single door cars rebuilt into 50' with a 6' sliding main door and a 6' plug auxiliary door in the GN 17300-17999 series). These two series received the slant serif road name over vermilion paint scheme introduced before 1960 (1956 actually) to try and stay anywhere near the STMFC theme!

All three series are featured in GNRHS ref sheet no. 331.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN 14095 ex-PRR??



On Dec 16, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

> Can anyone help me and identify the origin of this GN box car?
> It looks like ex-PRR to me but I can't place it -- like a double
> door version of an X37?
>

Yes, Tim, ex-PRR X37B, and they were built with that odd door
arrangement (some had Superior doors). Note the PRR riveted steel
roof (guaranteed to leak) and the short ladders with grabs below
them. GN bought a bunch of them second hand in the '60s. as well as
some DT&I round roof cars, because the double doors provided fork
lift access, which was becoming essential for cars in wood products
service.

Richard Hendrickson

Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor - Oops!

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Peter Ness" <prness@...> wrote:

The New Haven Railroad had float docks and float operations in Boston Harbor in the early 1900's located at the South Boston Freight Terminal. Operations were suspended by about the 1930's. I'm not entirely familiar with photos from this period, but I hazard a guess (ready to be corrected) the view is looking out towards the harbor with the Customs House to the rear of the photographer. Boston had many photogenic and impressive rail operations to offer at one time; for those interested, there was a mighty coal elevator operated by the B&A/NYC in East Boston and of course the B&M and NH lift bridges from North and South Stations respectively.



Guss I've got to learn to scroll. When this photo opened the
BRB&L passenger ferry came right onto the screen and surprised me to the extent that the floats at the right when one scrolls were not ever seen. And could the H.M. Whitney next to them be a "Coaster" from Bath, Maine where so many such vessels were constructed in New England? Sylvan Scale Models "Laker" must be of about the same size for anyone desireing such a model. Looking at the cars on the floats it is noted that those with readable lettering all appear to be either B&M or MEC cars. But what is the purpose of the floor level platform between the two tracks on each float? I don;t recall ever having seen such a platform in photos of other car floats seen over the years. Could they have been used to transfer l.c.l. shipments between cars while the cars were on the floats??? And note the lack of lateral roof walks!

Has anyone ever seen so many four and five masted schooners in
one photo in their life?

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Peter Ness" <prness@...> wrote:

The New Haven Railroad had float docks and float operations in Boston Harbor in the early 1900's located at the South Boston Freight Terminal. Operations were suspended by about the 1930's. I'm not entirely familiar with photos from this period, but I hazard a guess (ready to be corrected) the view is looking out towards the harbor with the Customs House to the rear of the photographer. Boston had many photogenic and impressive rail operations to offer at one time; for those interested, there was a mighty coal elevator operated by the B&A/NYC in East Boston and of course the B&M and NH lift bridges from North and South Stations respectively.

I don't disagree with any of this but expect the ferry under consideration is NOT a car ferry but, rather, one of the Boston, Revere Beach and Lynn passenger ferries. This 3 ft. commuter line ran from a ferry terminal in East Boston to Lynn until abandoned in 1941, IIRC. The MBTA line to Logan Airport runs on the old right-of-way from the time it leaves the harbor tunnel in East Boston until it reaches the end. Can't imagine why it was not long ago extended the full length of the BRB&L r-o-w.

Happy Holidays, Don Valentine

Re: GN 14095 ex-PRR??

David Sieber
 

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor wrote: Can anyone help me and identify the origin of this GN box car? It looks like ex-PRR to me but I can't place it -- like a double door version of an X37?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150715641509

Tim, it looks to be a former PRR double-door X37B from the 1940 lot of 500 cars. The trucks are apparently replacements, since the early X37Bs were built with National Type B trucks. (It's not one of the 1000 X37Bs built in 1941; they had Superior 7-panel doors, and had trucks with the 2D-F8 sideframe and a spring package showing three springs to the front, so doubly not a match to the photo.) In addition to replacement trucks, the car in this photo also received a long side sill reinforcement.

To explain the GN paint and lettering, we'd have to look into the future past this list's cutoff. In the early '60s, several Pacific Northwest railroads had a shortage of boxcars suitable for finished lumber; the Hill roads turned to leasing refurbished/rebuilt double-door 40ft and 50ft boxcars (e.g., NP's ex-DT&I X31/X32 round-roof boxcars). In 1964, GN leased 500 former PRR X37B 40ft double-door boxcars from their subsidiary, the Glacier Park Co. (I'm sure it made sense to the accountants). GN 14000-14499 came originally from series within PRR 64400-67399. All received mineral red paint and the 72in two-color "Great Northern Railway" herald with side-facing goat on the right side over the dimensional date, but were not lettered with the "Great Northern" name. Scott Thompson's "Great Northern Equipment Color Pictorial Book One - Box Cars and Stock Cars" has photos of GN 14046, a 1941 X37B with a short sidesill reinforcement under the Superior doors; and GN 14440, a 1940 X37B with a long sidesill reinforcement and Youngstown Steel Doors, like the ebay photo. The Jan 65 ORER gives consistent 10ft5in IH and 15ft1in EXH for all 500 cars in the GN 14000-14499 series, so no X37A double-doors snuck in - they were 2in shorter than the X37B.

Hope this helps, Dave Sieber, Reno NV

Re: GN 14095 ex-PRR??

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 16, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Can anyone help me and identify the origin of this GN box car?
It looks like ex-PRR to me but I can't place it -- like a double
door version of an X37?
Yes, Tim, ex-PRR X37B, and they were built with that odd door
arrangement (some had Superior doors). Note the PRR riveted steel
roof (guaranteed to leak) and the short ladders with grabs below
them. GN bought a bunch of them second hand in the '60s. as well as
some DT&I round roof cars, because the double doors provided fork
lift access, which was becoming essential for cars in wood products
service.

Richard Hendrickson

Re: GN 14095 ex-PRR??

Dennis Williams
 

Tim.
  Yes it is a PRR box.  X37.
  Dennis Williams/Owner
www.resinbuilders4u.com


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From: Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor>
To: stmfc@...
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:09 PM
Subject: [STMFC] GN 14095 ex-PRR??



 


Can anyone help me and identify the origin of this GN box car?
It looks like ex-PRR to me but I can't place it -- like a double
door version of an X37?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150715641509

Tim O'Connor




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GN 14095 ex-PRR??

Tim O'Connor
 

Can anyone help me and identify the origin of this GN box car?
It looks like ex-PRR to me but I can't place it -- like a double
door version of an X37?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150715641509

Tim O'Connor

Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

Peter Ness
 

The New Haven Railroad had float docks and float operations in Boston Harbor in the early 1900's located at the South Boston Freight Terminal. Operations were suspended by about the 1930's. I'm not entirely familiar with photos from this period, but I hazard a guess (ready to be corrected) the view is looking out towards the harbor with the Customs House to the rear of the photographer. Boston had many photogenic and impressive rail operations to offer at one time; for those interested, there was a mighty coal elevator operated by the B&A/NYC in East Boston and of course the B&M and NH lift bridges from North and South Stations respectively.

Boston Public Library has a great (my opinion) on-line photostream (Flickr) for those interested in early operations and rail equipment of NYC/B&A, B&M and NH railroads.

I'd recommend these as some starting point points. Be sure to check out the aerials collection and use the available high resolution views where possible.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/collections/72157625067421777/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/collections/72157625067429763/

and some of my particular favorites to browse when I have the time...there are some wreck photos which show some decent underbody detail on ocassion...

http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=24029425@N06&q=fort%20point%20channel

http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=24029425@N06&q=south+boston+railroad&m=text

http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/sets/72157625033396759/with/5078817563/

Regards,
Peter Ness

Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

Tom Madden
 

What a terrific shot!  Look at the amount of traffic, including a small Cunard liner heading outbound. 
The panorama combines two 8x10 glass negatives, so you've got the same outbound steamship appearing twice. Or there were two identical ships outbound at the same time. The various hull details are identical, and the pose of the crewman in the open door in the side of the hull amidships is the same. Great job by whoever combined the two images.

Tom Madden

Union Pacific B-50-39 BL 4 pack for sale

Andy Carlson
 

Hi,
I have for sale a mint, still in factory shrink wrapping, Branchline Trains 4
pack of 40' single 6' door HO UP B-50-39 boxcars, built in 1947 with the as
delivered paint scheme. BL-T#1434. This is from the last run of kits BL-T made
of these, and came with metal wheelsets. All are differently numbered.

Also, 2 Mint BL-T Santa Fe HO 40' single 6' door Bx 44 boxcars. BL-T #1438.
Built in 1945 in as delivered scheme. One is "The Grand Canyon line"; the 2nd
one is "The Scout". These two cars are from BL's 2nd run.

List price is $100.00, less shipping. I am offering these 6 kits for $85.00 post
paid (with shipping Included). I will not sell them individually at this time.

If interested, contact me off-list at <midcentury@...> Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Re: What was a wheel stick used for?

Douglas Harding
 

The book with the cover photo is apparently still available in print
http://www.lindsaybks.com/bks11/rrshop/index.html



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Re: What was a wheel stick used for?

Douglas Harding
 

Jerry, yes a very sophisticated toolJ



Don, thanks for the link to the google book. Unfortunately it appears the
library rebound the book and the front cover photo is not included with the
google scan. And the photo of the wheel stick in use is not found in the
book, apparently only on the cover. The ebay sale has ended, but still
possible to save an image of the book cover.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Re: Roaring Rails

MDelvec952@...
 

I caught this film as well. The plot and story are typical of the time, as was the acting. That Ten Wheeler 2276 is similar to SP 2248 in service in Grapevine, Texas, today. The tank engine pulling the side-dumps on rickety track was terrific, as were the scenes showing the Santa Fe BX-0s. There were places were models were used in the wreck scenes.

What I always enjoy while viewing films of this era is that the context of life and railroading is real for that era (except for all of that make-up). This was filmed in 1924 when steam and that passenger consist was typical of the day, as were the freight cars. This story references World War I in about the same reference of memory as we would, say, the George "Dubya" presidency.

....Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thu, Dec 15, 2011 11:33 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Roaring Rails




The film was more melodrama than railroad. However, there were several AT&SF Bx-Os in evidence. Also steam shovel and dump cars. It appeared that the film was shot both on SP and Sante Fe trackage. The view of the drivers was of a much earlier loco than the long shots. Road names were painted out on the tenders.

The boy, Frankie Darro became a silent star billed as “Darro”. He appeared in a famous film, Wild Boys of the Road. He never grew and played jockeys on the take for a decade. He was inside Robbie the robot of Forbidden Planet fame but was fired for being drunk on the job. He appeared as late as the late-1950s in Have Gun Will Travel, his good looks decimated by drink. – Al Westerfield

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Re: Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor

Richard Glueck <richard.glueck@...>
 

What a terrific shot!  Look at the amount of traffic, including a small Cunard liner heading outbound. 

So who's going to model a 1/8th scale carry ferry operation?  This is amazing stuff.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention.



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From: S hed <shed999@...>
To: stmfc@...
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 10:01 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Freight Car Surprise in Boston Harbor


 


I was catching up on visiting my favorite train websites when I ran across this picture of Boston Harbor in 1906 (from Shorpys of course). http://www.shorpy.com/node/11916?size=_original I was very surprised to see car floats in Boston Harbor!!!! Wow!!! I had no idea about these car ferries and now I am wondering if anyone else has heard about this. Thanks.Steve Hedlund, Everett WA