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Re: Next flat cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bruce FSmith wrote:
The next run of flats will be the G.N. 56000, 66000 and 67000 series and maybe the 69500 series. Theses are 52', 52', 50' and 43'.
Neat! Can anyone provide some prototype history?
Looking at Richard Hendrickson's GN freight car chapter in Dorin's book, Great Northern Lines East, two of these number groups are covered: 69500-69999 (built in 1929) and 66000-66249 (built in 1945).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Next flat cars

Bruce Smith
 

"Chad" <chadboas@...> 01/23/12 6:29 PM >>>
O.K.
I had a couple guesses.
The next run of flats will be the G.N. 56000, 66000 and 67000 series and
maybe the 69500 series. Theses are 52', 52', 50' and 43'.
Chad Boas

Neat! Can anyone provide some prototype history?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: Next flat cars

Chad Boas
 

O.K.
I had a couple guesses.
The next run of flats will be the G.N. 56000, 66000 and 67000 series and maybe the 69500 series. Theses are 52', 52', 50' and 43'.
Chad Boas

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

I know but won't spill the beans. I'm already working on decals for them and have one version about done.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@..., "Chad" <chadboas@> wrote:

Hi all,
I have posted a picture of 3 decks for the next go round in the flat car project file. Lets see if anyone can guess the road. They all belong to the same RR. 1 - 50' and 2 - 52' decks. I will be working on the master and will post update photos.
Thanks, Chad Boas


Re: Thank you (Steam Era Freight Cars web site is on-line again)

Benjamin Hom
 

Larry Daily asked:
"I can't seem to locate this site, which sounds tremendously useful. Would
someone post the URL?"

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com


Ben Hom


Re: Thank you (Steam Era Freight Cars web site is on-line again)

Larry Z. Daily <lzdaily@...>
 

I can't seem to locate this site, which sounds tremendously useful. Would
someone post the URL?



Thanks much,

Larry



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Andy
Sperandeo
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:24 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Thank you (Steam Era Freight Cars web site is on-line
again)





Rob,
Please also accept my thanks for bringing back the Steam Era Freight Cars
website.
Andy


Re: Panel Side Hoppers

golden1014
 

Hi Rob,

Thanks for the heads-up, man. I've got the Wabash HS magazine with the hoppers article so I'll look though it for details. Stan has been telling me for years that Wabash panel cars were longer cars so I need to check it out.

My e-mail is Golden1014@... if you have time to send that scan. Let me know what I can do for you in return.

John

--- In STMFC@..., Rob Adams <steamera@...> wrote:

John;

While not the most common type of Wabash' panel hoppers, the good news
is that they did roster some cars that were very similar dimensionally
and visually to the Tichy panel hopper. These were rebuilt from early
1920's USRA clones. Wabash series 34000-34999, of 1941 cu ft capacity,
still numbered 498 cars in January 1950 according to the ORER. A nice
late 30's photo of WAB 34279 is available from Keith Sirman. I'll send
you a scan off-list.

So... you can have that Wabash car!

Regards,

Rob Adams
Wellman, IA



On 1/22/12 2:15 PM, John Golden wrote:

Hi Guys,

I goofed up a recent online order and received an Intermountain
panel-side HO hopper instead of the car I wanted. The car is
decorated for the Frisco with a shop date of 1955 (model 1950). This
is the Tichy car and it's a very nice model as you guys know.

I don't mind keeping it as a Frisco car, but I was curious what other
roads had these cars. I know P&LE did, and apparently NYC did as I've
seen the black NYC car on the website. I wouldn't mind repainting it
to Wabash but I understand it is not correct for 'Bash cars. Do you
know if NYC painted these cars red to match their other hoppers? I
could use Jerry Glow's decal set to repaint it if so. Your inputs are
greatly appreciated!

Thank you,
John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL






Re: Creco doors

Brian Carlson
 

These sound interesting but I'm wondering how many of these doors lasted
till the 1950's. In Ed Hawkins list of 1937 AAR cars I see a C&EI series and
C&O series. Who else had them? I assume these as for 10 IH cars based on a
previous post.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
cepropst@q.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:30 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Creco doors





I've received some orders, but there maybe confussion on my, or others part.

I was planning on having Chad cast a single door, 1 pr. = 2 doors.

If you wanted to do a double door car you'd have to order 2 pr. = 4 doors.

Would you guys prefer them cast as doubles?

Clark "The doorman" Propst

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , cepropst@...
wrote:

Chad said he'd do a master and cast the doors.

So, I guess I'm taking orders! PLEASE contact me off list!!!

Won't know the price for awhile, but shouldn't be too bad.

Clark Propst


Creco door web page correction

Jim King
 

I recently changed my HO web page names . the current detail parts page that
shows the 10-0 Creco door is:



http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/HO_detail_parts.html



Sorry for the confusion.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>


Creco door ... is this what y'all want?

Jim King
 

I designed a 10-0 Creco door for my Tennessee Central car and sell the doors
as part of my detail parts line. If these are the same doors that have been
discussed recently, the work is already "done" and castings have been
available March 2011. Contact me off-list if you are interested. The link
to my details web page is below.



http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/detail_parts_%28HO%29.html



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>


Re: ATSF Box Car Mineral Brown

Scott Dam
 

Ed,
Refer to the Santa Fe Railway Painting and Lettering Guide for Model Railroaders, Vol. 1, Rolling Stock
(Compiled by Richard Hendrickson) (Available from the SFRH&MS)
See Appx. 5 (5.2)
No Listing for Poly S
For Floquil:
2 parts RR-25,Tuscan Red
1 part RR-74, Box Car Red
(note: RR-179 Mineral Brown is a close match)
For ScaleCoat
2 parts #12 Tuscan Red
1 Part #13 Box Car Red

A later notes says the the prototype Mineral Brown was not consistent. So, you will need to adjust for your own eye.

From looking at the paint colors, my suggestion is to try the Poly S Box Car Red and darken with one of the very dark browns from the pallet, such as PRR Tuscan, Lehigh Valley Cornell Red or Milwaukee Road Maroon.

Let us all know you get a good match with the Poly S, many of us would like to try it also.

Hope this helps.

Scott Dam

From: Nelson Moyer
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:50 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] ATSF Box Car Mineral Brown


Ed,

RPC Vol. 3 gave the following:

ATSF

Floquil

Flat

Tuscan Red in the 1930s

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia, Volume 3

ATSF

Floquil

Flat

ATSF Mineral Brown in the 1940s

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia, Volume 3

ATSF

ModelFlex

Flat

Dark Tuscan Oxide Red in the 1930s

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia, Volume 3

I've used Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown, but there is no stock Poly Scale match
for this paint. The closest you will come to it is to add a few drops of
Poly Scale ATSF Red to Poly Scale Boxcar Red. Alternatively, you can use
Poly Scale Mineral Red without mixing, gut it's not quite 'red' enough.

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 4:28 PM
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF Box Car Mineral Brown

Can someone tell me which Poly Scale paint color is best for a Santa Fe box
car in the 1950s? I,m doing a 50 foot double door automobile car with
map/train name. Thanks for the help.

Ed Mims
Jacksonville, FL

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Re: ATSF Box Car Mineral Brown

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Ed,



RPC Vol. 3 gave the following:




ATSF

Floquil

Flat

Tuscan Red in the 1930s

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia, Volume 3


ATSF

Floquil

Flat

ATSF Mineral Brown in the 1940s

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia, Volume 3


ATSF

ModelFlex

Flat

Dark Tuscan Oxide Red in the 1930s

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia, Volume 3



I've used Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown, but there is no stock Poly Scale match
for this paint. The closest you will come to it is to add a few drops of
Poly Scale ATSF Red to Poly Scale Boxcar Red. Alternatively, you can use
Poly Scale Mineral Red without mixing, gut it's not quite 'red' enough.



Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ed
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 4:28 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] ATSF Box Car Mineral Brown





Can someone tell me which Poly Scale paint color is best for a Santa Fe box
car in the 1950s? I,m doing a 50 foot double door automobile car with
map/train name. Thanks for the help.

Ed Mims
Jacksonville, FL


Re: Gritty paint

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., richtownsend@... wrote:


Thanks to all who have made suggestions.

As for those who say it would be out of scale, I agree that in HO scale much if not all of the characteristic foundry casting texture would not be visible. However, I believe there are situations were some out-of-scale texture is appropriate. How else could we convey the difference between something that is rough and flat (i.e., flat-painted) and something that is smooth and flat? For example, the stucco texture on the side of a building would be all but invisible in HO scale, but if we want to convey "stucco" in HO we have to go out of scale...
But the texture of stucco is 50 to 100 times larger than the surface of a casting. Even though the mold is made of sand, it is as smooth as a plaster wall, and unless part of the sand has broken away during the pour, the surface of the resulting casting is almost as smooth. Stucco, on the other hand, is applied to the wall by slinging it off the trowel, and sometimes adding swirls with a stiff brush.

What says casting to me, more than anything else, is fillets, because foundrymen know that sharp outside corners in a sand mold won't hold up, so every inside corner of the pattern has a fillet applied, often made of wax so it is easy to fit around curves. I personally think the best way to finish an HO scale model of a casting is to paint it with thick, goopy paint that fills all the inside corners, thereby modeling the fillets, then dust the still wet paint with talcum powder to kill the shine and give just a bit of surface texture.

Dennis


ATSF Box Car Mineral Brown

Ed Mims
 

Can someone tell me which Poly Scale paint color is best for a Santa Fe box car in the 1950s? I,m doing a 50 foot double door automobile car with map/train name. Thanks for the help.

Ed Mims
Jacksonville, FL


Re: Small scale manufacturing

Clark Propst
 

One thing I didn't consider when setting the price for the double Surperior doors was the postage to get them from Chad to me. Now that I've had to re-order twice that cost mounts up. I don't want a bunch on hand. I don't mind re-order them as long as Chad dosen't mind making just a few at a time. But it is something I will take into account when pricing this latest door.

Jus sos uz noz...

Clark Propst


Re: NKP 2-Bay Alternate Std.

Bruce Smith
 

Andy,

Ed Hawkins posted a nice explanation of all the cars offered and their accuracy on December 12th.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jan 23, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Andy Harman wrote:

http://www.intermountain-railway.com/reservationflyers/RF1211HO2BayHoppers.htm

I'm looking at the graphic for Intermountain's announced hopper... and I
see they are showing the W&LE car with flat ends and the NKP with arch
ends. Photos are few and far between, and I'm not home where I can check
my better sources, but all the pics I've found of NKP cars have flat ends
and I'm assuming are ex-Wheeling cars. I don't remember if NKP built more
of them, or if theirs are all ex-W&LE.

Just checking to see if IM is making a mistake here before it's too far
along. If the NKP car is wrong, I'll just order the flat end cars in some
other road name and repaint them.... don't remember seeing any W&LE left
in the 70s. If the NKP cars shown are correct for NKP-built cars, I'll
get some of the flat end ones anyway and repaint. I don't know what a
proper sampling of these cars should be, but I have a projected hopper
roster of 200+ cars, which include N&W H10 thru H12 and a few oddballs, as
well as the NKP 2 and 3-bay cars and also some VGN 2-bay cars.

Andy



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NKP 2-Bay Alternate Std.

Andy Harman
 

http://www.intermountain-railway.com/reservationflyers/RF1211HO2BayHoppers.htm

I'm looking at the graphic for Intermountain's announced hopper... and I see they are showing the W&LE car with flat ends and the NKP with arch ends. Photos are few and far between, and I'm not home where I can check my better sources, but all the pics I've found of NKP cars have flat ends and I'm assuming are ex-Wheeling cars. I don't remember if NKP built more of them, or if theirs are all ex-W&LE.

Just checking to see if IM is making a mistake here before it's too far along. If the NKP car is wrong, I'll just order the flat end cars in some other road name and repaint them.... don't remember seeing any W&LE left in the 70s. If the NKP cars shown are correct for NKP-built cars, I'll get some of the flat end ones anyway and repaint. I don't know what a proper sampling of these cars should be, but I have a projected hopper roster of 200+ cars, which include N&W H10 thru H12 and a few oddballs, as well as the NKP 2 and 3-bay cars and also some VGN 2-bay cars.

Andy


RPM-Valley Forge 2012

prr282
 

The 5th Railroad Prototype Modelers-Valley Forge is coming up soon on March 23-25 2012. The location is the same great hotel as previous years, The Desmond Hotel in Malvern, PA, about 20 miles west of Philadelphia and convenient to the PA Turnpike and US 202.

Thursday evening and Friday morning operating sessions are being offered. 49 (yes, 49) different clinics, models display room, vendors, and a Sunday Layout Tour are all on the Timetable.

Please visit our web site:

www.phillynmra.org/rpmmeet.html

Here you will find a complete timetable, clinics list, vendors list, hotel information, and a registration form.

Paul Backenstose
Chairman


Re: Panel Side Hoppers

Bruce Smith
 

I'll second what Clark said and note that Stan covered these in his clinic at Prototype Rails and IIRC, he had some C&NW Quad models with him there.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jan 23, 2012, at 12:23 PM, cepropst@q.com wrote:

I have one Stan made me years ago. Recently he asked if I or any of my friends were interested in anymore. Seems he has a small stockpile of his 'core' model.
You might want to contact Stan if you're interested.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., Rich C <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Dennis and all,
Â
This brings up an interesting future kitbash. What combination of panels would be needed to create a CNW Panel Side Quad rebuild?
Â
Thanks,
Rich Christie


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From: soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 10:42 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Panel Side Hoppers


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--- In STMFC@..., Rob Adams <steamera@> wrote:

John;

While not the most common type of Wabash' panel hoppers, the good news
is that they did roster some cars that were very similar dimensionally
and visually to the Tichy panel hopper. These were rebuilt from early
1920's USRA clones. Wabash series 34000-34999, of 1941 cu ft capacity,
still numbered 498 cars in January 1950 according to the ORER. A nice
late 30's photo of WAB 34279 is available from Keith Sirman. I'll send
you a scan off-list.

So... you can have that Wabash car!

Regards,

Rob Adams
Wellman, IA
Apparently no one is concerned that the Tichy car only models one small batch of three prototype cars, and all the rest are stand-ins? For more discussion, go back to Message #93494 and work forward from there:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/message/93494

Dennis




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Re: Gritty paint

Richard Townsend
 

Thanks to all who have made suggestions.

As for those who say it would be out of scale, I agree that in HO scale much if not all of the characteristic foundry casting texture would not be visible. However, I believe there are situations were some out-of-scale texture is appropriate. How else could we convey the difference between something that is rough and flat (i.e., flat-painted) and something that is smooth and flat? For example, the stucco texture on the side of a building would be all but invisible in HO scale, but if we want to convey "stucco" in HO we have to go out of scale. Who remembers Michael Gross's "Model of the Month" stucco-sided Hermosa (?) depot? The texture was way out of scale, but it worked. I think the same can be true for a large foundry casting. Perhaps a physicist could explain it as light and reflection not scaling down well. I don't know. But I'm going to try modeling the foundry texture and if I like it I'll post some photos and you can be the judge.



Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Creco doors

 

Clark, I would sell them as pairs. I don't know too many other roads except the M&StL that use double Creco's (as on your model) The C&O and B&O used them on a series of 1937 single door box cars. I am sure other roads have used them as well. If I may suggest, the tack boards could be omitted or cast seperate as these were located differently by each road.
 
Rich Christie


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From: "cepropst@q.com" <cepropst@q.com>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:29 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Creco doors


 
I've received some orders, but there maybe confussion on my, or others part.

I was planning on having Chad cast a single door, 1 pr. = 2 doors.

If you wanted to do a double door car you'd have to order 2 pr. = 4 doors.

Would you guys prefer them cast as doubles?

Clark "The doorman" Propst

--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@... wrote:

Chad said he'd do a master and cast the doors.

So, I guess I'm taking orders! PLEASE contact me off list!!!

Won't know the price for awhile, but shouldn't be too bad.

Clark Propst



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