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Re: Small scale manufacturing

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Charles R Yungkurth <drgwrail@...> wrote:

Not to mention that Solid Works is a  CAD program that costs about $5000 plus a license fee of about $100 a year.  
 
Chuck Yungkurth 
Boulder CO

Some people have been using Google Sketchup, which is free, with I believe reasonable results. I took a quick look at it, and it seems to do what is needed, but I'm not into learning new software just for fun, so didn't take it any further.

My view is that resolution is going to be the problem for some time to come. Do a little reading on Reynolds Numbers and consider the implications.

Dennis


Re: Small scale manufacturing

drgwrail
 

Not to mention that Solid Works is a  CAD program that costs about $5000 plus a license fee of about $100 a year.  
 
Chuck Yungkurth 
Boulder CO

From: Bill Lane <bill@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Small scale manufacturing


 
All,

I was just checking in here when I saw this topic which was tied to "you are
going to be able to make it all yourself soon". Even if a suitable 3D
printer became affordable (you would have to define affordable on an
individual basis) you would need to be able to do the designing in some
CAD/Solidworks program which has a **massive** learning curve. I would call
myself an advanced beginner in Solidworks.

None of the current bells and whistles "isn't that neat" RP materials
produce detail and smooth enough surfaces in a **single print** on ALL
planes that are going to be acceptable for model railroad applications. You
have to pick the most shown face and go with that for the best detail. If
other faces are important that has to be a separate 3D produced part that is
assembled to became your master pattern. Rounded or angled items can have
stepping issues. You would think that .002 thick layers are not noticeable
until you try & make an air tank!

Sorry but I don't see this changing drastically in the next few years. Since
making my own parts for the past 5 years the advancement has been to take
.0005 off of the layering. That is it. And that resolution comes at a
premium price to get an item produced.

I have found a rather awesome urethane caster. It is his full time gig. Even
if I knew him on a personal level I just could not see me asking him to show
me or anyone else how to cast urethane. I am not even interested in
learning. I enjoy the designing the most.

The only way I could see the co-op idea as being viable is if your current
plastic car manufacturers share their parts designs as freeware. For any
individual to have to design any item to give it to the co-op is probably
not going to happen on any large scale.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
<http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Custom Train Parts Design
<http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm>
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls>
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
<http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf>
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL

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Re: NYC Boxcars -- which ends do I need?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Richard,

Thanks! I will read your article on-line tonight.

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 6:09 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NYC Boxcars -- which ends do I need?



On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

Folks,

Suppose I want 6 of the NYC steel boxcars modeled by BLI. For 1951
- 53, how many should be 7/8 ends and how many should be Dreadnaught?

I suspect the answer to my question is in RPCyc21, which I do not
yet have.
That information is also in the roster in my March, 2007 Railmodel
Journal article on these cars. The only Spec. 486 box cars that had
Dreadnaught ends were those built in 1927: 1,000 cars for the Big
Four (later absorbed into the NYC roster), 50 cars for the Peoria &
Eastern, and 1,000 cars for the NYC itself. So that's 2,050 cars out
of almost 21,000, approximately one in ten. All the other cars had
7-8 corrugated ends.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: NYC Boxcars -- which ends do I need?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 11, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

Folks,

Suppose I want 6 of the NYC steel boxcars modeled by BLI. For 1951
- 53, how many should be 7/8 ends and how many should be Dreadnaught?

I suspect the answer to my question is in RPCyc21, which I do not
yet have.
That information is also in the roster in my March, 2007 Railmodel
Journal article on these cars. The only Spec. 486 box cars that had
Dreadnaught ends were those built in 1927: 1,000 cars for the Big
Four (later absorbed into the NYC roster), 50 cars for the Peoria &
Eastern, and 1,000 cars for the NYC itself. So that's 2,050 cars out
of almost 21,000, approximately one in ten. All the other cars had
7-8 corrugated ends.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: NYC Boxcars -- which ends do I need?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Aaron,

Thanks! I'm sure I have that issue of RMC; I just need to find it.

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Aaron Gjermundson
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:43 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NYC Boxcars -- which ends do I need?



In the October, 2006, MRC, Essential Freight Car article #34, NYC USRA design box cars, there is a table that lists all of the cars, and their similarities/differences.

Aaron


Re: NYC Boxcars -- which ends do I need?

npin53
 

In the October, 2006, MRC, Essential Freight Car article #34, NYC USRA design box cars, there is a table that lists all of the cars, and their similarities/differences.

Aaron


Small scale manufacturing

Bill Lane
 

All,



I was just checking in here when I saw this topic which was tied to "you are
going to be able to make it all yourself soon". Even if a suitable 3D
printer became affordable (you would have to define affordable on an
individual basis) you would need to be able to do the designing in some
CAD/Solidworks program which has a **massive** learning curve. I would call
myself an advanced beginner in Solidworks.



None of the current bells and whistles "isn't that neat" RP materials
produce detail and smooth enough surfaces in a **single print** on ALL
planes that are going to be acceptable for model railroad applications. You
have to pick the most shown face and go with that for the best detail. If
other faces are important that has to be a separate 3D produced part that is
assembled to became your master pattern. Rounded or angled items can have
stepping issues. You would think that .002 thick layers are not noticeable
until you try & make an air tank!



Sorry but I don't see this changing drastically in the next few years. Since
making my own parts for the past 5 years the advancement has been to take
.0005 off of the layering. That is it. And that resolution comes at a
premium price to get an item produced.



I have found a rather awesome urethane caster. It is his full time gig. Even
if I knew him on a personal level I just could not see me asking him to show
me or anyone else how to cast urethane. I am not even interested in
learning. I enjoy the designing the most.



The only way I could see the co-op idea as being viable is if your current
plastic car manufacturers share their parts designs as freeware. For any
individual to have to design any item to give it to the co-op is probably
not going to happen on any large scale.



Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
<http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Custom Train Parts Design
<http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm>
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls>
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
<http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf>
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL


NYC Boxcars -- which ends do I need?

Aley, Jeff A
 

Folks,

Suppose I want 6 of the NYC steel boxcars modeled by BLI. For 1951 - 53, how many should be 7/8 ends and how many should be Dreadnaught?

I suspect the answer to my question is in RPCyc21, which I do not yet have.

Thanks in advance,

-Jeff


Re: Information Sorce

Jeff Coleman
 

This turned up with a quick google search;
http://www.umsl.edu/barriger/collections/bre.htm

Jeff Coleman

--- In STMFC@..., Steve Vallee <stvvallee@...> wrote:

Dear Group...
 
   I found something that might be helpful to modelers. While looking through the October, 1954 issue of Railroad Magazine, I spotted this Q&A on page 43:
 
 
  Q)... Where can I find a library specializing in railroad subjects?
 
  A)...If you ever visit Washington, D. C., you could use the world's largest transportation library, which is maintained by the Bureau of Railway Economics, Association of American Railroads, in the Transportation Building. Here you will find, in addition to technical and historical information, special collections of documentary material. Included are Government reports, files of American and foreign periodicals, including "Railroad Magazine," annual statements of railroad companies and public utilities commissions, proceedings of railroad clubs and associations, maps, newspaper clippings, manuals, directories, and other reference works. The library is used extensively by men in railroading as well as by editors, students, authors, educators, researchers, business men, and even politicians.
 
 
  Does anyone know if this place is still open?
 
 
  Steve Vallee
 



Re: ASF A-3 Ride Control Truck

brianleppert@att.net
 

Demetre,

Yesterday I looked through one of Morning Sun's color guides and found two GM&O cars with 50-ton A-3 trucks:

40' box car series 21000-21999, built by AC&F June 1947. 10'-6" interior height.

40' auto (double door) car series 35300-35379, built between Dec. 1947 to Jan. '48.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., "gulf_central_ry" <argirode@...> wrote:

I recently purchased a pair of HO scale ASF A-3 trucks because I have information that they were built from mid-40s to mid 60s - which fits my era - and that the GM&O used them...


GN 51920

Dave Nelson
 

Nice image on Ebay <http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310371395880&ssPageN
ame=ADME:B:SS:US:1123> &item=310371395880&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123>



FWIW, I was told this guy sells ***negatives of .jpgs*** and not original
period negatives or copy negs. Whether that's true or not . I dunno.



Dave Nelson


Re: Cocoa Beach report

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

I will second the kudos bestowed on this recent meet by Messrs. Aley, Smith, and Welch et al. This was the meet's 12th year, and my 12th attendance.

1) The meet itself ran flawlessly and seamlessly, genuine plug-and-play by all, not the least by the efforts of Clinic Organizer and Major Domo Jeff Aley.

2) For me, the highlight of the meet is the culture of comfortable relaxed sociability and shared networking that is de rigeur. That this is amongst some of the most accomplished and respected of all modelers adds to the luster. This pervades almost every nook and cranny of the hotel during waking hours, and it also tumbles right out into the sunshine enhanced by the pleasant background sounds of surf and birds). There is a minimum of strutting, and a maximum of good old fashioned self-effacing modeling excellence. That many of the vendors were also participants and superb modelers as well as vendors was only additive.

3) The hotel is superbly maintained, and it is obvious that the management and staff value our presence. I had more than one staff comment that "they all looked forward to this meet". After some years of so-so food (at best), which too often was also overpriced, the food this year was excellent (excellent!) IMHO. The buffet breakfast was just about all one could expect (to-order omelette station, superb grits, tasty sausages, fresh-squeezed orange juice, not-bad coffee, reasonable price). Ditto for lunch. For the first time, the hotel also had the buffet on Sunday (the morning of departure), and it was well attended.

I personally heard not one food complaint.

4) Having the large display and vendor room open the entire meet continues to be a major feature. It was always full of attendees yakking, looking, yakking some more, sharing lies (not me), etc. I can only absorb so much when invidiously inspecting the gathered finished models, and it was so nice to be able to pop in at my leisure to look at a few more, etc.

5) Bill Schneider's lovely sample Rapido 36' reefers were a big draw, and my order for a bunch of the Tobin cars is in the hopper. However, the reefers were somewhat in the shadow of a display of Rapido's new ten car CANADIAN replete with FP-9s. This train may be the very finest of all such passenger model productions yet, radiating a hazarding siren call to the most deep-dyed suceptable and unsuspecting freight car aficionado, who prior to seeing this superb HO train, might not have even known that Canada had such beautiful trains, or perhaps that Canada had railroads, or that there were even passenger trains!

6) Greg Martin's Take'Shake once again drew an enthusiastic audience. This year's project is an SP rebuilt USRA boxcar- pretty neat. At last opportunity arises for me to make use of an unopened quarts of SP boxcar paint that was given to me some 30 years ago from a cache found in the Sacramento Shops. I am musing just how I might actually apply this paint through my airbrush!

6) The Door Prize drawing Saturday night was again seriously flawed. Despite holding an unprecedented number of tickets - including Mont Switzer's who had to make an "exit of necessity"- before it was over, none of my numbers were called, i.e. zero, nada, nein, non, zip, nothing. This was my 12th year of such miserable failure; and I will certainly be speaking to Mike about this disgrace, and how it can be rectified for next year. Har-rumph!

Denny















3)
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Information Sorce

Steve Vallee
 

Dear Group...
 
   I found something that might be helpful to modelers. While looking through the October, 1954 issue of Railroad Magazine, I spotted this Q&A on page 43:
 
 
  Q)... Where can I find a library specializing in railroad subjects?
 
  A)...If you ever visit Washington, D. C., you could use the world's largest transportation library, which is maintained by the Bureau of Railway Economics, Association of American Railroads, in the Transportation Building. Here you will find, in addition to technical and historical information, special collections of documentary material. Included are Government reports, files of American and foreign periodicals, including "Railroad Magazine," annual statements of railroad companies and public utilities commissions, proceedings of railroad clubs and associations, maps, newspaper clippings, manuals, directories, and other reference works. The library is used extensively by men in railroading as well as by editors, students, authors, educators, researchers, business men, and even politicians.
 
 
  Does anyone know if this place is still open?
 
 
  Steve Vallee
 

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Union RR 6000-6999 & 9000-9999 gondolas

Bill Welch
 

I started cleaning up the castings on the F&C Union RR gon I
purchased this past weekend. The clean up is pretty easy, the main
item being the top cord of the ends and sides. There is plenty of
room on the underside for squares of lead sheet. The separate end
sills once they are cleaned up fit well onto the ends and also
provide a cavity for weight. The bolsters are well done parts also.

I prefer to work from in-service photos when I can and I am wondering
if anyone knows if there are any of these available from any of the
usual suspects. I completely forgot to check w/Bob's, Jay W., Mike
Gruber or John LaRue at the Beach and I am hoping someone was smarter
than I was or has examples in their collections that will direct me
to a source.

Thank you!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: Prototype Rails 2012 Report

Clark Propst
 

I talked to Stan on the phone today and he comfirmed that Jeff screwed up : )
We say thanks for the kind words (Stan and I) on his presentation. I did the Power Point show for him, beings he doesn't have a computer.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:

Stan Rydarowicz's clinic on Wabash panel-side hoppers was poorly attended because I screwed up. Stan was not actually a "last minute substitution"; he was part of the original plans. But I messed up and left him off the schedule, an error that wasn't detected until the day before the meet. Fortunately (?) we had a cancellation, so Stan was able to give his clinic. But I fear that most folks did not know about it, and therefore attendance was poor.

I am very sorry that this happened, and I will make every effort to avoid similar problems in the future. I know Stan worked very hard on his presentation and I'm sure he was disappointed in what APPEARED to be a lack of interest - again, caused by me not ensuring everyone knew about the clinic beforehand.

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bruce F. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:39 PM

To add to your list of clinics, I enjoyed Stan R's clinic on panel side
hopper - attendance was small as it was a last minute substitution, but
it was excellent.




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Re: Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Stuart

The 1947 and 1948 CB&Q ORER's listed 40 box cars U.S.A. #24167-24210. The footnote stated "individual numbers of cars marked "U.S.A." operated under lease by C., B. & Q. R. R.. These cars are not included in total of C., B. & Q." and then it listed 24167, 24169-24182, 24184-24188, 24190-24195, and 24197-24210. The cars were 36' 6" inside length so they were certainly not CB&Q cars.

It is believed that these were listed solely to enable them to be used in interchange rather than being an actual lease.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Stuart A. Forsyth
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:39 PM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars LIST
Subject: [STMFC] Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II





As you know, I am preparing a clinic for the February 18th SFRH&MS Mini-Meet
regarding the Chemical Warfare Service's San Bernardino Bomb Plant and the
Rialto Back-Up Ammunition Storage Point east of San Bernardino, CA during
World War II.

Does anyone have or know where I could locate rosters of US Army or US Navy
boxcars that would have been in use during World War II (1941-1945).

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide and . . . Happy New
Year!

Best wishes,

Stuart

Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@... <mailto:forsyth%40usa.net>


Re: Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II

Steve SANDIFER
 

This is later, but the July 1950 Register lists:
Dept. of Army
CWSX, USAX, USOX, USQX
135 Flat
497 Box
22 Gondola
24 hopper
3396 tank

USNX (Navy)
1304 Box
82 Flat
4 Hopper
316 tank

Atomic Energy Commission, ATMX
10 Box
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Sexton
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:32 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II



Stuart,

I have been researching WWII and the shipment of war materials, including
munitions, for a number of years and I've never seen a listing of the US
Army or Navy boxcars in service during WWII. Any photos I've seen of boxcars
arriving at military bases during that time show boxcars owned by the
railroads.

I just checked my January 1942 ORER and the War Department listed 1694
tankcars of which 286 were helium tankcars, but no boxcars. The Navy listed
one 43' OSL boxcar and a few tankcars. I have been told by a couple of
people that were responsible for shipping munitions to the ports for
shipment overseas during Vietnam that the military had obtained quite a few
boxcars during WWII. Based on the boxcars that showed up shipside during
Vietnam, most of those boxcars were not new cars in WWII.

Hopefully, someone on the list has a 1945 or 46 ORER and can tell you what
boxcars are listed for the Navy and War Department. I'll be surprised if
they were listed in the ORERs before that. Based on feedback, I believe that
the military bought quite a few boxcars during the war so they could load
the cars and hold them at depots around the country waiting for the Navy
ships to show up for re-supply and the merchant ships to take on loads to
carry to the allies. Good luck with your research and I'd appreciate
feedback on what you find.

Larry Sexton

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Stuart A. Forsyth
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:39 PM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars LIST
Subject: [STMFC] Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II

As you know, I am preparing a clinic for the February 18th SFRH&MS Mini-Meet
regarding the Chemical Warfare Service's San Bernardino Bomb Plant and the
Rialto Back-Up Ammunition Storage Point east of San Bernardino, CA during
World War II.

Does anyone have or know where I could locate rosters of US Army or US Navy
boxcars that would have been in use during World War II (1941-1945).

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide and . . . Happy New
Year!

Best wishes,

Stuart

Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@... <mailto:forsyth%40usa.net>


Re: Rapido Meat Reefers

Bruce Smith
 

Brian,

Bill Schneider was there with decorated samples He had just returned
from the factory in China. I believe that there will likely be another
test shot out of the mold before production begins and then they have to
get a production slot at the factory, which will be producing the
Canadian models first. All that adds up to a few months at the least.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

"Brian Carlson" <prrk41361@...> 01/10/12 9:59 PM >>>
I noted Rapido was supposed to be at Cocoa Beach, any update on the ETA
of
the GARX Meat Reefers?



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY









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Re: Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II

Bruce Smith
 

The paucity of military house cars in the ORER is most likely because
they were not in interchange service. As noted earlier, munitions were
delivered to military bases on common carrier cars and then were stored
and moved around those bases at times in military owned boxcars.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

"al_brown03" <abrown@...> 01/10/12 9:55 PM >>>
Similarly, the 1/43 ORER War Department listing shows 2475 tank cars but
no boxcars. The Navy Department listing shows one boxcar, four flats,
and 129 tank cars.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "Larry Sexton" <SSEXTON9@...> wrote:

Stuart,



I have been researching WWII and the shipment of war materials,
including
munitions, for a number of years and I've never seen a listing of the
US
Army or Navy boxcars in service during WWII. Any photos I've seen of
boxcars
arriving at military bases during that time show boxcars owned by the
railroads.



I just checked my January 1942 ORER and the War Department listed 1694
tankcars of which 286 were helium tankcars, but no boxcars. The Navy
listed
one 43' OSL boxcar and a few tankcars. I have been told by a couple of
people that were responsible for shipping munitions to the ports for
shipment overseas during Vietnam that the military had obtained quite
a few
boxcars during WWII. Based on the boxcars that showed up shipside
during
Vietnam, most of those boxcars were not new cars in WWII.



Hopefully, someone on the list has a 1945 or 46 ORER and can tell you
what
boxcars are listed for the Navy and War Department. I'll be surprised
if
they were listed in the ORERs before that. Based on feedback, I
believe that
the military bought quite a few boxcars during the war so they could
load
the cars and hold them at depots around the country waiting for the
Navy
ships to show up for re-supply and the merchant ships to take on loads
to
carry to the allies. Good luck with your research and I'd appreciate
feedback on what you find.



Larry Sexton



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf
Of
Stuart A. Forsyth
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:39 PM
To: Steam Era Freight Cars LIST
Subject: [STMFC] Rosters of US Army or Navy boxcars during WW II





As you know, I am preparing a clinic for the February 18th SFRH&MS
Mini-Meet
regarding the Chemical Warfare Service's San Bernardino Bomb Plant and
the
Rialto Back-Up Ammunition Storage Point east of San Bernardino, CA
during
World War II.

Does anyone have or know where I could locate rosters of US Army or US
Navy
boxcars that would have been in use during World War II (1941-1945).

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide and . . . Happy
New
Year!

Best wishes,

Stuart

Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@... <mailto:forsyth%40usa.net>











------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links


Rapido Meat Reefers

Brian Carlson
 

I noted Rapido was supposed to be at Cocoa Beach, any update on the ETA of
the GARX Meat Reefers?



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

88721 - 88740 of 194713