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Re: True Line new "Fowler" pictures

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
"Did these cars come to the US much? For their huge numbers I
can't recall any photos of them south of the border in the 1940's
and later."

Data that I've tabulated from the Premo Collection of Rutland Shifting Lists
show 204 "Fowler"/"Dominion" cars of all variations out of 359 total CN
boxcars.  Based on this small sample size, the answer is "yes".


Ben Hom


Re: True Line new "Fowler" pictures

Michael Aufderheide
 

Tim,
 
This is hardly "much" but I do have CP 180528 with a load of rubber from Bloomington IN to Michigan City IN on 10/20/1948.  It is listed as 36' steel underframe 8' IH with a 5' door. I don't know its final destination, but most of the cars for Michigan City were either to Haskell & Barker, the Michigan Central or the South Shore.  In the same set of conductor's logs there are 6 other Canadian cars: (2)  CP 'miniboxs', (1) CN 40' steel underframe 9' IH with a 6' door [howe truss?], (2) CN 40' Postwar AAR and (1) CN '37 AAR (out of a total 750 cars logged).
 
Regards,
 
Mike Aufderheide 


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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:41 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: True Line new "Fowler" pictures


 
Peter

The gaps in the boards look worse (proportionally) on small cars
http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7168/6516165381_0ba04d2327_z.jpg

Did these cars come to the US much? For their huge numbers I
can't recall any photos of them south of the border in the 1940's
and later.

Tim O'Connor

Passing on a message I rec'd tonight....

"True Line has put up pictures of the Fowler boxcars. Looks like
they made some major improvements over the first run.

http://www.truelinetrains.ca/freight-cars/fowler-36-box-and-stock-cars "

My comment: I hope they finally do the CN "X" frame doors found on
most CN Fowler's in the fifties. Unfortunately all the bickering
modellers do probably has TLT gun-shy resulting in these most common
of CN stock cars not being done.

As for the new cars, TLT, they look pretty good although they do have
the all too common "too wide a gap" between boards.. Thanks to TLT
for the improvements in these cars from the previous runs.

Peter Bowers

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDN-frt-cars-n-ops/



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AAR Rules .. Loading .. Open Top Cars 1949

Mark Charles
 

Allan Cain,

Thank you for posting a section of the "AAR Rules Governing the Loading of Commodities On Open Top Cars 1947 revised 1949."

This is very valuable information. I've seen many 'guesses' on this topic but little that was authoritative.

Would it be possible for you to share additional sections from this document?

Mark Charles
Ann Arbor, Mich.


Re: BLI New York Central System Box Car Models

spsalso
 

I got a set of four of these cars, and was happy to note that they each have different re-weigh data. Mine, which are the pre-55 Roman lettering with 7-8 ends are EB 2-57, GBAY 3-57, AJ 5-52, and EB 9-53.



Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Door prize tickets at Cocoa Beach

ShenangoRS@...
 

Mike,

I am planning to attend but have not registered yet. I am driving from NW
PA on Tuesday. How do I register?
Thanks,

Mike Bradley
Sharpsville, PA

In a message dated 12/28/2011 12:52:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
brockm@... writes:




For those planning to attend The RPM Meet, Prototype Rails, at Cocoa Beach,

but have not yet registered, I should mention that we will be giving 3
door
prize tickets to those pre registered...prior to Jan 3...and only one to
those laz...uh...those that register at the door.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss






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Re: True Line new "Fowler" pictures

Don Burn
 

Tim,

The Ted Culotta's Essential Freight Car series had an article on these
with photos south of the border. Also, Ted's "Steam Era Freight Cars
Reference Manual, Volume One: Box & Automobile Cars" had photo's and
mentioned US roads that had them also.

Don Burn

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:42 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: True Line new "Fowler" pictures

Peter

The gaps in the boards look worse (proportionally) on small cars
http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7168/6516165381_0ba04d2327_z.jpg

Did these cars come to the US much? For their huge numbers I can't recall
any photos of them south of the border in the 1940's and later.

Tim O'Connor




Passing on a message I rec'd tonight....

"True Line has put up pictures of the Fowler boxcars. Looks like they
made some major improvements over the first run.

http://www.truelinetrains.ca/freight-cars/fowler-36-box-and-stock-cars "

My comment: I hope they finally do the CN "X" frame doors found on
most CN Fowler's in the fifties. Unfortunately all the bickering
modellers do probably has TLT gun-shy resulting in these most common of
CN stock cars not being done.

As for the new cars, TLT, they look pretty good although they do have
the all too common "too wide a gap" between boards.. Thanks to TLT
for the improvements in these cars from the previous runs.

Peter Bowers

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDN-frt-cars-n-ops/


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Re: True Line new "Fowler" pictures

Tim O'Connor
 

Peter

The gaps in the boards look worse (proportionally) on small cars
http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7168/6516165381_0ba04d2327_z.jpg

Did these cars come to the US much? For their huge numbers I
can't recall any photos of them south of the border in the 1940's
and later.

Tim O'Connor

Passing on a message I rec'd tonight....

"True Line has put up pictures of the Fowler boxcars. Looks like
they made some major improvements over the first run.

http://www.truelinetrains.ca/freight-cars/fowler-36-box-and-stock-cars "

My comment: I hope they finally do the CN "X" frame doors found on
most CN Fowler's in the fifties. Unfortunately all the bickering
modellers do probably has TLT gun-shy resulting in these most common
of CN stock cars not being done.

As for the new cars, TLT, they look pretty good although they do have
the all too common "too wide a gap" between boards.. Thanks to TLT
for the improvements in these cars from the previous runs.

Peter Bowers

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDN-frt-cars-n-ops/


[CDN-frt-cars-n-ops] True Line new "Fowler" pictures

PBowers
 

Passing on a message I rec'd tonight....

"True Line has put up pictures of the Fowler boxcars. Looks like
they made some major improvements over the first run.

http://www.truelinetrains.ca/freight-cars/fowler-36-box-and-stock-cars "

My comment: I hope they finally do the CN "X" frame doors found on
most CN Fowler's in the fifties. Unfortunately all the bickering
modellers do probably has TLT gun-shy resulting in these most common
of CN stock cars not being done.

As for the new cars, TLT, they look pretty good although they do have the all too common "too wide a gap" between boards.. Thanks to TLT for the improvements in these cars from the previous runs.

Peter Bowers

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CDN-frt-cars-n-ops/


Door prize tickets at Cocoa Beach

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

For those planning to attend The RPM Meet, Prototype Rails, at Cocoa Beach, but have not yet registered, I should mention that we will be giving 3 door prize tickets to those pre registered...prior to Jan 3...and only one to those laz...uh...those that register at the door.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss


Re: another movie

Scott Pitzer
 

Just heard a Henry Morgan radio show, late 1940s, where he explains the production has moved from NYC to Hollywood, because he's doing a movie... titled, "So This is New York."
Scott Pitzer

On Dec 27, 2011, at 9:13 PM, "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:

Someone on the NYC Transit Modelers list just posted a New York Times article regarding the trains that ran on 11th Avenue in Manhattan. After giving a brief history it gave a YouTube link to 1938's King of the Newsboys starring Lew Ayres and Helen Mack. The film recreates the line with Ayres prototypically riding a horse in front of the train to warn pedestrians. It must have been shot somewhere around Los Angeles; it's certainly not 11th street. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/realestate/the-railroad-tracks-that-turned-a-street-into-death-avenue.html?_r=2&emc=eta1 - Al Westerfield

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Re: another movie

ronald parisi
 

Definitely not NYC...there are telephone poles and above ground wires
everywhere (New York banned both after the Blizzard of 1888), the buildings
are 2 and three story (New York's were 4 and 5 story tenements), for the
most part 10th Avenue was paved with Belgian blocks and by the time
indicated there would have not been what appears to be a classic 0-6-0 - it
would have been a shrouded Shay or perhaps a tri-powered DES-3. The article
in general was full of inaccuracies also, i.e. That the Railroad tried to
use building the Highline (sic) to get a permanent franchise in the
City....the Railroad *had* what was called a perpetual franchise to run in
the streets of Manhattan for decades. Too, although the death statistics
may seem high it is well to remember that grade crossing accidents were a
major cause of death at the turn of the last century, I seem to recall that
it was around 20,000 plus.

Ron Parisi

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Al and Patricia Westerfield <
westerfield@...> wrote:

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Someone on the NYC Transit Modelers list just posted a New York Times
article regarding the trains that ran on 11th Avenue in Manhattan. After
giving a brief history it gave a YouTube link to 1938's King of the
Newsboys starring Lew Ayres and Helen Mack. The film recreates the line
with Ayres prototypically riding a horse in front of the train to warn
pedestrians. It must have been shot somewhere around Los Angeles; it's
certainly not 11th street.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/realestate/the-railroad-tracks-that-turned-a-street-into-death-avenue.html?_r=2&emc=eta1- Al Westerfield

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Re: another movie

Tim O'Connor
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PQv8FslPVw

along with quite a few other movies!

Someone on the NYC Transit Modelers list just posted a New York Times article regarding the trains that ran on 11th Avenue in Manhattan. After giving a brief history it gave a YouTube link to 1938's King of the Newsboys starring Lew Ayres and Helen Mack. The film recreates the line with Ayres prototypically riding a horse in front of the train to warn pedestrians. It must have been shot somewhere around Los Angeles; it's certainly not 11th street. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/realestate/the-railroad-tracks-that-turned-a-street-into-death-avenue.html?_r=2&emc=eta1 - Al Westerfield


Re: tractor loading

Douglas Harding
 

Tim, I get the digest version. I am just now reading Richards answer this
morning, but I posted my question yesterday after reading Charlie's response
in the digest that arrived yesterday afternoon, and which did not include
Richard's answer.



I thank Richard for addressing, and answering, my question. This group is
one part of my research sources, I also have the 1944 book of AAR loading
diagrams for open cars, so was pretty sure that no loading rules had been
changed. I mentioned to my friend that Guy Weber or Richard Hendrickson
would know for sure. So thanks Richard, and yes I can usually detect BS or
someone blowing smoke.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: tractor loading

Charles Hladik
 

OK Aaron, how did you paint/mask the silver rims?
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 12/28/2011 12:19:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
npin53@... writes:




I added two pictures of a set of the Sunshine tractor kits to the photo
section, in a file titled "Tractor loads". Built the kits around 1999, about
the time that they came out.

They were painted with "Farmall Red" paint that I bought at an implement
dealer.

Aaron


Re: BLI New York Central System Box Car Models

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 27, 2011, at 7:32 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Speaking of such cars, Jeff English once posted that NYC 131000-131999
were rebuilt in 1937 with AB brakes, lot 659-B. Is this car the
same as
the BLI model?

No, those cars were rebuilt as single door box cars from an earlier
series of 1-1/2 door cars with inverse corrugated ends and fishbelly
center sills, among other differences.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: tractor loading

npin53
 

I added two pictures of a set of the Sunshine tractor kits to the photo section, in a file titled "Tractor loads". Built the kits around 1999, about the time that they came out.

They were painted with "Farmall Red" paint that I bought at an implement dealer.

Aaron


another movie

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Someone on the NYC Transit Modelers list just posted a New York Times article regarding the trains that ran on 11th Avenue in Manhattan. After giving a brief history it gave a YouTube link to 1938's King of the Newsboys starring Lew Ayres and Helen Mack. The film recreates the line with Ayres prototypically riding a horse in front of the train to warn pedestrians. It must have been shot somewhere around Los Angeles; it's certainly not 11th street. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/25/realestate/the-railroad-tracks-that-turned-a-street-into-death-avenue.html?_r=2&emc=eta1 - Al Westerfield


Re: BLI New York Central System Box Car Models

pennsylvania1954
 

Mine arrived yesterday, and I am well pleased, as well. I recommend you all check your wheels again. I initially thought they were plastic, too, but I was fooled by the finish. They are indeed metal with a plastic insulator on one side of each wheelset. Also, when you change to a scale Kadee coupler, plan to change the box, too. Strangely, the original box opening and coupler shank are thinner than the Kadee shank.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: BLI New York Central System Box Car Models

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 27, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Bruce F. Smith wrote:

Richard,

What is the potential for backdating these cars to a WWII or pre-war
appearance? I would assume that they would need a new roof and running
boards.
Yes, Murphy steel roof with overhanging edges and no panels, wood
running boards, and KC air brakes. Also, herald backgrounds were
black until ca. 1942. Removing the panels from the existing roofs on
the models is possible but would not be easy (though perhaps easier
than removing and replacing them).

Richard Hendrickson


Re: BLI New York Central System Box Car Models

Bruce Smith
 

Richard,

What is the potential for backdating these cars to a WWII or pre-war
appearance? I would assume that they would need a new roof and running
boards.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> 12/27/11 6:52 PM >>>
Mine were just delivered via UPS this afternoon, and after looking
them over carefully, I can say that I am very well pleased with how
they turned out. In addition to the NYC cars in post-WW-II form,with
Murphy rectangular panel roofs and steel grid running boards, they
are also offered (correctly) with Boston & Albany and Peoria &
Eastern lettering. The car bodies are accurate and well detailed,
with both corrugated and Dreadnaught ends well represented, and the
problems with running boards, doors, etc. that were discussed last
year on this list have been corrected, except that the lateral
running boards still stand too high and leave the outer running board
supports stranded in mid-air - a problem that's easily solved. Free-
standing grab irons and steel grid running boards are delicate and
close to scale, as are the sill steps. Air brake equipment is well
represented, but the brake rods slant upward at their outer end well
short of any problem of interference with the trucks and wheels;
again, this is easily corrected. I'll change out both the wheelsets
(replacing code 110 plastic with code 88 metal) and the couplers
(Kadee scale couplers for plastic #5 clones), but YMMV. These models
have been a long time in coming, but are definitely worth the wait.
Built in numbers almost as large as the Pennsy X29s, they went
everywhere on the North American rail system and most of them lasted
through the '50s and into the '60s before being retired. Most of us
will want several.

Richard Hendrickson







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