The PRR "Crown" truck used on the Bowser H22 is part 74091 and truck class 2D-F2 (50 ton) and on the H21a 2E-F2 and 2E-F2a (70 ton truck thus the journal size E).

The 2D-F8 is a 50 ton truck. Bowser part 74277, Red Caboose part 5009, Kadee part 517 and Sunshine part TM7. This truck was used under some H22 but no H21 cars. These trucks were used under FM, GLa, GLb, GLc, GLe, GLf, GLg, GP, GPa, GR, GRa, GS, GSa, GSc, GSd, H22, K7, K8, U6, XL, XLa, XLc, X23, X23a, X23b, X24, X25, X25a, X25b, X25c, X25d, X28a, X29, X29a, X30 class cars.

The ASF-3 50 ton truck was PRR classes 2D-F25, 2D-F26, 2D-F26a. These were used under X38, X40, X40a, X40b, X41, X41a and X41b class cars.

The ASF-3 70 ton truck was PRR classes 2E-F22, 2E-F22a, 2E-F22b and 2E-F22f

Rich Orr

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Dave Evans wrote:

Recommend you browse the Bowser web site for instruction sheets. The sheet for H21/H22 lists part number 74090 as a "crown" truck. 74091 is for a pair with wheels. I think this is the 2D-F8?

NO!!! The The PRR "Crown" truck is a completely different truck, class 2E-F2 Nothing at all like the 2D-F8 truck!
2E-F2 http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=2E-F2-47377.gif&sel=ftk&sz=sm&fr=
2D-F8 http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=2D-F8-E89597.gif&sel=ftk&sz=sm&fr=

Regards
Bruce

Thanks Bruce,

So has Bowser ever made the 2D-F8 truck?

Dave Evans

Guys

Try the WAYBACK MACHINE :-) Quite a few of the pages are archived here.

http://web.archive.org/web/20110716134240/http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/gallerynewmain.html

Tim O'Connor

Hi Clark,

A modified version of New Haven boxcars based on the web site list is on the "New Haven Freight Cars" page on my website about halfway down. This table is based on the original by Ed Hawkins on the Steam Era Freight Car site. I've added a bit of information and a few notes to the list. You or your friend are more than welcome to contact me if there are still questions.

http://newhavenrailroad1959.webs.com/newhavenfreightcars.htm

Regards,
Peter Ness

A friend wanted to send the data sheets for the AAR and PS1 box cars. What luck!
I believe they we compiled by Ed Hawkins. Are they posted anywhere else?
I looked in the group files, but easily could have missed them.

He's interested in New Haven box cars in the orange schemes.

Clark Propst

Looks like the domain has expired. Sad to see this resource go away..

Bill Schneider

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To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Steam freight cars website


I just tried to look at something on the (originally Ted Culotta’s ) website and things have changed. Is it just me seeing the new {useless) format?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

I just tried to look at something on the (originally Ted Culotta’s ) website and things have changed. Is it just me seeing the new {useless) format?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Clark,

Excellent question. Using P2K tanks with these vents is not completely accurate. Since the type 21 tank had dome top vents, you need to look back towards the type 11/17 tank and earlier as a place to use these vents (on an AC&F tank). My current plans are to backdate the P2K type 21 tank by removing the side/top seams/rivets and adding vertical/radial courses and archer rivets to get 10,000 gallon type 11 and type 17 tanks. The F&C tank will be modified with archer rivets to make an 8K type 17. Additionally, the type 21 dome is shorter and has a larger diameter than the earlier domes so the dome area will need to be filled and new, more appropriate domes built.

Regards
Bruce

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I did look at the website. Great product, but is it possible to fit those parts on P2K or IM tank cars?

To save wise guy remarks, of course they will fit. But, are they appropriate? In other words, what reporting marks and numbers would be accurate?

I'd love to be able to put them on plastic tank cars.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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- Interior detail
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Slightly off-topic -- it occurs to me that these paints could be sued to simulate canvas roofing on cabooses and older passenger cars.  Also some work equipment.  


John B. Allyn

I've posted a couple of new photos in my "Andy S freight cars" album on the photo page of this site. They show how I modified the BLI bolster to install Tahoe Model Works trucks, and a side-by-side comparison of the original and TMW trucks. With a bolster height of .160" I didn't need to adjust the coupler height, but that adjustment would be possible with the modified bolster.

So long,

Andy

Krylon has a group of paint colors they call “multicolor textured” that leave a speckled rough surface, almost like fine sandpaper. I bought the tan color yesterday to try on some autumn trees but, I’m sure it has many other applications around my layout. They also have a dark brown in the same line that might work for the “rough casting”look.
Another Krylon product group that I find useful are their “Camouflage Colors; non-reflective nature color”. These paints are dead flat and available in tan, dark brown, dark green and black. I’ve also bled off some of these paints into a smaller container and used them in one of my airbrushes when I needed more control. They work just as well by that method also, especially for model rail cars or vehicles.
Dave Lawler
Avon Lake, Ohio

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On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Dave Evans wrote:

Recommend you browse the Bowser web site for instruction sheets. The sheet for H21/H22 lists part number 74090 as a "crown" truck. 74091 is for a pair with wheels. I think this is the 2D-F8?

NO!!! The The PRR "Crown" truck is a completely different truck, class 2E-F2 Nothing at all like the 2D-F8 truck!
2E-F2 http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=2E-F2-47377.gif&sel=ftk&sz=sm&fr=
2D-F8 http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=2D-F8-E89597.gif&sel=ftk&sz=sm&fr=

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "john66h" <john66h@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brian" <brianleppert@> wrote:

Does Bowser still make their 2D-F8 trucks? These were included in Bowser's 70-ton covered hopper kit I bought 14 years ago, and the instruction sheet called them out as part #74277. Bowser now describes #74277 as an AAR 70-ton truck.

Is #74277 still the 2D-F8 truck, just mislabeled by Bowser?

Several years ago (2007 to be exact) I was told by Lee English (via email) that the 74277 trucks are the ones that resemble a 70t ASF A-3 - the former Stewart Models truck. But I can't really trust that info...I was never sure he understood what truck I was trying to describe. I referred to it as the former Stewart Models truck, and he told me they didn't have the old Stewart truck. But, when I referenced a specific model shown on their web site with that truck (PRR G39a ore jenny 691-10674) he replied that was the 74277. This is clearly the former Stewart Models truck, packaged with all of my ATSF triple hoppers.

They are listed as in-stock here if you want to take a chance:

http://www.bowserorders.com/.sc/ms/cat/HO%20Bowser%20Parts/25


John Hile

Gentlemen,

Recommend you browse the Bowser web site for instruction sheets. The sheet for H21/H22 lists part number 74090 as a "crown" truck. 74091 is for a pair with wheels. I think this is the 2D-F8?

The stewart truck part number 279 is shown under both the G39 and the 70 ton hopper. The Bowser web site also lists the Stewart parts, and 279 is described as a 70 Ton roller bearing truck, but the picture shown is a plain bearing truck.

I think Lee may have lost configuration control of his web site....

Anyone have a secret decoder ring for Bowser truck part numbers?

Dave Evans

Ron Merrick wrote:

In HO scale? The surface roughness of steel castings probably would disappear. I'd grant you, an oxidized steel casting is pretty flat (non-gloss) in surface appearance, unless there are oil stains on it from rough machining in which case those areas are semi-glossy.

I agree with Ron. The 1:35 armor guys do work at getting that "as-cast" look, but in HO scale I don't think you would see it.

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Plasticote automobile primer will do this. Spray at about twice the recommended distance, with light coats.

Aaron

In HO scale? The surface roughness of steel castings probably would disappear. I'd grant you, an oxidized steel casting is pretty flat (non-gloss) in surface appearance, unless there are oil stains on it from rough machining in which case those areas are semi-glossy.

Compare new, unpainted modern coupler heads for an example of non-machined steel surfaces.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brian" <brianleppert@...> wrote:

Does Bowser still make their 2D-F8 trucks? These were included in Bowser's 70-ton covered hopper kit I bought 14 years ago, and the instruction sheet called them out as part #74277. Bowser now describes #74277 as an AAR 70-ton truck.

Is #74277 still the 2D-F8 truck, just mislabeled by Bowser?

Several years ago (2007 to be exact) I was told by Lee English (via email) that the 74277 trucks are the ones that resemble a 70t ASF A-3 - the former Stewart Models truck. But I can't really trust that info...I was never sure he understood what truck I was trying to describe. I referred to it as the former Stewart Models truck, and he told me they didn't have the old Stewart truck. But, when I referenced a specific model shown on their web site with that truck (PRR G39a ore jenny 691-10674) he replied that was the 74277. This is clearly the former Stewart Models truck, packaged with all of my ATSF triple hoppers.

They are listed as in-stock here if you want to take a chance:

http://www.bowserorders.com/.sc/ms/cat/HO%20Bowser%20Parts/25


John Hile

Floquil, when used at very high pressure (60 psi instead of the
normal 10 psi) will hit the car dryer than usual and will produce
a nice rough finish. Dave Hussey used this effect beautifully to
simulate a tank car coated with exterior urethane foam insulation.

Tim O'Connor