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Re: Exactrail

Scott Pitzer
 


You know this same thread is all over the groups, I saw it on the D List.
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I had no idea Kathy Griffin would care!
:-)
Scott Pitzer


Re: Sunshine Models Meets

charles slater
 

He has not in the past.
Charlie




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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:52:22 -0500
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Sunshine Models Meets






Does Bob's Photo attend?

Tom
Bartlesville, OK

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He will be there.
Charlie Slater


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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:57:39 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine Models Meets

Does anyone know if Martin is planning on attending the ATSF Convention in
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Re: Exactrail

Andy Harman
 

At 08:31 PM 4/3/2012 +0000, you wrote:

In my case I had quit the hobby for almost 20 years. In 1988 I noticed a
small train shop in Maynard Massachusetts (now closed) and wandered
in.
Ah yes, the middle aged re-entry... I think that is the case for many, but I've never been out of the hobby. Not even when I should have been. Yep, I was playing with trains when I should have been playing foobaw and dating cheerleaders in high school, and I was playing with trains in my dorm room when I should have been getting my BS in computer science, and playing with trains in my apartment when working my first job and whatever didn't go for rent, food, and gas went for trains.

While I have no memory of my intro to the hobby, I have had the occasional curious acquaintance ask about it. I tell them to go to a show, or to the LHS, sometimes they do... but for the most part nobody really seems to stick with it. I think a lot of people like model trains, and might even go to shows regularly, and even tell themselves they're going to get into it... but reality is they don't have the inclination. But even those folks support the hobby by coming to shows, and maybe they have a kid, or a friend they bring along.

Andy


Re: Exactrail

Andy Harman
 

At 03:39 PM 4/3/2012 -0400, you wrote:

It's Exactrail's business model for whatever reason. But I for one think we have little to do with their business model. If allowed this could go on for days...
I dunno. I've got a couple thousand sunk into their business. I don't have any say in what they do or how they do it, but what they do and how they do it does affect me.

Andy


Re: Exactrail

Andy Harman
 

At 07:01 PM 4/3/2012 +0000, you wrote:
comes in. Complaining about "unfair" competition does not make a valid business plan. If it does not work, then well, maybe your business plan needs to be revised... That is called capitalism ;^)
Yep. I too have nostalgia for the neighborhood hobbyshop. I also have nostalgia for premium leaded gasoline, 427 cubic inch grocery getters, tube amplifiers, GP30s, 4-8-4s, Pullman cars, manned spaceflight, and actual customer service. I believe in supporting my LHS, and I do. I also buy my stuff from many, many other sources because they have what I want when I want it, even if I only realize when it's in front of me at a show, that what is that, and when is now.

Andy


Re: Exactrail

Andy Harman
 

At 11:29 AM 4/3/2012 -0700, you wrote:
I'm not sure how serious Walthers ever was about their "requirements."
And yet Horizon cut off a *legitimate* brick and mortar store... why? Because his contact phone was a cell and he didn't have a land line. He got it back, but - still - the requirements are basically unenforceable, not because they can't be checked out but because the distributors can't afford to lose 50% of their customers no matter what they try to make the other 50% believe.

I really think basement or storefront, one's likelihood of remaining a customer of Walthers - or Horizon - is directly proportionate to their total purchases.

Andy


Re: Exactrail

Andy Harman
 

At 01:24 PM 4/3/2012 -0500, you wrote:
So, in short, you've never owned an LHS, would never own an LHS, yet somehow
believe basement bombers are no harm to the LHS? Based on what?
I would not own an LHS because I believe that the business model is dead unless you have a major (as in, Chicago) metro area to serve and/or don't care about making money.

I wouldn't be a basement bomber either, but at least there is no overhead.

Don't get me wrong, I love the LHS. Basement bombers didn't come into existence to destroy the LHS, they came into existence to fill a demand that the LHS wasn't able to respond to. I'd love to have a Des Plaines hobbies in every town, but all of my wishing won't make it happen, nor would putting the basement bombers out of business make it happen. The BBs are part of the system and if you made them all go away, it would hurt the hobby by reducing the number of dealers and the availability of product overall. Would the LHSs take up the slack? Some of it, albeit slowly. But the bottom line is, it's not going to happen.

Andy


Re: Exactrail

Tim O'Connor
 

In my case I had quit the hobby for almost 20 years. In 1988 I noticed a
small train shop in Maynard Massachusetts (now closed) and wandered
in. He had several built up models of Tichy freight cars. I had never seen
such fine looking plastic kits before -- I grew up when all you could get was
Athearn and that ilk. He also had Front Range kits. I walked out with a few
items, learned about a nearby club from the owner, visited the club, and
everything snowballed from there. If that chance encounter had never
happened (and could not happen today) I probably would never have
become interested in trains all over again.

Tim O'Connor

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From: "Andy Harman" <gsgondola@gp30.com>

Maybe we should ask new modelers (yes, there are some) how they are getting
attracted to the hobby. I think that today - and as always - attraction
comes from family involvement, friends, word of mouth - more so than
someone casually stumbling into a hobby shop on his lunch hour.

Andy


Re: Sunshine Models Meets

Tom Birkett <tnbirke@...>
 

Does Bob's Photo attend?

Tom
Bartlesville, OK

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He will be there.
Charlie Slater




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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:57:39 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine Models Meets






Does anyone know if Martin is planning on attending the ATSF Convention in
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Re: Exactrail

Greg Martin
 

You know this same thread is all over the groups, I saw it on the D List.

I see this thread as a STAND UP AND SHOUT thread.

It's Exactrail's business model for whatever reason. But I for one think we have little to do with their business model. If allowed this could go on for days...

Greg Martin

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Sent: Mon, Apr 2, 2012 12:45 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Exactrail




Direct from Exactrail; looks like I'm not going to be buying anything new
from themŠ

Hello Brian,

The reports are correct and it is not a rumor or hoax.

As of May 1, 2012, ExactRail will no longer offer a dealer discount and will
discontinue our dealer network. Hobby stores may continue to purchase
ExactRail products from ExactRail.com at the standard consumer price.

Cost of production has increased considerably for ExactRail over the last
two years. We have absorbed most of these increases through our margins. As
we consider the sustainability of these trends, our conclusion is that the
best solution to serve the consumer is through a more direct model. By
serving our customers directly, we hope to be able to maintain lower prices.

Dealers will continue to receive a discount through the month of April.

Orders placed in April, including any advanced purchases, will still receive
the dealer discount.

Our decision to discontinue our dealer distribution network has come from
much deliberation. We appreciate the dealer¹s contribution to our industry;
we feel that this decision is necessary so that ExactRail may contribute
with them well into the future.

Best regards,

Dave Lotz
Regional Sales Representative
Phone (801) 822-3202

Thanks!
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Brian P. Ehni

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Re: Exactrail

Charles Hladik
 

Seems to me it is still "a storefront". Willing to bet the shelves aren't
the "warehouse" type from Sam's but the same as at Doug's. The folks
probably got a good deal on rent/lease and an easy to get to location without
parking hassles.
Chuck Hladik
with NO LHS

In a message dated 4/3/2012 3:15:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
stevelucas3@yahoo.ca writes:




I'm lucky to be near a good LHS in London, Ontario about fifteen miles
away. Still literally a storefront, Doug's Trains has an excellent selection
of model rail stuff.

But a major model rail store closer to Toronto, Credit Valley Ry. Co.,
moved from a "storefront" to a light industrial/warehouse district near an
exit on major Ontario highway 401 about twenty miles west of Toronto.
(Walmart's Canadian warehouse is down the road.)

_http://www.cvrco.com/where.htm_ (http://www.cvrco.com/where.htm)

Nice store, good selection of goods, and even a clinic room! Yet one has
to get used to shopping for model rail stuff out of a warehouse
setting--then again, with many modellers also shopping at Costco and Sam's Club, doing
this isn't that much of a stretch.

Perhaps this is the future of the model rail hobby as we know it in North
America--internet orders and superstores near major cities?

Steve Lucas.

--- In _STMFC@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com) , Andy Harman
<gsgondola@...> wrote:

At 02:00 PM 4/3/2012 -0400, you wrote:
There is a shop in Phoenix that seems to have a different model that
works. Rather than have a store in a typical strip mall they have a
store in a light industrial area. The store has a small office and
what is basically a warehouse with shelfs and displays.
DCC Train in Cincinnati did a similar thing. Rather than a retail
storefront and the ensuing rent and extraneous costs (like the
skim/tribute
you have to pay to the strip mall), they located in an ordinary office
building. The rent is probably a fraction of what it would cost for even
a
minimum retail storefront.

And the other LHS Tim's Trains is located in a building that the store
owner already owned.

Andy


Re: Exactrail

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I'm lucky to be near a good LHS in London, Ontario about fifteen miles away. Still literally a storefront, Doug's Trains has an excellent selection of model rail stuff.

But a major model rail store closer to Toronto, Credit Valley Ry. Co., moved from a "storefront" to a light industrial/warehouse district near an exit on major Ontario highway 401 about twenty miles west of Toronto. (Walmart's Canadian warehouse is down the road.)

http://www.cvrco.com/where.htm

Nice store, good selection of goods, and even a clinic room! Yet one has to get used to shopping for model rail stuff out of a warehouse setting--then again, with many modellers also shopping at Costco and Sam's Club, doing this isn't that much of a stretch.

Perhaps this is the future of the model rail hobby as we know it in North America--internet orders and superstores near major cities?

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Andy Harman <gsgondola@...> wrote:

At 02:00 PM 4/3/2012 -0400, you wrote:
There is a shop in Phoenix that seems to have a different model that
works. Rather than have a store in a typical strip mall they have a
store in a light industrial area. The store has a small office and
what is basically a warehouse with shelfs and displays.
DCC Train in Cincinnati did a similar thing. Rather than a retail
storefront and the ensuing rent and extraneous costs (like the skim/tribute
you have to pay to the strip mall), they located in an ordinary office
building. The rent is probably a fraction of what it would cost for even a
minimum retail storefront.

And the other LHS Tim's Trains is located in a building that the store
owner already owned.

Andy


Re: Exactrail

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Scott Pitzer wrote:
THAT could have made for an interesting police/ paramedic/ news report-- "They fell off somebody else's building while trying to do WHAT?"
Yes, that might even have made a small item in the paper (remember newspapers?). As I recall the story (of course I had nothing to do with it), they found an adjoining shed that they could climb to get onto the roof of the one-story brick building. I did see the resulting photo and I can assure you it was a REALLY unprepossessing structure. The foreground looked like a kind of alley. I'm sure there were a few sighs and shaking of heads when it was viewed at Walthers.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Exactrail

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

eric bracher wrote:
Well I guess I must be in the death spiral as I stopped wholesaling to hobby shops two years ago.
My condolences! Sorry to hear about your decline <g>.

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Re: Exactrail

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

Before we excoriate all internet hobby shops, recognize that's all I have to work with! My closest "brick and mortar" shop is a nice but small shop, with limited inventory and rarely stocking anything I am interested in. It is about 100 miles away, but even if it were here I would still have to mail order the majority of my modeling materials, kits and models.

I'll also say that it is up to each individual business to figure out a business plan that makes them a profit. That includes dealing with competition, in whatever form it comes in. Complaining about "unfair" competition does not make a valid business plan. If it does not work, then well, maybe your business plan needs to be revised... That is called capitalism ;^)

Regards

Bruce


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Re: Exactrail

Brian Ehni <behni@...>
 

I got no beef with that; he was working WITH the local store(s), not
against. Before we opened our store, there was no real option for a
well-stocked model train shop. Had he stopped, no problem. Always bothered
me and my partner that Walthers wouldn't do the right thing.


Thanks!
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Brian P. Ehni

From: <tyesac@aol.com>
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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:41:22 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Exactrail







For years I dealt with a guy who did nearly the same thing. He had a
working arrangement with two local hobby shops owned by some guys who
weren't "train savy", more like RC airplane/slot car/plastic car & airplane
kit kind of stores. He helped guide them in stocking thier shelves with
items that
attracted model railroaders, and shared the discounts with individual
purchases for some of the more trustworthy (credit worthy really) members of
the local RR club.

While Walthers was part of that, he also helped with brass purchases which
many hobby shops have difficulty financing the reservation costs. If I
remember, a bricks & mortar was just part of the deal, but also a
substantial annual gross sales number was also required, about $10K/yr in
the 1980's.

Tom Casey

Brian Ehni wrote:
We took pictures of what Walthers said was his shipping address (a
residental location), showed that he did not advertising as they
require, had no manned store location with signage, ad nauseum.
Bottom line was they refused to stop selling to him, even though he
in no way met their own requirements.
I'm not sure how serious Walthers ever was about their
"requirements." I knew a basement guy (who shall remain nameless) who
was asked by Walthers for proof that he had a real store. He paid a
signpainter to make him a nice big professional sign, and he and some
friends went on the weekend to an area of small, old industrial
buildings. They managed to hang the sign from the roof coping of a
small brick building and they put up a street number sign with his
home number next to the door, and took photos. It satisfied Walthers.
Of course nowadays it would be easier--you could do it all while
sitting at your computer <g>.

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Sent: Tue, Apr 3, 2012 1:29 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Exactrail

Brian Ehni wrote:
We took pictures of what Walthers said was his shipping address (a
residental location), showed that he did not advertising as they
require, had no manned store location with signage, ad nauseum.
Bottom line was they refused to stop selling to him, even though he
in no way met their own requirements.
I'm not sure how serious Walthers ever was about their
"requirements." I knew a basement guy (who shall remain nameless) who
was asked by Walthers for proof that he had a real store. He paid a
signpainter to make him a nice big professional sign, and he and some
friends went on the weekend to an area of small, old industrial
buildings. They managed to hang the sign from the roof coping of a
small brick building and they put up a street number sign with his
home number next to the door, and took photos. It satisfied Walthers.
Of course nowadays it would be easier--you could do it all while
sitting at your computer <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: Exactrail

tyesac@...
 

For years I dealt with a guy who did nearly the same thing. He had a working arrangement with two local hobby shops owned by some guys who
weren't "train savy", more like RC airplane/slot car/plastic car & airplane kit kind of stores. He helped guide them in stocking thier shelves with items that
attracted model railroaders, and shared the discounts with individual purchases for some of the more trustworthy (credit worthy really) members of the local RR club.

While Walthers was part of that, he also helped with brass purchases which many hobby shops have difficulty financing the reservation costs. If I remember, a bricks & mortar was just part of the deal, but also a substantial annual gross sales number was also required, about $10K/yr in the 1980's.

Tom Casey


Brian Ehni wrote:
We took pictures of what Walthers said was his shipping address (a
residental location), showed that he did not advertising as they
require, had no manned store location with signage, ad nauseum.
Bottom line was they refused to stop selling to him, even though he
in no way met their own requirements.
I'm not sure how serious Walthers ever was about their
"requirements." I knew a basement guy (who shall remain nameless) who
was asked by Walthers for proof that he had a real store. He paid a
signpainter to make him a nice big professional sign, and he and some
friends went on the weekend to an area of small, old industrial
buildings. They managed to hang the sign from the roof coping of a
small brick building and they put up a street number sign with his
home number next to the door, and took photos. It satisfied Walthers.
Of course nowadays it would be easier--you could do it all while
sitting at your computer <g>.






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From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 3, 2012 1:29 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Exactrail




Brian Ehni wrote:
We took pictures of what Walthers said was his shipping address (a
residental location), showed that he did not advertising as they
require, had no manned store location with signage, ad nauseum.
Bottom line was they refused to stop selling to him, even though he
in no way met their own requirements.
I'm not sure how serious Walthers ever was about their
"requirements." I knew a basement guy (who shall remain nameless) who
was asked by Walthers for proof that he had a real store. He paid a
signpainter to make him a nice big professional sign, and he and some
friends went on the weekend to an area of small, old industrial
buildings. They managed to hang the sign from the roof coping of a
small brick building and they put up a street number sign with his
home number next to the door, and took photos. It satisfied Walthers.
Of course nowadays it would be easier--you could do it all while
sitting at your computer <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history







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Re: Exactrail

Scott Pitzer
 

THAT could have made for an interesting police/ paramedic/ news report-- "They fell off somebody else's building while trying to do WHAT?"
Scott Pitzer

I'm not sure how serious Walthers ever was about their
"requirements." I knew a basement guy (who shall remain nameless) who
was asked by Walthers for proof that he had a real store. He paid a
signpainter to make him a nice big professional sign, and he and some
friends went on the weekend to an area of small, old industrial
buildings. They managed to hang the sign from the roof coping of a
small brick building and they put up a street number sign with his
home number next to the door, and took photos. It satisfied Walthers.



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Re: Sunshine Models Meets

tyesac@...
 

Great! .....must bring money,...... must bring money..... (sung to the same tune as Homer Simpson's "DOUGHNUTS....")

tOM cASEY


He will be there.
harlie Slater


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Does anyone know if Martin is planning on attending the ATSF Convention in
emple this summer? Thanks in advance,
Paul Bizier

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e will be there.
harlie Slater


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Re: Exactrail

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Brian Ehni wrote:
We took pictures of what Walthers said was his shipping address (a residental location), showed that he did not advertising as they require, had no manned store location with signage, ad nauseum. Bottom line was they refused to stop selling to him, even though he in no way met their own requirements.
I'm not sure how serious Walthers ever was about their "requirements." I knew a basement guy (who shall remain nameless) who was asked by Walthers for proof that he had a real store. He paid a signpainter to make him a nice big professional sign, and he and some friends went on the weekend to an area of small, old industrial buildings. They managed to hang the sign from the roof coping of a small brick building and they put up a street number sign with his home number next to the door, and took photos. It satisfied Walthers. Of course nowadays it would be easier--you could do it all while sitting at your computer <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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