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Prototype Waybills

Charles Hostetler <cesicjh@...>
 

Again at Cocoa Beach I was inspired by Tony Thompson's work on developing prototype waybills (thank you again Tony), and have made a stab at developing a system and format that might work on my layout, which is relatively small and operates a relatively small number of cars. I've described my first try and thought process behind it at:

http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2012/02/my-first-try-toward-prototype-waybill.html

I would appreciate any feedback from those of you on the list that are working on this problem. I'm pretty early in the design process and would appreciate any comments and suggestions for improvement. Please reply off-list (I'm looking for feedback specific to my situation) unless you think your comments would be of general interest to the group.

Best Regards,

Charles Hostetler
Goshen, IN


Re: Kahn's HO scale decals needed

Richard Townsend
 

One could look at it here: http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/367/26933/march-1997-page-19


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
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To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thu, Feb 9, 2012 1:16 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Kahn's HO scale decals needed




The photo is credited to Ernest Stefan, and a copy was published in RMJ 3/97, p 19. In the library's index, "form image" is given as NB 01109.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:

Bruce,

Is this photo easily available from the Kalmbach Library at the NMRA?
Can you provide the collection name or a reference number to the photo
so one can order a copy?

Thanks,

Bob Witt

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@> wrote:

Folks,

Al Brown and I are working on what we think might be one of the last
examples of the PRR RF refer (based on the XL boxcar) in service, circa
1944. These cars were part of the early FGE fleet and were then moved
to the NX fleet. Subsequently, some were leased to Kahn's. Thanks to
Al, who discovered a 1941 photo of EKSX 1046 in a magazine at Prototype
Rails this year, we were able to get a copy of that photo from the
Kalmbach Memorial Library at the NMRA (alas, I can't post it due to
ownership issues). It looks like a small number of these cars remained
in service, at least through the 1943 ORER. The cars appear to have the
standard "FGE/NX" style lettering for "THE E. KAHN'S SONS COMPANY",
"EKSX" and "BRINE TANK REFRIGERATOR" in black on the sides and the
reporting marks and number in white on the ends. While the Brine tank
lettering can be had from the 5th Avenue Car shops NX set, the Kahn's
lettering is more problematic.

Both Champ (HR-50) and Walthers made decals that we think would work
and we were wondering if any of you might have one (or better two!) in
your stash that you would be willing to part with? Please email me OFF
LIST at smithbf at auburn.edu.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Westferfield gondola opinions

Ashley Pollard <ashley@...>
 

On 08/02/2012 19:45, tyesac@... wrote:

If by chance you model the Milwaukee Rd, could that car plausible wound up in MOW service?
Great idea, but unfortunately I don't model the Milwaukee.


--
Ashley Pollard
Ashley@...

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Re: Kahn's HO scale decals needed

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

Easy as can be. I think it cost me $7 for a hi res scan on a CD

It is image number NB 01109, E. Kahns Sons Co, refrigerator car EKSK 1046, Washington DC, photo by E. Stefan, 1941.

I just checked and it has not been uploaded to the archives as yet, so you can't see it online... I was kinda hoping that they would since they had to scan it for me anyway ;^)

Regards
Bruce

On Feb 9, 2012, at 12:23 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:

Bruce,

Is this photo easily available from the Kalmbach Library at the NMRA?
Can you provide the collection name or a reference number to the photo
so one can order a copy?

Thanks,

Bob Witt

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

Al Brown and I are working on what we think might be one of the last
examples of the PRR RF refer (based on the XL boxcar) in service, circa
1944. These cars were part of the early FGE fleet and were then moved
to the NX fleet. Subsequently, some were leased to Kahn's. Thanks to
Al, who discovered a 1941 photo of EKSX 1046 in a magazine at Prototype
Rails this year, we were able to get a copy of that photo from the
Kalmbach Memorial Library at the NMRA (alas, I can't post it due to
ownership issues). It looks like a small number of these cars remained
in service, at least through the 1943 ORER. The cars appear to have the
standard "FGE/NX" style lettering for "THE E. KAHN'S SONS COMPANY",
"EKSX" and "BRINE TANK REFRIGERATOR" in black on the sides and the
reporting marks and number in white on the ends. While the Brine tank
lettering can be had from the 5th Avenue Car shops NX set, the Kahn's
lettering is more problematic.

Both Champ (HR-50) and Walthers made decals that we think would work
and we were wondering if any of you might have one (or better two!) in
your stash that you would be willing to part with? Please email me OFF
LIST at smithbf at auburn.edu.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Yahoo! Groups Links



Re: Paint color suggestions for Reading USRA box 1945-50

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Hello Group,

The RCT&HS web site list in its suggested colors for rolling stock that for Freight Car Brown use Floquil Boxcar Red or Scalecoate Boxcar Red.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Feb 9, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

Ken,

RPC Vol. 3 lists RDG as 1 part boxcar red and 1 part oxide red with Floquil
Railroad Colors. Roads that are listed with the same mix include RI, SAL,
C&O (40s and 50s), CNW (40s), Erie (40s), GN&N, GN (postwar), KCS, L&N, etc.
If you're using acrylics, you may find a mix published somewhere for one of
the other roads listed and use that for RDG. Check the RITS web site for
starters.

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
krowth3249
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 2:37 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Paint color suggestions for Reading USRA box 1945-50

I've tried to search a bit for paint ideas on RDG's version of boxcar red
(1945-50), but haven't found too much other than a general "Scalecoat boxcar
red"-type suggestion. BTW searching the keyword "Reading" isn't that easy!

I'm wondering if their red was more oxide like other eastern roads such as
Pennsy, B&O, etc? Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Ken Roth

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Re: Paint color suggestions for Reading USRA box 1945-50

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Ken,



RPC Vol. 3 lists RDG as 1 part boxcar red and 1 part oxide red with Floquil
Railroad Colors. Roads that are listed with the same mix include RI, SAL,
C&O (40s and 50s), CNW (40s), Erie (40s), GN&N, GN (postwar), KCS, L&N, etc.
If you're using acrylics, you may find a mix published somewhere for one of
the other roads listed and use that for RDG. Check the RITS web site for
starters.



Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
krowth3249
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 2:37 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Paint color suggestions for Reading USRA box 1945-50





I've tried to search a bit for paint ideas on RDG's version of boxcar red
(1945-50), but haven't found too much other than a general "Scalecoat boxcar
red"-type suggestion. BTW searching the keyword "Reading" isn't that easy!

I'm wondering if their red was more oxide like other eastern roads such as
Pennsy, B&O, etc? Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Ken Roth


Re: Kahn's HO scale decals needed

al_brown03
 

The photo is credited to Ernest Stefan, and a copy was published in RMJ 3/97, p 19. In the library's index, "form image" is given as NB 01109.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:

Bruce,

Is this photo easily available from the Kalmbach Library at the NMRA?
Can you provide the collection name or a reference number to the photo
so one can order a copy?

Thanks,

Bob Witt

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@> wrote:

Folks,

Al Brown and I are working on what we think might be one of the last
examples of the PRR RF refer (based on the XL boxcar) in service, circa
1944. These cars were part of the early FGE fleet and were then moved
to the NX fleet. Subsequently, some were leased to Kahn's. Thanks to
Al, who discovered a 1941 photo of EKSX 1046 in a magazine at Prototype
Rails this year, we were able to get a copy of that photo from the
Kalmbach Memorial Library at the NMRA (alas, I can't post it due to
ownership issues). It looks like a small number of these cars remained
in service, at least through the 1943 ORER. The cars appear to have the
standard "FGE/NX" style lettering for "THE E. KAHN'S SONS COMPANY",
"EKSX" and "BRINE TANK REFRIGERATOR" in black on the sides and the
reporting marks and number in white on the ends. While the Brine tank
lettering can be had from the 5th Avenue Car shops NX set, the Kahn's
lettering is more problematic.

Both Champ (HR-50) and Walthers made decals that we think would work
and we were wondering if any of you might have one (or better two!) in
your stash that you would be willing to part with? Please email me OFF
LIST at smithbf at auburn.edu.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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Paint color suggestions for Reading USRA box 1945-50

Ken Roth
 

I've tried to search a bit for paint ideas on RDG's version of boxcar red (1945-50), but haven't found too much other than a general "Scalecoat boxcar red"-type suggestion. BTW searching the keyword "Reading" isn't that easy!

I'm wondering if their red was more oxide like other eastern roads such as Pennsy, B&O, etc? Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Ken Roth


Re: Kahn's HO scale decals needed

rwitt_2000
 

Bruce,

Is this photo easily available from the Kalmbach Library at the NMRA?
Can you provide the collection name or a reference number to the photo
so one can order a copy?

Thanks,

Bob Witt

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Folks,

Al Brown and I are working on what we think might be one of the last
examples of the PRR RF refer (based on the XL boxcar) in service, circa
1944. These cars were part of the early FGE fleet and were then moved
to the NX fleet. Subsequently, some were leased to Kahn's. Thanks to
Al, who discovered a 1941 photo of EKSX 1046 in a magazine at Prototype
Rails this year, we were able to get a copy of that photo from the
Kalmbach Memorial Library at the NMRA (alas, I can't post it due to
ownership issues). It looks like a small number of these cars remained
in service, at least through the 1943 ORER. The cars appear to have the
standard "FGE/NX" style lettering for "THE E. KAHN'S SONS COMPANY",
"EKSX" and "BRINE TANK REFRIGERATOR" in black on the sides and the
reporting marks and number in white on the ends. While the Brine tank
lettering can be had from the 5th Avenue Car shops NX set, the Kahn's
lettering is more problematic.

Both Champ (HR-50) and Walthers made decals that we think would work
and we were wondering if any of you might have one (or better two!) in
your stash that you would be willing to part with? Please email me OFF
LIST at smithbf at auburn.edu.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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NWX and WRX

Bill Welch
 

I have a vague recollection reading somewhere that North Western
Refrigerator Line and Western Refrigerator Line were linked
operationally and the addresses for billing for both are the same 231
S. La Salle St. in Chicago. They also shared for a time at least the
very same reefer gray paint scheme and used cars designed by AC&F.
This arrangement appears the same sort collaborative and cooperative
arrangement the FGE/WFE/BRE System. Is there anyone out there can
anymore about the two companies and how their combined operations
played out. For example, were their cars pooled?

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@...


Re: How to upload photos

jerryglow2
 

I avoid "free" hosting sites as you lose control of content and presentation but worst is all the ads and popups associated with them. Most internet providers offer space for personal web sites and such. Comcast offers 1GB - you can put up a lot of pics on that!

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Harman <gsgondola@...> wrote:

At 06:54 AM 2/7/2012 +0000, you wrote:

Another way ["Teach a man to fish"] would be as follows:
1) Go to the STMFC Yahoo!Group homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/
You can only do this if your email is registered with yahoo and you used
the yahoo groups web site to join the group. If you signed up using an
email subscribe, you can't upload (or view) photos, period.

I actually am signed up twice, once with a dummy yahoo id so I can view
photos if need be.

Of course you can always make your own photo site wherever - either your
own or one of the many "free" photo hosting sites, and just post links to
the list.

Andy


Re: 3-D printer

lnnrr <lnnrr@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "soolinehistory" <destorzek@...> wrote:

If you can generate scanned data at ten times better resolution than the process can build, why would you want it built to the coarser resolution, then have someone hand polish it to only an approximation of the original data? Wouldn't you just want the process to replicate the data?

That's the question that's going to drive the development to the point where it becomes truly useful for our purpose.

Dennis
Dennis, your hand polish remark reminds me of a machine shop
instructor I had. His comment on machine shop practice was that
the management bought the best machines they could afford, hired
the best machinists available, gave them the best material, then
sent the machinists work to the deburring bench. At this bench was
the lowest paid man in the shop, using a hand file, and he was
supposed to "improve" the machinists work. Not likely.
So I think we can agree that hand polishing is not going to cure
the wedding cake effect in an accurate fashion. Smearing on more
icing won't achieve where we want this technology to go.
Is our best bet to urge funding NASA and hoping they will drive
the research we need? Their research was a start on DCC, maybe
they can help rapid prototyping.
Chuck Peck


Re: diagonal panel roof

Tim O'Connor
 

And in addition, diagonal panel and rectangular panel roofs were applied
concurrently for at least two years, 1948 and 1949. I can't find any examples
of RP roofs applied after 1949...

Tim O'

Robert,

The AAR's Car Construction Committee revised all the 1500 series plates making the diagonal panel roofs (riveted and welded) standard in October of 1947. Thru the history of this list we have never seen evidence of the diagonal panel applied until 1948.

Guy Wilber
Sparks, Nevada


Re: How to upload photos

Andy Harman
 

At 06:54 AM 2/7/2012 +0000, you wrote:

Another way ["Teach a man to fish"] would be as follows:
1) Go to the STMFC Yahoo!Group homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/
You can only do this if your email is registered with yahoo and you used the yahoo groups web site to join the group. If you signed up using an email subscribe, you can't upload (or view) photos, period.

I actually am signed up twice, once with a dummy yahoo id so I can view photos if need be.

Of course you can always make your own photo site wherever - either your own or one of the many "free" photo hosting sites, and just post links to the list.

Andy


DL&W info on ELHS site

Brian Carlson
 

Figured I'd cross post this before SGL did. For those who might be
interested in this sort of stuff.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga, NY

List,
In our continuing efforts to make content available on the ELHS website, I
added 10 years worth of DL&W carloand and commodity reports to the ELHS
site tonight. They are pdf files and can be found at the following link:

http://tinyurl.com/7bhwzf8

Thanks to Frank Adams for providing these from his collection via the PA
State Archive.

Steve


Re: diagonal panel roof

Guy Wilber
 

Robert,

The AAR's Car Construction Committee revised all the 1500 series plates making the diagonal panel roofs (riveted and welded) standard in October of 1947. Thru the history of this list we have never seen evidence of the diagonal panel applied until 1948.

Guy Wilber
Sparks, Nevada
On Feb 8, 2012, at 12:40 PM, "dssa1051" <dssa1051@...> wrote:

What date is considered the first use of the diagonal panel roof?

Robert Oom


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Re: B&O box car info needed

Clark Propst
 


B&O 385355 was an M53A wagon top box car built in 1941, and you sent
me the best photo I have of that class, B&O 385725, from the Mason
City Public Library collection.


Richard Hendrickson
Thanks Richard! (slapping self with palm of hand of forehead)


Steam, Diesel and Electric Runbys on GN, NP, Mil and SP&S

gary laakso
 

This 10 minute long clip on Youtube from the David Wilkie estate includes some spectacular runby scenes of trains, including a NP Z-6 4-6-6-4 under speed. The weathering pattern on the reefers show really sharp contrasts between bright shiny units and those under lots of grime and NP boxcars in many shades of boxcar red.
The estate series of 70 tapes does include UP operations in Cheyenne, including steam, diesel, turbines and the obligatory N&W boxcar and GN boxcar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-2eJzdrIJE&feature=bf_next&list=UUE_zIRmzRGX6MqqMauhWysw&lf=plcp

gary laakso
vasa0vasa@...


Re: diagonal panel roof

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Robert Oom wrote:
What date is considered the first use of the diagonal panel roof?
1948 for production use. I don't know when the very first one was applied.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: diagonal panel roof

 

Robert, it would be about 1949
 
Rich Christie


________________________________
From: dssa1051 <dssa1051@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 2:40 PM
Subject: [STMFC] diagonal panel roof


 
What date is considered the first use of the diagonal panel roof?

Robert Oom

88761 - 88780 of 195610