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Re: Kadee's new generation of trucks

Andy Harman
 

At 07:15 PM 5/8/2012 -0700, you wrote:
to the track, making them easier to re-rail. All in all, the kind of
engineering excellence we have come to expect from Kadee, and they
are gradually replacing the older trucks with them.
Has anyone installed code 88 wheels in these yet? I was looking at the Reboxx web site and they recommended a 1.115" axle length for the older Kadee trucks. I tried them in a pair of the new A3s and there is too much play - although the Kadee axle measures at about 1.115" tip to tip, the smaller diameter and point on the Reboxx axle just rattles around in the Kadee journal. I'm thinking they're going to need 1.125 or 1.130. My current policy on code 88 wheels is that I will try to always use them on any open-ended car... hopper, tank car, etc where the wheel profile is visible, and I'll use them on a box car or gondola if the kit comes with them in the correct trucks but otherwise I'll use code 110.

Andy


Re: Kadee's new generation of trucks

O Fenton Wells
 

Andy, I agree with your observations and I now feel better. I installed
them on a Westerfield kit and had an interesting time installing them
and getting them to 'behave'. They did look nice and they track and roll
well but they are definatly not drop ins for the old style trucks. I
thought I was all thumbs for a while.
Fenton Wells
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Andy Harman <gsgondola@...> wrote:

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At 01:15 AM 5/9/2012 +0000, you wrote:
I don't have any of the new generation of Kadee two-piece trucks as yet.
Are they impregnated with metal and do they the brake rigging?
I have installed them on a few cars, they look great but take some getting
used to. The self-centering mounting system is sort of a built-in
suspension. It doesn't play nice with other mechanisms like the Reichart
pivot washers I like to use - it wants you to snug up the included screw
tight against the bolster, so it wants a flat bolster surface. You may
need to shorten the screw that comes with the trucks as well.

Then again, I never really had any complaints about their classic line of
sprung trucks either. The new ones look better and run as well or better
IF you go with their setup, but they aren't necessarily a drop-on
replacement for previous setups.

Andy




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Re: The wait for Sunshine kits

Andy Harman
 

At 03:42 PM 5/8/2012 -1000, you wrote:
Ted produced many superb kits and exited for reasons outside of business.
I ended up with a grand total of two... the Wabash box car and the N&W gondola. I was just thumbing through his ebay (completed) listings... I could have used that P&WV postwar box car but oh well. I only bought from him directly at shows, which is how I bought all my Sunshine stuff... so there was never a question of availability. Someone contacted me last year and said they could get me some of Ted's 6' 7-panel Superior doors which I needed for something, but never heard back.

Andy


Re: Kadee's new generation of trucks

Andy Harman
 

At 01:15 AM 5/9/2012 +0000, you wrote:
I don't have any of the new generation of Kadee two-piece trucks as yet. Are they impregnated with metal and do they the brake rigging?
I have installed them on a few cars, they look great but take some getting used to. The self-centering mounting system is sort of a built-in suspension. It doesn't play nice with other mechanisms like the Reichart pivot washers I like to use - it wants you to snug up the included screw tight against the bolster, so it wants a flat bolster surface. You may need to shorten the screw that comes with the trucks as well.

Then again, I never really had any complaints about their classic line of sprung trucks either. The new ones look better and run as well or better IF you go with their setup, but they aren't necessarily a drop-on replacement for previous setups.

Andy


Re: Modeling truss rods

Richard B <brennan8@...>
 

It depends on what size bridge you are modeling...


Richard

(STMFC: ... that the the freight cars traveled over!)

--- In STMFC@..., "Nelson Moyer" <ku0a@...> wrote:
Let's see now, 0.025 in. wire is equivalent to 2.25 in. in HO scale.
Those are some bodacious truss rods!


Re: The wait for Sunshine kits

Andy Harman
 

At 12:21 AM 5/9/2012 +0000, you wrote:
F&C has him beat. I paid for a C&O 40' DD box car at last years St Louis RPM in August. Haven't seen it yet.
I've been waiting 7(?) years for a replacement roof for the piece of bacon that came with my NYC/Rutland baggage car.

Andy


Re: Modeling truss rods

Steve SANDIFER
 

Details west makes stainless wire as small as .010 which I use for all sorts
of piping. It will not bend as easily as brass.



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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Modeling truss rods





Let's see now, 0.025 in. wire is equivalent to 2.25 in. in HO scale. Those
are some bodacious truss rods!

Nelson

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robertm
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Modeling truss rods

At the recommendation of a modeler better than me I used

.025" music wire from K&S Engineering. You can find it at Walthers.

The good thing about this is its steel just like the prototype.

Bob Moeller

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<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "EdwardM"
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<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "robertm"
<robertmoeller47@> wrote:
In the end I used music wire.
What diameter did you use and where did you get it?

Ed Mines


Re: Modeling truss rods

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Let's see now, 0.025 in. wire is equivalent to 2.25 in. in HO scale. Those
are some bodacious truss rods!



Nelson

-----Original Message-----
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robertm
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:47 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Modeling truss rods





At the recommendation of a modeler better than me I used

.025" music wire from K&S Engineering. You can find it at Walthers.

The good thing about this is its steel just like the prototype.

Bob Moeller

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "EdwardM"
<ed_mines@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "robertm"
<robertmoeller47@> wrote:
In the end I used music wire.
What diameter did you use and where did you get it?

Ed Mines


Re: Modeling truss rods

Tim O'Connor
 

That sounds too large to me. How large is the prototype truss rod (diameter)?

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "robertm" <robertmoeller47@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:47:06 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Modeling truss rods

At the recommendation of a modeler better than me I used

.025" music wire from K&S Engineering. You can find it at Walthers.

The good thing about this is its steel just like the prototype.

Bob Moeller


Accurail 40' Steel Plug Door Refrigerator Car

Ray Thibaut
 

Hello Friends,
I read with interest a review in the June 2012 issue of "Model Railroader". On page 72 Steven Otte reviews a Accurail 40'Steel Plug Door Reefer. He states the Prototype for this Kit was The BREX car built by FGEX. I understand WFEX, BREX,and FGEX companies were related. My question is, "Is this car close enough for FGEX cars?" Accurail is offering a lot of paint schemes for this car. What paint schemes are prototypical and which ones are "Foobies". Would these cars have been seen in large numbers on the Pennsy between Fort Wayne and Pittsburgh around 1955? I'm planning to model Forest, Dunkirk, Dola, and Ada,Ohio on the Pennsy's Fort Wayne Division.
Ray Thibaut
teabow1958@...


Re: Let's talk about ladders.

Tim O'Connor
 

Pierre

Ladders have different widths (sometimes variable width), and different heights, and different numbers
of rungs. Some cars can be found with different ladders (e.g. MILW ribsides, B&O M-53's) And sometimes
the sill steps are attached at the bottom. An etched stile looks good. The best solution is high precision
injected molded ladders (e.g. the Detail Associates 7 and 8 rung ladders for 10'6" box cars), but that's
probably not practical for many cases.

Tim O'Connor

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From: "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 9:59:15 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Let's talk about ladders.

Lately I've been thinking about available car ladders.
Generally, I'm not pleased with the overall quality of most of the commercial offerings. Badly rendered rungs, oversized stiles, etc.
So I'd like to generate an informal poll here, to try and establish if there's a desire for better ladders and what form that might take.

I'm particularly fond of the approach Ted Cullotta took with the Miner ladders in the Wabash AAR kitbash in a box. He supplied a set of photo-etched stiles that had the holes for grabs etched in and the modeler had to bend the stile into the angle shape and insert individual rungs from wire. Tedious but very effective. Looks great as well!

Another approach is to etch the entire ladder, while still requiring the stiles to be folded to create the correct angle look. The downside is the rungs are flat in profile.

The first etched approach would also create an option for a variety of rung spacings.

What's your thoughts?

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com


Let's talk about ladders.

Robert kirkham
 

I've printed off a set of ladders using rapid prototyping. They have scale stiles, .2 mm rungs and (as they are for Canadian boxcars) built in place stirrup steps which at .3 mm thickness are noticeably closer to scale than anything I have used - molded or etched. They are flexible, rugged to a degree - and take paint well. I'll try to post a photo this evening when I get home from work. The price isn't cheap, but they allow one to design any style of ladder imaginable.

Rob Kirkham

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From: <jerryglow@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:21 AM
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Let's talk about ladders.

The PE stiles w/ wire rungs approach would allow for wider ladders used by some but individual artwork (easy enough) would have to be done for different rung spacing.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Lately I've been thinking about available car ladders.
Generally, I'm not pleased with the overall quality of most of the commercial offerings. Badly rendered rungs, oversized stiles, etc.
So I'd like to generate an informal poll here, to try and establish if there's a desire for better ladders and what form that might take.

I'm particularly fond of the approach Ted Cullotta took with the Miner ladders in the Wabash AAR kitbash in a box. He supplied a set of photo-etched stiles that had the holes for grabs etched in and the modeler had to bend the stile into the angle shape and insert individual rungs from wire. Tedious but very effective. Looks great as well!

Another approach is to etch the entire ladder, while still requiring the stiles to be folded to create the correct angle look. The downside is the rungs are flat in profile.

The first etched approach would also create an option for a variety of rung spacings.

What's your thoughts?

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com


Re: Speedwitch site

jerryglow2
 

I should have mentioned, the listing was not misleading. It was listed as containing all proprietary parts (meaning resin and decals) at least for the GM&O DD conversion I purchased.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

And some of it like one I bought was resin parts only with nothing else.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Sandifer" <steve.sandifer@> wrote:

He has put a lot of stuff on Ebay recently.



______________________________________________

J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer

mailto:steve.sandifer@

Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918

Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
EdwardM
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:10 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Speedwitch site





How long has this been gone?

Any news?

Ed Mines







Re: Let's talk about ladders.

jerryglow2
 

The PE stiles w/ wire rungs approach would allow for wider ladders used by some but individual artwork (easy enough) would have to be done for different rung spacing.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Lately I've been thinking about available car ladders.
Generally, I'm not pleased with the overall quality of most of the commercial offerings. Badly rendered rungs, oversized stiles, etc.
So I'd like to generate an informal poll here, to try and establish if there's a desire for better ladders and what form that might take.

I'm particularly fond of the approach Ted Cullotta took with the Miner ladders in the Wabash AAR kitbash in a box. He supplied a set of photo-etched stiles that had the holes for grabs etched in and the modeler had to bend the stile into the angle shape and insert individual rungs from wire. Tedious but very effective. Looks great as well!

Another approach is to etch the entire ladder, while still requiring the stiles to be folded to create the correct angle look. The downside is the rungs are flat in profile.

The first etched approach would also create an option for a variety of rung spacings.

What's your thoughts?

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com


Let's talk about ladders.

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Lately I've been thinking about available car ladders.
Generally, I'm not pleased with the overall quality of most of the commercial offerings. Badly rendered rungs, oversized stiles, etc.
So I'd like to generate an informal poll here, to try and establish if there's a desire for better ladders and what form that might take.

I'm particularly fond of the approach Ted Cullotta took with the Miner ladders in the Wabash AAR kitbash in a box. He supplied a set of photo-etched stiles that had the holes for grabs etched in and the modeler had to bend the stile into the angle shape and insert individual rungs from wire. Tedious but very effective. Looks great as well!

Another approach is to etch the entire ladder, while still requiring the stiles to be folded to create the correct angle look. The downside is the rungs are flat in profile.

The first etched approach would also create an option for a variety of rung spacings.

What's your thoughts?

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com


Re: Modeling truss rods

robertm <robertmoeller47@...>
 

At the recommendation of a modeler better than me I used

.025" music wire from K&S Engineering. You can find it at Walthers.

The good thing about this is its steel just like the prototype.

Bob Moeller

--- In STMFC@..., "EdwardM" <ed_mines@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@..., "robertm" <robertmoeller47@> wrote:
In the end I used music wire.
What diameter did you use and where did you get it?

Ed Mines


Re: The wait for Sunshine kits

Mark
 

I have an order with Ted that is old but have faith that he will come through. Really want that B&LE boxcar!

Mark Morgan


Re: online NYC municipal archive photos

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Ed – I’ve visited the Municipal Archives in my research for my Bronx elevated line. It has thousands of photos of real estate taken in 1941 for valuation purposes on microfilm. By cross referencing the plot books you can narrow your search down to specific blocks. I now have dozens of photocopies of buildings to accurately model the background of my modules. – Al Westerfield

From: EdwardM
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:00 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] online NYC municipal archive photos


I saw a news story about this on TV a couple of weeks ago.

The searches that I did - freight cars, box cars, coal cars, freight yards .....were disappointing.

Several years ago there was a TV program on the NYC municipal channel where they showed several hundred old photos of NYC in an hour, accompanied by modern music. Each photo was displayed for about 5 seconds. Each sequence was repeated or a lot more photos would have been showed in each program.

Every so often there would be a railroad themed picture, like the freight yard in Manhattan where Lincoln center is located now (Joe Collias has a couple of nice STMFC photos taken in that yard). Ditto for the freight yard near the Bronx zoo and the Sunnyside yards.

Ed Mines


Re: Speedwitch site

jerryglow2
 

And some of it like one I bought was resin parts only with nothing else.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Sandifer" <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

He has put a lot of stuff on Ebay recently.



______________________________________________

J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer

mailto:steve.sandifer@...

Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918

Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
EdwardM
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:10 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Speedwitch site





How long has this been gone?

Any news?

Ed Mines





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Re: Kadee's new generation of trucks

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 8, 2012, at 6:15 PM, lnbill wrote:
I don't have any of the new generation of Kadee two-piece trucks as
yet. Are they impregnated with metal and do they the brake rigging?
Bill, the truck frames are a composite plastic and metal material
which is fairly heavy, and they are equalized but have done away with
the unprototypical-looking see-through "working" springs. And yes,
they do have brake rigging. They also have a bolster and bushing
arrangement so that, when the car is picked up, the trucks self-align
to the track, making them easier to re-rail. All in all, the kind of
engineering excellence we have come to expect from Kadee, and they
are gradually replacing the older trucks with them.

Richard Hendrickson

86801 - 86820 of 195525