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Re: B&O Wagon Top Decals

John H <sprinthag@...>
 

Yes you are. To the right of the B&O Logo is "Baltimore & Ohio Wagontop Box Cars. Below that is ">" and the words "Find out more".
Click the FOM wprds and you wil get directly to the B&O set. Nice looking set BTW.

John Hagen

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Brian Carlson wrote:
Go here

http://www.speedwitch.com/index.htm
Well, the logo for the B&O decals is on the home page, but they are
NOT included on the decals page, only the Erie rebuilds. Am I missing
something?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Buford Wyoming

Jack Mullen
 

But then the denizens of this list would be faced with spending early January in Wyoming.

Cow Chip Beach PMM anyone?

Jack Mullen

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

Steve Hile writes:

"Did you see where you can buy the whole town of Buford and relocate to
Sherman Hill? :>)"

Very tempting. There are likely tons of old cinders waiting there for me to
add to my collection. The only real problem is that the local golf course is
in Denver.

Mike Brock


Re: Tank Car Chat

atsfnut <michaelEGross@...>
 

Thank you, Richard, for that further clarification.

Michael

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Mar 13, 2012, at 3:03 PM, atsfnut wrote:

Gentlemen,

There has been a lot of talk lately about p2K tank car railings,
which begs the question, who makes the most authentic type 21 tank
car: p2K, Intermountain, or Red Caboose? Is there a consensus about
this?
Michael, they're all different. The Proto 2000 models represent AC&F
Type 21s built from 1921 (actually, some a bit earlier) through ca.
1929. The Intermountain models represent AC&F Type 27s built from
1927 until World War II. The Red Caboose model represents an AC&F
10k gal. welded ICC-103 built from ca. 1948 through the early '50s.
Quality and detail varies (the underframes on the Intermountain
models are a bit lame), but all are prototypically accurate.

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: B&O Wagon Top Decals

David Sieber
 

You can either work through via the Decals tab on the Home Page, then down to the last set on the Decals page, or just go to http://www.speedwitch.com/Decals/d130.htm
HTH, Dave Sieber, Reno NV


Re: Combo door 40' box cars NP GN CB&Q

Dave Sarther
 

List members,

Here is an update and clarification on the location of the Combo Door Car parts photos. Chad's photos of the new 5/5/5 doors and reinforced side sill for the NP combo door cars are on this STMFC site in the "Box Car Doors Photo Album" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/694231325/pic/list The photo on the front of the particular album to search is of CGW 8274 Superior welded door. The Photo Album is located on the bottom of the second page in the bottom right hand corner, last album. Note these 5/5/5 doors are the correct doors for the NP 40' #3000-3399 and #8000-9250 series cars as previously noted.

Later, Dave

--- In STMFC@..., "DaveS" <sartherdj@...> wrote:






Group,

The photos for the doors needed for the NP #3000-3399 Combo Door Cars have been posted on the STMFC site. The photo of the newly cast doors and side sill is shown in the Chad Boas Photo Section at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/recent/1321902876/view The photo shows the correct 5/5/5 sliding door needed for this series XM, the correct size plug door and the reinforced side sill placed onto the side of an undecorated Intermountain kit #40499. The Intermountain PS kit is a great starting point for this conversion to a #3000-3399 series XM. This kit has the correct "bowtie" roof, the correct PS ends and the welded steel sides. Note that this car was built by Pullman Standard and is not quite the same as the cars in the Matt Sugerman NP Photo Section as Matt's cars are from the #8000-9250 series of XM cars. The #8000-9250 XM's were built by the NP at their Brainerd Shops.

A nice photo of XM #3202 can be found in the NP TellTale Collection Photo Files at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NPTellTale/photos/album/810237290/pic/993136988/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc . (NP TellTale Collection, Photo Album, posted Feb. 26, 2012, photo #3/415) Other photos of the #3000-3399 series XM's can be located in the RR Picture Archives at www.rrpicturesarchives.net. There are some nice photos of XM's from the #8000-9250 series cars on the Fallen Flags site at www.rr-fallenflags.org and RR Picture Archives at www.RRPictureArchives.net And finally, there are some additional photos of the #8000 + series cars in Todd Sullivan's NP Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Cars p.43
Car Diagrams and Car Roster Information can be located on the (Northern Pacific Railway Historic Association) NPRHA Research site at www.nprha.org

Hope this information is helpful for those interested in getting some of these cars added to their freight car rosters.
Later, Dave S.

--- In STMFC@..., "Chad" <chadboas@> wrote:

Clark,
Microscale, MC-4109 for the NP 40' combo door. 1958-70
Chad Boas

--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@ wrote:

What about decals for the cars?
Clark Propst


Re: B&O Wagon Top Decals

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Brian Carlson wrote:
Go here

http://www.speedwitch.com/index.htm
Well, the logo for the B&O decals is on the home page, but they are NOT included on the decals page, only the Erie rebuilds. Am I missing something?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: B&O Wagon Top Decals

Brian Carlson
 

Ed;

Go here

http://www.speedwitch.com/index.htm



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ed
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] B&O Wagon Top Decals






I have checked through the postings regarding the B&O Wagon Top
Decals. The only Decals that I could find were for the B&O Wagon
Top 2 Bay Covered Hopper decals by Mount Vernon.
Has anyone found good decals for the Wagon Top Box Car?

Ed Ursem


Re: Buford Wyoming

Jared Harper
 

I thought the same.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@..., "Aley, Jeff A" <Jeff.A.Aley@...> wrote:

I didn't understand this article. I thought the sole resident of Buford was Bruce Smith.

Regards,

-Jeff

P.S. Yeah, it's off-topic. But we're poking fun at the Listowner, so it's okay.


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:58 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Buford Wyoming



Hey Mike,

Did you see where you can buy the whole town of Buford and relocate to
Sherman Hill? :>)

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/entire-town-buford-wyoming-sale-sole-resident-183155529.html

Steve Hile





Re: Buford Wyoming

Mikebrock
 

Jeff Aley...moideling the UP Kansas Div [ wherever that is ] and, therefore, not really conversant in matters associated with the UP He-man Mainline through WY...writes:

"I didn't understand this article. I thought the sole resident of Buford was Bruce Smith."

No, no. Bruce Smith is located at Bruceford...a few miles west [ I guess ] of Buford. He switches frt cars there [ when he isn't shorting out the entire RR ].

"P.S. Yeah, it's off-topic. But we're poking fun at the Listowner, so it's okay."

You mean this is a topic?

Mike Brock


Re: Buford Wyoming

Aley, Jeff A
 

I didn't understand this article. I thought the sole resident of Buford was Bruce Smith.

Regards,

-Jeff

P.S. Yeah, it's off-topic. But we're poking fun at the Listowner, so it's okay.


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:58 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Buford Wyoming



Hey Mike,

Did you see where you can buy the whole town of Buford and relocate to
Sherman Hill? :>)

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/entire-town-buford-wyoming-sale-sole-resident-183155529.html

Steve Hile


Re: Buford Wyoming

Balryan <balryan@...>
 

Mike,
You don't have to go to Denver to golf there is some what of a golf course around Little America in Cheyenne. Not sure on the par.
Ryan Ballard


B&O Wagon Top Decals

Ed <nprybiged@...>
 

I have checked through the postings regarding the B&O Wagon Top
Decals. The only Decals that I could find were for the B&O Wagon
Top 2 Bay Covered Hopper decals by Mount Vernon.
Has anyone found good decals for the Wagon Top Box Car?

Ed Ursem


Re: Buford Wyoming

Mikebrock
 

Steve Hile writes:

"Did you see where you can buy the whole town of Buford and relocate to
Sherman Hill? :>)"

Very tempting. There are likely tons of old cinders waiting there for me to add to my collection. The only real problem is that the local golf course is in Denver.

Mike Brock


Re: Lumber Loads

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

I guess the middle car of a string would be a real problem. I never lived in a house with a window on the landing, but never needed to move long lengths.

CJ Riley

Bainbridge Island WA

--- On Wed, 3/14/12, soolinehistory <destorzek@...> wrote:

From: soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Lumber Loads
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2012, 1:04 PM








 













--- In STMFC@..., cj riley <cjriley42@...> wrote:

I have to wonder how one gets a 32' timber out of a 40' or even 50' boxcar door. Those little end lumber doors perhaps?
CJ Riley


Yup. In through the side door, poke the end out the lumber door until it clears the door post, then back. Same way you get long lengths of trim up to the second floor; you poke the ends out the window on the landing.



Dennis






















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Re: Lumber Loads

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., cj riley <cjriley42@...> wrote:

I have to wonder how one gets a 32' timber out of a 40' or even 50' boxcar door. Those little end lumber doors perhaps?

CJ Riley
Yup. In through the side door, poke the end out the lumber door until it clears the door post, then back. Same way you get long lengths of trim up to the second floor; you poke the ends out the window on the landing.

Dennis


Re: Lumber Loads

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

As a result you will also see lumber shipped in auto cars with end doors.
Lifting a 32' long 6x6 to exit a lumber door makes me hurt just thinking about it.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., cj riley <cjriley42@...> wrote:

I have to wonder how one gets a 32' timber out of a 40' or even 50' boxcar door. Those little end lumber doors perhaps?

CJ Riley

Bainbridge Island WA

--- On Wed, 3/14/12, soolinehistory <destorzek@...> wrote:








 




< I asked him what was the largest size they typically stocked, and he said 32' long Douglas Fir 6x6, for porch posts on all those two and three story porches that are so common in Chicago. I specifically asked him if these came on open cars, and he again replied no, adding some comments about what a pain they were to unload from boxcars.











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Re: Lumber Loads

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

I have to wonder how one gets a 32' timber out of a 40' or even 50' boxcar door. Those little end lumber doors perhaps?

CJ Riley

Bainbridge Island WA

--- On Wed, 3/14/12, soolinehistory <destorzek@...> wrote:








 




< I asked him what was the largest size they typically stocked, and he said 32' long Douglas Fir 6x6, for porch posts on all those two and three story porches that are so common in Chicago. I specifically asked him if these came on open cars, and he again replied no, adding some comments about what a pain they were to unload from boxcars.











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Buford Wyoming

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Hey Mike,



Did you see where you can buy the whole town of Buford and relocate to
Sherman Hill? :>)



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/entire-town-buford-wyoming-sale-sole-re
sident-183155529.html



Steve Hile


Re: Lumber Loads

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., tgregmrtn@... wrote:

Although Douglas fir green today is mostly a regional "thing" it was/is still widely used but I have to admit not as much in the Chciago area other than 4x4 and larger timber. Chicago's market has been traditionally better served from Canadian mills than western mills. Dennis is correct most, not all finished lumber did ship in boxcar and was hand unloaded...
Greg Martin
I had dinner with my ninety one year old dad last night. Dad worked for Chicago area lumber yards as both a yard man and delivery driver both in the late thirties, and again in the late forties - early fifties. I asked him if lumber was ever shipped on flatcars, and the first words out of his mouth were, "in some parts of the country." I then asked him if, in his years of working in Chicago area retail yards, he had ever received lumber on an open car, and he said no. I asked him what was the largest size they typically stocked, and he said 32' long Douglas Fir 6x6, for porch posts on all those two and three story porches that are so common in Chicago. I specifically asked him if these came on open cars, and he again replied no, adding some comments about what a pain they were to unload from boxcars. He added that nu larger sizes were special order, and intimated that they just came via truck from other yards in the area that specialized in timbers. Dad was never a railfan, and so never paid any attention to rail traffic he didn't have to be personally involved with.

I suppose what all this means is that like a lot of other things we discuss, lumber shipping was regional in nature... lots of open car loads flowing from the mills to nearby markets in southern California... few that went as far east as Chicago.

It's kinda like trying to discern the makeup of the N^W hopper fleet by standing track side on Sherman Hill.

Dennis


Re: Combo door 40' box cars NP GN CB&Q

Dave Sarther
 

Group,

The photos for the doors needed for the NP #3000-3399 Combo Door Cars have been posted on the STMFC site. The photo of the newly cast doors and side sill is shown in the Chad Boas Photo Section at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/recent/1321902876/view The photo shows the correct 5/5/5 sliding door needed for this series XM, the correct size plug door and the reinforced side sill placed onto the side of an undecorated Intermountain kit #40499. The Intermountain PS kit is a great starting point for this conversion to a #3000-3399 series XM. This kit has the correct "bowtie" roof, the correct PS ends and the welded steel sides. Note that this car was built by Pullman Standard and is not quite the same as the cars in the Matt Sugerman NP Photo Section as Matt's cars are from the #8000-9250 series of XM cars. The #8000-9250 XM's were built by the NP at their Brainerd Shops.

A nice photo of XM #3202 can be found in the NP TellTale Collection Photo Files at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NPTellTale/photos/album/810237290/pic/993136988/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc . (NP TellTale Collection, Photo Album, posted Feb. 26, 2012, photo #3/415) Other photos of the #3000-3399 series XM's can be located in the RR Picture Archives at www.rrpicturesarchives.net. There are some nice photos of XM's from the #8000-9250 series cars on the Fallen Flags site at www.rr-fallenflags.org and RR Picture Archives at www.RRPictureArchives.net And finally, there are some additional photos of the #8000 + series cars in Todd Sullivan's NP Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Cars p.43
Car Diagrams and Car Roster Information can be located on the (Northern Pacific Railway Historic Association) NPRHA Research site at www.nprha.org

Hope this information is helpful for those interested in getting some of these cars added to their freight car rosters.
Later, Dave S.

--- In STMFC@..., "Chad" <chadboas@...> wrote:

Clark,
Microscale, MC-4109 for the NP 40' combo door. 1958-70
Chad Boas

--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@ wrote:

What about decals for the cars?
Clark Propst

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