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Re: Stark Bros wood-side box HO...

Douglas Harding
 

Company still exists, http://www.starkbros.com/ why not ask them? Or do
some research into their history.



For example:
http://www.logosdatabase.com/logo/stark-trees-bear-fruit_71093030



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Stark Bros wood-side box HO...

Dave Lawler
 

Good day all,
I think this is an interesting and unique lettering scheme and even though it is probably too early for my period (1944) I’d like one for the “fun of it”.
Does anyone know for sure what kind of cars this outfit really had or is this possibly a fictitious paint scheme?
Best regards,
Dave Lawler

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Re: Stark Bros wood-side box HO...

al_brown03
 

My comment was too cryptic: I meant that 40-foot cars with Murphy roofs were uncommon *in 1901*, so (presuming the ad is correctly dated) I suspect that the car is simply the closest in T-M's line.

AL B.

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

Well, that Train-Miniature car is a 40-footer with a Murphy roof, so I'd be surprised if it's a correct model in any strict sense; but on the other hand, the paint scheme may have been applied to some vaguely similar DS box (in 1901, perhaps a 36- or even 34-foot car).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "jwestkohl" <j.kohl@> wrote:

I purchased a Stark Brothers (nursery) wood-side box awhile back, SBX 41 built by Train Miniature in HO scale. There is no build date, but according to the advertisement on the side, the car would have been built around 1901. I looked in the 1908 ORER, but didn't find them.

I purchased this car because it pertains to the Missouri K-line, but would obviously like to see if it was an actual car. If it is a real car, I'm interested if anyone has a photo of it.

http://www.castlegraphics.com/files/DSC_6867.jpg

Cheers!

Jan Kohl
Castle Graphics
transport.castlegraphics.com


Re: PE 5700 series gondola

Lee Gautreaux
 

Bill,

My primary reference for cars prior to 1960 is a series of ORER's on CD-ROM from Westerfield. Dates as follows:

1930 - Dec - ?
1940 - Jan - 2158
1950 - Jul - 1256
1959 - Jan - 0

I was quite amazed at the number of PE cars in the ORER at the late years as listed above.

I need to go through these entries to get the PE pages more up to date.

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


I can add the following:
PE 5600-5699
50 cars went to the SP 44110-44159 series and 50 stayed at the PE.
The July 1933 ORER does not list the SP series, the October 1937
ORER lists 50 cars in the SP series. Subsequent years list 50 cars
in the SP and PE series.

PE 5700-5899
100 cars went to the SP 47566-47665 series and 100 stayed at the PE.
The January 1939 ORER lists an SP 47091-47577 series of 135 hopper
bottom gondolas, HD type, and no mention of the 47566 series. The July
1940 ORER lists 100 cars in the SP 47566-47665 series with a triangle
denoting additions. The HD type gons are listed as 47096-47546 with a
total of 16 cars and a diamond denoting and increase !? Subsequent
years list 100 cars + or - in the SP and PE series.

Lee what quarter is your 1940 ORER ?
This will narrow my time frame for the transfer of the 5700s.
Later,
Bill Kelly


Re: Now I have a question regarding P2K 50-foot

Greg Martin
 

Richard points out:





"Greg, the width of the door opening on the L-L P2K car body is 15'3".

Richard Hendrickson"

My next question are there doors available to create YSD for an opening for 14'6' opening or am I going to have to cut down the Life Doors? Not looking forward to that task but if I have to I suppose I shall...

TIA,

Greg Martin


Re: PE 5700 series gondola

Bill Kelly
 

Thanks Tony, I see it now.
Later,
Bill Kelly


Anthony Thompson wrote:
Bill Kelly wrote:
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Bill, the transfer date was April 1, 1940, as you can see in my

gondola book. This is from SP's car ledger.
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ADMIN: SPAM, Viruses, etc = OFF TOPIC

Aley, Jeff A
 

Folks,

While I'm sure that SPAM is a subject that affects us all, let us confine ourselves to discussion of STEAM-ERA FREIGHT CARS.

Those who wish to continue to discuss how to protect themselves should do so OFF LIST.

Thanks,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC


Re: ADMIN: Re: HELLO

Brian Ehni <behni@...>
 

What you're looking for are "Firmware Updates".


Thanks!
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From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:55 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ADMIN: Re: HELLO






Tim O'Connor wrote:
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Re: ADMIN: Re: HELLO

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Seriously, the firewall/router thing is REALLY important. Attacking your router (and hijacking your DNS searches, so your web URL's are redirected without your knowledge) is one of the newest and most insidious forms of attack. Only very recent home routers have software that protects against this. If your router is more than 2 years old, replace it!
I can appreciate Tim's effort to boost the economy through increased router sales. But actually, Tim, even for much older routers, the manufacturers offer software updates for improved firewall protection. If you have an old one, query the maker and see what is available.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: PE 5700 series gondola

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bill Kelly wrote:
PE 5700-5899
100 cars went to the SP 47566-47665 series and 100 stayed at the PE. The January 1939 ORER lists an SP 47091-47577 series of 135 hopper bottom gondolas, HD type, and no mention of the 47566 series. The July 1940 ORER lists 100 cars in the SP 47566-47665 series with a triangle denoting additions. The HD type gons are listed as 47096-47546 with a total of 16 cars and a diamond denoting and increase !? Subsequent years list 100 cars + or - in the SP and PE series.

This will narrow my time frame for the transfer of the 5700s.
Bill, the transfer date was April 1, 1940, as you can see in my gondola book. This is from SP's car ledger.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: PE 5700 series gondola

Bill Kelly
 

I can add the following:
PE 5600-5699
50 cars went to the SP 44110-44159 series and 50 stayed at the PE.
The July 1933 ORER does not list the SP series, the October 1937
ORER lists 50 cars in the SP series. Subsequent years list 50 cars
in the SP and PE series.

PE 5700-5899
100 cars went to the SP 47566-47665 series and 100 stayed at the PE.
The January 1939 ORER lists an SP 47091-47577 series of 135 hopper
bottom gondolas, HD type, and no mention of the 47566 series. The July
1940 ORER lists 100 cars in the SP 47566-47665 series with a triangle
denoting additions. The HD type gons are listed as 47096-47546 with a
total of 16 cars and a diamond denoting and increase !? Subsequent
years list 100 cars + or - in the SP and PE series.

Lee what quarter is your 1940 ORER ?
This will narrow my time frame for the transfer of the 5700s.
Later,
Bill Kelly


Tony Thompson wrote:
Lee Gautreaux wrote:
I have a few questions about these cars. First, do you know the
limits of the SP series to which the PE 5700-5899 were renumbered?
My 1940 ORER does not list them, and my 1950 ORER lists SP
47572-47663 with only 3 remaining. The other group of PE gons
that went to the SP I have as PE 5601-5699 PSC 1913. Can you tell me
if this is correct for a group of 99 cars, or should it start at
5600?
Were these the only PE gons to go to SP?
I don't know for a fact which cars went to SP, as they do
not show up in my ledgers. It looks like about 100 of the original 200
PE cars were transferred. I have a 1944 ORER, which list 98 cars in SP
series 47566-47665. The Swett PE book (Vol. III on cars) lists only
four specific cars: PE 5730 going to SP 47566, 5780 going to SP
47567, 5831 going to 47568 and 5832 to 47569.
For the PE 5600 series, I'm sure it was 5600-5699, as the
_Railway Age_ entry said 100 cars. Only 50 of them survived to get
transferred to SP in 1937-38 (these cars do show up in my ledgers).
Not sure what you mean by the question, "Were these the
only PE gons to go to SP?" since lots of the GS gons, and some of the
G-50-13 GB gons were also transferred, as shown in my book.

Tony Thompson
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ADMIN: Re: Re: HELLO

Brian <cornbeltroute@...>
 

. . . about 20% of ALL internet traffic is now attacks, so protect yourself!!! There are literally tens of millions of hijacked computers online and their owners are unaware of it in most cases. . . . Your smart phone, iPad, PC, Mac, and even your home routers and modems can be hijacked without your knowledge. . . . -Tim O'Connor <
For an XP PC, Windows Firewall in the control panel is our chief firewall protection? Checked the relevant settings in Firefox, too (browsers help protect, I take it).

My cable modem connects to my PC via a Vonage PC telephone box. Guess I don't have a router. Unless the cable company provides that service?

How does one select a good router for a home PC?

Thanks much,

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa


Re: Correct Tank and lettering color for Staley 8K Tank cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 16, 2012, at 9:12 AM, erict1361 wrote:

I wanted to know what the correct color of Staley 8k Tank cars in
the late 1940's, (excluding the Orange painted University of
Illini. cars). Sunshine models Kit PDS for Kit 97.9 GATC Type 30,
AESX # 20-107, states " Black Lettering on a Silver car". The
Protocraft Decal website states " Black Lettering on a White car
for " Pressed Steel 8K cars. AESX 700 series. I found a photo in
the " tank car Color Guide by James Kinkaid, page 4 showing a White
tank with Blue lettering, car number 719, photo taken in 1967.

Did Staley change the color of their Tankcars and the color of
their lettering at some point, was this related or not related to
whom the builder was ?
Eric, Staley changed the P/L colors of their tank cars several times
in the '50s and '60s, but in the late '40s all Staley cars,
regardless of builder, had aluminum painted tanks with black bottom
sheets, underframes, trucks, and lettering.

Richard Hendrickson


Correct Tank and lettering color for Staley 8K Tank cars

erict1361 <erict1361@...>
 

I wanted to know what the correct color of Staley 8k Tank cars in the late 1940's, (excluding the Orange painted University of Illini. cars). Sunshine models Kit PDS for Kit 97.9 GATC Type 30, AESX # 20-107, states " Black Lettering on a Silver car". The Protocraft Decal website states " Black Lettering on a White car for " Pressed Steel 8K cars. AESX 700 series. I found a photo in the " tank car Color Guide by James Kinkaid, page 4 showing a White tank with Blue lettering, car number 719, photo taken in 1967.

Did Staley change the color of their Tankcars and the color of their lettering at some point, was this related or not related to whom the builder was ?

Thanks,

Eric


Re: South Buffalo Railway gondola

peteraue
 

Thank you very much for your information. This gondola will be nice contrast in my 1950 freight trains with boxcar red and black cars otherwise.
Peter Aue

--- In STMFC@..., "peteraue" <peteraue@...> wrote:

On Ebay I recently got a P2K Mill Gon lettered for South Buffalo #209 with 12-49 built and package dates. Car, underframe and trucks are all painted bright reddish orange with yellow lettering. Is that model real or a fobie?
Peter Aue


Re: Stark Bros wood-side box HO...

jerryglow2
 

If you or anyone is interested, I could do a decal to apply to a correct (or any) car. I've roughed out the bear logo here:
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/Stark.jpg

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals

--- In STMFC@..., "jwestkohl" <j.kohl@...> wrote:

I purchased a Stark Brothers (nursery) wood-side box awhile back, SBX 41 built by Train Miniature in HO scale. There is no build date, but according to the advertisement on the side, the car would have been built around 1901. I looked in the 1908 ORER, but didn't find them.

I purchased this car because it pertains to the Missouri K-line, but would obviously like to see if it was an actual car. If it is a real car, I'm interested if anyone has a photo of it.

http://www.castlegraphics.com/files/DSC_6867.jpg

Cheers!

Jan Kohl
Castle Graphics
transport.castlegraphics.com


Re: Stark Bros wood-side box HO...

al_brown03
 

Well, that Train-Miniature car is a 40-footer with a Murphy roof, so I'd be surprised if it's a correct model in any strict sense; but on the other hand, the paint scheme may have been applied to some vaguely similar DS box (in 1901, perhaps a 36- or even 34-foot car).

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "jwestkohl" <j.kohl@...> wrote:

I purchased a Stark Brothers (nursery) wood-side box awhile back, SBX 41 built by Train Miniature in HO scale. There is no build date, but according to the advertisement on the side, the car would have been built around 1901. I looked in the 1908 ORER, but didn't find them.

I purchased this car because it pertains to the Missouri K-line, but would obviously like to see if it was an actual car. If it is a real car, I'm interested if anyone has a photo of it.

http://www.castlegraphics.com/files/DSC_6867.jpg

Cheers!

Jan Kohl
Castle Graphics
transport.castlegraphics.com


Stark Bros wood-side box HO...

jwestkohl <j.kohl@...>
 

I purchased a Stark Brothers (nursery) wood-side box awhile back, SBX 41 built by Train Miniature in HO scale. There is no build date, but according to the advertisement on the side, the car would have been built around 1901. I looked in the 1908 ORER, but didn't find them.

I purchased this car because it pertains to the Missouri K-line, but would obviously like to see if it was an actual car. If it is a real car, I'm interested if anyone has a photo of it.

http://www.castlegraphics.com/files/DSC_6867.jpg

Cheers!

Jan Kohl
Castle Graphics
transport.castlegraphics.com


Re: PE 5700 series gondola

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Okay, I was missing the G-50-9 and -13 cars. I knew there were more PE gons, but I forgot that some were given SP class designations when built. I think I have the appropriate updates made. The Swett book sounds awesome. Oh, Vol 1 is at the office. Thanks for the help.
The three Swett volumes are quite interesting and, for their time, very complete. Only Vol. III covers freight cars directly. The freight car information is sometimes a little fragmentary and in a few cases mistaken (I think that is a result of the material provided by Swett's sources, as he himself was very meticulous). I would call Vol. III very helpful and a good resource, but far from the last word. Probably its best feature is the detailed effort to describe all the PE work equipment and the various numbers assigned to those cars over the years.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: PE 5700 series gondola

Lee Gautreaux
 

Tony,

Okay, I was missing the G-50-9 and -13 cars. I knew there were more PE gons, but I forgot that some were given SP class designations when built. I think I have the appropriate updates made. The Swett book sounds awesome. Oh, Vol 1 is at the office. Thanks for the help.

Goat

I don't know for a fact which cars went to SP, as they do not
show up in my ledgers. It looks like about 100 of the original 200 PE
cars were transferred. I have a 1944 ORER, which list 98 cars in SP
series 47566-47665. The Swett PE book (Vol. III on cars) lists only
four specific cars: PE 5730 going to SP 47566, 5780 going to SP 47567,
5831 going to 47568 and 5832 to 47569.
For the PE 5600 series, I'm sure it was 5600-5699, as the
_Railway Age_ entry said 100 cars. Only 50 of them survived to get
transferred to SP in 1937-38 (these cars do show up in my ledgers).
Not sure what you mean by the question, "Were these the only
PE gons to go to SP?" since lots of the GS gons, and some of the
G-50-13 GB gons were also transferred, as shown in my book.

Tony Thompson

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