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Newbie
I'm putting together an H0 SAL DCC layout here in rural Philippines. I'm
calling it Seaboard (1969). Have finished the benchwork, next am fabricating lighting valences. I'll want to run steam hauled freight trains. The trains would be a `run-through' on FEC track south of Miami and out to Key West. In this `what-if' scenario the FEC's Overseas Extension was not destroyed in the 1935 hurricane; US/Cuba government officials exchange visits between Washington & Havana, discussing Florida Straits oil leases; resort hotels were developed by SAL on the Keys; SAL had running rights. Freight cars transport via car ferry off-shore assembled IBM tabulators; bagged coffee beans; chilled fruit, sugar cane ethanol; and flat cars loaded with agricultural (sugar-cane) machinery or narrow gauge rolling stock. The freight car mix, steam hauled, would be early 1960s, but with many 1950s 40' steam era cars, appropriate for the overseas shippers. My interests are 1950s mechanical reefers; 1950s TOFC; 1950s flat cars. I'll read the archives first. Phil Clark, Catarman, Philippines.
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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load
Richard Hendrickson
On Jan 2, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Scott Seders wrote:
What was it about K brakes that was causing wrecks?Scott, AB brakes were more responsive than K brakes, so they set up faster. No problem if all the brakes were K or all were AB, but between ca.1933, when AB brakes were mandated on all new cars (and often applied to older cars when extensively rebuilt) and 1953, when K brakes were outlawed in interchange, a typical train would have some K brakes and some AB brakes (more K brakes in the '30a, more AB in the postwar period). When the engineer set the air, the brakes on the AB equipped cars set faster than those on the K equipped cars and, depending on where they were in the train, coupler slack would either run in or out. As a retired Cajon Pass "hill engineer" once told me, "going down the 3% with a steam locomotive, even with the retainers set up, you had to set a lot of air, and then you'd look back and watch the slack run in and out like a yo-yo as the AB brakes set first and then the K brakes." During WW II, all of the major railroad downgrades were littered with broken knuckles, drawbars, etc. as a result, and sometimes the results were even more serious. Handling the air on downhill mountain grades was an art form, one that flatland engineers never had to learn, and many a train went into the ditch behind an engineer who hadn't mastered the art. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load
Scott Seders
What was it about K brakes that was causing wrecks?
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Scott Seders Salisbury, MD
Bruce Smith wrote Eric,
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WTB: Book - The Great Yellow Fleet
Joseph Melhorn
Hi all,
Mike Brock gave me permission to post this. I am looking for the book - The Great Yellow Fleet by John H. White. If you have a copy you would like to sell, please contact me "OFF-LIST" with condition, price and shipping to: Citrus Heights, CA 95621-5427 Do NOT send a reply to the group! The moderator is watching, be forewarned! J Thanks, Joe Melhorn toyman@sbcglobal.net
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Re: Help w/Cocoa Beach Prentation
Bill Welch
You ARE the Man Fenton. Thank you!
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--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
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Re: Help w/Cocoa Beach Prentation
According to my atlas, Camden and Elizabeth City were both served by the
old NS. Fenton On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: ** -- Fenton Wells 3047 Creek Run Sanford NC 27332 919-499-5545 srrfan1401@gmail.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Help w/Cocoa Beach Prentation
Bill Welch
I am putting the finishing touches on my presentation for The Beach
and I am wondering if anyone knows which railroad(s) served Camden and Elizabeth City, North Carolina? I think the Norfolk Southern served Elizabeth City but would appreciate confirmation. No clue about Camden. Thank you! Bill Welch 2225 Nursery Road; #20-104 Clearwater, FL 33764-7622 727.470.9930 fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com
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RDG USRA gons
ed_mines
I recall a couple of years ago one of the magazines (RMJ?) had an article on a steel mill serviced by RDG for 6 months and then serviced by LV for 6 months (maybe this was Bethelehem steel in Bethlehem., PA).
There was a picture showing a string of many, many identical unloaded RDG USRA gons. Look at the wikipedia article on Bethlem steel - 1930s & '40s.. It supplied steel to the Golden Gate Bridge .....Certainly some eastern railroad gons would be sent to California. Ed Mines
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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load
Eric Hansmann
Great images Rich! Thank you for pointing these out.
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Interesting that the first image is of a P&LE gondola that I assume is a USRA mill gon clone as it does not have a flat steel drop end. It is also equipped with a KC brake system and not a KD system. At least one of the images of in-service Reading gondolas sports a KC brake system, but reweigh and repack dates are not clear on the image of Reading 21445. Bruce, thanks for the detail on the brake system upgrades through WWII. In some cases, a KD or KC brake system is visible on a freight car and the fact that many older cars had their K systems through the war years is most interesting. My modeling focus is centered on late 1926 but I do have a few freight cars detailed for a 1948 time period. I often field questions about the different brake systems on my models and can now preface with information that a certain percentage of older freight cars may have retained their earlier brake systems. For those modeling the late 1930s or the WWII years, this may be another detail layer to consider. I hope all attending Cocoa Beach have a great time. I'll see several of you at the upcoming RPM-Valley Forge meet! Eric Eric Hansmann New Paltz, NY
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Yoder" <oscale48@...> wrote:
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Re: Scalpel Blades/Handles Suppliers and Best Choices
ed_mines
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:
I Googled "#15 or #12C scalpel blade" and found several sources. Does anyone have a favorite source? Also what other handle sizes and blade types have people found helpful?Years ago I had an employer who shared space with a used medical equipment company. They would buy out hospitals that closed, offices from doctors retiring ..... They would refurbish and sell all the equipment but they'd take in a lot of medical supplies including scappel blades. These medical scappel blades are considerably sharper than exacto blades and are also identified by the same numbers. They'd usually sell these medical supplies to veterinarians but I think they'd sell anything to anbody if they knew where it was. They had so much of these supplies that they kept them in trailers. sometimes they'd let me go through the trailers to look for specific items. Ed Mines
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Cocoa Beach
Because of a change in circumstance, I am going to be able to attend the Cocoa Beach meet after all. Does any one attending need someone to share a room.Please contact me off list if interested.
Dan Smith
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Re: Transportation Options Orlando to Coco Beach
Wow, that's amazingly inexpensive! Last time I took a taxi
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from O'Hare to Naperville (maybe 1/4 the distance from Orlando to Cocoa Beach) I think it was $25. Thanks for the link. Tim O'Connor
At 1/2/2012 01:13 PM Monday, you wrote:
Ron.... try Royal Shuttle.... www.royalcocoashuttle.com
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Re: Transportation Options Orlando to Coco Beach
Thomas Warne <warne@...>
Ron.... try Royal Shuttle.... www.royalcocoashuttle.com
Tom Warne p.s. Enjoy the show! ________________________________ From: dphobbies <dphobbies@earthlink.net> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, January 2, 2012 10:02:08 AM Subject: [STMFC] Transportation Options Orlando to Coco Beach Does anyone know of any non-rental car options to get to Prototype Rails from the Orlando airport to Coco Beach. My partner and I are coming in Wed eve at 7:40 on SWA and are looking for options. Anyone else in the same boat, I am happy to share a limo or cab. Ron Sebastian Des Plaines
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Re: Milling in Transit was Stock car reloading
dmamfahr <mamfahr@...>
Grain milling in transit did NOT require reshipment in the same car. It did require the new waybill to reference to original way bill(s) for the continuing load. Several inbound waybills could be used for the outbound load. They were looking a quantity at that point. Hello all, This was very much the case for transit shipments - inbound shipments DID NOT leave transit points in the same cars that they'd arrived in, in the vast majority of cases. For many products, especially grain, the idea that you could load the inbound product into the same car leaving the transit (intermediate) point was not only impractical, it bordered on impossible. Inbound grain was put into silos or storage sheds and mixed with everyone else's grain. Outbound transit shipments were reconciled with inbound shipments based upon weight only. X thousand pounds in = X thousand pounds out (plus allowable losses). In most cases, tariffs allowed for storage/processing time at transit points of up to 12 months, far beyond the length of time you'd want to have a car sitting around. For modeling purposes, the transit issue is essentially meaningless. It was just an (often complex) accounting transaction on the prototype RRs that resulted in lower through rates for shippers. It has little/no impact upon physical operation (equipment movement, etc) on the typical model RR, the way I see it. To model it, you'd just have individual cars arriving at transit points with products; individual cars leaving transit points with products, with the two movements essentially independent of each other. The process of moving equipment in/out of any particular customer's facility is essentially the same with or without the existence of transit privileges. Take care, Mark Amfahr
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Transportation Options Orlando to Coco Beach
dphobbies
Does anyone know of any non-rental car options to get to Prototype Rails from the Orlando airport to Coco Beach. My partner and I are coming in Wed eve at 7:40 on SWA and are looking for options. Anyone else in the same boat, I am happy to share a limo or cab.
Ron Sebastian Des Plaines
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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load
Tom Houle <thoule@...>
Hey, seeing Rich Yoder's comments on his beautiful brass O scale USRA mill
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gon offering, reminded me; Rails Unlimited offers this car in a resin O scale kit: a one-piece body, separate under frame, and ends that can be left up or down. Pennsy decals are available, too. Tom Houle
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Yoder Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 10:18 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load To all interested, I also produced this model in "O" Scale a few years ago. There are several good photos on my web site of Reading cars. http://www.richyodermodels.com/rym_fc_rdg_cont_gon.htm Rich Yoder -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Houle Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 10:29 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load To all interested in the USRA 70-ton 46' mill gons operated by the Reading, Pennsy, NYC, B & O, and a few other eastern roads, I recommend the RMC multi-page article "USRA Steel Mill Gondolas" by Eric Neubauer in the June, 2000 issue. It includes photos, Reading HO drawings, and history of this car. Westerfield and Walthers offered this car. Tom Houle -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:15 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load In addition to the load, I wonder when these USRA mill gons were equipped with AB brake systems. A recent comment here noting AB brake systems on less than 25% of the 1940 freight car fleet had me wondering about how quickly the mill gons would be upgraded. Hoppers tended to be rebuilt more frequently and many owners of the composite USRA gons rebuilt with steel sides through the 1930s. Wouldn't these USRA mill gondolas be candidates for retaining K brake systems through WWII? Eric Eric Hansmann New Paltz, NY --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, richtownsend@... wrote: I'm trying to come up with a suitable and interesting load for it. My research on Reading, PA disclosed that the city is or was known for anthracite coal and for pretzels. I don't like the idea of a coal load, and while I am confident I could fashion HO scale pretzels from thin wire, I don't think a load of pretzels would be very realistic. So I am asking the collective brain of this list for suggestions on what to load in this car. Anyone?
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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load
To all interested,
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I also produced this model in "O" Scale a few years ago. There are several good photos on my web site of Reading cars. http://www.richyodermodels.com/rym_fc_rdg_cont_gon.htm Rich Yoder
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Houle Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 10:29 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load To all interested in the USRA 70-ton 46' mill gons operated by the Reading, Pennsy, NYC, B & O, and a few other eastern roads, I recommend the RMC multi-page article "USRA Steel Mill Gondolas" by Eric Neubauer in the June, 2000 issue. It includes photos, Reading HO drawings, and history of this car. Westerfield and Walthers offered this car. Tom Houle -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:15 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load In addition to the load, I wonder when these USRA mill gons were equipped with AB brake systems. A recent comment here noting AB brake systems on less than 25% of the 1940 freight car fleet had me wondering about how quickly the mill gons would be upgraded. Hoppers tended to be rebuilt more frequently and many owners of the composite USRA gons rebuilt with steel sides through the 1930s. Wouldn't these USRA mill gondolas be candidates for retaining K brake systems through WWII? Eric Eric Hansmann New Paltz, NY --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, richtownsend@... wrote: I'm trying to come up with a suitable and interesting load for it. My research on Reading, PA disclosed that the city is or was known for anthracite coal and for pretzels. I don't like the idea of a coal load, and while I am confident I could fashion HO scale pretzels from thin wire, I don't think a load of pretzels would be very realistic. So I am asking the collective brain of this list for suggestions on what to load in this car. Anyone?
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Louisville & Nashville USRA Mill gondolas
Bill Welch
For those "Ya'll Modelers" I have a Mt. Vernon Builders photo and an
in-service photo from a group of L&N gondolas that with the exception of an early Dreadnaught end are almost certainly copies of the USRA Mill gons. No less an expert on this design than Randy Anderson educated me on this and gave me the in-service photo. I was never able to convince Al W. to offer this version but I will try with the new proprietor. Bill Welch 2225 Nursery Road; #20-104 Clearwater, FL 33764-7622 727.470.9930 fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com
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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load
Larry Sexton
In addition to the RMC article Tom Houle references, the Richard Hendrickson
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article in the July 2002 Rail Model Journal, and the discussions in the Steam Era Freight Cars Reviews are both helpful when working on the 46' USRA gons. Larry Sexton From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Houle Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 10:29 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load To all interested in the USRA 70-ton 46' mill gons operated by the Reading, Pennsy, NYC, B & O, and a few other eastern roads, I recommend the RMC multi-page article "USRA Steel Mill Gondolas" by Eric Neubauer in the June, 2000 issue. It includes photos, Reading HO drawings, and history of this car. Westerfield and Walthers offered this car. Tom Houle
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:15 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load In addition to the load, I wonder when these USRA mill gons were equipped with AB brake systems. A recent comment here noting AB brake systems on less than 25% of the 1940 freight car fleet had me wondering about how quickly the mill gons would be upgraded. Hoppers tended to be rebuilt more frequently and many owners of the composite USRA gons rebuilt with steel sides through the 1930s. Wouldn't these USRA mill gondolas be candidates for retaining K brake systems through WWII? Eric Eric Hansmann New Paltz, NY --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , richtownsend@... wrote: I'm trying to come up with a suitable and interesting load for it. My research on Reading, PA disclosed that the city is or was known for anthracite coal and for pretzels. I don't like the idea of a coal load, and while I am confident I could fashion HO scale pretzels from thin wire, I don't think a load of pretzels would be very realistic. So I am asking the collective brain of this list for suggestions on what to load in this car. Anyone? ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load
Tom Houle <thoule@...>
To all interested in the USRA 70-ton 46' mill gons operated by the Reading,
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Pennsy, NYC, B & O, and a few other eastern roads, I recommend the RMC multi-page article "USRA Steel Mill Gondolas" by Eric Neubauer in the June, 2000 issue. It includes photos, Reading HO drawings, and history of this car. Westerfield and Walthers offered this car. Tom Houle
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 8:15 AM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: [STMFC] Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load In addition to the load, I wonder when these USRA mill gons were equipped with AB brake systems. A recent comment here noting AB brake systems on less than 25% of the 1940 freight car fleet had me wondering about how quickly the mill gons would be upgraded. Hoppers tended to be rebuilt more frequently and many owners of the composite USRA gons rebuilt with steel sides through the 1930s. Wouldn't these USRA mill gondolas be candidates for retaining K brake systems through WWII? Eric Eric Hansmann New Paltz, NY --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, richtownsend@... wrote: I'm trying to come up with a suitable and interesting load for it. My research on Reading, PA disclosed that the city is or was known for anthracite coal and for pretzels. I don't like the idea of a coal load, and while I am confident I could fashion HO scale pretzels from thin wire, I don't think a load of pretzels would be very realistic. So I am asking the collective brain of this list for suggestions on what to load in this car. Anyone?
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