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Re: Panel Side Hoppers

David
 

--- In STMFC@..., "proto48er" <atkott@...> wrote:
The MP cars have panels that are a little different in shape (outline) from the NYC model and its (6) prototype cars. However, the MP panels are almost exactly identical to the (4) panels to the far left and far right on the C&O triples!

Therefore, I have cut the end four panels from the sides of two of the Max Gray C&O triples, and soldered flat sides to those cars (sold years ago!). The pair of 4-panel sections were then used as side sheets on the USRA 30'-6" IL cars. Posssibly this is what the MP did - used the pressings from the same dies as the C&O triples for the sides. (The original four USRA cars were made as brass kits by the late Bob Parri back in 1990.)
This is somewhat speculative on my part, not having seen what the MP cars look like... The original USRA twin (and triple) hopper design used a single rivet row at the bottom of the sides, then another rivet row above that to attach the slope sheets and hopper bays to the side sheet. Some postwar copies of the designs merged the horizontal portions of the higher rivet row into the bottom row (thus lowering the attachment point of the hopper bays by several inches).

When it came time to apply offset panel sides, the revised arrangement meant that the stamped offsets could extend several inches lower than the offsets meant for cars built to the original 2-row arrangement.

David Thompson


Re: Panel Side Hoppers

proto48er
 

Ed -

Thank you very much! I am late posting a reply - have been cutting up downed tree branches from last night's storm.

The only photos I have are of cars using the original USRA side stakes - riveted, not welded.

I have two of the MP USRA clones with flat sides and two (unfinished) with panel sides. In "O" scale brass, we only have panel-side models of the WAB 33'IL cars (MG #503), the NYC 30'-6"IL cars (OMI #0780/O), C&O triples (MG #703, Custom Brass #677-O), and a variety of USRA 30'-6" IL double hoppers with flat sides.

The MP cars have panels that are a little different in shape (outline) from the NYC model and its (6) prototype cars. However, the MP panels are almost exactly identical to the (4) panels to the far left and far right on the C&O triples!

Therefore, I have cut the end four panels from the sides of two of the Max Gray C&O triples, and soldered flat sides to those cars (sold years ago!). The pair of 4-panel sections were then used as side sheets on the USRA 30'-6" IL cars. Posssibly this is what the MP did - used the pressings from the same dies as the C&O triples for the sides. (The original four USRA cars were made as brass kits by the late Bob Parri back in 1990.)

Thanks again!

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:

A.T.,
MoPac owned 750 30'-6" twin hoppers that were built from 1925-1927. The initial series of 250 cars built in 1925 were Maxend cars having 4 side discharge outlets as well as a pair of standard hopper bottoms.

Original cars:
M.P. 58000-58249, 250 cars blt. 5-25, Standard Steel Car Co. (Maxend)
M.P. 58250-58499, 250 cars blt. 7-26, AC&F lot 103
M.P. 58500-58749, 250 cars blt. 4-27, Standard Steel Car Co.

The latter two series were similar to USRA twin hoppers, but there were some differences.

In 1934 the 58000-58249 series cars were rebuilt by having the side discharge outlets removed. The ends were opened up so the cars appeared much like the others. To my knowledge, none of these cars received panel sides.

From 1935-1939, approximately 423 of the remaining cars in series 58250-58749 were rebuilt with panel sides at DeSoto, Missouri.

The MP diagram for 58250-58499 indicates cars were rebuilt in 1935 and 1939. The diagram for 58500-58749 specifies that 190 cars were rebuilt in 1936 and 58 cars rebuilt in 1939. ORER data from the early 1940s for series 58000-58749 (all cars lumped into one group) indicate 423 cars with 1940 cu. ft. capacity (panel sides) and 312 cars with 1880 cu. ft.

M.P. photos of panel-side rebuilds include 58308 (3-35) and 58492 (5-35). An in-service photo of 58678 loaded with coal shows a panel-side rebuild date of 10-36. I obtained the latter photo from Jay Williams. As far as I can tell, the side posts didn't change.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Next flat cars

Chad Boas
 

I dont know if it made it on this list, but the F6 Seaboard flat is avalible in S scale.
Chad Boas

--- In STMFC@..., RICHARD REMIARZ <rremiarz@...> wrote:


The great thing about this list and events like Lisle is that it gives us a chance to interact, share resources, and make things happen that help the hobby. It was great to meet Chad at Lisle and get the opportunity to convince him to produce some GN flatcars. It was another discussion at Lisle over beer late at night with Bob Heninger, Rob Adams, and others that got the flow of prototype information started to Chad. Bob reached out to Staffan Ehnbom, who was able to provide drawings of a number of GN flatcars, and Bob and Staffan provided photos to Chad and Jerry Glow. What more can a GN modeler ask for (especially one that models the granite quarries of central MN and needs lots of flatcars). I was hoping to see a prototypical model of a one series of GN flatcar, and now, in the not too distant future, there will be models of 3 series of GN flatcars (and potentially 4 series) available, along with appropriate decals. Now, if we only had a model of a Dalman Andrews truck available to go with the cars.

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz
GN Willmar Division
Vadnais Heights, MN


To: STMFC@...
From: heninger@...
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:12:42 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Next flat cars



--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@ wrote:
This project got it's start at a dinner 'meeting' between Chad, GN modeler Rich Remiarz and I at the Lisle RPM. Just so you all can see the time line here. Concept, research, model.

Clark Propst
Clark,
Of course you are absolutely correct, and I should have acknowledged that fact in my email of last night. My thanks to you and Rich for putting the bug in Chad's ear about producing these cars. I too am impressed at the speed with which this project has taken off.

Regards,
Bob Heninger
Iowa City, Iowa



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Re: Cars Made OK on the C&S

Joel Holmes <lehighvalley@...>
 

Hi Bruce,

Right now I have too few connecting road cars. That is the reason I need
to increase the connecting road cars.

Joel

Joel,

So the reason you need more home road cars is not to increase the
percentage above 23%, it is to keep it at about that number as you
increase foreign road cars - whew, I was worried there <G>! I note though
that you state you need to increase cars from "connecting roads".
Consider that a good portion of this list feels that the connecting road
percentage (of boxcars) should not necessarily be inflated (or at least
not substantially) over their percentage in the national fleet. Thus,
what you may want to consider is to expand your boxcar pool, with an eye
towards the "signature cars" that were represented in the "national
fleet". Note that the cars of connecting roads may appear at higher
frequencies in specific trains, such as those handling transfers to and
from the connecting road.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


On Jan 25, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Joel Holmes wrote:

Hi Tim,

I am working on about 20 to 25 home road cars and about 10 or so
connecting road cars. I do not have enough connecting road cars. I can
afford this because I scratch build and have tons of materials on hand.
Just need decals and trucks and some misc parts.

Joel


Joel, 23% sounds close to the perfect figure for most Class 1
railroads.
During good
economic times the percentage is less, and during bad times it can be
much
higher.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Holmes" <lehighvalley@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:52:50 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Cars Made OK on the C&S

Hi Bruce,

Thank you for the information. I checked and I only have 23% of my box
cars are home road. As I had suspected, I need to increase my home road
box cars substantially. I model in the period of 1910 to 1940.

Joel



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Re: Cars Made OK on the C&S

Bruce Smith
 

Joel,

So the reason you need more home road cars is not to increase the percentage above 23%, it is to keep it at about that number as you increase foreign road cars - whew, I was worried there <G>! I note though that you state you need to increase cars from "connecting roads". Consider that a good portion of this list feels that the connecting road percentage (of boxcars) should not necessarily be inflated (or at least not substantially) over their percentage in the national fleet. Thus, what you may want to consider is to expand your boxcar pool, with an eye towards the "signature cars" that were represented in the "national fleet". Note that the cars of connecting roads may appear at higher frequencies in specific trains, such as those handling transfers to and from the connecting road.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jan 25, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Joel Holmes wrote:

Hi Tim,

I am working on about 20 to 25 home road cars and about 10 or so
connecting road cars. I do not have enough connecting road cars. I can
afford this because I scratch build and have tons of materials on hand.
Just need decals and trucks and some misc parts.

Joel


Joel, 23% sounds close to the perfect figure for most Class 1 railroads.
During good
economic times the percentage is less, and during bad times it can be much
higher.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Holmes" <lehighvalley@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:52:50 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Cars Made OK on the C&S

Hi Bruce,

Thank you for the information. I checked and I only have 23% of my box
cars are home road. As I had suspected, I need to increase my home road
box cars substantially. I model in the period of 1910 to 1940.

Joel



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Re: Something new and very exciting

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Steve,
Northern Specific Models does not have a website yet.
Rest assured that announcements will be made on a few lists when the kits are in production.
Glad we captured your attention.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Sandifer" <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

You have mentioned Northern Specific Models in a couple of emails. Who are
they and how do I get in touch with them? Google does not bring up a
website.



I like the photos of the Wabash car and want to get one when they are
available.



______________________________________________

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mailto:steve.sandifer@...

Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918

Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
dvdlwlr
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 11:34 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Something new and very exciting





What is the build date on the Wabash stock car? The photos look great but, I
model 1944 and I suspect they might be too new for me.
Dave Lawler

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Pierre"
<pierre.oliver@> wrote:

Guys,
I have just uploaded 3 images of something I've been working on this week.
It is a preproduction model of a Wabash 15000 Series stock car resin kit
in HO
scale.
The kit will be sold by Northern Specific Models. It features proper
undercuts
on the Z bracing, fully correct rivet detail, scale size side boards, etc.
The kit should be available late spring, early summer. Price is TBA.
If you're in Amherst next weekend, you'll be able to view the models at my
table. section 155 C
It will be nice to have Wabash stock cars without having to pay brass
prices.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com




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Re: Cars Made OK on the C&S

Joel Holmes <lehighvalley@...>
 

Hi Tim,

I am working on about 20 to 25 home road cars and about 10 or so
connecting road cars. I do not have enough connecting road cars. I can
afford this because I scratch build and have tons of materials on hand.
Just need decals and trucks and some misc parts.

Joel


Joel, 23% sounds close to the perfect figure for most Class 1 railroads.
During good
economic times the percentage is less, and during bad times it can be much
higher.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Holmes" <lehighvalley@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:52:50 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Cars Made OK on the C&S

Hi Bruce,

Thank you for the information. I checked and I only have 23% of my box
cars are home road. As I had suspected, I need to increase my home road
box cars substantially. I model in the period of 1910 to 1940.

Joel


Re: Cars Made OK on the C&S

Tim O'Connor
 

Joel, 23% sounds close to the perfect figure for most Class 1 railroads. During good
economic times the percentage is less, and during bad times it can be much higher.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Holmes" <lehighvalley@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:52:50 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Cars Made OK on the C&S

Hi Bruce,

Thank you for the information. I checked and I only have 23% of my box
cars are home road. As I had suspected, I need to increase my home road
box cars substantially. I model in the period of 1910 to 1940.

Joel


Re: Timken Demo Box Car

Bruce Smith
 

On Jan 25, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Andy Harman wrote:
Both cars have the same bizarre door-within-a-door with a matching end door
as if the car was intended to be placed in a passenger train, which leads
me to believe that TRBX and ACY 600 could be the same car, the latter with
more convention trucks.
An alternative explantation is that these doors may have been to allow the car to be used as an exhibit. That way you could see how the car looked on the inside with the doors closed and there was more room for displays.

Regards
Bruce

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Auburn, AL
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Re: Something new and very exciting

Steve SANDIFER
 

You have mentioned Northern Specific Models in a couple of emails. Who are
they and how do I get in touch with them? Google does not bring up a
website.



I like the photos of the Wabash car and want to get one when they are
available.



______________________________________________

J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer

mailto:steve.sandifer@...

Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918

Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
dvdlwlr
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 11:34 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Something new and very exciting





What is the build date on the Wabash stock car? The photos look great but, I
model 1944 and I suspect they might be too new for me.
Dave Lawler

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Pierre"
<pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Guys,
I have just uploaded 3 images of something I've been working on this week.
It is a preproduction model of a Wabash 15000 Series stock car resin kit
in HO
scale.
The kit will be sold by Northern Specific Models. It features proper
undercuts
on the Z bracing, fully correct rivet detail, scale size side boards, etc.
The kit should be available late spring, early summer. Price is TBA.
If you're in Amherst next weekend, you'll be able to view the models at my
table. section 155 C
It will be nice to have Wabash stock cars without having to pay brass
prices.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com


Re: Cars Made OK on the C&S

Joel Holmes <lehighvalley@...>
 

Hi Bruce,

Thank you for the information. I checked and I only have 23% of my box
cars are home road. As I had suspected, I need to increase my home road
box cars substantially. I model in the period of 1910 to 1940.

Joel

Joel,

It is VERY important to differentiate between "home road cars" on the home
road and home road boxcars... On the PRR the former was around 50% for
most of the modern steam era and while we do not have a precise figure for
the latter (boxcars), that number is closer to 20-25%, exactly what was
seen in the C&S figures. Just another piece of the puzzle that supports
the national fleet model ;^)

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Joel Holmes wrote:

Hi All,

I am curious what the percentage of home road cars were on the lines of
the eastern coal carriers such as the LV, DL&W, Erie, NYO&W, CNJ, and
RDG.
Does anyone have any idea? These coal carriers had large fleet of coal
gons and hoppers.

Thank you for your help in advance.

Joel Holmes

I am even more surprised in the relatively small portion of "home
road"
cars. Approx. 1/5 of all cars processed.
Hello all,

From what I've seen from western RRs in that era, 20% is more or less
normal. As an example, Union Pacific train lists from Wyoming (1956)
that
I reviewed showed that 18.6% of all plain boxcars were home road cars.

Take care,

Mark



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Re: Cars Made OK on the C&S

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
It is VERY important to differentiate between "home road cars" on the home road and home road boxcars... On the PRR the former was around 50% for most of the modern steam era and while we do not have a precise figure for the latter (boxcars), that number is closer to 20-25%, exactly what was seen in the C&S figures. Just another piece of the puzzle that supports the national fleet model ;^)
I agree with Bruce. In the conductor time book data I have for SP's Coast Line during 1948-1952, home road box cars were 29 percent, and T&NO box cars (closely allied, of course) another 7 percent, or a total of 36 percent of all BOX cars observed. But this particular conductor worked a lot of extra trains, especially reefer extras (empties one way, loads the other) in peak harvest season, and beet trains (again, empties and loads) in sugar beet harvest season. Those two car types dominate box cars, even though on the SP as a whole, the converse is true. Any given chunk of data needs to be viewed in context, as Bruce says.
I discussed those time book data and provided details of the data in a series of blog posts entitled "Modeling freight traffic: Coast Line, 1953," especially Parts 6, 7 and 8. Here is a link to Part 8, for anyone interested; it contains links to the two previous posts.

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/04/modeling-freight-traffic-coast-line.html

Tony Thompson
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937;
e-mail: thompson@...


Re: Repack Dates

Paul Hillman
 

Thanks Guy, (and all),

That pretty well answers the question.

I was guessing that it was between 6 and 12 months. This info answers the question for our entire STMFC time period.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: Guy Wilber<mailto:guycwilber@...>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Repack Dates



Paul asked:

> Basically asking, how often were solid-bearings repacked and the date repainted on the car-side, data-markings?
>

Before 1929 Rule 66 stated that journals should be repacked as necessary.

March 1, 1929 The ARA's Arbitration Committee revised Rule 66 and required cars in interchange be repacked every twelve months.

In 1933 the interval was increased to fifteen months.

In 1955 the interval was increased to eighteen months.

Beginning in 1958 if cars were equipped with specified journal lubricating devices the interval was twenty-four months, otherwise eighteen months through 1960.

Guy Wilber
Sparks, Nevada


Re: Cars Made OK on the C&S

Bruce Smith
 

Joel,

It is VERY important to differentiate between "home road cars" on the home road and home road boxcars... On the PRR the former was around 50% for most of the modern steam era and while we do not have a precise figure for the latter (boxcars), that number is closer to 20-25%, exactly what was seen in the C&S figures. Just another piece of the puzzle that supports the national fleet model ;^)

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Jan 25, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Joel Holmes wrote:

Hi All,

I am curious what the percentage of home road cars were on the lines of
the eastern coal carriers such as the LV, DL&W, Erie, NYO&W, CNJ, and RDG.
Does anyone have any idea? These coal carriers had large fleet of coal
gons and hoppers.

Thank you for your help in advance.

Joel Holmes

I am even more surprised in the relatively small portion of "home road"
cars. Approx. 1/5 of all cars processed.
Hello all,

From what I've seen from western RRs in that era, 20% is more or less
normal. As an example, Union Pacific train lists from Wyoming (1956) that
I reviewed showed that 18.6% of all plain boxcars were home road cars.

Take care,

Mark



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Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Ignore


Sunshine Kits 100.X sides corrected

erict1361 <erict1361@...>
 

All,

I just received some kits from Sunshine today. I ordered kit 100.4 and was pleasantly surprised to see that the high bumps of resin on the right side panels have been removed. I bought this same kit last May and had to sand off the bumps from both car sides. So if any of you were unsure about buying this kit, it looks like Martin had the problem corrected. This should true for Kits 100.1-100.12

Eric Thur


Re: Timken Demo Box Car

Andy Harman
 

At 12:51 PM 1/25/2012 -0600, you wrote:
http://www.atsfrr.com/resources/Williams/TimkenBoxCar88.jpg

had a sizeable Santa Fe logo on it. I wonder what the connection between
that box which does not have ATSF ID and the Santa Fe.
Other pics of the same car exist with a different billboard. Almost reminds me of a Lionel "Aquarium" car. I wonder if that panel was painted to go along with whatever railroad the car was demonstrating on at the time?

Andy


Re: Cars Made OK on the C&S

Joel Holmes <lehighvalley@...>
 

Hi All,

I am curious what the percentage of home road cars were on the lines of
the eastern coal carriers such as the LV, DL&W, Erie, NYO&W, CNJ, and RDG.
Does anyone have any idea? These coal carriers had large fleet of coal
gons and hoppers.

Thank you for your help in advance.

Joel Holmes

I am even more surprised in the relatively small portion of "home road"
cars. Approx. 1/5 of all cars processed.
Hello all,

From what I've seen from western RRs in that era, 20% is more or less
normal. As an example, Union Pacific train lists from Wyoming (1956) that
I reviewed showed that 18.6% of all plain boxcars were home road cars.

Take care,

Mark


Re: Cars Made OK on the C&S

Tom Vanwormer
 

I suspect this list tells more about the state of western road box cars
at the time to be available for this "high" class of freight service.
The western road equipment was taking a very heavy beating from the
loading requirements of the time.

Tom VanWormer
Monument CO

Arved wrote:



I am even more surprised in the relatively small portion of "home
road" cars. Approx. 1/5 of all cars processed.

Arved G. Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>,
richtownsend@... wrote:


Recently I was at the Colorado Railroad Museum and ran across a
series of ledgers from the mid to late 1950's titled "Cars Made OK For
Sugar, Feldspar, Plaster, Etc., On Repair Track." These were from the
Colorado & Southern Ry. I copied several pages including and
surrounding the period of interest to me (late 1958). I assume (but
don't know for sure) that these cars were "made OK" by ensuring that
they didn't leak (i.e., were watertight) and didn't have anything on
the interior that would tear the bags used for transporting, for
example, sugar. I have transcribed the copies and will post them to
the files. On the pages I copied there are 312 cars listed. They came
from 56 different railroads as shown below. I was surprised to see how
many were from D&H (5), IC (9), L&N (7), N&W (7), and SOU (16). I
offer this up just as something interesting, and not to get into a
Gilbert-Nelson discussion.
...
C&S
63
...
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Timken Demo Box Car

Steve SANDIFER
 

Did you notice that the

http://www.atsfrr.com/resources/Williams/TimkenBoxCar88.jpg

had a sizeable Santa Fe logo on it. I wonder what the connection between
that box which does not have ATSF ID and the Santa Fe.



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77025, 713-667-9417



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Dave
Pfeiffer
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:33 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Timken Demo Box Car





Andy,

The latest issue of the PRRT&HS Keystone has an extensive article on the
1948/49 Chicago Railroad Fair. There is a B&W picture from 1948 of one of
these cars being pulled by 2 ladies. The car is partially obscured by a
tree, but is clearly 2 light colors with the center band the lighter of the
two. The roof and underframe are dark presumably black. So, that's at
least 1 of these cars.

Dave Pfeiffer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Harman" <gsgondola@... <mailto:gsgondola%40gp30.com> >
To: <sTMFC@... <mailto:sTMFC%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:02 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Timken Demo Box Car

ISTR that Timken did actually have one or more box cars painted in the
"Roller Freight" demonstrator scheme that has been such a favorite of
model
manufacturers over the years. I can't remember where I saw the photo, or
if I just imagined it. Googling turns up models of every type and scale,
and some Timken ads with artist depictions of whole strings of these cars,
which I'm certain never existed - even a caboose!

I also find it ironic that most models of this car don't have roller
bearing trucks.

Can anyone confirm or deny the existence of these car(s), or even better a
link to a prototype photo?

Andy



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