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Re: Creco and Superior doors

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

...Superior doors continued to be produced through the
'40s, and 5 and 6 panel configurations were introduced in the 1950s.
They were eventually rendered obsolete by the development of sliding
plug doors in the late '50s and early '60s.

Richard Hendrickson
Superior also entered the plug door business during the mid fifties, their products are shown in the '57 CBC IIRC (it's at work), and continued making plug doors at least into the early sixties. I seem to recall the flush plug doors with four operating rods are Superior products.

Dennis


GN flats

Chad Boas
 

I have posted photos of the GN 66000 welded flat. It is just about ready to make the mold. I am working on the rivited 50' and 52' cars now and am having the deck cut for the 43'.
Please send questions about sales to me and not on the list.
Thanks, Chad Boas


Re: Creco and Superior doors

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 27, 2012, at 2:20 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
. . . there is no information in the 1940 Cyc about either Creco or
Superior doors.
I beg to differ. Pages 448 and 449 of the 1940 Cyc show BOTH
welded and riveted doors with the Creco name. And those Creco welded
door drawings from 1940 are all but identical to the Superior door
drawings in the 1943 Cyc. In other words, the original Superior door
WAS the welded version of the Creco door, which had been originally
promoted by Creco.
My apologies. Somehow, I missed that. Which establishes even more
clearly a close relationship between Creco and Superior.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Creco and Superior doors

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
. . . there is no information in the 1940 Cyc about either Creco or Superior doors.
I beg to differ. Pages 448 and 449 of the 1940 Cyc show BOTH welded and riveted doors with the Creco name. And those Creco welded door drawings from 1940 are all but identical to the Superior door drawings in the 1943 Cyc. In other words, the original Superior door WAS the welded version of the Creco door, which had been originally promoted by Creco.

Superior doors were not produced by Creco but by the Superior Car Door Co. of Chicago, though it's an interesting fact that the two companies' head offices were located at the same address in Chicago, which suggests some sort of relationship between them.
I interpret this to mean that Creco spun off the door business under a new names, as I said.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Creco and Superior doors

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 27, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Dennis Storzek wrote:
That looks like a post war Superior welded panel door... were these
ever sold under the Chicago Railway Equipment Co. (CRECo) name? I
think the door everyone was asking about was an earlier design with
pressed panels riveted together... an example would be the original
doors used on PRR X29's.
Dennis rightly observes that Creco and Superior doors are not
exactly the same thing, though they have a similar appearance. Chicago
Railway Equipment appears to have spun off their door business under
the Superior name about 1940, and thereafter there are no longer Creco
doors, just Superior. Richard Hendrickson among others knows more
about this.
The Creco door, which first appeared in the 1920s, was a three panel
riveted door, and continued to be produced into the late 1930s; there
is an ad for Creco doors in the 1937 Car Builders' Cyclopedia. Soon
afterward, the Chicago Railway Equipment Co. apparently decided that
the car door business wasn't very consonant with its brake rigging
business, and there is no information in the 1940 Cyc about either
Creco or Superior doors. However, ca. 1940, Superior all welded 7-
panel doors were introduced and they were widely adopted by many
railroads as an alternative to the familiar Youngstown riveted
corrugated steel doors. Superior doors were not produced by Creco
but by the Superior Car Door Co. of Chicago, though it's an
interesting fact that the two companies' head offices were located at
the same address in Chicago, which suggests some sort of relationship
between them. Superior doors continued to be produced through the
'40s, and 5 and 6 panel configurations were introduced in the 1950s.
They were eventually rendered obsolete by the development of sliding
plug doors in the late '50s and early '60s.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Creco door ... is this what y'all want?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:
That looks like a post war Superior welded panel door... were these ever sold under the Chicago Railway Equipment Co. (CRECo) name? I think the door everyone was asking about was an earlier design with pressed panels riveted together... an example would be the original doors used on PRR X29's.
Dennis rightly observes that Creco and Superior doors are not exactly the same thing, though they have a similar appearance. Chicago Railway Equipment appears to have spun off their door business under the Superior name about 1940, and thereafter there are no longer Creco doors, just Superior. Richard Hendrickson among others knows more about this.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Creco door ... is this what y'all want?

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "SMMW" <jimking3@...> wrote:

I designed a 10-0 Creco door for my Tennessee Central car and sell the doors
as part of my detail parts line. If these are the same doors that have been
discussed recently, the work is already "done" and castings have been
available March 2011. Contact me off-list if you are interested. The link
to my details web page is below.



http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/detail_parts_%28HO%29.html
That looks like a post war Superior welded panel door... were these ever sold under the Chicago Railway Equipment Co. (CRECo) name? I think the door everyone was asking about was an earlier design with pressed panels riveted together... an example would be the original doors used on PRR X29's.

Dennis


Re: Creco door ... is this what y'all want?

Rich C
 

Jim, You are also providing much needed detail parts that should attract other modelers myself included. The Creco door being discussed is the 3 panel, used on some 1937 10' IH Box Cars on C&O, C&EI?, NKP & M&Stl, too name a few.
 
Rich Christie


________________________________
From: SMMW <jimking3@charter.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 5:28 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Creco door ... is this what y'all want?


 
I designed a 10-0 Creco door for my Tennessee Central car and sell the doors
as part of my detail parts line. If these are the same doors that have been
discussed recently, the work is already "done" and castings have been
available March 2011. Contact me off-list if you are interested. The link
to my details web page is below.

http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/detail_parts_%28HO%29.html

Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>

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1937 AAR 10'0" boxcar kits

Andy Carlson
 

I have both Intermountain and Red Caboose 1937 AAR 10'0" IH 40' boxcar kits
offered for sale in HO.

Intermountain #40799 undec '37 AAR single door boxcar kit (have 4)
..................................$9.50/each
Red Caboose # 8001 undec '37 AAR single door Sq-corner boxcar kit (have 4)
.................$16.00/each
Red Caboose #8002 undec '37 AAR single door W-corner boxcar kit (have
12)................. $16.00/each
RC #8026-2h Pittsburgh & Lake Erie w/ black NYC herald7-40 lettering
scheme................$16.00
RC #8053-2 Pittsburgh & Lake Erie plain herald, no black 6-49 paint
scheme......................$16.00
RC #8092-4 Pittsburgh & Lake Erie spelled out lg block lettering, reweigh
1957.................$16.00
RC #8086-(1,2,3 &4) Lake Superior & Ishpeming w/o herald Lg spelled out
lettering 10-51..$15.00/each
RC #8529-6 Northern Pacific double door '37 AAR boxcar 11-62
.......................................$16.00
RC #8100-7 Santa Fe Super Chief strt line map 4-46
...........................................................$17.00
IMWX/DesPlaines Viking roof Chicago Eastern Illinois Buy War bonds 6-42
...................$20.00

Shipping is $3.50/1st car, by weight and zip code after that. Questions can be
directed to me (Off-list, please) at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
I accept checks and money orders. I can accept PayPal with a $1.00
surcharge/car.

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson


new decals

jerryglow2
 

Artwork is done and now taking orders for decals for the 3 GN flatcars
Chad is doing. Also did another "y'all" car - a 10'6" IH boxcar for
Colombia, Newberry and Laurens. There's also a set for an SP AAR '37
repainted with spelled out "Southern Pacific". Please keep inquiries
OFF LIST.


--
Jerry Glow
The Villages FL
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals


Re: Preserved stock cars

dennyanspach <danspach@...>
 

The California State Railroad Museum has in its collections Western Pacific stock car #75893, a converted box car originally built in 1916. I personally picked out this car (and two DS box cars) from a WP/SN scrap line in 1971. This event was prompted by an unexpected call from the WP to "get over there (West Sacramento), pick out the cars that you want. They are all going tomorrow."

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Preserved stock cars

al_brown03
 

McCarter, "Guide to the Milwaukee Road in Montana", p 65, says this is a Milwaukee Road car. I don't know how dependable this source is, but the car in the Park Service photo does sorta resemble Westerfield kit #8201.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <kruegerp@...> wrote:

The National Park Service has a stock car at the Grant-Kohrs Ranch National Historic Site in MT. They don't identify the railroad though.

http://www.hscl.cr.nps.gov/insidenps/report.asp?STATE=MT&PARK=GRKO&STRUCTURE=stock%20car&SORT=&RECORDNO=1

It looks like they have a wood sheathed NP box car too (click on record 2).

Paul
Seattle, W

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Sandifer" <steve.sandifer@> wrote:

I'm accumulating a list of preserved stock cars around the country. If you know of one in a museum near you, please send me the information. Ones I have seen include:
http://atsfrr.net/resources/Sandifer/Clinics/Stk/PresStk.htm
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417


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Re: Preserved stock cars

Steve SANDIFER
 

Thanks.
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:16 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Preserved stock cars



The National Park Service has a stock car at the Grant-Kohrs Ranch National Historic Site in MT. They don't identify the railroad though.

http://www.hscl.cr.nps.gov/insidenps/report.asp?STATE=MT&PARK=GRKO&STRUCTURE=stock%20car&SORT=&RECORDNO=1

It looks like they have a wood sheathed NP box car too (click on record 2).

Paul
Seattle, W

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Sandifer" <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:
>
> I'm accumulating a list of preserved stock cars around the country. If you know of one in a museum near you, please send me the information. Ones I have seen include:
> http://atsfrr.net/resources/Sandifer/Clinics/Stk/PresStk.htm
> ______________
> J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
> mailto:steve.sandifer@...
> Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
> Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417
>
>
>
>


Re: A&EC 40' boxcar

Benjamin Hom
 

Mark Morgan asked:
"Just purchased a shell and when this arrived the model is a Des Plaines IMWX
40'

boxcar.
The roof, doors and trucks are missing. I found one picture online and found out

these are former Southern cars.

What roof, doors and trucks might be correct. One would look good on the
roster!"


Teaching you how to fish - this should get you started:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarpdfmain.html


Ben Hom


A&EC 40' boxcar

Mark
 

Just purchased a shell and when this arrived the model is a Des Plaines IMWX 40' boxcar.
The roof, doors and trucks are missing. I found one picture online and found out these are former Southern cars.

What roof, doors and trucks might be correct. One would look good on the roster!

Mark Morgan


Re: Easy To Model Load

Joel Holmes <lehighvalley@...>
 

Hi Tony,

Good point.

Joel Holmes

Steve Vallee wrote:
I found this gem on page 6 of the June, 1967 issue of Railroad
Magazine:
Last winter the bill of lading on a gondola car from Chicago
listed the shipment as a load of snow. A Rock Island yard man at
Fort worth, Texas, found the car sandwiched between boxcars of
merchandise. Said he, "I guess they were cleaning the tracks in
Chicago after the big blizzard and shipped the snow down here to get
rid of it." He was right. Other cities in the South also got snow
shipments.
I know this news item takes place past the cutoff time for this
Group, but I think that if any member has a steam era gondola or two
that they have and want a "unique" load for them, this is perfect.
And the best part of it is whatever way you model the snow, it'll be
"prototypical"!
And when it melts, it can be a test of how well you have
modeled trackside ditches for drainage <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Easy To Model Load

Joel Holmes <lehighvalley@...>
 

Hi Steve,

That has happened more than just in 1967. A very large blizzard in the
early 80's caused a lot of snow to be shipped south. I am sure it will
happen every time Chicago get dumped on.

Joel Holmes

Dear Group...

� I found this gem on page 6 of the June, 1967 issue of Railroad Magazine:


� Last winter the bill of lading on a gondola car from Chicago listed the
shipment as a load of snow. A Rock Island yard man at Fort worth, Texas,
found the car sandwiched between boxcars of merchandise. Said he, "I guess
they were cleaning the tracks in Chicago after the big blizzard and
shipped the snow down here to get rid of it." He was right. Other cities
in the South also got snow shipments.


� I know this news item takes place past the cutoff time for this Group,
but I think that if any member has a steam era gondola or two that they
have and want a "unique" load for them, this is perfect. And the best part
of it is whatever way you model the snow, it'll be
"prototypical"!

� Steve Vallee






Re: Easy To Model Load

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Vallee wrote:
I found this gem on page 6 of the June, 1967 issue of Railroad Magazine:
Last winter the bill of lading on a gondola car from Chicago listed the shipment as a load of snow. A Rock Island yard man at Fort worth, Texas, found the car sandwiched between boxcars of merchandise. Said he, "I guess they were cleaning the tracks in Chicago after the big blizzard and shipped the snow down here to get rid of it." He was right. Other cities in the South also got snow shipments.
I know this news item takes place past the cutoff time for this Group, but I think that if any member has a steam era gondola or two that they have and want a "unique" load for them, this is perfect. And the best part of it is whatever way you model the snow, it'll be
"prototypical"!
And when it melts, it can be a test of how well you have modeled trackside ditches for drainage <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Easy To Model Load

Steve Vallee
 

Dear Group...

  I found this gem on page 6 of the June, 1967 issue of Railroad Magazine:


  Last winter the bill of lading on a gondola car from Chicago listed the shipment as a load of snow. A Rock Island yard man at Fort worth, Texas, found the car sandwiched between boxcars of merchandise. Said he, "I guess they were cleaning the tracks in Chicago after the big blizzard and shipped the snow down here to get rid of it." He was right. Other cities in the South also got snow shipments.


  I know this news item takes place past the cutoff time for this Group, but I think that if any member has a steam era gondola or two that they have and want a "unique" load for them, this is perfect. And the best part of it is whatever way you model the snow, it'll be
"prototypical"!

  Steve Vallee



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Savannah and Marion RPM Meets

seaboard_1966
 

I am involved with 2 RPM meets, the Savannah RPM and the Marion RPM. Both of these meets are coming up in the near future. The Savannah Meet is planned for March 23-24 at the Port Wentworth Community Center. This facility is located on Appleby Drive in Port Wentworth, GA.

The 2012 Marion RPM Meet will be held April 12-14 at Marion Union Station, Marion, Ohio.

Please make plans to attend these meets.

We are also looking for clinicians for both of these meets. If you are planning to attend and can present a clinic we are most interested in hearing from you.



Denis Blake
Savannah RPM
Central Ohio RPM

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