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National Archives at College Park,MD

Bill Welch <bwelch@...>
 

I visited our National Archives Friday, mainly to start exploring the valuation maps for some locations and railroads of interest to me. Randy Anderson, who has made many trips there was with me. David Pfeiffer, the archivist for the railroad related resources, excluding photographs, was there that day, which is very helpful. the faicilty is about 8 years old and is "state of the art."

Anyway, David mentioned that we should check the photo archives because there were some railroad related collections there. So we did and found some things of interest. None of the photo archive is on line, as far as I can tell, nor is there a plan to do so. Most of the photo archive is related to military subjects, plus various agencies or departments of the U.S. government like Agriculture.

The photos I found that could be of interest to people on this list are from the USIA files. The code for this collection is RG306PS, boxes 444, 445, 446 and 447. Mostly the photos I found of interest are scenes with freight cars prominantly featured. I made notes on 25 photos I would like to have at some point, not including several of boxcars in the "Friendship Train" that I will also get.

It is unclear if the NA was ever geared up to print things from their collection in house but now they give customers a packet with the option of four labs authorized to come in a pull negatives. The fee for pulling a negative is $9.50 plus whatever the lab wants for their printing.

Since you have to be there to look for things, there is a very good alternative. In the research room there is one of those Kodak machines to make prints. I made several at $5.75 each and they are great. This process does not build up contrast like so many copy methods do. I will use this method to get everything I want there.


Re: Taber's GUIDE TO RAILROAD HISTORICAL RESOURCES

thompson@...
 

Ned Carey asked:
So Roger, if something was published without the copyright notice
before '78 it went into the public domain. Did the changes that
were made in '78 give the rights for those items back to the owner,
or did those things remain in the public domain.
No, once in the public domain it's irreversible. Always was, still is.

Roger Miener commented:
Once there, and if you poke around a bit, you will see that Tony and I
should have been talking about the year 1976 instead of 1978. The
major change to the law during the 1970's occurred with the passage of
the "Copyright Act of 1976, Public Law No. 94-553...
Yes, as to name this is true. But the reason I and many others discussing
this topic say "1978" is that's the year it went into EFFECT. The year they
passed it is of interest to a different group.

Responding to Garth Groff's grumble, Roger also said:
Please note the mention of ability to recover statutory damages and
attorney's fees. These matters are treated in Sections 504 and 505 of
the copyright law. You can read these sections at the web site. Once
one has proved infringement, statutory damages may be awarded in lieu
of the copyright owner having to prove actual damages. Statutory
damages can be as high as $150,000.00.
Exactly. The existence of a violation is a prima facie case for these
damages. But you have to register within a few months (I forget exact
number) to be entitled to this protection.
I also share Roger's bemusement at the apparent comments of the attorney
Garth consulted. This is not a professional intellectual-property response.
Heck, Garth, sue him for malpractice <g>.
But it's true that going after a newspaper is very, very difficult,
because they have a special exemption to use materials in the "news" even
though, as in Garth's example, they are certainly known to misuse the
privilege. I do share that attorney's lack of enthusiasm to file against a
newspaper.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroads and on Western history


Re: CC&F tank car article in July RMC

Ned Carey <westernmd@...>
 

Scott Chatfield asked:
Okay all you TARTS (Totally Anal Railcar Truck Spotters), what exactly are
the trucks seen under the CN "war emergency" tank cars in Russ Pinchbeck's
article in the July 2002 RMC? . . .
Richard H. Hendrickson replied:
The trucks on the two CN cars are Barber S-2s.

Oh poo! Richard beat me to the punch. There's not many questions easy enough
for me you know.

So lets talk models. The photos look very close to the new Branchline S-2
trucks. One difference is the model trucks have a ridge around the
triangular openings in the truck sides. The tank car trucks don't have this
but it is easily filed away.

Another option would be the Atlas 50 ton truck. It is a little more crude
than the Branchline truck but the bearing caps match the photos better. It
too would need a little work with a file and chisel blade.

Speaking of bearing caps did you notice the left truck in the lower photo on
page 91 had two different bearing caps. Your not truly anal unless you model
that.

Ned Carey - apprentice TARTS


Re: Taber's GUIDE TO RAILROAD HISTORICAL RESOURCES

Roger Miener <Roger.Miener@...>
 

Ned Carey writes ...

So Roger, if something was published without the copyright notice
before '78 it went into the public domain. Did the changes that
were made in '78 give the rights for those items back to the owner,
or did those things remain in the public domain.
Ned, with those questions we are now moving beyond my area of
professional expertise. I am a lawyer, but my interest in
intellectual property law is personal and not professional. What I
can do is recommend a tour of the web site maintained by the U. S.
Copyright Office at
http://www.loc.gov/copyright/

Once there, and if you poke around a bit, you will see that Tony and I
should have been talking about the year 1976 instead of 1978. The
major change to the law during the 1970's occurred with the passage of
the "Copyright Act of 1976, Public Law No. 94-553, 90 Statute 2541
(for the general revision of copyright law, title 17 of the *United
States Code*, and for other purposes), October 19, 1976. OK, hey, we
were close as to the date.

Should you need guidance in this area, you should contact an attorney
who specializes in this area of the law. Typically such attorneys are
also admitted to the patent bar and authorized to practice before the
U. S. Patent Office. As such, they are easy to find in the yellow
pages of the phone directory.

Prior to Ned Carey's post, Garth Groff related an unhappy experience
regards an attempt to deal with what he saw as an infringement of his
registered work. Garth concluded with ...

Copyright law is nice to have as a deterrence, but for the little
guy it has no teeth.
Garth, I don't know when this incident occurred but please go to the
web site mentioned above and go to the FAQ. There, indexed as FAQ No.
14, you will find the following ...

"Why should I register my work if copyright protection is automatic?
Registration is recommended for a number of reasons. Many choose to
register their works because they wish to have the facts of their
copyright on the public record and have a certificate of registration.
Registered works may be eligible for statutory damages and attorney's
fees in successful litigation. Finally, if registration occurs within
five years of publication, it is considered prima facie evidence in a
court of law. See Circular 1, section Copyright Registration and
Circular 38b on non-U.S. works."

Please note the mention of ability to recover statutory damages and
attorney's fees. These matters are treated in Sections 504 and 505 of
the copyright law. You can read these sections at the web site. Once
one has proved infringement, statutory damages may be awarded in lieu
of the copyright owner having to prove actual damages. Statutory
damages can be as high as $150,000.00.

Garth also stated ....

.... The copyright lawyer I consulted said
legally I had a good case, but any judge would be really pissed at
me for wasting his time with such a petty matter....
Garth, in thirty years of practice I have come to know many federal
district court judges. It is true that they exhibit a rainbow of
personalities, however, none of them come even remotely close to being
the sort of person described above. The words "pissed", "wasting" and
"petty", as they appear in the above context, strongly suggest to me
that the next time this problem comes up for you, you would be well
served to consider consulting a different lawyer.

Roger Miener
at Tacoma WA


Staunton, Ill on the ITC Part 2 1949-1951

cef39us <cfrench@...>
 

Carloads of plaster went to Hefer Lbr Co.
Road oil to Illinois Road Builders c/o City of Staunton.
Sand and Stone to City of Staunton.
Pipe, poles, transformers, insulators, and guy wires to Illinois
Power Co.

Date Car From Contents
01-31-49 SAL 13757 Coldwater, Oh. Mowers (stop off)
02-23-49 RI 159609 Chicago, Il Ford autos
03-08-49 MILW 9362 " " " "
03-09-49 PFE 65500 Mo??l, Ida. Potatoes
03-21-49 ACL 20219 Springfield, Il. Flour
06-16-49 UTLX 57265 Roxana, Il. Road oil
06-22-49 UTLX 57725 " " " "
07-05-49 PRR 472767 Sharon, Pa. Transformer
07-07-49 UTLX 5656 Roxana, Il. Road oil
07-21-49 UTLX 4867 Roxana, Il. Road oil
07-27-49 MILW 63415 Sharon, Pa. Transformer
08-02-49 L&N 24708 Brewton, Ala. Poles
08-05-49 UTLX 55446 Roxana, Il. Road oil
08-22-49 L&N 21124 LaPorte, Ind. Threshers (Allis-Chalmers)
08-31-49 UTLX 28621 Wood River, Il. Road oil
09-03-49 UTLX 35893 Roxana, Il. Road oil
10-04-49 UTLX 24481 " " " "
08-16-50 GMO 32394 Bloomington, Il. Gravel
08-16-50 GMO 61113 " " "
08-16-50 GMO 61117 " " "
08-17-50 GMO 32307 " " "
08-25-50 GMO 60224 " " "
08-25-50 GMO 60236 " " "
08-26-50 GMO 60283 " " "
08-28-50 GMO 32311 " " "
08-31-50 IC 68699 " " "
08-31-50 GMO 60696 " " "
08-31-50 GMO 61021 " " "
08-31-50 GMO 60553 " " "
09-26-50 SOU 285506 " " "
09-26-50 MKT 35106 " " "
09-26-50 RDG 76274 " " "
10-05-50 CofG 11035 New Holland, Pa. Hay Presses
10-09-50 CNW 84482 Terre Haute, In. Anti Freeze (stop off)
10-09-50 NKP 16461 Sterlington, La. Anti Freeze (stop off)
10-19-50 RDG 75268 Bloomington, Il. Gravel
10-19-50 ATSF 180788 " " "
10-25-50 MP 60505 " " "
10-27-50 MP 60233 " " "
11-06-50 IC 76992 " " "
11-07-50 MP 58337 " " "
11-13-50 IC 17565 Sterlington, La. Anti Freeze (stop off)
03-31-51 CB&Q 35966 Lima, NY insulators, guy wires
04-03-51 ERIE 15106 Norpaul, Il. Arms and braces
04-04-51 NYC 726133 " " " "
04-05-51 MILW 65935 Minneapolis, Mn Poles (load on 3 cars)
04-05-51 NKP 2746 " " " "
04-05-51 CNW 45039 " " " "
04-10-51 CB&Q 89148 Minneapolis, Mn. Poles (load on 3 cars)
04-10-51 PM 16050 " " " "
04-10-51 NYC 499727 " " " "
04-14-51 B&O 8391 Minneapolis, Mn, Poles (load on 3 cars)
04-14-51 MILW 600314 " " " "
04-14-51 CB&Q 89504 " " " "
04-19-51 CB&Q 91758 Minneapolis, Mn. Poles (load on 2 cars)
04-19-51 UP 56519 " " " "
04-25-51 SP 14983 Massena, NY Aluminum cable
04-27-51 CNW 147050 " " " "
04-28-51 NYC 153227 " " " "
05-24-51 PRR 76410 Sterlington, La. Anti Freeze (stop off)
05-25-51 AC 3134 Proviso, Il. Cable (part load)
06-16-51 MKT 27773 Sparrows Pt. Md. Steel wire coils
07-23-51 IC 72106 E. St Louis, Il. Stone
07-23-51 IC 81104 " " " "
07-30-51 IC 90754 " " " "
07-30-51 IC 80028 " " " "
08-06-51 L&A 4491 " " " "
08-06-51 IC 81119 " " " "
08-10-51 IC 66393 " " " "
08-10-51 IC 74683 " " " "
08-20-51 NCSTL 48416 " " " "
08-20-51 NYC 838291 " " " "
08-25-51 IC 68645 " " " "
08-35-51 IC 80078 " " " "
08-31-51 IC 70510 " " " "
08-31-51 IC 85679 " " " "
09-04-51 IC 68711 " " " "
09-04-51 SAL 6105 " " " "
09-10-51 IC 78270 " " " "
The End.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: CC&F tank car article in July RMC

Richard Hendrickson
 

Okay all you TARTS (Totally Anal Railcar Truck Spotters), what exactly are
the trucks seen under the CN "war emergency" tank cars in Russ Pinchbeck's
article in the July 2002 RMC? Obviously they're spring plank-less
"Bettendorf" U-section types, but are they single-truss or double-truss? I
would think given the built date they'd be double-truss, but I don't see
the "double".
The trucks on the two CN cars are Barber S-2s. Note, however, that those
are very late photos, so the original trucks may have been different. In
the builder's photos, the trucks appear to be AAR with spring planks.
Neither type is of double truss construction, but the development of the
double truss sideframe design in the mid-1930s wasn't followed by universal
or even widespread adoption of this feature.

Also, aren't Mr. Pinchbeck's numbers for ACF Type 27 production a bit low,
say, by a factor of ten or twenty? He says they only built "more than
1,800 8,000 gallon and more than 750 10,000-gallon Type 27s." Sounds way
low.

Perhaps not. I'm sure Russ had access to the AC&F production records via
Ed Hawkins, and those numbers seem about right to me if we're talking
pre-WW-II production of ICC-103s (remember that a lot of tank cars built
during the 1930s were specialized types of different sizes).

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


CC&F tank car article in July RMC

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Okay all you TARTS (Totally Anal Railcar Truck Spotters), what exactly are
the trucks seen under the CN "war emergency" tank cars in Russ Pinchbeck's
article in the July 2002 RMC? Obviously they're spring plank-less
"Bettendorf" U-section types, but are they single-truss or double-truss? I
would think given the built date they'd be double-truss, but I don't see
the "double".

Also, aren't Mr. Pinchbeck's numbers for ACF Type 27 production a bit low,
say, by a factor of ten or twenty? He says they only built "more than
1,800 8,000 gallon and more than 750 10,000-gallon Type 27s." Sounds way
low.

Scott Chatfield


Re: 2nd run LL 50' flat cars

Clark Propst <cepropst@...>
 

Bruce,
I'm looking at the CGW book again. Unfortunately only one photo of a flat car has
the Railroad's name spelled out. The car is 3707 blt 7-36, 52' the photo was taken
in 10-67, the car had been repainted with the original lettering showing though.
The only difference is the second paint job's stencil starts one letter to the
right of the first. So, it's obvious the lettering is the same. Sleep well your car
appears to be fine.
Clark




"Bruce F. Smith" wrote:

Richard said:
Ask and ye shall receive, Bruce. CGW built 7-44, Soo built 7-41, Monon
built 2-52, ITC built 12-45, reweighed 4-65 (late '50s-'60s lettering),
Clinchfield built 7-46, reweighed 8-54, C&O reweighed 5-59 (late '50s-'60s
lettering).
and Clark added:
Gene Green's Morning Sun book on CGW freight and pass cars has the following
info: The only 53'6" cars are in the 3800-3899 series (100), built in 40,
LT WT
46800, capy 100,000, Buckeye trucks, Equipco drop shaft brake.
Clark, Richard

Thanks for the notes! Since I'm modeling June 1944 that second CGW lot
would be one month too new <G>. No lettering info for the 1940 CGW lot eh?
When did CGW change lettering schemes? I suppose it would be a bit out of
the question for a 1940 built car to sport a new scheme in 1944...(thinking
of renumbering and backdating the P2K car).

Well, I can always run the Soo cars! (I need lots of flats and gons for
military loads)

Happy Rails
Bruce

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HO Truck Leaf Springs

JGG KahnSr <jacekahn@...>
 

I'll be darned! I didn't think they sold anything anymore for those kinds of prices (they surely don't in O scale); while I don't have most of my HO catalogues anymore, Kemtron couldn't have asked much less when they produced these 20-25 years ago.
Jace Kahn

Currently avialable from Precision Scale. I just ordered and received a
pack of 12 for $2.25 (may have been more but under $3) less discount.


Keep your rails shiny!

Stephen

"If it ain't steam, it's a powered boxcar"

All Points North Model RR Club (Houston TX)
http://www.allpointsnorthmrrc.org
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Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:47 PM
Subject: [STMFC] HO Truck Leaf Springs


A while ago there was some discussion of sources for HO leaf springs. I
recently acquired a package of Kemtron X-3C full-elliptical
phosphor-bronze
(the Silver Streak were steel and only half, although they looked all
right
and worked fine), 16 springs (enough for four pair of trucks). I am
very
much open to offers, cash or O scale items.

Jace Kahn
Mostly Fairbanks


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Re: BC&G hoppers

Howard R. Garner <hrgarner@...>
 

Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:31:19 -0000
From: "moonmuln" <mullen.lahr@...>
Subject: Re: BC&G hoppers

Larry Smith asked:
... the BC&G had two types of
hoppers. The 1000 series is definitly Gla style while the 1700
series
looks like a USRA clone. First does anyone have a 1925 ORER and can
look up how many cars were in the 1700 series and what is the data
on
them...
The April 1925 ORER lists the two classes:

Steel Hopper, P.R.R. type..Gla 1001 to 1600, il 30'5", iw 9'6",
outside length 32'3", width 10' 1 3/8", height to eaves 10'0" overall
ht 10' 9 3/4", capy 1682 cuft, 100000 lb, 600 cars

Hopper 1601 to 1900, il 30'5", iw 9'6", outside length 32'3", width
10' 1 3/8", height to top of platform or running board 10'8" overall
ht 10' 9 3/4", capy 1817 cuft, 110000 lb, 300 cars

These go back to at least May 1923 in the ORER.


Re: Staunton, Ill on the ITC

Jeff Aley - GCD PE <jaley@...>
 

Chet,

This is very interesting. I note that many of the loads were
placed on cars from "local" roads:

Road State
SLSF MO
L&N AL
NYC OH
P&E MO
NP ND
NYC IL
SP TX
C&EI IL
CofG MS
IC MS
MP IL
L&N AL
NYC OH
NYC IL
MP IL
ITC IL
NYC MI
KCS OK
CB&Q IL
NYC IL
IC IL
MP IL
PRR IL
IC IL
IC IL
L&N AL
C&O PA
PM OH
MILW OH
L&N AL


But, there were a few exceptions which I presume were caused by
confiscation:

Road State
GN LA
NYC AL
L&N IL
SOU MI
SP OK
CNW OK
WM IL
B&O OK
CNW OH
MILW AL
SAL OH

Regards,

-Jeff

P.S. This is just a quick first pass, so please forgive any geographical
errors that I might have introduced!

--
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(916) 356-3533


Re: Suitability of Foreign General Service Flat Cars on Line

tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Bruce,

You wrote:

(snip)

What might be some good roadnames for 53'6" AAR 50 ton flats
transporting
goods (especially military cargo) on the PRR in 1944? (I have one each
of
the NKP and CNW from the 1st release).
Much like boxcars, there was a shortage of General Service Flat Cars
during WW II continuing on until the early 1950's. In a speech before a
Chicago Traffic Club in January 1951, RAILWAY AGE reported that John
McCafferty, President of International Harvester, complained that the
shortage of flat cars was causing Harvester to seek other means to
transport farm equipment from factory to customer.

In June 1951, the B&M finally got their flat #33509 back on home rails
after a two and a half year hiatus in order to convert its K brake
system to AB - the B&M had been trying to get #33509 back on line for a
year, but it was being reloaded, once as close as New Haven CT, and
routed away. Only with the cooperation of the MoP and NYC who put a "no
loading" tag on it did #33509 return to the B&M.

General Service Flat Cars like Boxcars were free rollers, reloaded and
routed to consignees with little regard to the direction of the home
road. This was most pronounced during WW II, but continued on until the
1950's. Just about any General Service Flat Car could show up on any
road. During the War, the War Dept. was not too concerned with whose
flat car carried what piece of equipment.

Tim Gilbert


Re: 2nd run LL 50' flat cars

Ian Cranstone
 

Previously written:

shelf full of P2K flat cars with the little "this scheme may not be
prototypical" labels on them<

This is interesting I never have seen this. I thought LL P2K didn't do
such a thing! And if they did then why didn't they make the '40 CGW and
paste a sticker on it <VBG>.
Likely cars imported by Life Like Canada (Canadian Hobbycraft) with Canadian
paint schemes. I seem to recall that LLC took some flak a while back since
the U.S. prototype models didn't match the Canadian-built prototypes they
were lettering for. This was their solution.

Frankly, the P2K models are not bad stand-ins for the Canadian cars -- and
since no one has offered better models so far in any form, I can certainly
live with them. Besides, the P2K kits are really quite nice. Now if LLC
would just get away from their habit of making some silly mistakes in their
lettering...

--
Ian Cranstone
Kanata, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...


Re: 2nd run LL 50' flat cars

armprem
 

Ben,I might be interested in some of those P2K flat cars.Do you have an
address ? Armand

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Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:23 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 2nd run LL 50' flat cars


Bruce F. Smith wrote re: slow selling P2K flatcars:
Yeah, as I recall, the cars were decorated for CP, CN and BCR.

And you wonder why they've been sitting on the shelf in an Alabama
hobbyshop...


Ben Hom




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Re: Suitability of Foreign General Service Flat Cars on Line

tim gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Bruce,

You wrote:

(snip)

What might be some good roadnames for 53'6" AAR 50 ton flats
transporting
goods (especially military cargo) on the PRR in 1944? (I have one each
of
the NKP and CNW from the 1st release).
The NKP and CNW flats are
transporting M3 halftracks and Shermans respectively from the Detroit
Arsenal to New Jersey for shipment to the European theater. Of
course, as
Richard pointed out in part of his note that I snipped, flat cars were
snapped up...I've got a picture in a book of a Southern flat car being
loaded with Shermans in the Detroit Arsenal.

Of course, in I do have some other classes of flats, like PRR F30A and
FM
cars, and a Norwest C.P. 336260-Series Flat Car (yeah, I know...the
car
service rules say that's not supposed to happen...except that there is
a
nice photo in the Signal Corps archives of CP308063 in Newport News
http://lvaimage.lib.va.us/VTLS/SC/02/085.jpg - I wonder how it got
there?
<G>). I know of the Red Caboose (NYC prototype right?) and the Tichy
flat...any other good prototypical models out there? Is there going
to be
one in the Marklin U.P. series that would be appropriate for '44?

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Re: BC&G hoppers

armprem
 

Larry,Sept 1931 OER lists 600 1061to1600 cars and 300 1601 to1900 cars .

Armand-- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Smith" <wooddale@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] BC&G hoppers


Please give it a check and see if they are listed

Larry

Armand Premo wrote:

Larry,The best I can do is a 1931.Armand
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Smith" <wooddale@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:59 PM
Subject: [STMFC] BC&G hoppers

I was refered to a site that contained a lot of photos of one of my
favorite railroads, the Buffalo Creek and Gauley. In one of the
photos,
taken at the Widon tipple in 1925 that the BC&G had two types of
hoppers. The 1000 series is definitly Gla style while the 1700 series
looks like a USRA clone. First does anyone have a 1925 ORER and can
look up how many cars were in the 1700 series and what is the data on
them, or better yet, does anyone have any info on these cars.

Larry Smith



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Re: 2nd run LL 50' flat cars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Bruce F. Smith wrote re: slow selling P2K flatcars:
Yeah, as I recall, the cars were decorated for CP, CN and BCR.

And you wonder why they've been sitting on the shelf in an Alabama
hobbyshop...


Ben Hom


Re: 2nd run LL 50' flat cars

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

CP, CN and BCR<
Ah, now I see. These are probably cars imported by LL Canada. A couple
of years ago there was some controversy about the LL Canada cars didn't fit
the wording on the LL box about being correct, false advertising and all
that. So LL Canada fixed this with the sticker I guess.

Jon Miller
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Re: 2nd run LL 50' flat cars

Bruce F. Smith <smithbf@...>
 

I said:
shelf full of P2K flat cars with the little "this scheme may not be
prototypical" labels on them<
Jon replies:
This is interesting I never have seen this. I thought LL P2K didn't do
such a thing! And if they did then why didn't they make the '40 CGW and
paste a sticker on it <VBG>.
Yeah, as I recall, the cars were decorated for CP, CN and BCR. I was
really surprised to see the stickers, but there they were, on the end of
the box!

Happy Rails
Bruce

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Naperville/Sunshine Models - please read

ted_culotta <ted_culotta@...>
 

I just finished buying a ticket on United's web site for Naperville/Sunshine
Models. I suggest that if you're going, you take a look. My total for a round trip
ticket was $188 from San Francisco. I have been to Chicago at least thirty
times in the past few years and that was by far the lowest. If you're headed to
Naperville, this may be a good time to buy. If you're not, this may be a reason
to go.

Regards,
Ted

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