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Re: Unidentified tank car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:
A friend just gave me an old HO tank car. It's frame is all metal, with a K style brake. With a screw through the center beam holding the tank on. The ends and dome are unpainted castings. The tank appears to have a wrap with decorations. It's silver with a Conoco red triangle and CONX 593 below Continental oil company all in black. Tank has double bands at each bolster.

We're curious to know who made the model before I repaint it.
Sounds like the old Athearn metal tanks. Is the wrapper a kind of foil, like Silver Streak used, or all metal?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Freight Car Door Request

golden1014
 

Gentlemen,
 
I'm in need of a pair of doors from the Intermountain 1937 ARA Modified box car--the 10' 6" pre-war doors.  Would anyone have a spare set handy?  I'm happy to send you a few bucks plus your shipping cost.  Please reply offline at Golden1014@yahoo.com.  Thanks!
 
John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


Re: Unidentified tank car

john.allyn@...
 

Sounds like Silver Streak, circa 1952. 


John B. Allyn

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Subject: [STMFC] Unidentified tank car

 




A friend just gave me an old HO tank car. It's frame is all metal, with a K style brake. With a screw through the center beam holding the tank on. The ends and dome are unpainted castings. The tank appears to have a wrap with decorations. It's silver with a Conoco red triangle and CONX 593 below Continental oil company all in black. Tank has double bands at each bolster.

We're curious to know who made the model before I repaint it.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa






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Unidentified tank car

Clark Propst
 

A friend just gave me an old HO tank car. It's frame is all metal, with a K style brake. With a screw through the center beam holding the tank on. The ends and dome are unpainted castings. The tank appears to have a wrap with decorations. It's silver with a Conoco red triangle and CONX 593 below Continental oil company all in black. Tank has double bands at each bolster.

We're curious to know who made the model before I repaint it.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: USRA DS box cars

thmsdmpsy
 

Northwestern Pacific, SP&S see RP CYC 16.  Tom Dempsey Spokane WA



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Subject: [STMFC] USRA DS box cars


 
I just picked up an Erlt USRA double sheathed box car. Most all of that style car was gone from my railroad by the time I model, but I'd like to do something with it.

Was there any roads that did partial upgrades to these cars? Like new roofs or steel doors?

Any clones that may have had different ends, but were still around mid 54?

Thanks guys!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Re: USRA DS box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:
"As someone else mentioned, the CB&Q cars lasted late relatively unchanged. I
found one on a farm (gone now) that still had the original wood door and
separate grabs for the ladder, with a re-weigh date in '53 or '54."

Neat find!  These cars were off the roster by the January 1955 ORER.


Ben Hom


Re: USRA DS box cars

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, cepropst@... wrote:

Staffan, I don't mind changing the roof, doors, ends. Matter of fact I'd like to change the look of the car.
I already have a GN 23000 series car. But, won't be against doing another.
Clark Propst
As someone else mentioned, the CB&Q cars lasted late relatively unchanged. I found one on a farm (gone now) that still had the original wood door and separate grabs for the ladder, with a re-weigh date in '53 or '54.

Dennis


Re: USRA DS box cars

Clark Propst
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Staffan Ehnbom" <staffan.ehnbom@...> wrote:

If by doing "partial upgrades to these cars" you mean for you to have to do as little as possible to get it correct,

Staffan, I don't mind changing the roof, doors, ends. Matter of fact I'd like to change the look of the car.
I already have a GN 23000 series car. But, won't be against doing another.
Clark Propst


Re: USRA DS box cars

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Clark,

If by doing "partial upgrades to these cars" you mean for you to have to do as little as possible to get it correct, the GN straight USRA cars nos. 23494-24493 in the early 1950s had Murphy XLA roofs, ladders in stead of grabs, power hand brakes, all underbody brake gear including the reservoir on the left hand side of the center sill, Andrews trucks. Doors unchanged (wood). Judging by the picture at

http://www.ho-scaletrains.net/ertlrailwaydesigns/id48.html

the GN road name, reporting marks and monogram need changeing out.

Staffan Ehnbom

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Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 6:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: USRA DS box cars





Clark Propst wrote:
"I just picked up an Ertl USRA double sheathed box car. Most all of
that style car was gone from my railroad by the time I model, but I'd
like to do something with it."

"Was there any roads that did partial upgrades to these cars? Like
new roofs or steel doors?"

Not many. DL&W did install Hutchins roofs on their cars, but they
were gone by the early 1950s. Significant (> or ~ 100 cars)
survivors of non-rebuilt USRA DS boxcars in 1955:
GN, 1123 cars
RI, 430 cars
NWP, 94 cars

GN did upgrade their surving cars with AB brakes and power
handbrakes; however, I'd have to check prototype photos for any door
changes.

"Any clones that may have had different ends, but were still around
mid 54?"

GN, with 7/8 Murphy ends and corrugated doors, ~1000 cars would be
the largest group.

See my USRA DS boxcar speadsheet in the files section for more
information.

Ben Hom


Re: USRA DS box cars

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

A comprehensive article on USRA box cars was published in RPC Vol. 16. Page
11 discusses rebuilds. There were three types of rebuilds, simple upgrades
such as replacing KC brakes with AB brakes and rebuilding wooden bodies
(CB&Q, GN, M&StL, MP, and RI for example), and more extensive rebuilds such
as steel sides and ends in addition to brakes (DT&I, EJ&E, Frisco, and
Wabash for example). The most extensive rebuilds included increasing the
capacity by lengthening and raising the roof (ATSF, ACL, RI, C&NW). Sunshine
offers this version and I just finished building a RI steel rebuild.
Sunshine product data sheet 64D covers these rebuilds.

Other references include Railmodel Journal May 1998 and Model Railroading
May 1988 and June 1988, all available at Train Life.

Nelson Moyer

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Clark and Eileen
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:58 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] USRA DS box cars





I just picked up an Erlt USRA double sheathed box car. Most all of that
style car was gone from my railroad by the time I model, but I'd like to do
something with it.

Was there any roads that did partial upgrades to these cars? Like new roofs
or steel doors?

Any clones that may have had different ends, but were still around mid 54?

Thanks guys!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: USRA DS box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst wrote:
"I just picked up an Ertl USRA double sheathed box car. Most all of
that style car was gone from my railroad by the time I model, but I'd
like to do something with it."

"Was there any roads that did partial upgrades to these cars? Like
new roofs or steel doors?"

Not many. DL&W did install Hutchins roofs on their cars, but they
were gone by the early 1950s. Significant (> or ~ 100 cars)
survivors of non-rebuilt USRA DS boxcars in 1955:
GN, 1123 cars
RI, 430 cars
NWP, 94 cars

GN did upgrade their surving cars with AB brakes and power
handbrakes; however, I'd have to check prototype photos for any door
changes.


"Any clones that may have had different ends, but were still around
mid 54?"

GN, with 7/8 Murphy ends and corrugated doors, ~1000 cars would be
the largest group.

See my USRA DS boxcar speadsheet in the files section for more
information.


Ben Hom


USRA DS box cars

Clark Propst
 

I just picked up an Erlt USRA double sheathed box car. Most all of that style car was gone from my railroad by the time I model, but I'd like to do something with it.

Was there any roads that did partial upgrades to these cars? Like new roofs or steel doors?

Any clones that may have had different ends, but were still around mid 54?

Thanks guys!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Michael Aufderheide
 

Robert,
 
Thank you for posting this, I love this stuff too.  I can confirm that the Monon did not have any gons numbered 1283 per the 9/3/44 entry.  They did later have box cars in this series, but not until 1946 and onward.  Also the 12/22/44 entry with CIL 51296 did not exist.  Could the "MON" be the trainman's abbreviation for Monongehela? 
 
Interesting for me as a Monon guy to see the 1912 built howe truss cars (2164 & 3360) still working, though on their last legs.  Also several 31800 series low-sided composite gons, two of them loaded with car doors.  I see this load in my future.
 
Regards,
 
Mike Aufderheide


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Thanks for taking the time to transcribe this info! Always some interesting stuff.

Clark Propst

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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Clark Propst
 

Thanks for taking the time to transcribe this info! Always some interesting stuff.

Clark Propst

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Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

robert.allan32 <baallan@...>
 

The Reading had many on line industries engaged in fabrication and manufacturing. Just a couple of of miles down the road was Bethlehem Steel in Pottstown, which fabricated many of the signature bridges of the 20th Century including the Hackensack and Passiac River Bridges in New Jersey, Golden Gate and San Franciso - Oakland Bay Bridges, and the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge if I am not mistaken. Add Alan-Wood Steel, Bethlehem Steel in Bethlehem PA and Steelton PA, Budd of passenger car (and automotive fame) and you could load that gondola with the best and brightest harvest of the last century.


Re: Louisville & Nashville USRA Mill gondolas

Larry Sexton
 

Bill,



Would you provide a scan of that photo. I know the L&N had USRA clones of
the 40' composite gons, over a 1000 at least, and am pretty certain they had
a number of clones of the all-steel 46' mill gons as well. I have a couple
of in-service photos of the 40' composite, but none of the longer mill gons
until the 65' one. Looking forward to seeing you at CB this weekend.



Larry





From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Welch
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:01 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Louisville & Nashville USRA Mill gondolas





For those "Ya'll Modelers" I have a Mt. Vernon Builders photo and an
in-service photo from a group of L&N gondolas that with the exception
of an early Dreadnaught end are almost certainly copies of the USRA
Mill gons. No less an expert on this design than Randy Anderson
educated me on this and gave me the in-service photo. I was never
able to convince Al W. to offer this version but I will try with the
new proprietor.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com <mailto:fgexbill%40tampabay.rr.com>


Newbie

Phil Clark
 

I'm putting together an H0 SAL DCC layout here in rural Philippines. I'm
calling it Seaboard (1969). Have finished the benchwork, next am
fabricating lighting valences.



I'll want to run steam hauled freight trains. The trains would be a
`run-through' on FEC track south of Miami and out to Key West.

In this `what-if' scenario the FEC's Overseas Extension was not
destroyed in the 1935 hurricane; US/Cuba government officials exchange
visits between Washington & Havana, discussing Florida Straits oil
leases; resort hotels were developed by SAL on the Keys; SAL had running
rights. Freight cars transport via car ferry off-shore assembled IBM
tabulators; bagged coffee beans; chilled fruit, sugar cane ethanol; and
flat cars loaded with agricultural (sugar-cane) machinery or narrow
gauge rolling stock.



The freight car mix, steam hauled, would be early 1960s, but with many
1950s 40' steam era cars, appropriate for the overseas shippers. My
interests are 1950s mechanical reefers; 1950s TOFC; 1950s flat cars.



I'll read the archives first.



Phil Clark, Catarman, Philippines.


Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 2, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Scott Seders wrote:

What was it about K brakes that was causing wrecks?
Scott, AB brakes were more responsive than K brakes, so they set up
faster. No problem if all the brakes were K or all were AB, but
between ca.1933, when AB brakes were mandated on all new cars (and
often applied to older cars when extensively rebuilt) and 1953, when
K brakes were outlawed in interchange, a typical train would have
some K brakes and some AB brakes (more K brakes in the '30a, more AB
in the postwar period). When the engineer set the air, the brakes on
the AB equipped cars set faster than those on the K equipped cars
and, depending on where they were in the train,
coupler slack would either run in or out. As a retired Cajon Pass
"hill engineer" once told me, "going down the 3% with a steam
locomotive, even with the retainers set up, you had to set a lot of
air, and then you'd look back and watch the slack run in and out like
a yo-yo as the AB brakes set first and then the K brakes." During WW
II, all of the major railroad downgrades were littered with broken
knuckles, drawbars, etc. as a result, and sometimes the results were
even more serious. Handling the air on downhill mountain grades was
an art form, one that flatland engineers never had to learn, and many
a train went into the ditch behind an engineer who hadn't mastered
the art.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: Reading USRA Gondola Load

Scott Seders
 

What was it about K brakes that was causing wrecks?

Scott Seders
Salisbury, MD

Bruce Smith wrote
Eric,
Don't interpret the pre WWII percentage to equal an immediate post WWII
percentage. In preparartion for WWII there was a rapid conversion of
many cars in 1940 and 1940. In addition, the heavy tonnage and long
trains of the war resulted in a number of wrecks directly atributed to
too high a percentage of K brakes in the trains, thus there was a push
to convert even more. By 1944 the percentage was down to 50% or less,
iirc. That said, yes, some of these cars likely still had their K
brakes.
Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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