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Re: What is the best way to represent the PS hydra-cushion underframe on a 40' PS-1

Tim O'Connor
 

Ray

For the draft gear, the easiest solution may be Details West #1025.
This is 'near scale' metal cushioned draft gear designed to take the
Kadee scale whisker couplers.

The X48 cars didn't ride any higher than other PS-1's as far as I can tell.

James' article may include drawings, I don't know. I used another article
to simulate a PS sliding center-sill underframe (a much later design than
the X48) -- simulated by building deeper crossbearers as seen here
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/models/oconnor/mi96618main.html
(The car was placed on a scanner so the image is kinda 'fisheyed') I've
looked for a good straight-on side photo of an X48, but no luck - They
were very rare cars!

Tim O'Connor

Mainline Modeler had an article by James Kinkaid on these PRR X48 cars in the
January issue of 2002

best regards
Bernd

You could probably use some of the DA parts to bash the side of the
draft gear, but I have no idea how to do the center sill components, and
whether the sliding part extended inward of the bolsters like the later,
longer-extending versions. Because the car appears to ride higher than a
normal car, and other little detail variations between this and a
"standard" PS-1, I suspect there are a lot of differences under there!
Elden Gatwood
> I have an InterMountain Railway Company PS-1 kit lettered for the
> P.R.R. as their number 47019.
> http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=129070039


Re: Dreadnaught Ends

Jim Hayes
 

Sorry George, Sunshine does not sell parts.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM, George Corral <g.corral@insightbb.com>wrote:

**


Hi all,

I'm trying to convert a Sunshine Models SP B-50-14 box car with composite
ends to one with 4/5 dreadnaught ends. Has anyone done this conversion?

Does anyone know if Sunshine Models sell these parts separately and their
cost?

If they don't sell these parts separately, then does anyone know if the
Detail Associates #6235 4/5 dreadnaught box car ends fit or work with this
particular Sunshine kit?

Thanks a whole bunch.

George



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Youngstown Door help

Rich C
 

Gentlemen, I have one of these cars under construction, the SAL 1937 box car converted to clay service. My question, Does anyone offer this style of Youngstown door? I checked many resources (including Southwest Scale Productions) to no avail. It does not have the splice plates, but has the reinforced bottom panel and centered door latches.
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sal/sal13088ajs.jpg
 
Thanks,
 
Rich Christie

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Dreadnaught Ends

George Corral <g.corral@...>
 

Hi all,

I'm trying to convert a Sunshine Models SP B-50-14 box car with composite ends to one with 4/5 dreadnaught ends. Has anyone done this conversion?

Does anyone know if Sunshine Models sell these parts separately and their cost?

If they don't sell these parts separately, then does anyone know if the Detail Associates #6235 4/5 dreadnaught box car ends fit or work with this particular Sunshine kit?

Thanks a whole bunch.

George


Re: [SPAM] La Salle & Bureau County Railroad

Armand Premo
 

Bruce,the decals arrived today.Thank you very much.I plan to keep them.I'll send payment in tomorrow's mail.It would be helpful to have a source showing the placement of the lettering.Many thanks,Armand

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Brantner
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [SPAM][STMFC] La Salle & Bureau County Railroad



The LS&BC Railroad also had several tank cars; four that I have been able to account for. Unfortunately the tank cars were being used as stationary storage units when I photo graphed them, as a result they did not have trucks or couplers on them. Members of the LS&BC model railroad club have found written evidence that the LS&BC did have a few home road covered hoppers, but I have not been able to find a photo. The LS&BC club had some decals made up for the railroad rolling stock. I have a few sets left for anyone that might be interested. Contact me at brucebrantner@sbcglobal.net.


Bruce R. Brantner, Sr.
Coyote Trails R R


Re: What is the best way to represent the PS hydra-cushion underframe on a 40' PS-1

Peter Ness
 

Hi Elden,

When you write; "not like the later Hydra-Cushion underframes used on the G41's and X58's and such.
I have not found a model of it."

This means the Cal Scale part 190-301 may be correct for the C41's and X58;s but not the X29E or X48 (car in question)?
http://bowser-trains.com/hoother/calscale/Cal-Scale-Frt-Cars3.jpg

I thought the Cal Scale part was correct for late 50's Hydra-Cushion draft gear. I am not familiar with the Details West part originally mentioned.

Thanks,
Peter Ness

----- Original Message -----
From: rayteabow
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 2:03 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: What is the best way to represent the PS hydra-cushion underframe on a 40' PS-1



Thanks Eldon for your speedy reply
Ray Thibaut

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
>
> Ray;
>
>
>
> I have not found the drawing for this underframe, but it is a rubber
> cushioned model also used on the X29E, not like the later Hydra-Cushion
> underframes used on the G41's and X58's and such. I have not found a model of
> it. You could probably use some of the DA parts to bash the side of the
> draft gear, but I have no idea how to do the center sill components, and
> whether the sliding part extended inward of the bolsters like the later,
> longer-extending versions. Because the car appears to ride higher than a
> normal car, and other little detail variations between this and a
>
> "standard" PS-1, I suspect there are a lot of differences under there!
>
>
>
> Elden Gatwood
>
>
>
>
>
> From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> rayteabow
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:07 PM
> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [STMFC] What is the best way to represent the PS hydra-cushion
> underframe on a 40' PS-1
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi my name is Ray Thibaut (pronounced tea-bow)and I have been lurking on this
> list for some time. I have an InterMountain Railway Company PS-1 kit lettered
> for the P.R.R. as their number 47019. I understand from a little background
> reading that these cars were built with PS's Cushioned Underframe.
> Unfortunately that part is not included in this otherwise beautiful kit. Can
> this be represented with a part like Details West number 1009? Is their a
> better part available that I'm not aware of? I realize I'm pushing the Steam
> Era a little bit, but I hope you will forgive me. I know the Steam Era ended
> on the Pennsy in Nov.1957 and these cars were built in 2-54 according to the
> lettering on the kit. So they were only in the steam era for less than three
> years. You can see a photo of this car in P.R.R. Color Guide Vol. 2,page 50.
> There is an online photo at
> http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=129070039 but you
> have to register for free.
> Thanks Ray T.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


Westerfield Models returns

Bill Welch
 

I received the following message from Andrew Dahm, the new owner of
Westerfield Models, this PM--Bill Welch

Dear Modeler:

Welcome to 2012, the 30th year of Westerfield Models! After
completing the sale, we transported the business across the country
to Golden, Colorado in late November. We have since been busy
unpacking, setting up and preparing for business. Purchasing
Westerfield Models is an exciting opportunity for us and we look
forward to serving the model railroad community.

We have started up production, working first on orders transferred
from Al Westerfield. Please bear with us as the process has been
delayed by many items being out of stock and a fair amount of rubber
molds needing replacement. As we catch up with these issues,
production will pick up, however, no new orders will be accepted
until the transferred orders have been filled.

As part of the purchase agreement, samples of our kits were sent to
Al Westerfield for his approval. He has sent the following statement:

"The new owner of Westerfield Models has submitted several kits for
my inspection. The castings were excellent and all the parts decals
and instructions were present. I have no hesitation in recommending
the kits. Andrew Dahm is continuing the quality you have come to
expect from the Westerfield line of model railroad products."

We are committed to maintaining the high quality products you have
come to expect from Westefield Models. We will, however, have to
initiate price increases on our products and shipping due to the
increasing costs of materials and transport. Please note that these
price increases apply only to new orders and that we will do
everything possible to keep these to a minimum.

We will begin shipping transferred orders this week, with more orders
shipping the last week of January. The Westerfield Models Website is
still active for viewing of kit information and photographs, although
no new orders are being accepted at this time. You may contact us
through the website or at westerfieldmodels@gmail.com.

Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfield Models, LLC
westerfieldmodels.com
westerfieldmodels@gmail.com


Re: Bureau of Railway Economics, was: Information Source

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

jim_mischke wrote:
With the merger consolidations, the AAR has been dying a slow death for 20 years, and their libary has been shedding most of the holdings to free up floor space for staff or lease reduction. Often by who knows who.
At one time, the AAR maintained a set of ALL the minutes of the Car Construction Committee meetings dating back into the 1920s. This was the committee which oversaw the decisions about standards, vetted new car designs, and had major input to the AAR Manual. In the 1990s, they decided to "de-access" the material, and dumped the entire archive, apparently not donating any of it.
I've been told that the once-extensive AAR library has also been severely pruned, as Jim says.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Bureau of Railway Economics, was: Information Source

Jim Mischke
 

No. The Bureau of Railway Economics Library is defunct.

Their holdings were scattered. In various libraries across this country, I find "Bureau of Railway Economics Library" stamped in gold on the spine of bound volumes, thousands of miles away from DC.

Many Bureau holdings did go to the Association of American Railroads libary. They still have offices in DC. With the merger consolidations, the AAR has been dying a slow death for 20 years, and their libary has been shedding most of the holdings to free up floor space for staff or lease reduction. Often by who knows who. One departing AAR staff member vectored the AAR photo archive to the museum in Roanoke. It was shipped in alphabetical order, and stopped partway through by remaining staff. Don't know what happened after that.

Another vast railroading library dispersed to the four winds was the Crerar libary in Chicago. Still exists on the University of Chicago campus. Still with some railroad content. But not like it did many decades ago. Again, I find their bound volumes scattered everywhere.

The Interstate Commerce Commission had a vast library. When their scope was scaled back and they were renamed the Surface Transportation Board, they donated their library to the University of Denver. Completely unprepared for this windfall, that library has mostly been kept this accession in deep storage. Last time I checked, much of it was still on shrink wrapped pallets.

Looking for something positive ....

One sleeper source is the New York Public Library. When all the various technical and financial societies headquartered in New York closed their own libraries over the years, they conveyed their books to the NYPL. Source materials back to the 1830's.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Steve Vallee <stvvallee@...> wrote:

Dear Group...
 
   I found something that might be helpful to modelers. While looking through the October, 1954 issue of Railroad Magazine, I spotted this Q&A on page 43:
 
 
  Q)... Where can I find a library specializing in railroad subjects?
 
  A)...If you ever visit Washington, D. C., you could use the world's largest transportation library, which is maintained by the Bureau of Railway Economics, Association of American Railroads, in the Transportation Building. Here you will find, in addition to technical and historical information, special collections of documentary material. Included are Government reports, files of American and foreign periodicals, including "Railroad Magazine," annual statements of railroad companies and public utilities commissions, proceedings of railroad clubs and associations, maps, newspaper clippings, manuals, directories, and other reference works. The library is used extensively by men in railroading as well as by editors, students, authors, educators, researchers, business men, and even politicians.
 
 
  Does anyone know if this place is still open?
 
 
  Steve Vallee
 



Re: What is the best way to represent the PS hydra-cushion underframe on a 40' PS-1

Bernd Schroeder
 

Mainline Modeler had an article by James Kinkaid on these cars in the January issue of 2002


best regards

Bernd

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:54 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] What is the best way to represent the PS hydra-cushion underframe on a 40' PS-1


Ray;



I have not found the drawing for this underframe, but it is a rubber
cushioned model also used on the X29E, not like the later Hydra-Cushion
underframes used on the G41's and X58's and such. I have not found a model of
it. You could probably use some of the DA parts to bash the side of the
draft gear, but I have no idea how to do the center sill components, and
whether the sliding part extended inward of the bolsters like the later,
longer-extending versions. Because the car appears to ride higher than a
normal car, and other little detail variations between this and a

"standard" PS-1, I suspect there are a lot of differences under there!



Elden Gatwood





From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
rayteabow
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:07 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] What is the best way to represent the PS hydra-cushion
underframe on a 40' PS-1





Hi my name is Ray Thibaut (pronounced tea-bow)and I have been lurking on this
list for some time. I have an InterMountain Railway Company PS-1 kit lettered
for the P.R.R. as their number 47019. I understand from a little background
reading that these cars were built with PS's Cushioned Underframe.
Unfortunately that part is not included in this otherwise beautiful kit. Can
this be represented with a part like Details West number 1009? Is their a
better part available that I'm not aware of? I realize I'm pushing the Steam
Era a little bit, but I hope you will forgive me. I know the Steam Era ended
on the Pennsy in Nov.1957 and these cars were built in 2-54 according to the
lettering on the kit. So they were only in the steam era for less than three
years. You can see a photo of this car in P.R.R. Color Guide Vol. 2,page 50.
There is an online photo at
http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=129070039 but you
have to register for free.
Thanks Ray T.








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Re: What is the best way to represent the PS hydra-cushion underframe on a 40' PS-1

Ray Thibaut
 

Thanks Eldon for your speedy reply
Ray Thibaut

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Ray;



I have not found the drawing for this underframe, but it is a rubber
cushioned model also used on the X29E, not like the later Hydra-Cushion
underframes used on the G41's and X58's and such. I have not found a model of
it. You could probably use some of the DA parts to bash the side of the
draft gear, but I have no idea how to do the center sill components, and
whether the sliding part extended inward of the bolsters like the later,
longer-extending versions. Because the car appears to ride higher than a
normal car, and other little detail variations between this and a

"standard" PS-1, I suspect there are a lot of differences under there!



Elden Gatwood





From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
rayteabow
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:07 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] What is the best way to represent the PS hydra-cushion
underframe on a 40' PS-1





Hi my name is Ray Thibaut (pronounced tea-bow)and I have been lurking on this
list for some time. I have an InterMountain Railway Company PS-1 kit lettered
for the P.R.R. as their number 47019. I understand from a little background
reading that these cars were built with PS's Cushioned Underframe.
Unfortunately that part is not included in this otherwise beautiful kit. Can
this be represented with a part like Details West number 1009? Is their a
better part available that I'm not aware of? I realize I'm pushing the Steam
Era a little bit, but I hope you will forgive me. I know the Steam Era ended
on the Pennsy in Nov.1957 and these cars were built in 2-54 according to the
lettering on the kit. So they were only in the steam era for less than three
years. You can see a photo of this car in P.R.R. Color Guide Vol. 2,page 50.
There is an online photo at
http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=129070039 but you
have to register for free.
Thanks Ray T.





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Re: Cocoa Beach Photos Posted

George Hollwedel
 

Thanks Dave!


Prototype N Scale Models (TM)
by George Hollwedel
2108 Buffalo Tundra Dr
Austin, TX 78754-5960
512-579-0539
http://www.micro-trains.com/hollwedel.php
http://www.atlasrr.com/special.htm
http://intermountain-railway.com/n/sr/nsr.htm
http://www.bluford-shops.com/bluford_93_014.htm


________________________________
From: dh30973 <dhussey@cannonandco.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:36 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Cocoa Beach Photos Posted

Here are the pictures from this years meet.

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/cocoa2012&page=all

Dave Hussey



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Re: What is the best way to represent the PS hydra-cushion underframe on a 40' PS-1

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Ray;



I have not found the drawing for this underframe, but it is a rubber
cushioned model also used on the X29E, not like the later Hydra-Cushion
underframes used on the G41's and X58's and such. I have not found a model of
it. You could probably use some of the DA parts to bash the side of the
draft gear, but I have no idea how to do the center sill components, and
whether the sliding part extended inward of the bolsters like the later,
longer-extending versions. Because the car appears to ride higher than a
normal car, and other little detail variations between this and a

"standard" PS-1, I suspect there are a lot of differences under there!



Elden Gatwood





From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
rayteabow
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:07 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] What is the best way to represent the PS hydra-cushion
underframe on a 40' PS-1





Hi my name is Ray Thibaut (pronounced tea-bow)and I have been lurking on this
list for some time. I have an InterMountain Railway Company PS-1 kit lettered
for the P.R.R. as their number 47019. I understand from a little background
reading that these cars were built with PS's Cushioned Underframe.
Unfortunately that part is not included in this otherwise beautiful kit. Can
this be represented with a part like Details West number 1009? Is their a
better part available that I'm not aware of? I realize I'm pushing the Steam
Era a little bit, but I hope you will forgive me. I know the Steam Era ended
on the Pennsy in Nov.1957 and these cars were built in 2-54 according to the
lettering on the kit. So they were only in the steam era for less than three
years. You can see a photo of this car in P.R.R. Color Guide Vol. 2,page 50.
There is an online photo at
http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=129070039 but you
have to register for free.
Thanks Ray T.


Re: Sandblasting booth...

jerryglow2
 

To affirm the usefulness of a booth, I've been blasting cara and sub assemblies for years a I have a commercial booth from my days as a custom painter. It's great for evening out and cleaning up all sorts of imperfections. I recently did some ART cars with the little guards in the corners. Cleaning up after gluing was a simple matter as was cleaning end details. http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/ART_steel_reefers.html

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:

Ted Culotta's Essential Freight Car articles convinced me that sandblasting
the metal parts of resin freight cars before painting would be a worthwhile
idea. Doing it outside in the wind worked but was messy so I finally built
my own sandblasting booth. At one time, there were some photos in the STMFC
files of one built by someone else on this list but by the time I decided to
build my own, they had apparently been deleted although I followed the same
basic idea. My booth was simple to build and cheap...an article on it is in
the new (February) issue of RMC for those interested...


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com






Cocoa Beach Photos Posted

dh30973
 

Here are the pictures from this years meet.

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/cocoa2012&page=all

Dave Hussey


What is the best way to represent the PS hydra-cushion underframe on a 40' PS-1

Ray Thibaut
 

Hi my name is Ray Thibaut (pronounced tea-bow)and I have been lurking on this list for some time. I have an InterMountain Railway Company PS-1 kit lettered for the P.R.R. as their number 47019. I understand from a little background reading that these cars were built with PS's Cushioned Underframe. Unfortunately that part is not included in this otherwise beautiful kit. Can this be represented with a part like Details West number 1009? Is their a better part available that I'm not aware of? I realize I'm pushing the Steam Era a little bit, but I hope you will forgive me. I know the Steam Era ended on the Pennsy in Nov.1957 and these cars were built in 2-54 according to the lettering on the kit. So they were only in the steam era for less than three years. You can see a photo of this car in P.R.R. Color Guide Vol. 2,page 50. There is an online photo at http://www.billspennsyphotos.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=129070039 but you have to register for free.
Thanks Ray T.


Sandblasting booth...

Jack Burgess
 

Ted Culotta's Essential Freight Car articles convinced me that sandblasting
the metal parts of resin freight cars before painting would be a worthwhile
idea. Doing it outside in the wind worked but was messy so I finally built
my own sandblasting booth. At one time, there were some photos in the STMFC
files of one built by someone else on this list but by the time I decided to
build my own, they had apparently been deleted although I followed the same
basic idea. My booth was simple to build and cheap...an article on it is in
the new (February) issue of RMC for those interested...


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Roping Staples/Towing Loops

arved_grass
 

Our list owner informed me that, in violation of the group rules, I've failed too sign my full name to my posts. I apologize for the oversight.

I am,

Arved G. Grass
Fleming Island, FL
(suburb of Jacksonville)


Re: Roping Staples/Towing Loops

arved_grass
 

Thanks Bruce.

I have recently joined the PRRPro yahoo group. Although I'm not a Pennsy modeler, I've finally given in to the fact that no matter what railroad one models, one must have some Pennsy models. They were just too common a foreign road car to ignore. And if I'm going to model them, I'm going to model them right!

I thought I was loosing my mind with these. I've known about their use on modern freight cars, but have only recently learned of their use on steam era freight cars. It made sense to me that they'd be on cars that would frequently have to be moved around manually, like hoppers and gondolas, esp. in the days before trackmobiles. :-)

But then I started seeing them on other cars, including steam era box cars. Tony Thompson pointed out the roping staples on the "Shake and Take" SP B-50-12-A, for instance.

I would have mentioned this on the PRRPro group, but I did a search for roping staples, towing loops, and many other terms I could think of to describe these and came up empty handed! OTOH, they've been discussed here on this forum fairly frequently, so I thought it best to bring up the topic here.

All the best,
- Arved
Modeling the Southern Pacific
From AC-4s to AC4400CWs

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Arved,

A couple of issues,

First, regarding roping or towing staples. I would call them common, but not uniform. That said, the type of car matters and they were uncommon at best on PRR boxcars. Neither photo you reference appear to show them, which is good as I did not model them on my X31s. They were more common on cars such as hoppers. Additionally, the newer the car, or the rebuild of the car, the less likely I think you will be to find them. They may either extend out horizontally from or be placed vertically under the side sill near the bolster. Most typically (but not always) they appear to be a semicircular fitting of steel rod.

Second, for a detailed discussion of modeling the X31 and indeed the X31F underbody details, see the archives of the PRRPro yahoo group. Underbody drawings are posted to the FILES section of that group as well. You must join to see these, but heck, then you can post photos and comments on your progress there too!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL (and PRRPro list owner)


On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Arved wrote:

I'm trying to educate myself about these details to improve my modelbuilding skills. I'm finding it difficult to find them on some photos, which in turn makes it more difficult to model them.

Reviewing some of the messages here, some cars only have them on one end on each side. Others?

Here's a "builders photo" of a PRR X31F (I've ordered a Bowser undec):

http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=BuildersPhotos/X31f_81538_B34_BillLane.jpg&fr=clX31

Since that will likely be chopped:
http://tinyurl.com/85cwzpw

There are many other photos, but I chose this due to the relative clarity of the underframe.

I don't see them/it. The roping staples that is.

I know I'm supposed to be looking for something near the bolster. That makes sense, as you need to transfer the towing loads. I've found that the AAR specification was that you could tow 6 cars up a 1% grade by the roping staple.

But photos of this, and of the PRR X26C (I brought home an F&C kit of this one) that I've found:

http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=BuildersPhotos/X26c_E15689_Side_BillLane.jpg&fr=clX26

(shorter version): http://tinyurl.com/78wvrha

cause me to question: were these a common or required feature of cars? Am I just plain blind? How or why should I model something I'm just not seeing?

Thanks,
- Arved




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Re: MNRA Photo Collection viewable online

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Bill Welch writes:

It looks like Steve Priest had a hand in this project. I would swear I saw him at Cocoa Beach.
That's because you did see him...he was here. He will be doing a clinic presentation next year.

Mike Brock

86741 - 86760 of 192760