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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

Bruce Smith
 

Eric,

Don't interpret the pre WWII percentage to equal an immediate post WWII
percentage. In preparartion for WWII there was a rapid conversion of
many cars in 1940 and 1940. In addition, the heavy tonnage and long
trains of the war resulted in a number of wrecks directly atributed to
too high a percentage of K brakes in the trains, thus there was a push
to convert even more. By 1944 the percentage was down to 50% or less,
iirc. That said, yes, some of these cars likely still had their K
brakes.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

"Eric" <eric@hansmanns.org> 01/02/12 8:15 AM >>>
In addition to the load, I wonder when these USRA mill gons were
equipped with AB brake systems. A recent comment here noting AB brake
systems on less than 25% of the 1940 freight car fleet had me wondering
about how quickly the mill gons would be upgraded. Hoppers tended to be
rebuilt more frequently and many owners of the composite USRA gons
rebuilt with steel sides through the 1930s.

Wouldn't these USRA mill gondolas be candidates for retaining K brake
systems through WWII?

Eric


Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

Eric Hansmann
 

In addition to the load, I wonder when these USRA mill gons were equipped with AB brake systems. A recent comment here noting AB brake systems on less than 25% of the 1940 freight car fleet had me wondering about how quickly the mill gons would be upgraded. Hoppers tended to be rebuilt more frequently and many owners of the composite USRA gons rebuilt with steel sides through the 1930s.

Wouldn't these USRA mill gondolas be candidates for retaining K brake systems through WWII?

Eric


Eric Hansmann
New Paltz, NY

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, richtownsend@... wrote:

I have a Walthers USRA gondola painted and lettered for the Reading RR. I'm trying to come up with a suitable and interesting load for it. My research on Reading, PA disclosed that the city is or was known for anthracite coal and for pretzels. I don't like the idea of a coal load, and while I am confident I could fashion HO scale pretzels from thin wire, I don't think a load of pretzels would be very realistic. So I am asking the collective brain of this list for suggestions on what to load in this car. Anyone?


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Simplex Bolsters

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Todd Horton <toddchorton@...> wrote:

Richard, Where was the Simplex manufacturing plant located?  For what it's worth the 1925 C of G flat car that was recently saved had Simplex bolsters on it.  Todd Horton
Google is a wonderful thing:

http://books.google.com/books?id=qgVLAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA244&lpg=PA244&dq=simplex+bolster&source=bl&ots=zZofcRzQii&sig=0jTtRG3lH1OYI7qLM2NdUnKDsQc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oYYBT8nIAeew2wXQ_YCaCw&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=simplex%20bolster&f=false

Although the Chicago reference is likely just the sales office. Note from the text it sounds like this was a mature product even in 1901.

Drawing:

http://books.google.com/books?id=o-06AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=simplex+bolster&source=bl&ots=o12LfJGzSg&sig=c9NER414V9Pk9BJMSUJLxZ0sSYA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oYYBT8nIAeew2wXQ_YCaCw&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=simplex%20bolster&f=false

HO scale model:

http://www.truelinetrains.ca/paint-accessories

Yeah, it looks like the entire bolster is set too high in this truck. Maybe the TLT underframe has undersized center sills; I recall the sills on these early steel cars were 15" channels, 3" larger than the 12" that later became the defacto standard.

Dennis


ADMIN:Resin Sale: Moderate Jail is not nice

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Guys. If this chatter regarding the resin sale...ALL of which should be OFF GROUP...continues, the new jail cell will be opened for all contributors tomorrow morning. Let this be a warning. Moderate Jail is not nice. The food [ food? ] is terrible and you can't speak. Read that, you CANNOT post a message on the STMFC without approval AND the STMFC approval system will be down during Prototype Rails this coming Thursday through Sunday. Take heed.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Happy New Year's resin sale!

James L. Jeffery
 

Sorry, do not see any attachments.



Jim Jeffery

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From: "Ray Breyer" <rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 8:11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!

It's attached Jim!

 
Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!
 


Please send list of resin kits.

Thank you.

Jim Jeffery



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From: "Ray Breyer" <rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 6:48:44 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!

Hi Scott,


No message was attached to your reply, but I get the idea: the list is attached!

 
Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

(don't feel bad; that sort of thing happens with my  Droid II all the time!)


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 From: Scott Seders <sseders@comcast.net>
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!
 
On Jan 1, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "rtbsvrr69" <rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com> wrote:

Evening everyone,

To kick off the New Year, I've got 33 resin "will never get to them" kits for sale. 16 Sunshine, 12 F&C, 4 Westerfields, 1 Speedwich.

If interested, please email me OFF LIST at rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com

Thanks, and have a great 2012!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

Clark Propst
 

Not many RDG USRA gons running around the Upper Midwest, but here's one.

RDG 7321 6950-7449 GB steel billets

Clark Propst


Re: Happy New Year's resin sale!

Ray Breyer
 

It's attached Jim!

 
Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


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From: "jimj2100@comcast.net" <jimj2100@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!



Please send list of resin kits.

Thank you.

Jim Jeffery



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From: "Ray Breyer" <rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 6:48:44 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!

Hi Scott,


No message was attached to your reply, but I get the idea: the list is attached!

 
Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

(don't feel bad; that sort of thing happens with my  Droid II all the time!)


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 From: Scott Seders <sseders@comcast.net>
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!
 
On Jan 1, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "rtbsvrr69" <rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com> wrote:

Evening everyone,

To kick off the New Year, I've got 33 resin "will never get to them" kits for sale. 16 Sunshine, 12 F&C, 4 Westerfields, 1 Speedwich.

If interested, please email me OFF LIST at rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com

Thanks, and have a great 2012!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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Re: Happy New Year's resin sale!

Benjamin Hom
 

Can you guys take your business off-list?  I don't need your e-mails cloggin up
my inbox.


Ben Hom




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From: "jimj2100@comcast.net" <jimj2100@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, January 1, 2012 10:03:09 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!

 


Please send list of resin kits.

Thank you.

Jim Jeffery

----- Original Message -----

From: "Ray Breyer" <rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 6:48:44 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!

Hi Scott,

No message was attached to your reply, but I get the idea: the list is attached!


 
Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

(don't feel bad; that sort of thing happens with my  Droid II all the time!)

________________________________
 From: Scott Seders <sseders@comcast.net>
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!
 
On Jan 1, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "rtbsvrr69" <rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com> wrote:

Evening everyone,

To kick off the New Year, I've got 33 resin "will never get to them" kits for
sale. 16 Sunshine, 12 F&C, 4 Westerfields, 1 Speedwich.


If interested, please email me OFF LIST at rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com

Thanks, and have a great 2012!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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Re: Happy New Year's resin sale!

James L. Jeffery
 

Please send list of resin kits.

Thank you.

Jim Jeffery

----- Original Message -----


From: "Ray Breyer" <rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 6:48:44 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!

Hi Scott,


No message was attached to your reply, but I get the idea: the list is attached!

 
Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

(don't feel bad; that sort of thing happens with my  Droid II all the time!)


________________________________
 From: Scott Seders <sseders@comcast.net>
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!
 
On Jan 1, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "rtbsvrr69" <rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com> wrote:

Evening everyone,

To kick off the New Year, I've got 33 resin "will never get to them" kits for sale. 16 Sunshine, 12 F&C, 4 Westerfields, 1 Speedwich.

If interested, please email me OFF LIST at rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com

Thanks, and have a great 2012!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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Re: what should have been off list

Ray Breyer
 

Sorry for wasting bandwidth everyone. I'll be more careful!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

Tom Houle <thoule@...>
 

Rich,
I'm not sure if the Reading ever shipped containers that far.
Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richtownsend@netscape.net
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 5:12 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reading USRA Gondola Load

Tom,


Not a bad idea. But I suspect those containers didn't wander too far from the home rails. Would that be right? My model railroad is set in Colorado, so the load had to be something that would be transported a long distance.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon



-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Houle <thoule@wi.rr.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 9:29 am
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Reading USRA Gondola Load





Rich,
I have a photo of Reading USRA gon 23019 loaded with Reading steel containers. I can send it you and anyone else that is interested. I'm thinking Walthers at one time or another sold these containers for use in their USRA gons.
Tom Houle

On Jan 1, 2012, at 11:34 AM, richtownsend@netscape.net wrote:

I have a Walthers USRA gondola painted and lettered for the Reading
RR. I'm trying to come up with a suitable and interesting load for it.
My research on Reading, PA disclosed that the city is or was known for
anthracite coal and for pretzels. I don't like the idea of a coal
load, and while I am confident I could fashion HO scale pretzels from
thin wire, I don't think a load of pretzels would be very realistic.
So I am asking the collective brain of this list for suggestions on
what to load in this car. Anyone?
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Re: Happy New Year's resin sale!

Ray Breyer
 

Hi Scott,


No message was attached to your reply, but I get the idea: the list is attached!

 
Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

(don't feel bad; that sort of thing happens with my  Droid II all the time!)


________________________________
From: Scott Seders <sseders@comcast.net>
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Happy New Year's resin sale!
On Jan 1, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "rtbsvrr69" <rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com> wrote:

Evening everyone,

To kick off the New Year, I've got 33 resin "will never get to them" kits for sale. 16 Sunshine, 12 F&C, 4 Westerfields, 1 Speedwich.

If interested, please email me OFF LIST at rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com

Thanks, and have a great 2012!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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Re: Happy New Year's resin sale!

Scott Seders
 

On Jan 1, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "rtbsvrr69" <rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com> wrote:

Evening everyone,

To kick off the New Year, I've got 33 resin "will never get to them" kits for sale. 16 Sunshine, 12 F&C, 4 Westerfields, 1 Speedwich.

If interested, please email me OFF LIST at rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com

Thanks, and have a great 2012!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL



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NYCentral Modeler 1st Quarter 2012

Noel Widdifield <NYCBigFour@...>
 

The third issue of the NYCentral Modeler has been posted on the NYCSHS website http://www.nycshs.org today. This issue has articles from several new writers and a couple authors who have contributed to the Modeler in previous issues. All of the articles feature topics about the New York Central System. This issue includes the final half of the interview with Tony Koester, editor of Kalmbach's annual Model Railroad Planning and Contributing Editor to Model Railroader.

We are pleased to feature articles by several authors bringing you topics including: "New York Central's West Side Freight Line" with modules by Ron Pasisi; Jim Six's "Recreating the New York Central Michigan Division Circa 1955"; another NYC tower article by Larry Faulkner; "Kitbashing HO NYC Steam Locomotives" by Tom Bailey; and all of the regular features of the magazine. This 61-page edition features many photos and the biographies of all of the authors. You will even see photos of some of our member's layouts, important information about the Society, and more details on the 2012 NYCSHS Convention.

The issue includes the regular feature on NYCS models coming out currently and in the near future. Jim Benedict, Associate Editor, who also writes a similar feature in the NYCSHS Central Headlight, writes this section.

This edition promises to be a truly exciting third issue for what we hope to be a regular benefit to those of you who model the New York Central Railroad. Even if your layout is not a NYCS one, you will find items of interest for your own modeling.

Our readers continue to provide us with very positive feedback on each issue. We believe that this issue continues the quality standard set by past issues. We hope to continue to receive positive feedback with this edition and also ask that you continue to send us interesting and outstanding articles in the future.

This e-zine is for members of the NYCSHS and non-members who model in all scales. Check it out today and let us know what you think.

Have a Happy New Year from all of us at the NYCSHS.

Thanks, Noel
Noel F. Widdifield
NYCSHS, Director
NYCentral Modeler, Editor


Happy New Year's resin sale!

Ray Breyer
 

Evening everyone,

To kick off the New Year, I've got 33 resin "will never get to them" kits for sale. 16 Sunshine, 12 F&C, 4 Westerfields, 1 Speedwich.

If interested, please email me OFF LIST at rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com

Thanks, and have a great 2012!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

SUVCWORR@...
 

Mt Vernon shops (http://www.mountvernonshops.com/) has containers for the Reading in resin. They are available in packs of 10 with decals.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@charter.net>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reading USRA Gondola Load


I offered container carloads for the Reading USRA gon. The new owner of
Westerfield should be offering them in the future. – Al Westerfield

From: richtownsend@netscape.net
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 5:11 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reading USRA Gondola Load


Tom,

Not a bad idea. But I suspect those containers didn't wander too far from the
home rails. Would that be right? My model railroad is set in Colorado, so the
load had to be something that would be transported a long distance.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

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From: Tom Houle <mailto:thoule%40wi.rr.com>
To: STMFC <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 9:29 am
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Reading USRA Gondola Load

Rich,
I have a photo of Reading USRA gon 23019 loaded with Reading steel containers. I
can send it you and anyone else that is interested. I'm thinking Walthers at one
time or another sold these containers for use in their USRA gons.
Tom Houle

On Jan 1, 2012, at 11:34 AM, mailto:richtownsend%40netscape.net wrote:

I have a Walthers USRA gondola painted and lettered for the Reading
RR. I'm trying to come up with a suitable and interesting load for it.
My research on Reading, PA disclosed that the city is or was known for
anthracite coal and for pretzels. I don't like the idea of a coal
load, and while I am confident I could fashion HO scale pretzels from
thin wire, I don't think a load of pretzels would be very realistic.
So I am asking the collective brain of this list for suggestions on
what to load in this car. Anyone?
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MTH lettering removal

Ron Morse
 

I have seen reference to the Polly Scale Easy Lift Off in the past but has anyone used it to remove lettering on MTH cars? This lettering is quite heavy and thick. If not any ideas on doing so. And yes I did look in the archives.
Thanks
Ron Morse
NYC/C&O/PM O scale in Springfield,MO


Re: Simplex Bolsters

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Todd Horton wrote:
Richard, Where was the Simplex manufacturing plant located? For what it's worth the 1925 C of G flat car that was recently saved had Simplex bolsters on it.
As the Simplex bolster was an ASF product, the question would where was the ASF plant. IIRC it was in St. Louis.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Simplex Bolsters

Todd Horton
 

Richard, Where was the Simplex manufacturing plant located?  For what it's worth the 1925 C of G flat car that was recently saved had Simplex bolsters on it.   Todd Horton


From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Simplex Bolsters


 
On Jan 1, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Jon Miller wrote:

On 1 Jan 2012 at 4:05, soolinehistory wrote:

Left unsaid in my comments of a few days ago was my reason for
objection to calling something a
"Simplex truck." The Simplex bolsters were sold for use with many
different trucks, and indeed, were
somewhat dated by the time cast steel trucks became common
While I can't disagree with this I looked at a Red
Ball/Cape Line catalog and they have a Simplex High
Speed truck. Very strange looking and I don't think
I've ever seen a picture of one in use. Any comments
on this truck?
A completely different animal, Jon. The Simplex cast steel bolster
was introduced around the turn of the 20th century by the Simplex
Railway Appliance Co., which had disappeared by the early 1920s. The
Simplex high speed truck was an ASF design, shown in the 1937 CBCyc,
and though it never caught on in a big way, PFE and others applied
some of them to as an experiment. Apparently the truck worked okay
but wasn't a sufficient improvement over conventional trucks to
justify the added expense.

Richard Hendrickson

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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

Todd Horton
 

This topic brings up a couple of points on my mind lately.
 
On topic,  Wasn't there a steel mill located outside of Pottsville Pa?  I recall seeing photos of PRR cars loaded with steel products from this plant. Did the Reading serve here as well? I know there were a big player in this area. If anyone knows of photos of the plant or have information about shipments leaving here I would be interested to see them. I assume both roads had access to the plant.
 
Slightly off topic but I think it's relevant and it was discussed here with in the past week was the loading of tractors on flat cars. This had me thinking about believable loads for flats and open gons. Since tractors were recently discussed I'll use that as an example. What roads flat cars would you expect a load of tractors on?  The C of G is my primary focus but I wouldn't expect to see a load of John Deere's on one of their flats.  Not saying that this didn't happen but I would be surprised to see it. There's an exception to any rule but I'm thinking about what general commodities you would expect to see on say XYZ roads car. I wouldn't expect to see a load a pulp wood in a Reading gon but I suppose it could have happened.  Boxcars and covered hoppers aren't really a consideration here since most of the time you can't tell what's loaded in them but that's another topic for later discussion. If this has been discussed in the past then I
apologize for bringing it back up.   Todd Horton
 
 
 

From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reading USRA Gondola Load


 
On Jan 1, 2012, at 11:34 AM, richtownsend@netscape.net wrote:

I have a Walthers USRA gondola painted and lettered for the Reading
RR. I'm trying to come up with a suitable and interesting load for
it. My research on Reading, PA disclosed that the city is or was
known for anthracite coal and for pretzels. I don't like the idea
of a coal load, and while I am confident I could fashion HO scale
pretzels from thin wire, I don't think a load of pretzels would be
very realistic. So I am asking the collective brain of this list
for suggestions on what to load in this car. Anyone?
Richard, I agree with Bruce; steel products would be a common load in
Reading mill gons. However, I'm attaching a photo which shows a
ductwork load that would certainly be interesting and different. If
you decide to model it, be sure to let us see photos of the finished
product. Note the Taylor trucks on the gon. Photo by Col. Chet
McCoid from Bob's Photo Service, Providence, RI 12/57.

All the best in the new year,

Richard Hendrickson



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