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Re: tank car placards for models

Jeff Coleman
 

I contacted Microscale and they informed me that data set 87-975 should be back in stock within a month.

Jeff Coleman


Re: tank car placards for models

Jim Pickett
 

Bruce is absolutely correct. Inflammable means a substance so labelled will burn. Safety organizations changed their labelling voluntarily since so many people thought that the prefix "in" was negative that it was becoming hazardous to leave the labels that way even though to do so was correct. The "in" is not really even a prefix. It is simply part of the word, "inflame."

Jim Pickett


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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: tank car placards for models



 

Tom,

Wrong! (Gosh, I miss the Gong Show) First "inflammable" is absolutely correct English. Check your dictionary. Second, the derivation is from Latin inflammare. The "in" is not the negative equivalent of "un" but rather the preposition "in".

You doctor doesn't say you have an "flamed knee", they say you have an "inflamed knee"... same root <G>

Regards

Bruce

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On Mar 21, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Tom Houle wrote:

For many years at least through the fifties, the term "Inflammable" was used
to indicate combustionable material. It was and still is incorrect
English. Inflammable literally means non-flammable. The "in"prefix
comes from the Latin prefix for not. Today we correctly use the term
"Flammable". Preferred use would be Flammable, but it really depends on
the era you are modeling. Pre- 1960, I'd use the incorrect term
Inflammable.
Tom Houle

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Re: tank car placards for models

Jim Pickett
 

There is adhesive paper made especially for printers that is similar to Contact paper but much more flexible and with much less tenacious adhesive. You can find it in packages at Office Depot and probably all other office supply stores. All I have seen is white. This would probably work. If anyone has a laser cutter he could print a whole page of different placards and adjust the device to cut only through the adhesive layer, not the backing. You could get hundreds of pre-printed placards this way.

Jim Pickett


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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:57 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: tank car placards for models



 

Hi Jim
You could use a label and just not press it all the way home. On plastic it should not be a big problem, especially if you cut it a little larger than the placard holder so you can grab it with tweezers. If you are concerned, you could touch the label to a bit of glass first to take away some of the glue but I don't think that would be necessary.

I have used labels to put names, etc on plastic baseball helmets for my kids and they can be easily removed.

Mark

Has anyone ever seen any kind of "post it note material" for
consumer use that can be run thru a printer? I would have to have
some kind of peel off covering for the sticky part. But would be
ideal for model use since you could even change out the placards
on your cars between/during ops ... oh damn, I think I just opened
up Pandora's box! But it would be nice to have placards and other
such items (waybills, etc.) that could be 'attached' to the model
but also be able to change them out!
- Jim


Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.

ajfergusonca <ajferguson@...>
 

Lost in this discussion is the fact that you can't sell what you don't have. If nobody stocks anything then why go to their brick & mortar establishment. Not all of us go to RPM, NMRA or train shows on a regular basis. My LHS is a place I can go to see like minded people and interesting goods. If I don't go, I soon loose interest and drop the hobby. That's happining before our eyes today, the hobby is shrinking.
Allen Ferguson

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Harman <gsgondola@...> wrote:

At 05:49 PM 3/22/2012 +0000, you wrote:

While we tire-kickers are fed up with sold-out preordered releases, the
economic realities for the producers are stark.


Re: NEW F&C Reading XMP ONE PIECE BODY 36' Boxcars

steve_wintner
 

Gents :

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/message/100452

There was some discussion of these cars about a year ago...

have fun
Steve Wintner

--- In STMFC@..., "erict1361" <erict1361@...> wrote:

Bob,

No thats good !

Thanks,

Eric



--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rwitt_2000@> wrote:


--- In STMFC@..., Eric wrote:

Funaro & Camerlengo Just posted this on their Website:

SEE US AT THE PHILADELPHIA DIVISION NMRA MEET at the Desmond Great
Valley Hotel & Conference Center in Malverne, PA

March 23- March 25, 2012

We Will Have the Following New Kits

Reading XMP ONE PIECE BODY 36' Boxcars with Steel and Wood Doors with
Hutchins Roof and Decals $44.99

Anyone know how long these cars ran in Interchange service?
Eric,

The ORER for October 1955 still lists 7 cars on the roster. Do you need
a later date?

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.

Andy Harman
 

At 05:49 PM 3/22/2012 +0000, you wrote:

While we tire-kickers are fed up with sold-out preordered releases, the economic realities for the producers are stark.
While the problem belongs to all of us, the solution is in their court to be discovered and exploited. Assuming they're looking for a solution, and not just repeating "that's the way it has to be". It only has to be that way until it isn't, and someone who did come up with something better shoots past in the high speed lane.

Andy


Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.

Andy Harman
 

At 10:22 AM 3/22/2012 -0700, you wrote:
For those of you wondering, I dunno where these simulator models came from
but IF one had to pay form the I expect they cost $1.50 - $2 per locomotive
unit:
The nice thing about sims is you can fix even the worst dimensional error, push a button and re-render in a few seconds.

Andy


Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.

Armand Premo
 

One thing overlooked is the declining value of the dollar.With Adequate pre release information and appraising the potential market there should be fewer failed ventures.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.





Sometimes the manufacturer gets stuck. I've been on the other side of this.

For a year, I operated a partnership with two friends called Keyser Car Shops to produce custom lettered B&O freight equipment, possibly much later to grow into tooled B&O car designs. We had about 12 major product ideas, and envisioned cranking out two or three a year. We never got past the first project, a Red Caboose B&O M-26b in "Time-Saver" slogan bright red paint.

We took no pre-orders and only announced when the boxcars arrived. For all the other faults in our business plan (small marketing footprint, no paid advertising, web-based only sales, risking market saturation from the same freight car product in other B&O lettering) and unforseen obstacles (high retail price, mainly due to Chinese inflation and dishonesty), the insurmountable problem was fundamental lack of demand. Previous yahoo list clamor for a particular car appearance means about twenty sales, not 400. We sold 200 and remaindered 200 for a net loss. It was not going to get any better than this. When in a hole, stop digging. We disbanded.

As a consumer, I detest the preorders-only business model, where a new product is gone in two weeks before I can even look at one.

On the other hand, a garage full of unsold slow-selling boxcars is a killer. Bills are paid with seed corn, not sales proceeds. Never mind funding the next project. I cannot imagine a larger company making payroll risking this inventory condition.

The main challenge of capitalism is sizing the business. Like kids staffing a neighborhood lemonade stand, they lose their little shirts if it rains (much unsold paid-for lemonade on hand), or leave money on the table (thirsty potential customers walking away unslaked) if they are underprepared when the sun shines.

While we tire-kickers are fed up with sold-out preordered releases, the economic realities for the producers are stark.

--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:
>
> The problem is, it is the dealer who gets stuck. The manufacturer has been paid. The distributor has been paid. Neither will take the product back. The customer who pre-ordered declines to take it. The person with the least available cash is stuck -- the dealer. This might not be so much of an issue with a freight car. But how many $500 locomotives can the dealer he left holding that he will likely need to sell at a loss (no one pays retail and most are not even satisfied with 25% off list any more) and stay in business? Thus the need for a pre-order deposit in selected cases -- when burned once. The non-refundable deposit allows the dealer to sell the amount of the deposit below cost and at least break even. Otherwise, he is out of business.
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> > manufacturers . . . I do selectively require deposits on orders. I
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> > locomotives. Anything they order now requires a non-refundable
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> But notice the problem here. The locomotive comes in, it's panned
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> accept. I don't think this is unreasonable behavior. If those who are
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> reservations, some will simply drop out, as some posters have
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> observed. That's a loss of customer, because they don't decline EVERY
>
> engine.
>
> That said, I have no sympathy for the reservation holder who, on
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> arrival says, "sorry, I changed my mind." That's unreasonable, even
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> though I realize the dealer has no way to distinguish it from the
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Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.

Jim Mischke
 

Sometimes the manufacturer gets stuck. I've been on the other side of this.

For a year, I operated a partnership with two friends called Keyser Car Shops to produce custom lettered B&O freight equipment, possibly much later to grow into tooled B&O car designs. We had about 12 major product ideas, and envisioned cranking out two or three a year. We never got past the first project, a Red Caboose B&O M-26b in "Time-Saver" slogan bright red paint.

We took no pre-orders and only announced when the boxcars arrived. For all the other faults in our business plan (small marketing footprint, no paid advertising, web-based only sales, risking market saturation from the same freight car product in other B&O lettering) and unforseen obstacles (high retail price, mainly due to Chinese inflation and dishonesty), the insurmountable problem was fundamental lack of demand. Previous yahoo list clamor for a particular car appearance means about twenty sales, not 400. We sold 200 and remaindered 200 for a net loss. It was not going to get any better than this. When in a hole, stop digging. We disbanded.

As a consumer, I detest the preorders-only business model, where a new product is gone in two weeks before I can even look at one.

On the other hand, a garage full of unsold slow-selling boxcars is a killer. Bills are paid with seed corn, not sales proceeds. Never mind funding the next project. I cannot imagine a larger company making payroll risking this inventory condition.

The main challenge of capitalism is sizing the business. Like kids staffing a neighborhood lemonade stand, they lose their little shirts if it rains (much unsold paid-for lemonade on hand), or leave money on the table (thirsty potential customers walking away unslaked) if they are underprepared when the sun shines.

While we tire-kickers are fed up with sold-out preordered releases, the economic realities for the producers are stark.

--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:

The problem is, it is the dealer who gets stuck. The manufacturer has been paid. The distributor has been paid. Neither will take the product back. The customer who pre-ordered declines to take it. The person with the least available cash is stuck -- the dealer. This might not be so much of an issue with a freight car. But how many $500 locomotives can the dealer he left holding that he will likely need to sell at a loss (no one pays retail and most are not even satisfied with 25% off list any more) and stay in business? Thus the need for a pre-order deposit in selected cases -- when burned once. The non-refundable deposit allows the dealer to sell the amount of the deposit below cost and at least break even. Otherwise, he is out of business.

Rich







-----Original Message-----
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To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 1:17 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.


Rich Orr wrote:

As a small vendor (not a LHS), I buy directly from two
manufacturers . . . I do selectively require deposits on orders. I
have been stuck with large numbers of items from individuals who pre-
ordered and then declined to accept the items. Usually
locomotives. Anything they order now requires a non-refundable
deposit.


But notice the problem here. The locomotive comes in, it's panned

by somebody somewhere (rightly or wrongly), and the prospective buyer,

who of course had no way to know what would be delivered, declines to

accept. I don't think this is unreasonable behavior. If those who are

"selective" (not saying "picky") find themselves having to pre-pay for

reservations, some will simply drop out, as some posters have

observed. That's a loss of customer, because they don't decline EVERY

engine.

That said, I have no sympathy for the reservation holder who, on

arrival says, "sorry, I changed my mind." That's unreasonable, even

though I realize the dealer has no way to distinguish it from the

buyer who finds the product unacceptable.



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Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.

Dave Nelson
 

Over in the simulator world it's all completely different. Somebody makes
something and, assuming he wants to be paid for it, puts it up on a web site
that can process payments. So long as it stays there, you can buy it so WRT
availability it doesn't matter if 2 copies are sold or 2000. OTOH,
freeware is almost always forever.

There isn't much of a market for payware rolling stock but a top-notch steam
locomotive can gross $30,000 and an exceptional good route will pull in
$50-80,000 so for the seller (almost always a 1 man operation) it's isn't
chicken feed I'm speaking of and for the buyer the expense is usually ~1% of
what HO will cost at list.

For those of you wondering, I dunno where these simulator models came from
but IF one had to pay form the I expect they cost $1.50 - $2 per locomotive
unit:

http://a.imageshack.us/img43/8600/82334792.png

http://a.imageshack.us/img12/564/39412482.png

http://a.imageshack.us/img269/6793/22764984.png

http://a.imageshack.us/img821/3507/11657083.png

http://a.imageshack.us/img864/885/71591742.png *


So yes Andy, I agree: this issue of pre-ordering "... is just another
aspect that one day shall pass, and be replaced with something else.",
except I think it'll be far different than you thought.

Dave Nelson

* n.b., these are screenshots taken while running a simulator program and
then photoshopt to add motion blur and/or lens sparkle. The locomotives,
AFAIK, are not retouched.

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Andy
Harman

Because manufacturers don't keep inventory, distributors don't keep
inventory, and dealers don't keep inventory, I have to keep it myself.
Pretty much a fact of life. Although, the self-perpetuating belief that the
hobby industry is a cork bobbing on the South China Sea and there's nothing
anybody can do to change it, is just another aspect that one day shall pass,
and be replaced with something else.

Andy


Re: tank car placards for models

prgm_mgr
 

Hi Jim
You could use a label and just not press it all the way home. On plastic it should not be a big problem, especially if you cut it a little larger than the placard holder so you can grab it with tweezers. If you are concerned, you could touch the label to a bit of glass first to take away some of the glue but I don't think that would be necessary.

I have used labels to put names, etc on plastic baseball helmets for my kids and they can be easily removed.

Mark

Has anyone ever seen any kind of "post it note material" for

consumer use that can be run thru a printer? I would have to have
some kind of peel off covering for the sticky part. But would be
ideal for model use since you could even change out the placards
on your cars between/during ops ... oh damn, I think I just opened
up Pandora's box! But it would be nice to have placards and other
such items (waybills, etc.) that could be 'attached' to the model
but also be able to change them out!
- Jim


Re: NEW F&C Reading XMP ONE PIECE BODY 36' Boxcars

erict1361 <erict1361@...>
 

Bob,

No thats good !

Thanks,

Eric

--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rwitt_2000@...> wrote:


--- In STMFC@..., Eric wrote:

Funaro & Camerlengo Just posted this on their Website:

SEE US AT THE PHILADELPHIA DIVISION NMRA MEET at the Desmond Great
Valley Hotel & Conference Center in Malverne, PA

March 23- March 25, 2012

We Will Have the Following New Kits

Reading XMP ONE PIECE BODY 36' Boxcars with Steel and Wood Doors with
Hutchins Roof and Decals $44.99

Anyone know how long these cars ran in Interchange service?
Eric,

The ORER for October 1955 still lists 7 cars on the roster. Do you need
a later date?

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: NEW F&C Reading XMP ONE PIECE BODY 36' Boxcars

erict1361 <erict1361@...>
 

Tom,

12500


Thanks,

Eric

--- In STMFC@..., <tmolsen@...> wrote:

Eric,

What is the number series of these Reading XMP cars?

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.

Andy Harman
 

At 03:47 PM 3/21/2012 -0400, you wrote:
The problem is, it is the dealer who gets stuck. The manufacturer has been paid. The distributor has been paid. Neither will take the product back. The customer who pre-ordered declines to take it. The person with the least available cash is stuck -- the dealer.
And the consumer, always presumed to be rolling in dough, has no choice but to pre-order and buy all he thinks he'll ever need of a product during the week it's available. If he ends up with too much, maybe somebody will pay a premium if they missed out. If he ends up with not enough, then he's the one who has to pay the premium.

Andy


Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.

Andy Harman
 

At 11:14 AM 3/21/2012 -0700, you wrote:

One other thing. You should never have to pay in advance if you
cultivate a long term relationship with a well established retailer
who knows you and knows you will pay promptly when the item comes
in.
The only manufacturer I know of who is asking for advance payment (i.e. "investing") had a product line that is largely stratospheric pastry and I wouldn't buy it anyway.

Because manufacturers don't keep inventory, distributors don't keep inventory, and dealers don't keep inventory, I have to keep it myself. Pretty much a fact of life. Although, the self-perpetuating belief that the hobby industry is a cork bobbing on the South China Sea and there's nothing anybody can do to change it, is just another aspect that one day shall pass, and be replaced with something else.

Andy


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Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.

SUVCWORR@...
 

Al, that is actually theft by deception and considering the amount a felony in most jurisdictions. You could have filed a criminal complaint against him and a civil complaint and regained your money. Dealers don't have that option unless they go to the extent of having every person who pre-orders execute an enforceable contract.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 5:55 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.


Many years ago when I worked for a company and had actual money to spend I
pre-paid for several very expensive locos from a dealer who will remain
nameless. An Erie triplex and L-1 0-8-8-0 camelback. The dealer never ordered
them. After waiting well after others received theirs I asked the dealer where
mine were. He said they hadn’t come in yet. I called the importer who told me
all had been shipped but he just happened to have a spare triplex that had come
back from being repaired. I sent the importer the money and confronted the
dealer. The dealer reached into the bottom of his rotating counter and pulled
out a wad of bills. He peeled off over $1,000 for me. This is how he conducted
business? I never went back. He soon went out of business. But I did get the
L-1 from another source. – Al Westerfield

From: SUVCWORR@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 2:47 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.


The problem is, it is the dealer who gets stuck. The manufacturer has been paid.
The distributor has been paid. Neither will take the product back. The customer
who pre-ordered declines to take it. The person with the least available cash is
stuck -- the dealer. This might not be so much of an issue with a freight car.
But how many $500 locomotives can the dealer he left holding that he will likely
need to sell at a loss (no one pays retail and most are not even satisfied with
25% off list any more) and stay in business? Thus the need for a pre-order
deposit in selected cases -- when burned once. The non-refundable deposit allows
the dealer to sell the amount of the deposit below cost and at least break even.
Otherwise, he is out of business.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Thompson <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 1:17 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.

Rich Orr wrote:

As a small vendor (not a LHS), I buy directly from two
manufacturers . . . I do selectively require deposits on orders. I
have been stuck with large numbers of items from individuals who pre-
ordered and then declined to accept the items. Usually
locomotives. Anything they order now requires a non-refundable
deposit.
But notice the problem here. The locomotive comes in, it's panned

by somebody somewhere (rightly or wrongly), and the prospective buyer,

who of course had no way to know what would be delivered, declines to

accept. I don't think this is unreasonable behavior. If those who are

"selective" (not saying "picky") find themselves having to pre-pay for

reservations, some will simply drop out, as some posters have

observed. That's a loss of customer, because they don't decline EVERY

engine.

That said, I have no sympathy for the reservation holder who, on

arrival says, "sorry, I changed my mind." That's unreasonable, even

though I realize the dealer has no way to distinguish it from the

buyer who finds the product unacceptable.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com

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Re: tank car placards for models

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Townsend wrote:
All of this attention to tank car placards begs some similar attention to placards for other cars. I have examples of placards used on the C&S for "Explosives," and for "Heated Car" (for reefers with heaters), "Uninspected Clean Cattle" and "Exposed Sheep for Slaughter" (for stock cars), and "Time Freight," "Red Ball Freight," and "Penalty" for cars of indeterminate type. Undoubtedly there are others (I lost a long time ago the "Do Not Hump" placard I prized so highly when I was in high school).
You're quite right, Richard, and many such placards, including "Do Not Hump," are in the Microscale set 87-975. Don't forget to remind Microscale that this set needs to be reprinted! It's been OOP for some time! Send them email at: railroad@...

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Re: NEW F&C Reading XMP ONE PIECE BODY 36' Boxcars

Dave Pfeiffer
 

The Reading Color Guide indicates that the last of these cars were made into "covered hoppers" with hatches and hopper bottoms for use by Hershey Foods. The class was changed to XMph. While the conversion date is not mentioned, there are 2 photos from 1960 and 1961 showing well used cars.

Dave Pfeiffer

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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:19 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NEW F&C Reading XMP ONE PIECE BODY 36' Boxcars



--- In STMFC@..., Eric wrote:

Funaro & Camerlengo Just posted this on their Website:

SEE US AT THE PHILADELPHIA DIVISION NMRA MEET at the Desmond Great
Valley Hotel & Conference Center in Malverne, PA

March 23- March 25, 2012

We Will Have the Following New Kits

Reading XMP ONE PIECE BODY 36' Boxcars with Steel and Wood Doors with
Hutchins Roof and Decals $44.99

Anyone know how long these cars ran in Interchange service?
Eric,

The ORER for October 1955 still lists 7 cars on the roster. Do you need
a later date?

Regards,

Bob Witt




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Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.

Tim O'Connor
 

Intermountain has a full return policy back to THEM -- so if I order a model from my dealer, and it turns out that I don't want it, and my dealer can't sell it, IM will take it back and refund the dealer. As a result IM has very happy customers who aren't afraid to order models for their customers.

Tim O'Connor

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From: "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 6:55:25 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.

Many years ago when I worked for a company and had actual money to spend I pre-paid for several very expensive locos from a dealer who will remain nameless. An Erie triplex and L-1 0-8-8-0 camelback. The dealer never ordered them. After waiting well after others received theirs I asked the dealer where mine were. He said they hadn’t come in yet. I called the importer who told me all had been shipped but he just happened to have a spare triplex that had come back from being repaired. I sent the importer the money and confronted the dealer. The dealer reached into the bottom of his rotating counter and pulled out a wad of bills. He peeled off over $1,000 for me. This is how he conducted business? I never went back. He soon went out of business. But I did get the L-1 from another source. – Al Westerfield

From: SUVCWORR@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 2:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.


The problem is, it is the dealer who gets stuck. The manufacturer has been paid. The distributor has been paid. Neither will take the product back. The customer who pre-ordered declines to take it. The person with the least available cash is stuck -- the dealer. This might not be so much of an issue with a freight car. But how many $500 locomotives can the dealer he left holding that he will likely need to sell at a loss (no one pays retail and most are not even satisfied with 25% off list any more) and stay in business? Thus the need for a pre-order deposit in selected cases -- when burned once. The non-refundable deposit allows the dealer to sell the amount of the deposit below cost and at least break even. Otherwise, he is out of business.

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Thompson <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
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Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 1:17 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Pre-orders, pro or con.

Rich Orr wrote:

As a small vendor (not a LHS), I buy directly from two
manufacturers . . . I do selectively require deposits on orders. I
have been stuck with large numbers of items from individuals who pre-
ordered and then declined to accept the items. Usually
locomotives. Anything they order now requires a non-refundable
deposit.
But notice the problem here. The locomotive comes in, it's panned

by somebody somewhere (rightly or wrongly), and the prospective buyer,

who of course had no way to know what would be delivered, declines to

accept. I don't think this is unreasonable behavior. If those who are

"selective" (not saying "picky") find themselves having to pre-pay for

reservations, some will simply drop out, as some posters have

observed. That's a loss of customer, because they don't decline EVERY

engine.

That said, I have no sympathy for the reservation holder who, on

arrival says, "sorry, I changed my mind." That's unreasonable, even

though I realize the dealer has no way to distinguish it from the

buyer who finds the product unacceptable.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com

Publishers of books on railroad history

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