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Re: Prototype Rails 2012 Report

Clark Propst
 

I talked to Stan on the phone today and he comfirmed that Jeff screwed up : )
We say thanks for the kind words (Stan and I) on his presentation. I did the Power Point show for him, beings he doesn't have a computer.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:

Stan Rydarowicz's clinic on Wabash panel-side hoppers was poorly attended because I screwed up. Stan was not actually a "last minute substitution"; he was part of the original plans. But I messed up and left him off the schedule, an error that wasn't detected until the day before the meet. Fortunately (?) we had a cancellation, so Stan was able to give his clinic. But I fear that most folks did not know about it, and therefore attendance was poor.

I am very sorry that this happened, and I will make every effort to avoid similar problems in the future. I know Stan worked very hard on his presentation and I'm sure he was disappointed in what APPEARED to be a lack of interest - again, caused by me not ensuring everyone knew about the clinic beforehand.

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bruce F. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:39 PM

To add to your list of clinics, I enjoyed Stan R's clinic on panel side
hopper - attendance was small as it was a last minute substitution, but
it was excellent.




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Re: Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Stuart

The 1947 and 1948 CB&Q ORER's listed 40 box cars U.S.A. #24167-24210. The footnote stated "individual numbers of cars marked "U.S.A." operated under lease by C., B. & Q. R. R.. These cars are not included in total of C., B. & Q." and then it listed 24167, 24169-24182, 24184-24188, 24190-24195, and 24197-24210. The cars were 36' 6" inside length so they were certainly not CB&Q cars.

It is believed that these were listed solely to enable them to be used in interchange rather than being an actual lease.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Stuart A. Forsyth
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:39 PM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars LIST
Subject: [STMFC] Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II





As you know, I am preparing a clinic for the February 18th SFRH&MS Mini-Meet
regarding the Chemical Warfare Service's San Bernardino Bomb Plant and the
Rialto Back-Up Ammunition Storage Point east of San Bernardino, CA during
World War II.

Does anyone have or know where I could locate rosters of US Army or US Navy
boxcars that would have been in use during World War II (1941-1945).

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide and . . . Happy New
Year!

Best wishes,

Stuart

Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@... <mailto:forsyth%40usa.net>


Re: Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II

Steve SANDIFER
 

This is later, but the July 1950 Register lists:
Dept. of Army
CWSX, USAX, USOX, USQX
135 Flat
497 Box
22 Gondola
24 hopper
3396 tank

USNX (Navy)
1304 Box
82 Flat
4 Hopper
316 tank

Atomic Energy Commission, ATMX
10 Box
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Sexton
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:32 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II



Stuart,

I have been researching WWII and the shipment of war materials, including
munitions, for a number of years and I've never seen a listing of the US
Army or Navy boxcars in service during WWII. Any photos I've seen of boxcars
arriving at military bases during that time show boxcars owned by the
railroads.

I just checked my January 1942 ORER and the War Department listed 1694
tankcars of which 286 were helium tankcars, but no boxcars. The Navy listed
one 43' OSL boxcar and a few tankcars. I have been told by a couple of
people that were responsible for shipping munitions to the ports for
shipment overseas during Vietnam that the military had obtained quite a few
boxcars during WWII. Based on the boxcars that showed up shipside during
Vietnam, most of those boxcars were not new cars in WWII.

Hopefully, someone on the list has a 1945 or 46 ORER and can tell you what
boxcars are listed for the Navy and War Department. I'll be surprised if
they were listed in the ORERs before that. Based on feedback, I believe that
the military bought quite a few boxcars during the war so they could load
the cars and hold them at depots around the country waiting for the Navy
ships to show up for re-supply and the merchant ships to take on loads to
carry to the allies. Good luck with your research and I'd appreciate
feedback on what you find.

Larry Sexton

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Stuart A. Forsyth
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:39 PM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars LIST
Subject: [STMFC] Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II

As you know, I am preparing a clinic for the February 18th SFRH&MS Mini-Meet
regarding the Chemical Warfare Service's San Bernardino Bomb Plant and the
Rialto Back-Up Ammunition Storage Point east of San Bernardino, CA during
World War II.

Does anyone have or know where I could locate rosters of US Army or US Navy
boxcars that would have been in use during World War II (1941-1945).

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide and . . . Happy New
Year!

Best wishes,

Stuart

Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@... <mailto:forsyth%40usa.net>


Re: Rapido Meat Reefers

Bruce Smith
 

Brian,

Bill Schneider was there with decorated samples He had just returned
from the factory in China. I believe that there will likely be another
test shot out of the mold before production begins and then they have to
get a production slot at the factory, which will be producing the
Canadian models first. All that adds up to a few months at the least.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

"Brian Carlson" <prrk41361@...> 01/10/12 9:59 PM >>>
I noted Rapido was supposed to be at Cocoa Beach, any update on the ETA
of
the GARX Meat Reefers?



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY









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Re: Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II

Bruce Smith
 

The paucity of military house cars in the ORER is most likely because
they were not in interchange service. As noted earlier, munitions were
delivered to military bases on common carrier cars and then were stored
and moved around those bases at times in military owned boxcars.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

"al_brown03" <abrown@...> 01/10/12 9:55 PM >>>
Similarly, the 1/43 ORER War Department listing shows 2475 tank cars but
no boxcars. The Navy Department listing shows one boxcar, four flats,
and 129 tank cars.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "Larry Sexton" <SSEXTON9@...> wrote:

Stuart,



I have been researching WWII and the shipment of war materials,
including
munitions, for a number of years and I've never seen a listing of the
US
Army or Navy boxcars in service during WWII. Any photos I've seen of
boxcars
arriving at military bases during that time show boxcars owned by the
railroads.



I just checked my January 1942 ORER and the War Department listed 1694
tankcars of which 286 were helium tankcars, but no boxcars. The Navy
listed
one 43' OSL boxcar and a few tankcars. I have been told by a couple of
people that were responsible for shipping munitions to the ports for
shipment overseas during Vietnam that the military had obtained quite
a few
boxcars during WWII. Based on the boxcars that showed up shipside
during
Vietnam, most of those boxcars were not new cars in WWII.



Hopefully, someone on the list has a 1945 or 46 ORER and can tell you
what
boxcars are listed for the Navy and War Department. I'll be surprised
if
they were listed in the ORERs before that. Based on feedback, I
believe that
the military bought quite a few boxcars during the war so they could
load
the cars and hold them at depots around the country waiting for the
Navy
ships to show up for re-supply and the merchant ships to take on loads
to
carry to the allies. Good luck with your research and I'd appreciate
feedback on what you find.



Larry Sexton



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf
Of
Stuart A. Forsyth
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:39 PM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars LIST
Subject: [STMFC] Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II





As you know, I am preparing a clinic for the February 18th SFRH&MS
Mini-Meet
regarding the Chemical Warfare Service's San Bernardino Bomb Plant and
the
Rialto Back-Up Ammunition Storage Point east of San Bernardino, CA
during
World War II.

Does anyone have or know where I could locate rosters of US Army or US
Navy
boxcars that would have been in use during World War II (1941-1945).

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide and . . . Happy
New
Year!

Best wishes,

Stuart

Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@... <mailto:forsyth%40usa.net>











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Rapido Meat Reefers

Brian Carlson
 

I noted Rapido was supposed to be at Cocoa Beach, any update on the ETA of
the GARX Meat Reefers?



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY


Re: Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II

al_brown03
 

Similarly, the 1/43 ORER War Department listing shows 2475 tank cars but no boxcars. The Navy Department listing shows one boxcar, four flats, and 129 tank cars.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Larry Sexton" <SSEXTON9@...> wrote:

Stuart,



I have been researching WWII and the shipment of war materials, including
munitions, for a number of years and I've never seen a listing of the US
Army or Navy boxcars in service during WWII. Any photos I've seen of boxcars
arriving at military bases during that time show boxcars owned by the
railroads.



I just checked my January 1942 ORER and the War Department listed 1694
tankcars of which 286 were helium tankcars, but no boxcars. The Navy listed
one 43' OSL boxcar and a few tankcars. I have been told by a couple of
people that were responsible for shipping munitions to the ports for
shipment overseas during Vietnam that the military had obtained quite a few
boxcars during WWII. Based on the boxcars that showed up shipside during
Vietnam, most of those boxcars were not new cars in WWII.



Hopefully, someone on the list has a 1945 or 46 ORER and can tell you what
boxcars are listed for the Navy and War Department. I'll be surprised if
they were listed in the ORERs before that. Based on feedback, I believe that
the military bought quite a few boxcars during the war so they could load
the cars and hold them at depots around the country waiting for the Navy
ships to show up for re-supply and the merchant ships to take on loads to
carry to the allies. Good luck with your research and I'd appreciate
feedback on what you find.



Larry Sexton



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Stuart A. Forsyth
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:39 PM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars LIST
Subject: [STMFC] Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II





As you know, I am preparing a clinic for the February 18th SFRH&MS Mini-Meet
regarding the Chemical Warfare Service's San Bernardino Bomb Plant and the
Rialto Back-Up Ammunition Storage Point east of San Bernardino, CA during
World War II.

Does anyone have or know where I could locate rosters of US Army or US Navy
boxcars that would have been in use during World War II (1941-1945).

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide and . . . Happy New
Year!

Best wishes,

Stuart

Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@... <mailto:forsyth%40usa.net>









Re: Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II

Ray Breyer
 

Would a 1945 MRS equipment diagram book help? Sorry, but it includes American-built engines and cars for foreign service as well as domestic.

 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


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From: Stuart A. Forsyth <trainmail@...>
To: Steam Era Freight Cars LIST <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 8:39 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II

As you know, I am preparing a clinic for the February 18th SFRH&MS Mini-Meet regarding the Chemical Warfare Service's San Bernardino Bomb Plant and the Rialto Back-Up Ammunition Storage Point east of San Bernardino, CA during World War II.

Does anyone have or know where I could locate rosters of US Army or US Navy boxcars that would have been in use during World War II (1941-1945).

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide and . . . Happy New Year!

Best wishes,

Stuart


Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@...


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Re: Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II

Larry Sexton
 

Stuart,



I have been researching WWII and the shipment of war materials, including
munitions, for a number of years and I've never seen a listing of the US
Army or Navy boxcars in service during WWII. Any photos I've seen of boxcars
arriving at military bases during that time show boxcars owned by the
railroads.



I just checked my January 1942 ORER and the War Department listed 1694
tankcars of which 286 were helium tankcars, but no boxcars. The Navy listed
one 43' OSL boxcar and a few tankcars. I have been told by a couple of
people that were responsible for shipping munitions to the ports for
shipment overseas during Vietnam that the military had obtained quite a few
boxcars during WWII. Based on the boxcars that showed up shipside during
Vietnam, most of those boxcars were not new cars in WWII.



Hopefully, someone on the list has a 1945 or 46 ORER and can tell you what
boxcars are listed for the Navy and War Department. I'll be surprised if
they were listed in the ORERs before that. Based on feedback, I believe that
the military bought quite a few boxcars during the war so they could load
the cars and hold them at depots around the country waiting for the Navy
ships to show up for re-supply and the merchant ships to take on loads to
carry to the allies. Good luck with your research and I'd appreciate
feedback on what you find.



Larry Sexton



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Stuart A. Forsyth
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:39 PM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars LIST
Subject: [STMFC] Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II





As you know, I am preparing a clinic for the February 18th SFRH&MS Mini-Meet
regarding the Chemical Warfare Service's San Bernardino Bomb Plant and the
Rialto Back-Up Ammunition Storage Point east of San Bernardino, CA during
World War II.

Does anyone have or know where I could locate rosters of US Army or US Navy
boxcars that would have been in use during World War II (1941-1945).

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide and . . . Happy New
Year!

Best wishes,

Stuart

Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@... <mailto:forsyth%40usa.net>


Re: Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II

SUVCWORR@...
 

Stuart,

The NMRA has reprinted the 1943 ORER. That should provide a good starting point.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart A. Forsyth <trainmail@...>
To: Steam Era Freight Cars LIST <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2012 9:39 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II


As you know, I am preparing a clinic for the February 18th SFRH&MS Mini-Meet
regarding the Chemical Warfare Service's San Bernardino Bomb Plant and the
Rialto Back-Up Ammunition Storage Point east of San Bernardino, CA during World
War II.

Does anyone have or know where I could locate rosters of US Army or US Navy
boxcars that would have been in use during World War II (1941-1945).

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide and . . . Happy New Year!

Best wishes,

Stuart


Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@...






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Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II

Stuart A. Forsyth <trainmail@...>
 

As you know, I am preparing a clinic for the February 18th SFRH&MS Mini-Meet regarding the Chemical Warfare Service's San Bernardino Bomb Plant and the Rialto Back-Up Ammunition Storage Point east of San Bernardino, CA during World War II.

Does anyone have or know where I could locate rosters of US Army or US Navy boxcars that would have been in use during World War II (1941-1945).

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide and . . . Happy New Year!

Best wishes,

Stuart


Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@...


Re: Prototype Rails 2012 Report

Aley, Jeff A
 

Stan Rydarowicz's clinic on Wabash panel-side hoppers was poorly attended because I screwed up. Stan was not actually a "last minute substitution"; he was part of the original plans. But I messed up and left him off the schedule, an error that wasn't detected until the day before the meet. Fortunately (?) we had a cancellation, so Stan was able to give his clinic. But I fear that most folks did not know about it, and therefore attendance was poor.

I am very sorry that this happened, and I will make every effort to avoid similar problems in the future. I know Stan worked very hard on his presentation and I'm sure he was disappointed in what APPEARED to be a lack of interest - again, caused by me not ensuring everyone knew about the clinic beforehand.

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bruce F. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:39 PM

To add to your list of clinics, I enjoyed Stan R's clinic on panel side
hopper - attendance was small as it was a last minute substitution, but
it was excellent.


Re: Prototype Rails 2012 Report

Bill Welch
 

My eggs were exactly as requested each morning!

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:
The hotel food was improved this year.
I second this. The breakfast was excellent with "make and take" waffles
and chef working an omelette bar every day.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Prototype Rails 2012 Report

Bruce Smith
 

Jeff said:
When one attends a meet in Florida in January, an obvious question is,
"How was the weather?" and this year it was >gorgeous. Sunny, upper
60's / low 70's - perfect. And the inside of the hotel was comfortable
this year as well - for the >first time, I received NO complaints that
the presentation rooms were too hot or too cold.

Mike says he gets blamed for the bad weather so kudos to Mike for the
great weather this weekend!

To add to your list of clinics, I enjoyed Stan R's clinic on panel side
hopper - attendance was small as it was a last minute substitution, but
it was excellent. Bernie Kempinski's "make and take" was also excellent,
although I wish I had decided before hand that I was attending as it
would have been helpful to bring my "eyes" and tools. I too enjoyed
Frank Peacock's clinic, and think we have a new motto - "expect the
unexpected!"

We also had Thursday ops sessions - Jeff left out that he dispatched
Mike's layout. I think we had a great time even though the electrical
gremlins showed up in force. And of course, when we went to trouble
shoot the layout Sunday, it worked perfectly!

Per Bill Darnaby's suggestion, we had mostly chocolate chip cookies
this year.

I actually got one!

The display room had a lot of excellent models shown.
I'm torn about saying this because I don't want folks to not bring
models because they fear they may not be "good enough" but I thought the
quality of models there was very high!

Notably absent from the vendors present were Walthers and BLI. Other
manufacturers present that Jeff did not mention included Nick and Nora
Designs and ESU/Loksound.

The hotel food was improved this year.
I second this. The breakfast was excellent with "make and take" waffles
and chef working an omelette bar every day.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Slack Adjusters

chapbob@...
 

I'm working on a F&C kit for L&N's 12000/13000 series single sheathed
boxcars, built in 1924 and 1926.

The kit provides castings for a slack adjuster mechanism for the car's AB
brake system. I have been under the impression that slack adjusters were a
relatively uncommon application especially on a car of this vintage, and am
finding no evidence on diagrams, etc., that the L&N cars had these.

I'm inclined to go with the standard AB brake rod and lever arrangement,
but before I do, I'd welcome any comments re the probability of this car
having a slack adjuster.

Thanks,
Bob Chapman


Re: Prototype Rails 2012 Report

Bill Welch
 

Jeff

As per your suggestion for the panel discussion the Jacksonville mafia/contingent includes several retirees from CSX and predecessor lines that I am sure could could fill your bill of lading. I can give some names when you need them.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:

Full disclosure: I am the Clinic Chairman for Prototype Rails, so my opinions are obviously biased.

Prototype Rails, the prototype-modeler's meet in Cocoa Beach, FL, is now behind us. From my perspective, it was a very good meet, and I had a fine time.

When one attends a meet in Florida in January, an obvious question is, "How was the weather?" and this year it was gorgeous. Sunny, upper 60's / low 70's - perfect. And the inside of the hotel was comfortable this year as well - for the first time, I received NO complaints that the presentation rooms were too hot or too cold.

Attendance was good; a little bit more than 250, I think. I saw a lot of new faces as well as the "regulars". Of course, I hope that the new folks become regulars. That also goes for the clinicians - we had a nice bunch of new (and very high quality) presenters in addition to the usual folks like Hendrickson, Thompson, Spearandeo, Koester, Switzer, Darnaby, etc etc. As always, there are 4 reasons I come to Prototype Rails, and they did not disappoint:
1) The clinics; 2) The models; 3) The like-minded people (and old friends); and 4) The location / weather.

We only had one clinic impacted by a technical glitch - Bernie Kempinski's iPad would only intermittently talk to the projector.

Since there were few problems, I attended several clinics, and saw portions of others:
+ Roger Hinman showed a very neat vintage video showing how MDT constructed their freight cars. I wish I could have seen the whole thing.
+ Steve Hile led us through the evolution of Rock Island motor cars and RDC's, using photos from the RI Technical Society's Ed Wojtas collection.
+ Bernard Kempinski did a "Make-N-Take" clinic where attendees assembled an HO Scale rooftop water tank DURING the clinic. The kit ($25 fee) included a laser-cut wood tank and etched brass supports that had to be soldered together. The hands-on tutorial on soldering was said to be excellent.
+ Craig Bisgeier showed off a computer program called "Here to There" that generates waybills for car forwarding. In my opinion, he could have spent a little more time on the final result and less time on the various menus one uses to use the program.
+ Tony Thompson updated his progress toward a prototypical waybill. New this year was a section on variations used by others, including Otis McGee and Tom Weissgerber (the latter portion presented by me).
+ Lance Mindheim's Tips for a More Realistic Looking Layout were very good, and very well illustrated. Unsurprisingly, modeling the prototype leads to a prototypical-looking scene. But he very clearly emphasized the power of the "mundane" non-rail served buildings and how they make the scene look "right". He also advocated selective cropping instead of selective compression.
+ Frank Peacock led us through a series of 1947 train consists from the UP, and showed how common "uncommon" freight cars can be. This is something that Tim O'Connor has been pointing out statistically for some time.
+ Steve Orth showed how to model two passenger trains: the City of St. Louis and the City of San Francisco, emphasizing the cars that Walthers DIDN'T produce.

Things that I will do differently next year:
1) Handouts. We will "strongly encourage" ALL clinicians to provide a 1-page (or longer) handout.
2) Lighting. I need to learn enough about the lighting system in the clinic rooms to be able to leave a low-level of light to allow note-taking.
3) I'd like to add a "panel discussion" where several real railroaders (current and retired) each get 5-10 minutes to tell a prototypical "war story" + Q&A. Tom Bissett already does this, and is very popular, so I want to expand it.

Other stuff:
+ Per Bill Darnaby's suggestion, we had mostly chocolate chip cookies this year. I don't think there will every be enough free cookies, but I think we did okay.
+ The display room had a lot of excellent models shown. In the future, it needs to be laid out differently, as it was difficult to navigate between the rows of vendors. We also need to use the modular layout space more efficiently (i.e. by making the O-scale layout more rectangular than square).
+ The hotel food was improved this year. The Friends of the Freight Car luncheon, for which we had a limited menu (3 items) was tasty and relatively quick [for me, at least].
+ The Lobster Shanty (get the rock shrimp) and Roberto's Little Havana (aka "The Cuban restaurant") remain on my must-visit list; Sonny's BBQ is my fast-food joint of choice. And I am still eating oranges from Harvey's (I smuggled them into California in my suitcase).

What did YOU think of Prototype Rails 2012? I'd love to have your feedback.

Regards,

-Jeff





Re: ASF A-3 Ride Control Truck

ROGER HINMAN
 

MDT steel reefers assigned to GM&O rode on these trucks


Roger Hinman
On Jan 10, 2012, at 1:17 PM, gulf_central_ry wrote:

I recently purchased a pair of HO scale ASF A-3 trucks because I have information that they were built from mid-40s to mid 60s - which fits my era - and that the GM&O used them. What car(s) would have had these trucks on the GM&O starting with their introduction and going to the last instant of 1949? I have to ask as I do not know any way to find out otherwise. I am trying to keep my cut-off time at 11:59:59.9999(Planck time) Saturday, 31 December, 1949.

Thanx
Demetre Argiro
GM&O 1945 - 1949



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Cocoa Beach report

Bill Welch
 

I will offer up some things I saw this past weekend and assume others
will fill in. InterMountain had parts for their upcoming Alternate
Standard two-bay offset twin hopper. As they are just now tooling up
this model, I can only assume what they were displaying were "Rapid
Prototyped" resin parts. The center sill and one piece hopper bays
will be metal. The components were very finely done and this will be
a very nice model. It resembles a Tichy hopper in the way it will go
together and if the choose to view the center sill and hopper
components as common core parts could assemble any number of sides
and ends to do not only the alternate standard but the standard
offset as well. Frank A. said these will be available as kits as well
as built up.

Jon Cagle (Southern Car & Foundry) was displaying two different 3-
dome tank cars and to those that lingered he brought out the
insulated car he is working on. Very fine cross section where the
ends and side sheathing join. He made reference to a fourth new tank
car model but I failed to ask about it. He did say during the panel
discussion that his current tank car kits will be going on hiatus
once his current stock is sold out, so you better hurry if you have
been waiting.

With several Westerfield NYC boxcars yet to build, I intend on buy
one of the BWL cars w/replacement roof but could not find any
pre-1955 cars.

I purchased one of F&C's Union 52-foot gondolas and since it was a
"buy one get one free deal" I also bought a PRR GLca 2-bay hopper. It
will be interesting to compare it to the Westerfield version. When
looking at these with the aid of my Opti-Visor, Steve is somehow
applying a very finely done very small detail where the grab irons
attach. Don't know how to describe it but it is clearly replicating a
small piece of attachment hardware. I recently built F&C re-release
of the MP 45-foot gon which is very nice and the 52-foot car is
equally nice.

As usual Lance M. provided some very sound concepts and Roger H.
plowed new ground w/his presentation on IC and NP reefers. Mont S.
gave me some new ideas as I listened to and watched his presentation.

After my inquiries about cutting instruments, John Greedy gave me
something new to try out.

I am finally connecting with more Florida modelers and hope to work
out ways to get to know them better.
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: Drawing Nomenclature

ronald parisi
 

Dennis:

Thanks for the examples, they clarify what we are talking about...
now if we will only use them...

Ron Parisi


Prototype Rails 2012 Report

Aley, Jeff A
 

Full disclosure: I am the Clinic Chairman for Prototype Rails, so my opinions are obviously biased.

Prototype Rails, the prototype-modeler's meet in Cocoa Beach, FL, is now behind us. From my perspective, it was a very good meet, and I had a fine time.

When one attends a meet in Florida in January, an obvious question is, "How was the weather?" and this year it was gorgeous. Sunny, upper 60's / low 70's - perfect. And the inside of the hotel was comfortable this year as well - for the first time, I received NO complaints that the presentation rooms were too hot or too cold.

Attendance was good; a little bit more than 250, I think. I saw a lot of new faces as well as the "regulars". Of course, I hope that the new folks become regulars. That also goes for the clinicians - we had a nice bunch of new (and very high quality) presenters in addition to the usual folks like Hendrickson, Thompson, Spearandeo, Koester, Switzer, Darnaby, etc etc. As always, there are 4 reasons I come to Prototype Rails, and they did not disappoint:
1) The clinics; 2) The models; 3) The like-minded people (and old friends); and 4) The location / weather.

We only had one clinic impacted by a technical glitch - Bernie Kempinski's iPad would only intermittently talk to the projector.

Since there were few problems, I attended several clinics, and saw portions of others:
+ Roger Hinman showed a very neat vintage video showing how MDT constructed their freight cars. I wish I could have seen the whole thing.
+ Steve Hile led us through the evolution of Rock Island motor cars and RDC's, using photos from the RI Technical Society's Ed Wojtas collection.
+ Bernard Kempinski did a "Make-N-Take" clinic where attendees assembled an HO Scale rooftop water tank DURING the clinic. The kit ($25 fee) included a laser-cut wood tank and etched brass supports that had to be soldered together. The hands-on tutorial on soldering was said to be excellent.
+ Craig Bisgeier showed off a computer program called "Here to There" that generates waybills for car forwarding. In my opinion, he could have spent a little more time on the final result and less time on the various menus one uses to use the program.
+ Tony Thompson updated his progress toward a prototypical waybill. New this year was a section on variations used by others, including Otis McGee and Tom Weissgerber (the latter portion presented by me).
+ Lance Mindheim's Tips for a More Realistic Looking Layout were very good, and very well illustrated. Unsurprisingly, modeling the prototype leads to a prototypical-looking scene. But he very clearly emphasized the power of the "mundane" non-rail served buildings and how they make the scene look "right". He also advocated selective cropping instead of selective compression.
+ Frank Peacock led us through a series of 1947 train consists from the UP, and showed how common "uncommon" freight cars can be. This is something that Tim O'Connor has been pointing out statistically for some time.
+ Steve Orth showed how to model two passenger trains: the City of St. Louis and the City of San Francisco, emphasizing the cars that Walthers DIDN'T produce.

Things that I will do differently next year:
1) Handouts. We will "strongly encourage" ALL clinicians to provide a 1-page (or longer) handout.
2) Lighting. I need to learn enough about the lighting system in the clinic rooms to be able to leave a low-level of light to allow note-taking.
3) I'd like to add a "panel discussion" where several real railroaders (current and retired) each get 5-10 minutes to tell a prototypical "war story" + Q&A. Tom Bissett already does this, and is very popular, so I want to expand it.

Other stuff:
+ Per Bill Darnaby's suggestion, we had mostly chocolate chip cookies this year. I don't think there will every be enough free cookies, but I think we did okay.
+ The display room had a lot of excellent models shown. In the future, it needs to be laid out differently, as it was difficult to navigate between the rows of vendors. We also need to use the modular layout space more efficiently (i.e. by making the O-scale layout more rectangular than square).
+ The hotel food was improved this year. The Friends of the Freight Car luncheon, for which we had a limited menu (3 items) was tasty and relatively quick [for me, at least].
+ The Lobster Shanty (get the rock shrimp) and Roberto's Little Havana (aka "The Cuban restaurant") remain on my must-visit list; Sonny's BBQ is my fast-food joint of choice. And I am still eating oranges from Harvey's (I smuggled them into California in my suitcase).

What did YOU think of Prototype Rails 2012? I'd love to have your feedback.

Regards,

-Jeff

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