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Re: Red Caboose NRC wood bodied reefer...

Bill Welch
 

Steve:

It would be helpful if you provided a link to what you are asking about.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Lucas" <stevelucas3@...> wrote:

Comments, please on the accuracy of this kit? My gut feeling tells me that it's a stand-in...

Steve Lucas.


Re: Steam freight cars website

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Problem is that Googling a specific car or car type turns up a lot of models of that car, not the prototype. And try googling any CPR car using "cpr" in the search bar.

A central repository would be nice, indeed...

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

My 2 cents:

The whole concept of a "central repository" of information flies in
the face of the "web" -- Ted put together a nice site that contained
some good information about some prototype freight cars, and models of
freight cars, and that was a good thing. I'd like to see that resource
maintained and enhanced.

But the idea of folding other sites into it doesn't make any sense to
me at all. I joined MANY Yahoo interest groups (without daily email) just
to be able to take advantage of the resources in their FILE and PHOTO
archives. Yahoo doesn't permit Google web-bots to crawl through the
groups (What a bonanza that would be for us, but probably a huge loss
to Yahoo!). But you can subscribe to a single daily email from Yahoo
that will provide links and thumbnails for any new files, photos, and
attachments sent to ANY of the groups you belong to. I find this email
helps me immensely by eliminating the need for me to crawl through the
75 or so groups I belong to, to search for new stuff.

There are THOUSANDS of valuable railroad web sites. Let Google (or Bing,
or whomever) be your librarian! Become a searchologist!

Tim O'Connor


Red Caboose NRC wood bodied reefer...

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

Comments, please on the accuracy of this kit? My gut feeling tells me that it's a stand-in...

Steve Lucas.


Re: Steam freight cars website

Rob Adams
 

Tim;

The intention isn't to have a bunch of other sites folded in, but to
have multiple contributors who would be able to post to the sections on
the Steam Freight Cars site that they are knowledgeable about. One site
with a consistent look and feel, more content, contributed by many.

Regards,

Rob Adams
Wellman, IA

On 1/21/12 3:13 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

My 2 cents:

The whole concept of a "central repository" of information flies in
the face of the "web" -- Ted put together a nice site that contained
some good information about some prototype freight cars, and models of
freight cars, and that was a good thing. I'd like to see that resource
maintained and enhanced.

But the idea of folding other sites into it doesn't make any sense to
me at all. I joined MANY Yahoo interest groups (without daily email) just
to be able to take advantage of the resources in their FILE and PHOTO
archives. Yahoo doesn't permit Google web-bots to crawl through the
groups (What a bonanza that would be for us, but probably a huge loss
to Yahoo!). But you can subscribe to a single daily email from Yahoo
that will provide links and thumbnails for any new files, photos, and
attachments sent to ANY of the groups you belong to. I find this email
helps me immensely by eliminating the need for me to crawl through the
75 or so groups I belong to, to search for new stuff.

There are THOUSANDS of valuable railroad web sites. Let Google (or Bing,
or whomever) be your librarian! Become a searchologist!

Tim O'Connor


Re: Steam freight cars website

Tim O'Connor
 

My 2 cents:

The whole concept of a "central repository" of information flies in
the face of the "web" -- Ted put together a nice site that contained
some good information about some prototype freight cars, and models of
freight cars, and that was a good thing. I'd like to see that resource
maintained and enhanced.

But the idea of folding other sites into it doesn't make any sense to
me at all. I joined MANY Yahoo interest groups (without daily email) just
to be able to take advantage of the resources in their FILE and PHOTO
archives. Yahoo doesn't permit Google web-bots to crawl through the
groups (What a bonanza that would be for us, but probably a huge loss
to Yahoo!). But you can subscribe to a single daily email from Yahoo
that will provide links and thumbnails for any new files, photos, and
attachments sent to ANY of the groups you belong to. I find this email
helps me immensely by eliminating the need for me to crawl through the
75 or so groups I belong to, to search for new stuff.

There are THOUSANDS of valuable railroad web sites. Let Google (or Bing,
or whomever) be your librarian! Become a searchologist!

Tim O'Connor


Re: Bowser PRR 2D-F8 trucks

mt19a <LarrynLynnHanlon@...>
 

Folks,

the 2D-F8 truck was included with GLa, F30, and GS kits I ordered for "mobile scenery" in Q4 2010. I just checked, and in each case it is identified on the included drawing as part # 74277 (pair of trucks) and 74286 (frame only).

On Bowser's price list currently on their web site, these numbers are identified as "AAR 70 ton truck", obviously a mismatch. I would tend to trust the number, but ... surprises are always possible.

Larry Hanlon.
Bend, OR

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce,

So has Bowser ever made the 2D-F8 truck?

Dave Evans
Dave, Folks,

Bowser has indeed made this truck as it is used under the GLa hopper, IIRC.

Bowser HO scale trucks are as follows:
2D-F8 - standard PRR freight truck and close to AR type Y, part number? used on GLa
2D-F12 - coil elliptical truck, part number 74189(truck frame), 74190(pair), used on X31, F30A (incorrect)
2E-F2 - Crown Truck, part number 74090 (truck frame), 74091(Pair), used on H21, H22
2A-F5 - Single coil cabin car truck, part number 74012(truck frame), 74013 (pair), used on N5, N5c


Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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Re: Steam freight cars website

Rob Adams
 

Nelson;

Up until this week, the URL www.steamfreightcars.com was the address.
It has apparently been down the last couple of days. I'll have it back
up soon.

Rob

On 1/21/12 2:19 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

Rob,

That is the URL for steam freight cars? A google search didn't turn up
what
I was looking for. The only relevant link was the STMFC yahoo group.

Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>] On
Behalf Of Rob
Adams
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:50 AM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Steam freight cars website

Doug;

Thanks for your message. I'll take a look and see what M&StL freight
car material is there. It sounds like the sort of content that we'd
like to incorporate. The optimal scenario, and the ultimate goal, would
be that a subject matter experts such as you or Clark (and many others)
would be set up to independently upload and contribute information
directly. Getting the site to that point will take a while, but that's
the objective.

Regards,

Rob Adams
Wellman, IA

On 1/21/12 8:26 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Rob, on the MSTL yahoo list we have accumulated a lot of material
relevant
to M&StL freight cars (all steam era as the MSTL disappeared in 1960),
which
is posted to our list. But if you are not a member of the group you
cannot
access the material. RE the Steam Era Freight Car list you maintain I
would
like to see a way to upload or share this collection of material without
having to involve you directly. Is there a way or could there be a way
I or
say Clark could upload material directly, so it could be available to
another group who may appreciate it?

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org








Re: Steam freight cars website

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Rob,



That is the URL for steam freight cars? A google search didn't turn up what
I was looking for. The only relevant link was the STMFC yahoo group.



Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Rob
Adams
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:50 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Steam freight cars website





Doug;

Thanks for your message. I'll take a look and see what M&StL freight
car material is there. It sounds like the sort of content that we'd
like to incorporate. The optimal scenario, and the ultimate goal, would
be that a subject matter experts such as you or Clark (and many others)
would be set up to independently upload and contribute information
directly. Getting the site to that point will take a while, but that's
the objective.

Regards,

Rob Adams
Wellman, IA

On 1/21/12 8:26 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Rob, on the MSTL yahoo list we have accumulated a lot of material relevant
to M&StL freight cars (all steam era as the MSTL disappeared in 1960),
which
is posted to our list. But if you are not a member of the group you cannot
access the material. RE the Steam Era Freight Car list you maintain I
would
like to see a way to upload or share this collection of material without
having to involve you directly. Is there a way or could there be a way
I or
say Clark could upload material directly, so it could be available to
another group who may appreciate it?

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org




Re: Bettendorf underframe

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 21, 2012, at 1:54 AM, Mike Calvert wrote:

I am making an SP Class B-50-6 DS boxcar with Bettendorf I-Beam
Underframe.
Other 'Harriman' roads- i.e. SP and UP subsidiaries- also installed
these
cars.
I see on Westerfield's list (#12000) that MILW had a lot of these
cars.

Can anyone help me with information on these MILW cars?
Does anyone know if any other railroad had boxcars of this type?
Mike, numerous railroads had cars built in the teens and early '20s
with Bettendorf underframes. Steve Hile, who is on this list, is the
expert on Bettendorf products and should be able to identify others
besides the MILW. I have photos and diagrams (but not scale
drawings) of the MILW cars if you can be more specific about what you
want.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Photo-etched Eyebolts

peteraue
 

Here are a few more bits of information:
The cost of the frets will be between US$ 3.- and 5.- depending on the volume because I have to recover some serious set-up cost.
Delivery time will be approximately 2 months.
Please let me know how many of each of the frets you would like to have so that I can meet your demand. I will only order as many as needed.
Peter Aue

--- In STMFC@..., "peteraue" <peteraue@...> wrote:

Several members of this group have seen the photo-etched eyebolts I designed for my own models and they have encouraged me to make them available to other members of the group. I don't want to be in the parts business but I am willing to make them available to you as a one time deal. You can find them in the files section under "eyebolts 120120.pdf". If you are interested please contact me offline.
Peter Aue


Re: Steam freight cars website

Rob Adams
 

Doug;

Thanks for your message. I'll take a look and see what M&StL freight
car material is there. It sounds like the sort of content that we'd
like to incorporate. The optimal scenario, and the ultimate goal, would
be that a subject matter experts such as you or Clark (and many others)
would be set up to independently upload and contribute information
directly. Getting the site to that point will take a while, but that's
the objective.

Regards,

Rob Adams
Wellman, IA

On 1/21/12 8:26 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Rob, on the MSTL yahoo list we have accumulated a lot of material relevant
to M&StL freight cars (all steam era as the MSTL disappeared in 1960),
which
is posted to our list. But if you are not a member of the group you cannot
access the material. RE the Steam Era Freight Car list you maintain I
would
like to see a way to upload or share this collection of material without
having to involve you directly. Is there a way or could there be a way
I or
say Clark could upload material directly, so it could be available to
another group who may appreciate it?

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org




Re: Steam freight cars website

Peter Ness
 

That's great Ashley. About 30 years ago a hobby magazine I won't name featured an article on the layout of a prodigious New Haven modeler who is focused firmly in the Steam Era in the late '40's. To the title of the article, the magazine attached the post-script; "A Seldom Modeled Railroad". The one sentence fragment alone may have inspired and motivated many semi-interested New Haven Modelers to bigger and better things in their individual efforts. It was of course, back in unenlightened times when parts of the hobby press did not recognize that some modelers understood that when modeling a prototype there was such a thing as interchange, and New Haven freight equipment stood as good a chance as ending up on the rails of another railroead...I'm pleased to say today this seldom modeled railroad has avid contributors in the US, Canada and UK.

Peter Ness

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Pollard
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Steam freight cars website


I've just spent the best part of two hours browsing her site. Fabulous,
and I've dropped her an email.

Thanks Peter,

--
Ashley Pollard
Ashley@...

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Re: SP hog fuel car

tomedill@frontier.com
 

Hog fuel was wood products waste, usually bark, ends and other wood scrape, generally larger than what later was termed wood chips. Hog fuel was used in institutions, factories and even home heating furnaces in the Northwest.
Tom Dill
tomedill@...


Re: Steam freight cars website

Douglas Harding
 

Rob, on the MSTL yahoo list we have accumulated a lot of material relevant
to M&StL freight cars (all steam era as the MSTL disappeared in 1960), which
is posted to our list. But if you are not a member of the group you cannot
access the material. RE the Steam Era Freight Car list you maintain I would
like to see a way to upload or share this collection of material without
having to involve you directly. Is there a way or could there be a way I or
say Clark could upload material directly, so it could be available to
another group who may appreciate it?



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Steam freight cars website

Ashley Pollard <ashley@...>
 

On 21/01/2012 01:27, Peter Ness wrote:
Thanks Ashley. If you're in the UK, I recommend a visit to my Links
page to visit Kathy Millatt's web site. She's doing an excellent job
modeling the New Haven on that side of the Atlantic.
I've just spent the best part of two hours browsing her site. Fabulous, and I've dropped her an email.

Thanks Peter,

--
Ashley Pollard
Ashley@...

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Bettendorf underframe

Mike Calvert
 

I am making an SP Class B-50-6 DS boxcar with Bettendorf I-Beam Underframe. Other 'Harriman' roads- i.e. SP and UP subsidiaries- also installed these cars.
I see on Westerfield's list (#12000) that MILW had a lot of these cars.

Can anyone help me with information on these MILW cars?
Does anyone know if any other railroad had boxcars of this type?

Thanks for any information.
Mike Calvert


Re: Owl Mountain Models safety vents

Bruce Smith
 

Don,

He talks about doing it with a P2K 8K tank. I'm talking about a 10K P2K
tank. In both cases, the P2K dome is incorrect, although certainly can
be a stand-in. The correct dome for his tank would be narrower and
taller. For an 8K tank, the F&C is arguably a better starting point,
although there are certainly a bunch of problems to fix there too... at
least the dome is correct ;^)

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

"Don" <riverman_vt@...> 01/20/12 7:35 PM >>>
> Is this not what the Owl Mountain website describes doing if you
read the entire site or is it another modification based >upon a P2K
8,000 gal. car?? Great product which I'm glad to see.

Cordially, Don Valentine

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Clark,

Excellent question. Using P2K tanks with these vents is not
completely accurate. Since the type 21 tank had dome top vents, you
need to look back towards the type 11/17 tank and earlier as a place to
use these vents (on an AC&F tank). My current plans are to backdate the
P2K type 21 tank by removing the side/top seams/rivets and adding
vertical/radial courses and archer rivets to get 10,000 gallon type 11
and type 17 tanks. The F&C tank will be modified with archer rivets to
make an 8K type 17. Additionally, the type 21 dome is shorter and has a
larger diameter than the earlier domes so the dome area will need to be
filled and new, more appropriate domes built.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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On Jan 20, 2012, at 9:01 AM, cepropst@... wrote:



I did look at the website. Great product, but is it possible to fit
those parts on P2K or IM tank cars?

To save wise guy remarks, of course they will fit. But, are they
appropriate? In other words, what reporting marks and numbers would be
accurate?

I'd love to be able to put them on plastic tank cars.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



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Re: Steam freight cars website

Rob Adams
 

It is always nice to come home from a week away for work and find some
fires burning. Unfortunately, not all of them are for keeping me warm
in our newly resurrected Iowa winter. I'd like to make a few comments
about this thread and the presently AWOL Steam Freight Cars web site.

First, my name is Rob Adams, and yes, I'm still part of the group. I
interacted with many of you most recently at Naperville this past
October or at the St. Louis RPM in August.

Second, the SteamFreightCars.com site being down is neither my doing,
nor something that I could have prevented. The URL registration and
hosting arrangements for the venerable site are maintained by Ted
Culotta. I suspect that through some oversight, he's allowed one or the
other to lapse. It is likely that he'll soon see one of the many
messages sent to his attention and correct that, in which case the web
site will light back up on its own. Should that not happen, I have
previously registered the URL "steamerafreightcars.com" and provisioned
hosting, which is intended for a completely revamped site. I do have
the entire contents of the original steamfreightcars.com site backed up,
and can upload and have a replacement site up and running in relatively
short order.

Last, it is apparent from the comments made in the STMFC Yahoo group
that the SteamFreightCars site is appreciated by many and would be
missed were it to vanish forever from the web. This situation sets us
up rather nicely for a conversation about the site and its future. For
some time now, I've wrestled with how to sustain the site by myself,
particularly when faced with a relative dearth of new material
contributions from the site's users. The work I've done on the site is
done entirely as a volunteer and I realize no financial or other direct
benefit from the effort, nor do I wish to. It strikes me that the
magnitude of Ted's original effort and contributions are lost on most
modelers. Each of us has probably benefited from the site. How many of
us have contributed? Taking it to the next level is more than one
person can do on their own. I've been working with Bill Welch and a
handful of other modelers to relaunch the Steam Freight Cars site as a
refreshed and revamped resource with significant new content, regular
updates, and a more interactive capability. There are a lot of you out
there with unique and valuable knowledge that could be shared with
fellow historians and modelers through the site. Whether pertaining to
a specific scale, railroad or car type, we'd like to solicit your
contributions and eventually involve you directly as contributors and/or
subject matter experts in a blog-type or Q&A style framework that
augments the more static reference material.

Ted Culotta's vision of a one-stop resource for all matters related to
the Steam Era Freight Car still has relevance, and I'd like to see it
live on as an even more robust resource. A resource incorporating a
large number of contributors and frequent content refreshes without
obnoxious advertising, excessive commercialism or tainted by agendas.
Do you consider this to be a worthy objective? If so, please consider
what you might be able to contribute and get in touch soon. We'd
appreciate your help with this mission. Please contact me off-list at
steamera@... if you'd like to discuss.

Regardless of the disposition of the existing site, you'll be hearing
more from us about the re-launch/re-vamp in the near future. I look
forward to hearing from you.

Respectfully,

Rob Adams
Wellman, Iowa




On 1/20/12 5:38 PM, Paul Lyons wrote:


I believe Rod Adams has/had control of the site. At one time he was
part of this group, not sure if he still is, or not.
Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@...
<mailto:pennsy6200%40yahoo.com>>
To: STMFC <STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2012 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Steam freight cars website

Bob
I have tried many times to get this site off of Ted and he said he gve
it to someone else. My wife and fellow modeller, was willing to run
it. Who knows, maybe I will try again.
Dennis Williams/Owner
www.resinbuilders4u.com

________________________________
From: rwitt_2000 <rwitt_2000@... <mailto:rwitt_2000%40yahoo.com>>
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:43 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Steam freight cars website

I recall someone took over the site from Ted and was trying to make it
active again. It's a significant loss of information on freight cars. A
request for financial assistance may have received a positive response
from the group.

Bob Witt

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bill
Schneider" <bschneider424@...>
wrote:

Looks like the domain has expired. Sad to see this resource go away..

Bill Schneider

From: cepropst@...
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:34 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Steam freight cars website


I just tried to look at something on the (originally Ted
Culotta’s ) website and things have changed. Is it just me seeing
the new {useless) format?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa










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FS: Red Caboose SP composite GS Gon kits

Andy Carlson
 

I mistakenly ordered the wrong Red Caboose HO GS gondola for someone. I have 11
of the RC #5100 "SP G-50 composite drop bottom gondola w/ SP ends". Retail for
$20.00 each undec kit, I am offering them to readers of this message for $13.00
each, plus shipping. I accept checks and money orders, and with a 4% Surcharge,
PayPal. Contact me off-list at <midcentury@...> if interested. Minimum
sale of 2 cars.

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Steam freight cars website

Peter Ness
 

Thanks Ashley. If you're in the UK, I recommend a visit to my Links page to visit Kathy Millatt's web site. She's doing an excellent job modeling the New Haven on that side of the Atlantic.

Regards.
Peter Ness

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Pollard
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Steam freight cars website

Fabulous site in more ways than one. I now know far more about NH
boxcars and the transition to the McGinnis scheme. Fascinating stuff.

Also lovely to see the grandson being recruited into the fold. I did
that with my Godson too. Got to think of the next generation of modellers.

--
Ashley Pollard
Ashley@...

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