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Attaching Kadee running boards to plastic roofs

Mikebrock
 

For those that have attached Kadee running boards [ I almost wrote roof walks...gasp! ] to plastic roofs...what do you use for an adhesive? I'm having trouble with CA types of glue with this process.

Armand, I'm pretty sure you've done this...are you awake up there?

Mike Brock

Re: Evergreen--hat section? And more?

Tom Houle <thoule@...>
 

Plastruct makes Styrene zee strips in 1/16", 3/32", 1/8", 3/16", and 1/4".
Walthers has them.

Northeastern Scale Lumber has basswood zees. They are very thin. I soak
them with thin CA after they are glued in place. They look like metal when
they are primed and painted.

Zees are also available in brass (K & S or Special Shapes) though they I
don't think they are as crisp as the Styrene and basswood zees.

Tom Houle

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Aley, Jeff A
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 4:29 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Evergreen--hat section? And more?

I'll start by saying that I know very little about how Evergreen styrene is
manufactured.

However, it seems that making hat- or Z- sections WITH AN ACCEPTABLY THIN
cross-section would be very very difficult.

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Nelson Moyer
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:46 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Evergreen--hat section? And more?



Z-channel! CB&Q used Z-channel instead of hat channel for framing
single-sheathed boxcars. Up to now, the only scratchbuilding option is to
build them up from individual strips of styrene.

Nelson Moyer

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[mailto:STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
spsalso
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:09 PM
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Evergreen--hat section? And more?

It's been suggested that it would be nice if Evergreen made hat section. Can
anyone supply drawings and/or dimensions for this?

I wonder also how standardized hat section was. Any opinions?

Are there other "special shapes" that Evergreen could produce that would be
useful?

Ed

Edward Sutorik









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Re: Evergreen--hat section? And more?

Aley, Jeff A
 

I'll start by saying that I know very little about how Evergreen styrene is manufactured.

However, it seems that making hat- or Z- sections WITH AN ACCEPTABLY THIN cross-section would be very very difficult.

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:46 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Evergreen--hat section? And more?



Z-channel! CB&Q used Z-channel instead of hat channel for framing
single-sheathed boxcars. Up to now, the only scratchbuilding option is to
build them up from individual strips of styrene.

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
spsalso
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:09 PM
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Evergreen--hat section? And more?

It's been suggested that it would be nice if Evergreen made hat section. Can
anyone supply drawings and/or dimensions for this?

I wonder also how standardized hat section was. Any opinions?

Are there other "special shapes" that Evergreen could produce that would be
useful?

Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: Evergreen--hat section? And more?

Charles Hladik
 

Nelson,
I believe that Northeastern makes them in the real scratchbuilding
material, wood!
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 6/14/2012 4:42:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ku0a@... writes:




Z-channel! CB&Q used Z-channel instead of hat channel for framing
single-sheathed boxcars. Up to now, the only scratchbuilding option is to
build them up from individual strips of styrene.

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: _STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...)
[mailto:_STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...) ] On Behalf Of
spsalso
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:09 PM
To: _STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...)
Subject: [STMFC] Evergreen--hat section? And more?

It's been suggested that it would be nice if Evergreen made hat section.
Can
anyone supply drawings and/or dimensions for this?

I wonder also how standardized hat section was. Any opinions?

Are there other "special shapes" that Evergreen could produce that would be
useful?

Ed

Edward Sutorik

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Re: Evergreen--hat section? And more?

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Z-channel! CB&Q used Z-channel instead of hat channel for framing
single-sheathed boxcars. Up to now, the only scratchbuilding option is to
build them up from individual strips of styrene.



Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
spsalso
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:09 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Evergreen--hat section? And more?





It's been suggested that it would be nice if Evergreen made hat section. Can
anyone supply drawings and/or dimensions for this?

I wonder also how standardized hat section was. Any opinions?

Are there other "special shapes" that Evergreen could produce that would be
useful?

Ed

Edward Sutorik

Evergreen--hat section? And more?

spsalso
 

It's been suggested that it would be nice if Evergreen made hat section. Can anyone supply drawings and/or dimensions for this?

I wonder also how standardized hat section was. Any opinions?

Are there other "special shapes" that Evergreen could produce that would be useful?


Ed

Edward Sutorik

.030 grooved Evergreen styrene for Grooved freight car siding

Bill Welch
 

I picked up a sheet of .040 thick .030 grooved styrene yesterday and
like the look of it very much. This morning I played with it a little
bit scribing in alternating grooves slightly and saw enough
different that I decided to try it for a pattern. In experimenting it
became apparent that the effect was subtle enough that I needed to
mark the grooves I was going to score or I might either skip some or
do two grooves adjacent to each other. The other thing I noticed is
given the scribing technique I was using, the tip of the blade could
wander outside the groove, so I needed to use a steel edge to keep
the blade on coarse.

I used an .030 drafting pen to mark every other groove and then used
a short steel straight edge taped to the styrene to score the first
piece I had measured and cut for the pattern. To score or scribe each
groove I used the reverse side a new #11 blade using a light touch
with only enough pressure to keep the tip of the blade in the groove
and made four passes, all in the same direction. Once I cover the
whole piece of styrene I will turn it around and make one light pass
in the opposite direction to clean up the groove.

I stopped about midway because I was getting a little tired--I have
pink eye for the 3rd time since moving to Florida. I really like what
I see and I do not think it looks like a caricature but how we react
to something like this is purely subject. The scribing does induce
curvature and once I make sure the grooves are cleaned out I will
sort this out. I will almost certainly try to reverse this curvature
by hand and will probably glue the scribed piece to a styrene
substrate to which I have induced an opposite curvature and put
several pounds of weight on the whole thing for a few days.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@...

Re: Looking for an HO scale 5 ft wheelbase truck (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Guys;

Crown Custom Products had a brass 5' wheelbase 2F-F3 truck for sale at the recent PRRT&HS Meet, which I believe were overruns from their PRR flat car project, of which one was an F34. You might contact them.

As we all know, with brass trucks, buyer beware. I had to do some work on mine.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of gettheredesigns
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 10:54 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Looking for an HO scale 5 ft wheelbase truck



Brian, I believe Eastern Car works offered a 5' truck. Walthers Great Lakes ore cars have correct 5' trucks, but I don't know if they are offered separately.
Rick Aylsworth

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Brian" <Brian_Everett@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

I have an old HD flat model, which I am modifying to make into a PRR F34.

Looking at the PRR freight car diagrams, I noted that the trucks are a 5ft wheelbase (2F-F3).

Does anyone make a 5ft truck in HO scale?

Thanks
Brian Everett




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Re: Looking for an HO scale 5 ft wheelbase truck

gettheredesigns <rick@...>
 

Brian, I believe Eastern Car works offered a 5' truck. Walthers Great Lakes ore cars have correct 5' trucks, but I don't know if they are offered separately.
Rick Aylsworth

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian" <Brian_Everett@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

I have an old HD flat model, which I am modifying to make into a PRR F34.

Looking at the PRR freight car diagrams, I noted that the trucks are a 5ft wheelbase (2F-F3).

Does anyone make a 5ft truck in HO scale?

Thanks
Brian Everett

Re: Sorting out T&G Board Materials

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Ed" <nprybiged@...> wrote:

Dennis and All

In reference to your reference to the NP photos of the car siding.
This was the NP's standard Freight and Caboose siding material. An
interesting note, when a foreign Freight Car was damage by the
NP they, as all roads, were responsible for making all repairs or
reimbercing the distorted car's value to it's carrier. Now back to
making the repairers.

The NP would replace the damaged car siding with the NP siding.
Where upon delivery back to the carrier they would refuse it due
to the Material used, as it was not the correct siding. Much
correspondence took place.
That's interesting, Ed. That may mean that the Soo caboose I've seen a photo of with the corner repaired with beaded siding may just have been repaired by the NP. The two roads did have some joint operations on the Cuyuna Range.


To make this type of siding in HO scale would be very tricky but I
think it can be be done to build a Correct NP Wooden Box Car or
Caboose. One would have to use this type of siding to be of a
Contest quality, not to mention satisfying the "rivet counters".

I am making up this type siding in O Scale for a car that I'm going
to scratch build. Then I'm going to try to do the same in HO scale.

All this in hopes of trying to get Evergreen to come out with this
type of siding.

So, I ask the question, do any of you thing it is worth the while?
It's likely worthwhile in 1:48. Not having a drawing of the NP material but using the drawing linked by Greg Martin of the similar architectural material, I see the round bead is 3/16" wide. that would be .004" in O scale, and that should be doable.

Unfortunately, it would be .002" in HO, and likely get lost in the paint :-(

One could always make it oversize :-) Oh, I forgot, we try not to do that sort of thing now-a-days.

Dennis

Re: Sorting out T&G Board Materials

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed

I don't think you could extrude the extremely fine 'bead' on the NP siding in
exact HO scale. And on any RTR car the paint would be so thick you couldn't
see it anyway. If you want Evergreen to make something how about real "hat
section" strips? And styrene seam caps! That would be awesome. :-)

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed" <nprybiged@...>

All this in hopes of trying to get Evergreen to come out with this
type of siding.

So, I ask the question, do any of you thing it is worth the while?

Ed Ursem

Looking for an HO scale 5 ft wheelbase truck

Brian Everett
 

Hi Guys,

I have an old HD flat model, which I am modifying to make into a PRR F34.

Looking at the PRR freight car diagrams, I noted that the trucks are a 5ft wheelbase (2F-F3).

Does anyone make a 5ft truck in HO scale?

Thanks
Brian Everett

Re: Sorting out T&G Board Materials

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Well heck Ed,



If you want will only be satisfied by building the car correctly, then yes.
That is one advantage to building from scratch our own stuff; we don't have
to worry about the customer being satisfied.



BTW, I get the impression you are relatively familiar with the NP. Do you
have or know where I can find a record of cabooses disposed of during the
twenties and thirties? I'm looking for car that may have been sold the GB&W.
I'm basically interested in their numbers and dimensions.



Thanks in advance for any help you may be able to give.



John Hagen



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ed
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 2:05 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Sorting out T&G Board Materials





Dennis and All

--SNIP--

I am making up this type siding in O Scale for a car that I'm going
to scratch build. Then I'm going to try to do the same in HO scale.

All this in hopes of trying to get Evergreen to come out with this
type of siding.

So, I ask the question, do any of you thing it is worth the while?

Ed Ursem

Sorting out T&G Board Materials

Ed <nprybiged@...>
 

Dennis and All

In reference to your reference to the NP photos of the car siding.
This was the NP's standard Freight and Caboose siding material. An
interesting note, when a foreign Freight Car was damage by the
NP they, as all roads, were responsible for making all repairs or
reimbercing the distorted car's value to it's carrier. Now back to
making the repairers.

The NP would replace the damaged car siding with the NP siding.
Where upon delivery back to the carrier they would refuse it due
to the Material used, as it was not the correct siding. Much
correspondence took place.

To make this type of siding in HO scale would be very tricky but I
think it can be be done to build a Correct NP Wooden Box Car or
Caboose. One would have to use this type of siding to be of a
Contest quality, not to mention satisfying the "rivet counters".

I am making up this type siding in O Scale for a car that I'm going
to scratch build. Then I'm going to try to do the same in HO scale.

All this in hopes of trying to get Evergreen to come out with this
type of siding.

So, I ask the question, do any of you thing it is worth the while?

Ed Ursem

Re: Reefer Leases

Bill Welch
 

While PFE and SFRD where busy trying to get their cars returned, FGE was working equally hard NOT returning them after WWII and the end of Gov't control of refrigerator cars.

A theme for most of FGE's existence, certainly in our time period, was that FGE was "under capitalized" with the result they had to operate in a very frugal fashion. The main reason for this, from the perspective of some of the owner RR's executives at least, was the Southern Railway's chronic unwillingness to invest financially at a level commensurate with their utilization of FGE as calculated by their car loadings and mileage. In other words they did not carry their weight in terms of how much stock they owned as compared to the other owners. This is in correspondence as late as 1957 and went back to 1919 and 1920. At one point the PRR suggested de-solving the new company and forming a new company leaving the Southern out, so difficult were they finding SRR President Fairfax Harrison to work with. I am fairly certain the reason they became the owner of so many second hand cars was because they lacked to capital to build enough new cars.

As discussions among the RR's and negotiations with Armour proceeded to form a new company, the Southern seemed to drag their feet about participating, much to the chagrin of at least two Southern VPs who pleaded with Harrison that catastrophe would be the result if they did not participate as their RR had zero capacity. The SR was literally the last company to pay for their stock.

By 1948 FGE's fleet in particular was in sad shape. Some cars were called "Weavers" because of what they looked like as they were moving and were said to "bow and tip their hats" when they came to a stop. Further financial stress came from trucks that even before the war were making inroads into FGE loadings in the southeast but after the was began making deeper impact on loadings. In 1948 FGE and WFE began to rebuild their wood sheathed cars with steel body frames and along with BRE began building steel cars to replace the many obsolete cars on their respective rosters. To help them get through their car shortage periods, FGE abused their goodwill with the western companies.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@...

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Jun 12, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
Bob Chaparro wrote:

I'm trying to run down the accuracy of the following statement
concerning leases between refrigerator car lines:

Santa Fe also leased reefers from other lines, not only BAR, but
from FGE, WFEX, BREX, ART, and MDT.
Bob, in PFE's case, they had AGREEMENTS with other car owners
to share cars. There were not leases per se.
SFRD had agreements similar to PFE's which enabled them to use cars
from other reefer operators during peak traffic periods (and vice-
versa). However, as Tony says, those agreements were not leases.
Furthermore, the Santa Fe avoided using foreign-owner reefers
whenever possible because they were often in worse condition than
SFRD cars. Also, shippers complained about getting non-SFRD cars
because they were used to SFRD's 5' wide door openings (on cars with
hinged doors) and predictable interior dimensions. That's one of the
reasons why both SFRD and PFE fought a constant battle to get their
cars returned from eastern and southern RRs promptly; at least some
of those RRs had a tendency to "capture" PFE and SFRD cars and re-use
them because they were usually in better mechanical condition than
comparable MDT, ART, and FGEX/BREX/WFX reefers.

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: Paint date - Jerry Glow's EJ&E decal (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Tim;

Man, I second that! Those were very cool rebuilds, and a very classy scheme.

You are right. EJ&E did an all-orange with green lettering billboard scheme, as well as the all-green with orange lettering billboard, then a later (post-'60) billboard with 2 logos scheme, which I have seen on the 60xxx series rebuilds. I don't know what they were originally, but those are also very cool cars.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of @timboconnor
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 1:47 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Paint date - Jerry Glow's EJ&E decal




Wake me up when someone does decals for the B&LE repaints in the bright orange paint! :-) Come
to think of it, I'm pretty sure EJ&E when all-orange too at some point, but without the huge emblem.

Tim "Rip von Decals" O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Elden SAW Gatwood" <elden.j.gatwood@... <mailto:elden.j.gatwood%40usace.army.mil> >

I agree that it was either 1949 or 1950 that some of the box cars were first repainted in the dark green with orange lettering "map" scheme. I was told at one time that it coincided with receipt of the EJ&E's double-ended Baldwin transfer units (DR 6-6-2000 ?), which would have been in that timeframe.

I believe all the USRA rebuilds (7400 series) were eventually repainted in that scheme, I suspect between 1950 and '52, and they appeared to have kept their P&L for awhile, and at least well into the period in which they began to repaint rebuilds and new cars into the "over and under" green and orange billboard scheme, as you see photos of them in that scheme for a long time.

The 8' door 10'IH cars were painted in this scheme into '53 at least, as I have a photo of 61216 newly painted in 4/53. This is the car with the cut-down 8' Superior door and rolling pins "R"/3/4 ends with the skinny little top "R" rib. Really nice car, and I do not know why no one has done this guy in resin.

There are additional photos in the latest RPCyC, Bob's Photos, and an old issue of RMJ.

Be aware at least some appear to have black ends, and others green ends.

I am really glad Jerry decided to do this scheme, and eagerly await the next sets he does!

Elden Gatwood

There are several photos of EJ&E boxes painted with the paint scheme that Jerry's decal represents.

On pages 110 and 112 of Patrick Dorin's book The Elgin, Joliet and Eastern Railway (Signature Press - 2009) there are photos of EJ&E-7723 and EJ&E-60934 in that scheme. EJ&E-7723 is a USRA rebuild and shows a paint date of J-1-51. The other car, EJ&E-60934 shows what appears as a date of BOY 12-54 due to being reweighed.

Hope that this is of some assistance.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@... <mailto:tmolsen%40udel.edu> <mailto:tmolsen%40udel.edu>

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Re: Paint date - Jerry Glow's EJ&E decal

Tim O'Connor
 

Wake me up when someone does decals for the B&LE repaints in the bright orange paint! :-) Come
to think of it, I'm pretty sure EJ&E when all-orange too at some point, but without the huge emblem.

Tim "Rip von Decals" O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Elden SAW Gatwood" <elden.j.gatwood@...>

I agree that it was either 1949 or 1950 that some of the box cars were first repainted in the dark green with orange lettering "map" scheme. I was told at one time that it coincided with receipt of the EJ&E's double-ended Baldwin transfer units (DR 6-6-2000 ?), which would have been in that timeframe.

I believe all the USRA rebuilds (7400 series) were eventually repainted in that scheme, I suspect between 1950 and '52, and they appeared to have kept their P&L for awhile, and at least well into the period in which they began to repaint rebuilds and new cars into the "over and under" green and orange billboard scheme, as you see photos of them in that scheme for a long time.

The 8' door 10'IH cars were painted in this scheme into '53 at least, as I have a photo of 61216 newly painted in 4/53. This is the car with the cut-down 8' Superior door and rolling pins "R"/3/4 ends with the skinny little top "R" rib. Really nice car, and I do not know why no one has done this guy in resin.

There are additional photos in the latest RPCyC, Bob's Photos, and an old issue of RMJ.

Be aware at least some appear to have black ends, and others green ends.

I am really glad Jerry decided to do this scheme, and eagerly await the next sets he does!

Elden Gatwood

There are several photos of EJ&E boxes painted with the paint scheme that Jerry's decal represents.

On pages 110 and 112 of Patrick Dorin's book The Elgin, Joliet and Eastern Railway (Signature Press - 2009) there are photos of EJ&E-7723 and EJ&E-60934 in that scheme. EJ&E-7723 is a USRA rebuild and shows a paint date of J-1-51. The other car, EJ&E-60934 shows what appears as a date of BOY 12-54 due to being reweighed.

Hope that this is of some assistance.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@... <mailto:tmolsen%40udel.edu>

Re: Paint date - Jerry Glow's EJ&E decal (UNCLASSIFIED)

jerryglow2
 

This scheme intregued me from the first time I saw Clark's article in Prototype Railroad Modeling and I've had the same questions about dates. This thread has cleared a lot of that up.

I initially had the graphics as bitmaps and when my printer insisted on vector images almost dropped the set. Luckily I spent the time drawing it in vector as in one variation or another it's become among my best sellers - THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT!

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Guys;

I agree that it was either 1949 or 1950 that some of the box cars were first repainted in the dark green with orange lettering "map" scheme. I was told at one time that it coincided with receipt of the EJ&E's double-ended Baldwin transfer units (DR 6-6-2000 ?), which would have been in that timeframe.

I believe all the USRA rebuilds (7400 series) were eventually repainted in that scheme, I suspect between 1950 and '52, and they appeared to have kept their P&L for awhile, and at least well into the period in which they began to repaint rebuilds and new cars into the "over and under" green and orange billboard scheme, as you see photos of them in that scheme for a long time.

The 8' door 10'IH cars were painted in this scheme into '53 at least, as I have a photo of 61216 newly painted in 4/53. This is the car with the cut-down 8' Superior door and rolling pins "R"/3/4 ends with the skinny little top "R" rib. Really nice car, and I do not know why no one has done this guy in resin.

There are additional photos in the latest RPCyC, Bob's Photos, and an old issue of RMJ.

Be aware at least some appear to have black ends, and others green ends.

I am really glad Jerry decided to do this scheme, and eagerly await the next sets he does!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of tmolsen@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:43 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Paint date - Jerry Glow's EJ&E decal



List,

There are several photos of EJ&E boxes painted with the paint scheme that Jerry's decal represents.

On pages 110 and 112 of Patrick Dorin's book The Elgin, Joliet and Eastern Railway (Signature Press - 2009) there are photos of EJ&E-7723 and EJ&E-60934 in that scheme. EJ&E-7723 is a USRA rebuild and shows a paint date of J-1-51. The other car, EJ&E-60934 shows what appears as a date of BOY 12-54 due to being reweighed.

Hope that this is of some assistance.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@... <mailto:tmolsen%40udel.edu>



Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Re: Paint date - Jerry Glow's EJ&E decal (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Guys;

I agree that it was either 1949 or 1950 that some of the box cars were first repainted in the dark green with orange lettering "map" scheme. I was told at one time that it coincided with receipt of the EJ&E's double-ended Baldwin transfer units (DR 6-6-2000 ?), which would have been in that timeframe.

I believe all the USRA rebuilds (7400 series) were eventually repainted in that scheme, I suspect between 1950 and '52, and they appeared to have kept their P&L for awhile, and at least well into the period in which they began to repaint rebuilds and new cars into the "over and under" green and orange billboard scheme, as you see photos of them in that scheme for a long time.

The 8' door 10'IH cars were painted in this scheme into '53 at least, as I have a photo of 61216 newly painted in 4/53. This is the car with the cut-down 8' Superior door and rolling pins "R"/3/4 ends with the skinny little top "R" rib. Really nice car, and I do not know why no one has done this guy in resin.

There are additional photos in the latest RPCyC, Bob's Photos, and an old issue of RMJ.

Be aware at least some appear to have black ends, and others green ends.

I am really glad Jerry decided to do this scheme, and eagerly await the next sets he does!

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of tmolsen@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:43 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Paint date - Jerry Glow's EJ&E decal



List,

There are several photos of EJ&E boxes painted with the paint scheme that Jerry's decal represents.

On pages 110 and 112 of Patrick Dorin's book The Elgin, Joliet and Eastern Railway (Signature Press - 2009) there are photos of EJ&E-7723 and EJ&E-60934 in that scheme. EJ&E-7723 is a USRA rebuild and shows a paint date of J-1-51. The other car, EJ&E-60934 shows what appears as a date of BOY 12-54 due to being reweighed.

Hope that this is of some assistance.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
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CB&Q XM-28 B End Photos

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

I'm building four Sunshine XM-28 boxcar kits, and I haven't found a photo of
the hand brake ratchet and pawl or the brake stem foot and chain winder. The
only photo in the Sunshine PDS shows a three-quarters view of the left side
and A end. Does anyone have photos of the XM-28 B end that they would be
willing to share?



Nelson Moyer