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Re: 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon

michaelegross <michaelEGross@...>
 

You are correct, Tim: I saw the O-Scale decals offered on the Protocraft site, but actually have HO-Scale decals and was therefore looking for an HO-Scale model—which, by the way, I have since found.

Thank you for the offer of an extra Red Caboose model but, for the moment, I am covered.

Cheers!

Michael

Michael Gross
La Cañada, CA

On Mar 1, 2012, at 4:20 PM, timboconnor@comcast.net wrote:


Or did you mean you saw an O-scale model but you have HO scale decals?? :-)

I also have extra Red Caboose HO scale models.

I actually have one decorated in the Monon gray paint scheme but I've already started
building that one.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "michaelegross" <michaelEGross@aol.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:54:33 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon

Dear Tim,

Many thanks for the effort to clarify, as I know this gets confusing.

What happened is that I saw a box car photo on the O-Scale Protocraft site with a Monon Hoosier Line slogan. I said I had a Champ Decal set with that same slogan and wondered where I could get that particular car.

Richard Hendrickson chimed in to say that the Champ decal was made for another car entirely, one with a 10'0" inside height, numbered in the 9000 series. The decal does, in fact, call for a 10 IH car, so I am currently looking for a Red Caboose 1937 AAR 10' IH car with 4/5 ends and w-corner posts.

Sorry for the confusion, and I much appreciate your jumping in with your question.

Best wishes,

Michael

Michael Gross
La Ca�ada, CA 91011-3542

On Mar 1, 2012, at 3:38 PM, timboconnor@comcast.net wrote:


Are you guys confusing the Red Caboose 1937 box cars (available with W and S corners) with the postwar
box cars made by Red Caboose (originally Front Range, redone by RC)?? I'm only asking because the Monon
car being discussed was 10'6" IH (noted in the original email) and the 1937 box car is 10'0". In any case only
Branchline and C&BT made the 10'6" IH cars with the 1944 4/4 rolling pin ends (in plastic).

Tim O'Connor

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From: "michaelegross" <michaelEGross@aol.com>

Yes, thank you, Ed. I am looking for the W-Corners. Put out an e-mail to Red Caboose several days ago. They still sell undec kits from their website but, as I have had no reply as yet, I may go searching hobby shops.

Thanks again for the information. The help is always appreciated.

Cheers!
Michael

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Re: 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon

william darnaby
 

I would strongly suggest, with the best possible intentions, that you ditch
the Champ set and use the accurate Monon decals from Model Railroad Supply.

Bill Darnaby

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michaelegross
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 5:55 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon

Dear Tim,

Many thanks for the effort to clarify, as I know this gets confusing.

What happened is that I saw a box car photo on the O-Scale Protocraft site
with a Monon Hoosier Line slogan. I said I had a Champ Decal set with that
same slogan and wondered where I could get that particular car.

Richard Hendrickson chimed in to say that the Champ decal was made for
another car entirely, one with a 10'0" inside height, numbered in the 9000
series. The decal does, in fact, call for a 10 IH car, so I am currently
looking for a Red Caboose 1937 AAR 10' IH car with 4/5 ends and w-corner
posts.

Sorry for the confusion, and I much appreciate your jumping in with your
question.

Best wishes,

Michael

Michael Gross
La Cañada, CA 91011-3542


Re: C&WI Haskell & Barker Gondola

tedander2000
 

For those accurate dimensions and super detailing, keep the IRM Pullman Library in mind. It took us 8 months with the help of Dennis Storzak to get the fragmenting H&B drawings from tubes onto stable backing and organized into flat files. Your orders for one, two or more drawings copies will allow us to continue restoring more items in the vast collection. We may have drawings on the gondolla including the general drawing. Dennis if you are watching, all the freight correspondence files are racked in the new storage facility and we can start looking up freight car lot numbers per requests, transferring the lot files to archival file boxes as we look up the given numbers.
Ted Anderson, Pullman Library curator <pullmanlibrary@irm.org>

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bob McCarthy <thesupplycar@...> wrote:

Paul,

     Could you share an image or two with me off line?

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy

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From: Paul Hillman <chris_hillman@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: C&WI Haskell & Barker Gondola
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 3:32 AM
















 









Thanks for the kind words.



These cars were built starting around 1906 for the C&WI (I think). At one time they had 600 gondolas on their roster. I don't know when they were finally retired, maybe in the 1970's. They were in use in the 1960's. I saw them personally in the early '60's and they appear in several photos of Dearborn Station and elsewhere in the '60's. So, they fit into the entire STMFC timeline covered.



I'm modeling the Chicago area in 1950, including the C&WI Dearborn Station. For me these cars are a must-have, and I've been wanting to build them for about 50 years. Grew up in Chicago along the C&WI mainline to Dolton, Ill.



The HO model started with a Funaro & Camerlengo resin kit based on a Rutland RR car. Basswood was used for the ends and end-beams, styrene for straps, I-beams and other parts, and Archer rivets.



The basic car is very light. I cast low-temp, car-weighting material, metal bars, and glued them between the 2 frame center-beams. I made a wooden form to the dimensions of between the center-beams, cut the low-temp into pieces, then melted it with a soldering iron to melt and flow-into the wood-form. It still needs some more weight but there's not much room except at the 4 underframe corners, without terribly mutating the underbody appearance.



On another list, one member said that the (probably) last remaining C&WI survivor of this car, at the Illinois RR Museum, which was is poor shape, had finally fallen apart during a recent severe wind storm. If I were a rich man, I would offer to buy the remaining car and all of it's metal parts, and rebuild it. All it would take is a bunch of wood and work, and maybe would be easier than building this model under a microscope. (Magnifiers for all us old geezers???)



Paul Hillman



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Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:06 PM

Subject: [STMFC] Re: C&WI Haskell & Barker Gondola



Paul,

Very nice work! What time-frame does this car fit into? I assume the model is HO? Is the model made from Basswood, brass or styrene or all? Did you add any weight to enhance the cars tracking?

Sorry for so many questions, when I see such an obviously well done model, I like to pick up any pointers I can.



Regards,

Greg Rich































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Re: Wine traveling on the Overland Route in 1949

Rossiter, Mark W <Mark.Rossiter@...>
 

"And in this corner, wearing the purple trunks and giving his take on
how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin . . ."



At the end of the day, this all boils down to building more accurate
models of freight cars, right? We are talking about model freight cars,
not world hunger or global warming.



- - Mark


Re: REQUEST FOR INFO.

Guy Wilber
 

Ed wrote:

Can anyone tell me: 1)when were placard boards moved to the low position on box car doors and ends; and 2)when were power handbrakes made mandotory on all cars used in interchange service, or if they were not made mandorory, did some other rule make it impossible to use anything else and be in compliance.

If possible, please sight a reference.
Geared hand brakes were required on new and rebuilt cars (in interchange) on, and after, January 1, 1937. There is no provision within the AAR's Interchange Rules making geared hand brakes mandatory on all cars within the timeframe of this list.

Guy Wilber
Sparks, Nevada


Re: 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon

Tim O'Connor
 

Or did you mean you saw an O-scale model but you have HO scale decals?? :-)

I also have extra Red Caboose HO scale models.

I actually have one decorated in the Monon gray paint scheme but I've already started
building that one.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "michaelegross" <michaelEGross@aol.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:54:33 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon

Dear Tim,

Many thanks for the effort to clarify, as I know this gets confusing.

What happened is that I saw a box car photo on the O-Scale Protocraft site with a Monon Hoosier Line slogan. I said I had a Champ Decal set with that same slogan and wondered where I could get that particular car.

Richard Hendrickson chimed in to say that the Champ decal was made for another car entirely, one with a 10'0" inside height, numbered in the 9000 series. The decal does, in fact, call for a 10 IH car, so I am currently looking for a Red Caboose 1937 AAR 10' IH car with 4/5 ends and w-corner posts.

Sorry for the confusion, and I much appreciate your jumping in with your question.

Best wishes,

Michael

Michael Gross
La Ca�ada, CA 91011-3542

On Mar 1, 2012, at 3:38 PM, timboconnor@comcast.net wrote:


Are you guys confusing the Red Caboose 1937 box cars (available with W and S corners) with the postwar
box cars made by Red Caboose (originally Front Range, redone by RC)?? I'm only asking because the Monon
car being discussed was 10'6" IH (noted in the original email) and the 1937 box car is 10'0". In any case only
Branchline and C&BT made the 10'6" IH cars with the 1944 4/4 rolling pin ends (in plastic).

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "michaelegross" <michaelEGross@aol.com>

Yes, thank you, Ed. I am looking for the W-Corners. Put out an e-mail to Red Caboose several days ago. They still sell undec kits from their website but, as I have had no reply as yet, I may go searching hobby shops.

Thanks again for the information. The help is always appreciated.

Cheers!
Michael

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Re: 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon

Andy Carlson
 

The title says 10'-6", the Red Caboose kits are 1937 AAR at 10'-0" IH.

I know that this is not Friday, but I have Red Caboose W-corner AAR 40' undec
boxcar kits in stock. Please make any responses off-list.
<midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





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From: michaelegross <michaelEGross@aol.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, March 1, 2012 3:21:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon


Yes, thank you, Ed. I am looking for the W-Corners. Put out an e-mail to Red
Caboose several days ago. They still sell undec kits from their website but, as
I have had no reply as yet, I may go searching hobby shops.

Thanks again for the information. The help is always appreciated.

Cheers!

Michael

Michael Gross
La Cañada, CA

On Mar 1, 2012, at 7:55 AM, tyesac@aol.com wrote:


MIke,

Make sure you get the RC car with the correct end for your needs. I think these
are the old IMWX cars and came with "square corners" and "W corners", which are
the more rounded off corners.

Tom Casey

Thank you, Ed. This gets more and more interesting. Did you see Richard
endrickson's reply? It looks as if Red Caboose has got me covered.
Thanks and best wishes!
Michael
Michael Gross
a Ca�ada, CA 91011-3542

-----Original Message-----
From: michaelegross <michaelEGross@aol.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:28 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon

Thank you, Ed. This gets more and more interesting. Did you see Richard
endrickson's reply? It looks as if Red Caboose has got me covered.
Thanks and best wishes!
Michael
Michael Gross
a Ca�ada, CA 91011-3542

n Feb 27, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:
On Feb 27, 2012, at 5:22 PM, atsfnut wrote:

I am fairly new to the group and, though primarily a Santa Fe
modeler, I have an old set of Champ decals with the Monon "Hoosier
Line" slogan to the right of the door, and would love to paint and
decal a box car to accept these decals. I note on the O-Scale
Protocraft website that they offer a set of decals for that Monon car,
which they say was a 1944 aar 10'-6 " IH box car from
pullman-standard, lot 5860. I can't quite tell from the Protocraft
photo on the site what the end configuration of that car might be, but
it looks to be a 4/4.

The description is at:
http://protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=305&Categoryid=20

My question: is there a manufactured car out there for that 1944 AAR
car, or might this entail a difficult kitbash?
Michael,
The cars in question as shown in the Protocraft decal set, CIL 1-500
built ca. June 1947, had 10-panel welded sides, Murphy panel roofs, and
as you stated 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught ends. Interestingly, the
Pullman-Standard lot number list actually specifies the cars as being
PS-1 box cars although they lacked the Pullman proprietary ends and
roofs. Coincident with these Monon box cars, the first PS-1 box cars
having the Pullman ends and roofs began production in June 1947 with
the building of Lehigh Valley 62000-62499.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Re: 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon

michaelegross <michaelEGross@...>
 

Dear Tim,

Many thanks for the effort to clarify, as I know this gets confusing.

What happened is that I saw a box car photo on the O-Scale Protocraft site with a Monon Hoosier Line slogan. I said I had a Champ Decal set with that same slogan and wondered where I could get that particular car.

Richard Hendrickson chimed in to say that the Champ decal was made for another car entirely, one with a 10'0" inside height, numbered in the 9000 series. The decal does, in fact, call for a 10 IH car, so I am currently looking for a Red Caboose 1937 AAR 10' IH car with 4/5 ends and w-corner posts.

Sorry for the confusion, and I much appreciate your jumping in with your question.

Best wishes,

Michael

Michael Gross
La Caada, CA 91011-3542

On Mar 1, 2012, at 3:38 PM, timboconnor@comcast.net wrote:


Are you guys confusing the Red Caboose 1937 box cars (available with W and S corners) with the postwar
box cars made by Red Caboose (originally Front Range, redone by RC)?? I'm only asking because the Monon
car being discussed was 10'6" IH (noted in the original email) and the 1937 box car is 10'0". In any case only
Branchline and C&BT made the 10'6" IH cars with the 1944 4/4 rolling pin ends (in plastic).

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "michaelegross" <michaelEGross@aol.com>

Yes, thank you, Ed. I am looking for the W-Corners. Put out an e-mail to Red Caboose several days ago. They still sell undec kits from their website but, as I have had no reply as yet, I may go searching hobby shops.

Thanks again for the information. The help is always appreciated.

Cheers!
Michael





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Re: 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon

Tim O'Connor
 

Are you guys confusing the Red Caboose 1937 box cars (available with W and S corners) with the postwar
box cars made by Red Caboose (originally Front Range, redone by RC)?? I'm only asking because the Monon
car being discussed was 10'6" IH (noted in the original email) and the 1937 box car is 10'0". In any case only
Branchline and C&BT made the 10'6" IH cars with the 1944 4/4 rolling pin ends (in plastic).

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "michaelegross" <michaelEGross@aol.com>

Yes, thank you, Ed. I am looking for the W-Corners. Put out an e-mail to Red Caboose several days ago. They still sell undec kits from their website but, as I have had no reply as yet, I may go searching hobby shops.

Thanks again for the information. The help is always appreciated.

Cheers!
Michael


Re: 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon

michaelegross <michaelEGross@...>
 

Yes, thank you, Ed. I am looking for the W-Corners. Put out an e-mail to Red Caboose several days ago. They still sell undec kits from their website but, as I have had no reply as yet, I may go searching hobby shops.

Thanks again for the information. The help is always appreciated.

Cheers!

Michael

Michael Gross
La Cañada, CA


On Mar 1, 2012, at 7:55 AM, tyesac@aol.com wrote:


MIke,

Make sure you get the RC car with the correct end for your needs. I think these are the old IMWX cars and came with "square corners" and "W corners", which are the more rounded off corners.

Tom Casey

Thank you, Ed. This gets more and more interesting. Did you see Richard
endrickson's reply? It looks as if Red Caboose has got me covered.
Thanks and best wishes!
Michael
Michael Gross
a Ca�ada, CA 91011-3542

-----Original Message-----
From: michaelegross <michaelEGross@aol.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:28 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon

Thank you, Ed. This gets more and more interesting. Did you see Richard
endrickson's reply? It looks as if Red Caboose has got me covered.
Thanks and best wishes!
Michael
Michael Gross
a Ca�ada, CA 91011-3542

n Feb 27, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:
On Feb 27, 2012, at 5:22 PM, atsfnut wrote:

I am fairly new to the group and, though primarily a Santa Fe
modeler, I have an old set of Champ decals with the Monon "Hoosier
Line" slogan to the right of the door, and would love to paint and
decal a box car to accept these decals. I note on the O-Scale
Protocraft website that they offer a set of decals for that Monon car,
which they say was a 1944 aar 10'-6 " IH box car from
pullman-standard, lot 5860. I can't quite tell from the Protocraft
photo on the site what the end configuration of that car might be, but
it looks to be a 4/4.

The description is at:
http://protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=305&Categoryid=20

My question: is there a manufactured car out there for that 1944 AAR
car, or might this entail a difficult kitbash?
Michael,
The cars in question as shown in the Protocraft decal set, CIL 1-500
built ca. June 1947, had 10-panel welded sides, Murphy panel roofs, and
as you stated 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught ends. Interestingly, the
Pullman-Standard lot number list actually specifies the cars as being
PS-1 box cars although they lacked the Pullman proprietary ends and
roofs. Coincident with these Monon box cars, the first PS-1 box cars
having the Pullman ends and roofs began production in June 1947 with
the building of Lehigh Valley 62000-62499.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Re: Wine traveling on the Overland Route in 1949

Mikebrock
 

Tony Thompson writes:

"The wheel report, as I understand it, was prepared by the
conductor while working the train, and it was handed in at the end of
his run to document which cars were spotted where, or picked up where.
The time book (on some if not all railroads) was not an official
document but was the conductor's personal copy of the work shown in
the wheel report, including through cars in his train."

The Freight Conductor's Train Book [ the actual title of my frt conductor's book ]...form 2639...on the back of the front cover includes under "IMPORTANT" a list of functions that the conductor must perform. Included are:

1. Record of delays
2. Perishable frt..."Show waybill instructions and position of ventilators and make record of cars with heaters etc.
3. Temperature records.
4. Record to be kept when handling live stock
5. Rough handling. If any rough handling or irregularity occurs during trip, give point and state whether any damage to lading or equipment occurred. Records must be kept in detail of damage to lading or equipment.

The info in my book indicates that Fraley added real time events. For example, on 3-20-49, Fraley notes in remarks that at 1:30 AM at mile post 676 [ 7 miles east of Rawlins ] his train picked up 19 MT's, at 673 it had a red block, at 662 at 2:30AM it picked up 4 cars, at 3:15AM at mile post 643 it picked up 19 cars, and he notes that a ATSF box car destined for Denver had a hot box and was left at milepost 617. Incidentally his train was pulled by Big Boy 4018...a rather large engine to be switching cars one might think.

Mike Brock


Re: Wine traveling on the Overland Route in 1949

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Armand Premo wrote:
Gentlemen .Often overlooked in the overall scheme of things is the function of the Agent,yard clerk ,yard master and other non operating personnel.How is the wheel report and ultimately conductor's book generated?
The wheel report, as I understand it, was prepared by the conductor while working the train, and it was handed in at the end of his run to document which cars were spotted where, or picked up where. The time book (on some if not all railroads) was not an official document but was the conductor's personal copy of the work shown in the wheel report, including through cars in his train.
On the SP in the late steam era, car clerks would collect the waybills for the train and put them in train order for the conductor. Some but not all yards would also give a lineup to the conductor, in effect a "starting" wheel report.
The waybills for cars being spotted would be dropped off with the local agent in each town (or car clerks in larger yards), and the new waybills for loaded cars being picked up would be collected by the conductor from the agent. All the waybills would be turned in at the end of the run to clerks at the terminal.
I talked about this and related issues in two posts on my blog last fall. For anyone interested, here are links:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/10/operations-role-of-agent.html

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/11/operations-role-of-agent-2.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: REQUEST FOR INFO.

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ed Hawkins wrote:
Regarding new cars, builder's photos of PS-1s show that cars built in November 1953 and later had the placards in the low position while cars built in October 1953 or before had high placards. CB&Q and FW&D box cars built in Nov. and Dec. 1953 show cars having high placards, so it's apparent that not all builders made the change at the same time. Photos indicate that cars built in 1954 or later had low placards.
In fact, page C-42 of the AAR Manual, supplied to me by Guy WIlber, was posted on my blog. It provides for the lowered placard boards (and repositioned route card boards) to take their new position at the beginning of 1954. Here are two links about that, giving the history:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/12/route-cards-6.html

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/01/route-cards-7.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: REQUEST FOR INFO.

Ed Hawkins
 

On Mar 1, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Ed wrote:

Can anyone tell me: 1)when were placard boards moved to the low position on box car doors and ends; and 2)when were power handbrakes made mandotory on all cars used in interchange service, or if they were not made mandorory, did some other rule make it impossible to use anything else and be in compliance.

If possible, please sight a reference.
Ed,
Regarding new cars, builder's photos of PS-1s show that cars built in November 1953 and later had the placards in the low position while cars built in October 1953 or before had high placards. CB&Q and FW&D box cars built in Nov. and Dec. 1953 show cars having high placards, so it's apparent that not all builders made the change at the same time. Photos indicate that cars built in 1954 or later had low placards.

Photos of in-service box cars taken in the late-1950s often show cars originally built with high placards to still have them high, while others show they had been lowered. Thus, some railroads were quicker to lower them than others.

Perhaps Guy Wilbur has a date for an AAR instruction when it became mandatory for placards on new box cars to be in the low position. I believe this subject has been discussed before on the STMFC, so there may be documentation in the archives. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Wine traveling on the Overland Route in 1949

Armand Premo
 

Gentlemen .Often overlooked in the overall scheme of things is the function of the Agent,yard clerk ,yard master and other non operating personnel.How is the wheel report and ultimately conductor's book generated? Armand Premo

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From: Mike Brock
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wine traveling on the Overland Route in 1949



Tim O'Connor says:

"Mike, it may come as a shock to you, but some people actually have
conductor's books that are not from the Union Pacific in 1949."

Why would I be shocked about that? It is widely known that there are several
Fraley books in the hands of members and we even have other UP information
that cover 1956. And, there are wheel reports of other rrs as well. However,
as the subject shows, this issue is about my Fraley.

Mike


REQUEST FOR INFO.

Ed Mims
 

Can anyone tell me: 1)when were placard boards moved to the low position on box car doors and ends; and 2)when were power handbrakes made mandotory on all cars used in interchange service, or if they were not made mandorory, did some other rule make it impossible to use anything else and be in compliance.

If possible, please sight a reference.

Thanks,
Ed Mims
Jacksonville, FL


Re: Caboose trucks GN

brianleppert@att.net
 

The Bettendorf and Barber-Bettendorf Swing Motion caboose trucks were pinned together, in a way.

Each side frame had a vertical hole centered on the spring seat. Each transom had corresponding pins (or lugs or bosses--whichever is the correct term) cast on the bottom. During assembly, there is enough vertical clearance between the transom and side frame opening for the pin to clear the spring seat before dropping into the hole. After that, gravity works. As for the GN trucks, I have no idea.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

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A question that comes to my mind is what holds these trucks together? For that matter, what holds a Barber-Bettendorf truck together?

The earlier iterations of this design, using wood transoms and arch bar sideframes, just had the transoms bolted directly to the side frame. This essentially locked all four wheels into a non equalized rigid frame, much like a one piece molded model truck. However, I'm sure the wood transoms were limber enough that they just twisted sufficiently to allow all four wheels to remain in contact with uneven track. Even the later swing motion archbar trucks that used steel channel section transoms were likely somewhat flexible, since the transoms were not unified into a box shaped fabrication with cover plates. The Bettendorf cast transoms are a box section, and are not likely to twist to allow the sideframes to equalize. That means that there must be some allowance for motion between the sideframe and the end of the transom casting, and indeed, they do obviously appear to be separate pieces with some clearance between. But, what held them together? It isn't very obvious from the drawings, and I've never had the opportunity to dismantle a prototype truck of this sort.

Dennis


Re: Wine traveling on the Overland Route in 1949

Mikebrock
 

Tim O'Connor says:

"Mike, it may come as a shock to you, but some people actually have
conductor's books that are not from the Union Pacific in 1949."

Why would I be shocked about that? It is widely known that there are several Fraley books in the hands of members and we even have other UP information that cover 1956. And, there are wheel reports of other rrs as well. However, as the subject shows, this issue is about my Fraley.

Mike


Re: 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon

tyesac@...
 

MIke,

Make sure you get the RC car with the correct end for your needs. I think these are the old IMWX cars and came with "square corners" and "W corners", which are the more rounded off corners.

Tom Casey


Thank you, Ed. This gets more and more interesting. Did you see Richard
endrickson's reply? It looks as if Red Caboose has got me covered.
Thanks and best wishes!
Michael
Michael Gross
a Ca�ada, CA 91011-3542

-----Original Message-----
From: michaelegross <michaelEGross@aol.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 9:28 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 1944 AAR 10'-6" IH Box Car for Monon


Thank you, Ed. This gets more and more interesting. Did you see Richard
endrickson's reply? It looks as if Red Caboose has got me covered.
Thanks and best wishes!
Michael
Michael Gross
a Ca�ada, CA 91011-3542

n Feb 27, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:
On Feb 27, 2012, at 5:22 PM, atsfnut wrote:

> I am fairly new to the group and, though primarily a Santa Fe
> modeler, I have an old set of Champ decals with the Monon "Hoosier
> Line" slogan to the right of the door, and would love to paint and
> decal a box car to accept these decals. I note on the O-Scale
> Protocraft website that they offer a set of decals for that Monon car,
> which they say was a 1944 aar 10'-6 " IH box car from
> pullman-standard, lot 5860. I can't quite tell from the Protocraft
> photo on the site what the end configuration of that car might be, but
> it looks to be a 4/4.
>
> The description is at:
> http://protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=305&Categoryid=20
>
> My question: is there a manufactured car out there for that 1944 AAR
> car, or might this entail a difficult kitbash?

Michael,
The cars in question as shown in the Protocraft decal set, CIL 1-500
built ca. June 1947, had 10-panel welded sides, Murphy panel roofs, and
as you stated 4/4 Improved Dreadnaught ends. Interestingly, the
Pullman-Standard lot number list actually specifies the cars as being
PS-1 box cars although they lacked the Pullman proprietary ends and
roofs. Coincident with these Monon box cars, the first PS-1 box cars
having the Pullman ends and roofs began production in June 1947 with
the building of Lehigh Valley 62000-62499.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins





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Re: A bit of light on wine

Tim O'Connor
 

I think this was true about cigarettes as well -- the tax stamps were put on
at the point of manufacture. When I was a kid growing up in NJ we'd hear stories
about trucks being stopped on the NJ Turnpike with untaxed cigarettes -- these
were sold through Mafia connections in the NYC area for distribution via vending
machines. Evidently it was (and probaby still is) a big business. In the 50's of
course, cigarettes were still shipped in railroad box cars - possibly a bit more
difficult to cheat the taxman that way.

Tim O'Connor


While my experience is out of our time period, I'm sure very little was different in the 50's. I worked for a wine wholesaler in the 70's and we use to receive at least 2 insulated boxcar loads of packaged wine a week from central California.
My company (receiver) was in the south. The taxman was there when the car was loaded and was unconcerned about collecting taxes, it was a done deal.
George Courtney

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