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Re: Southern Car & Foundry tank car kit questions

Andy Harman
 

At 11:57 AM 5/11/2012 -0700, you wrote:
Upon special request we will sell the #78 coupler "only", no box, with centering springs for #2.35 per pair plus shipping, directly from Kadee.
Excellent... the best run company in the MR business strikes again. Thanks Sam :-)

Andy


Re: Southern Car & Foundry tank car kit questions

Andy Harman
 

At 11:42 AM 5/11/2012 -0700, you wrote:
simpler to manufacture. I gathered that you can look for ALL Kadee
couplers, eventually, to be whisker type.
The only issue I see here is that the bronze spring provides some thickness and in some manufacturer's draft gear a whisker coupler may droop a little. But that's easily fixed with a shim, which is a lot easier than fixing the opposite problem. I encountered several cars from Athearn and BLI that did not have room for the ubiquitous bronze spring without binding, which was a pain to fix before the whiskers came along. I probably use whiskers now at an 8 to 1 preference over the bronze. I also stick with the large heads on longer cars - but I don't think those will be going away any time soon.

I also have another growing Athearn bluebox collection of clone couplers and springs including the Walthers #5 clone and bronze springs. Amazing how fast that box fills up... when it's full it goes on ebay like the last one. Got $12 I think.

Andy


Re: reweighing

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 11, 2012, at 11:27 AM, timboconnor@... wrote:

All of which raises a question -- If a car's truck or trucks were
replaced (for
whatever reason) was the railroad required to reweigh the car
immediately?
What about other car parts (e.g. replacing a coupler with a newer
one?)
Reweighing was required any time a significant component - certainly
a truck, wheelset, coupler, power hand brake, etc. - was changed.
Restenciling was required if the weight changed by more than 300
lbs., which was only a small part of the total weight of (e.g.) a
wheelset or a coupler.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Southern Car & Foundry tank car kit questions

Andy Harman
 

At 06:19 PM 5/11/2012 +0000, you wrote:
Hum, the little bags that contain the photo etch fret and brass grab irons also has a pair of couplers in them.
Cool. So I just need to find 78s for my ~~10 unbuilt RYM kits.

Andy


Re: Southern Car & Foundry tank car kit questions

SamClarke
 

Hello group,

As Andy and others have pointed out the old #78 coupler has a special shank and centering system that's unique only to the #78 coupler. The inside of the #78 box has a wedge or chevron shaped centering post that matches the pivoting hole in the #78 coupler. No other coupler works on this post. Several smaller manufacturers have molded their coupler pockets for the #78 coupler with the chevron pivoting post.

Not long ago we changed the centering post inside the #78 box to the standard round post to accommodate our "whisker" couplers. The original #78 was difficult for the average modeler (if there is such) to assemble so we assemble the #78 here at our plant. To save a great deal of labor we looked into using our #158 scale head whisker coupler in the #78 box and when we knew the whisker couplers would work in the narrow box we went ahead with the change. The #78 has been discontinued as a retail product but has been replaced with the #178 using the #158 coupler in the modified #78 box.

However, all is not lost concerning the #78 coupler. The #78 is the coupler we are using in all of our freight cars so we are still producing the #78 coupler for our in house use and we'll continue to do so until we get around to changing over to the whisker couplers in our cars, an eventuality.

Upon special request we will sell the #78 coupler "only", no box, with centering springs for #2.35 per pair plus shipping, directly from Kadee. Also note that the coil "centering spring" for the #78 is the common #622 "knuckle spring" used in the #5 size of couplers.

Thanks Tony for your comments too.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products


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Hum, the little bags that contain the photo etch fret and brass grab irons also has a pair of couplers in them.

Jon may need to deal with the changes at Kadee, especially with the two new tank car kits he is planning to release.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@... wrote:

Their coupler pockets are design for a Kadee #78 couple. Which has been discontinued. Anyone know of any still available?

Clark Propst


Re: Southern Car & Foundry tank car kit questions

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

My understanding from talking to Kadee's Sam Clarke last weekend is that the VERY familiar bronze centering spring is probably on the way out--the dies are getting seriously worn. They like the whisker function very well, it holds up well in testing, and is simpler to manufacture. I gathered that you can look for ALL Kadee couplers, eventually, to be whisker type.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Interesting Waybill Sticker

Tim O'Connor
 

Maybe not as a single decal, but I think a whole sheet of stickers like this and many
others (e.g. FUMIGATED warning) would be great to have. I've used a lot of the placards
and signs in that set printed by Microscale based on R. Hendrickson's information. One
can always use more of this stuff! :-)

Tim

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I can't imagine much demand for them, but I'm going to make a decal like I have the tankcar placards.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@..., "Charles Hostetler" <cesicjh@...> wrote:

I ran across this "Expedite" waybill sticker from the B&O in 1925:

http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2012/05/interesting-waybill-sticker.html

It seemed to me that this might be an interesting variation to operations with prototype waybills, but I'm also wondering whether this practice was limited to a few railroads in the 1920s or whether it had more general application.

Regards,

Charles Hostetler


Re: reweighing

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
All of which raises a question -- If a car's truck or trucks were replaced (for whatever reason) was the railroad required to reweigh the car immediately? What about other car parts (e.g. replacing a coupler with a newer one?)
In 1953, the rule (Rule 11) said "Freight cars . . . when materially changed by repairs or alterations, should be immediately re- weighed and re-stenciled." Seems pretty clear to me.


Re: reweighing

Tim O'Connor
 

All of which raises a question -- If a car's truck or trucks were replaced (for
whatever reason) was the railroad required to reweigh the car immediately?
What about other car parts (e.g. replacing a coupler with a newer one?)

Tim O'Connor


New PRR models from F&C

Bill Welch
 

F&C shows two new PRR models on their website.

Bill Welch


Re: Southern Car & Foundry tank car kit questions

Bill Welch
 

Hum, the little bags that contain the photo etch fret and brass grab irons also has a pair of couplers in them.

Jon may need to deal with the changes at Kadee, especially with the two new tank car kits he is planning to release.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@... wrote:

Their coupler pockets are design for a Kadee #78 couple. Which has been discontinued. Anyone know of any still available?

Clark Propst


Re: Southern Car & Foundry tank car kit questions

Andy Harman
 

At 10:55 AM 5/11/2012 -0700, you wrote:

Does the coupler pocket require the Kadee coupler draft gear? If so, you can
use a #178? If it only requires the coupler, you can use any Kadee centerset
shank semiscale coupler - the main difference between the #58 and #78 was the
draft gear.
http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/page78.htm - notice the different shape of the center and the coil spring. The SC&F and RYM resin kits have a molded coupler pocket with that type of setup for the coil spring. I am not sure if a 158 is a drop-in replacement or not. If not, I guess I need to go find more 78s pronto.

Andy


Re: Southern Car & Foundry tank car kit questions

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst wrote:
"Their coupler pockets are design for a Kadee #78 coupler. Which has been
discontinued. Anyone know of any still available?"

Does the coupler pocket require the Kadee coupler draft gear?  If so, you can
use a #178?  If it only requires the coupler, you can use any Kadee centerset
shank semiscale coupler - the main difference between the #58 and #78 was the
draft gear.
http://www.kadee.com/htmbord/coupler.htm#HO-Scale


Ben Hom


Re: Southern Car & Foundry tank car kit questions

Andy Harman
 

At 12:49 PM 5/11/2012 -0500, you wrote:
Clark, the #178 is the same box size as the #78, the coupler is one of the
whisker types. Would that fit?
Well crap. The 178 is just a 158 in the narrow box. The 78 had the coil centering spring like the old #4 and does seem to be gone. You would have to do some mods to the center stud of a coupler box designed for a 178 to take a 158.

Strange that the 78 has been dropped - it wasn't around that long. I bought some just a few weeks ago for an RYM car. Don't remember where though.

Andy


Re: Southern Car & Foundry tank car kit questions

Andy Harman
 

At 05:40 PM 5/11/2012 +0000, you wrote:
Their coupler pockets are design for a Kadee #78 couple. Which has been discontinued. Anyone know of any still available?
78 or 178? There is no 78 listed on their site, 178 is still available. Comes in its own draft gear which you will probably need to discard. I have some of the SC&F tank cars unbuilt of course.

Andy


Re: Southern Car & Foundry tank car kit questions

Joseph
 

Clark, the #178 is the same box size as the #78, the coupler is one of the whisker types. Would that fit?
joe binish

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Their coupler pockets are design for a Kadee #78 couple. Which has been discontinued. Anyone know of any still available?

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Re: Southern Car & Foundry tank car kit questions

Andy Harman
 

At 05:40 PM 5/11/2012 +0000, you wrote:
Their coupler pockets are design for a Kadee #78 couple. Which has been discontinued. Anyone know of any still available?
I didn't know they were discontinued. Most RYM kits (also discontinued) require them.

Andy


Re: reweighing

Andy Harman
 

At 10:09 AM 5/11/2012 -0700, you wrote:

A wood sheathed car, in its first year to two years of service,
lost hundreds of pounds of weight due to continued drying of the wood.
I guess I should have known that. As someone has many times carried a Christmas tree into the house with two hands, and carried it out four weeks later with one hand. A 40' wood box car or even a steel one with a wood floor has a lot of Christmas trees in it.

Andy


Re: Southern Car & Foundry tank car kit questions

Clark Propst
 

Their coupler pockets are design for a Kadee #78 couple. Which has been discontinued. Anyone know of any still available?

Clark Propst


Re: Interesting Waybill Sticker

jerryglow2
 

Yes if you mean on a model. A pair will be set with all new orders upon request. If an interest, I could put an image in the files or photos area for use with paperwork used in "ops"

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Jerry Glow wrote:
I can't imagine much demand for them, but I'm going to make a decal
like I have the tankcar placards.
The "expedite" sticker was applied to waybills. Will this decal
be for application to model waybills???

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

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