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Re: Milwaukee 29000 series PS-1 combo door box car

Dave Sarther
 

Chad,

This sounds like a great project and as someone has already indicated a natural addition to the "Hill Lines" trifecta already available for modelers.

Later, Dave Sarther Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Chad <chadboas@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Jun 22, 2012 2:32 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Milwaukee 29000 series PS-1 combo door box car





Would there be any intrest in a mini kit to convert an Intermountain PS-1 8'door into a Milwaukee 29000's Combo 8' sliding, 7' plug door?
Chad Boas









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Re: Milwaukee 29000 series PS-1 combo door box car

jerryglow2
 

Chad "leaked" this to me a week ago so I did the artwork for decals if he proceeds. See: http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/Milw_combo.jpg

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals

--- In STMFC@..., "ealabhan0" <ealabhan0@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Chad Boaz asked: Would there be any interest in a mini kit to convert an Intermountain PS-1 8'door into a Milwaukee 29000's Combo 8' sliding, 7' plug door?

Folks, makes perfect sense to me - "completes the set" with the only Pacific Northwest 40ft combo door boxcar that hasn't already been done with a Boas mini-kit. MILW 29000-29499 were built 7-58; the first 400 came with IYSD, while the last 100 had 6P Superior doors. Far better to modify an IMRC or Kadee PS-1 rather than the old McKean(Sky Lim) double-door PS-1 - plus we could anticipate correct decals from Jerry Glow for a Boas mini-kit - win-win!
Dave Sieber, Reno NV


Re: Milwaukee 29000 series PS-1 combo door box car

 

Chad, Of course I am interested.
 
Rich Christie


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From: Chad <chadboas@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Milwaukee 29000 series PS-1 combo door box car



 

Would there be any intrest in a mini kit to convert an Intermountain PS-1 8'door into a Milwaukee 29000's Combo 8' sliding, 7' plug door?
Chad Boas




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Re: Milwaukee 29000 series PS-1 combo door box car

David Sieber
 

--- In STMFC@..., Chad Boaz asked: Would there be any interest in a mini kit to convert an Intermountain PS-1 8'door into a Milwaukee 29000's Combo 8' sliding, 7' plug door?

Folks, makes perfect sense to me - "completes the set" with the only Pacific Northwest 40ft combo door boxcar that hasn't already been done with a Boas mini-kit. MILW 29000-29499 were built 7-58; the first 400 came with IYSD, while the last 100 had 6P Superior doors. Far better to modify an IMRC or Kadee PS-1 rather than the old McKean(Sky Lim) double-door PS-1 - plus we could anticipate correct decals from Jerry Glow for a Boas mini-kit - win-win!
Dave Sieber, Reno NV


Milwaukee 29000 series PS-1 combo door box car

Chad Boas
 

Would there be any intrest in a mini kit to convert an Intermountain PS-1 8'door into a Milwaukee 29000's Combo 8' sliding, 7' plug door?
Chad Boas


FM 14, Southern and MP flats

Chad Boas
 

All,
I added underbody photos of the new flats to the flat car project photot section. Ready to be painted.
Chad Boas


Re: DETAIL ASSOCIATES STEPS

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill

They are brittle and will break if handled much. If some piece of material is gone, then I
replace them with new ones. If not, I try to glue them back together with CA. This usually
works but they're even more brittle than before. A coat of clear acrylic (like Future) applied
with a paint brush will help them stay intact.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "WILLIAM PARDIE" <PARDIEW001@...>

Years ago when Detail Associates came out with their line of delrin steps I began
using these on aplications where their steps matched the prototype. Their steps
provided a very delicate and good looking application. I have recently noticed,
however, that although the steps have not not flicked off that some have become
quite brittle and broken. Has anyone else noticed this and can you offer a practical
solution?

Thanks in advance.

Bill Pardie


DETAIL ASSOCIATES STEPS

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Years ago when Detail Associates came out with their line of delrin steps I began
using these on aplications where their steps matched the prototype. Their steps
provided a very delicate and good looking application. I have recently noticed,
however, that although the steps have not not flicked off that some have become
quite brittle and broken. Has anyone else noticed this and can you offer a practical
solution?

Thanks in advance.

Bill Pardie


Re: Z braces...

Tim O'Connor
 

Jack

Without a doubt, many steel shapes can be reproduced with etched metal that
is designed to be folded, which greatly increases it's stiffness -- just like full size
material. Plano, Railyard, Wrighttrak, and a number of others have produced
bendable/foldable etched parts that work very well. Someone (Tamiya?) makes
special pliers with perfectly straight edges designed for folding etchings.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Burgess" <jack@...>

The talk about needing scale Z braces made me wonder if they could be
produced with photo etching. Brass strip would provide better strength than
styrene and would be closer to scale thickness. They could be through-etched
to result in the proper width needed to fold the material into a Z shape.
One shallow etch on each side parallel with the long sides would allow the
folds to be done accurately. They could be cut to length prior to bending of
course.

It would be more difficult to attach brass Z braces to a styrene model
although they could be pinned with brass wire on the ends...

Just a thought...

Jack Burgess
Newark, CA


Z braces...

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Steve shared
<I was getting together some parts for building a CN cinder car, and
<wanted an improved way to fabricate the Z's on the sides and ends. Many
<(all?) of these cars were made using frames and components from 36'
<"Fowler"/Dominion steel-frame boxcars. Including the Z's.
<
<.010" thick stock for the part of the angle that meets the car side just
<looks heavy in HO compared with the real thing. I found myself taking
<the backing off two new razor blades, and inserting a spacer between
<them to cut strip of the appropriate width. Some 2-56 nuts and bolts
<hold the razor blades and spacers together.
<
<This "tool" should have worked well to cut .005" strip to width, but I
<found that the blades flexed enough to vary the width of the strip as I
<was cutting it along a straightedge.
<
<So .005" strip would be useful for making Z's, but I don't expect
<Evergreen to make the stuff for just my using a package or two.

The talk about needing scale Z braces made me wonder if they could be
produced with photo etching. Brass strip would provide better strength than
styrene and would be closer to scale thickness. They could be through-etched
to result in the proper width needed to fold the material into a Z shape.
One shallow etch on each side parallel with the long sides would allow the
folds to be done accurately. They could be cut to length prior to bending of
course.

It would be more difficult to attach brass Z braces to a styrene model
although they could be pinned with brass wire on the ends...

Just a thought...

Jack Burgess
Newark, CA


30 Days to St. Louis RPM 2012

golden1014
 

2012 ST. LOUIS RAILROAD PROTOTYPE MODELER'S (RPM) MEET
 
The SIXTH ANNUAL St. Louis RPM Meet will be held on Friday, July 27th and Saturday, July 28th at the Gateway Convention Center, One Gateway Drive, Collinsville, IL 62234.  Collinsville is 12 miles east of metro St. Louis on I-55/70.  Meet Hours: 9 AM to 9 PM both days.  Our latest flyers can be found at http://home.mindspring.com/~icg/rpm/stlrpm.pdf or just Google “St. Louis RPM” for more information.
 
The Heart of our event is YOUR MODELS! 
 
Bring your models, finished or in progress, for display and discussion.  All scales, gauges, and models from all eras are welcome; bring locomotives, structures, freight cars, dioramas, vehicles or other models. There are no contests. The purpose of the meet is to share techniques, learn from your fellow modelers, and meet people from St. Louis and around the U.S.  We had 1,000+ models on 45 full display tables at our last meet!
 
In addition to model displays, presentations by nationally-recognized modelers and historians are scheduled for both days. Historical Societies and select vendors will also be in attendance; live, hands-on weathering clinics will be presented.  Evening layout tours and operating sessions are scheduled.  All this in 10,000 sq. ft. at the professional Gateway Convention Center. 
 
Two Days! July 27th and 28th in Collinsville, IL
 
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- Traveling North on I-55/70: Take Collinsville Exit 11. At traffic light, turn left onto Highway 157/Bluff Road to Eastport Plaza Drive, turn Left. Continue to Gateway Drive, turn right. Gateway Center is located on your left.
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- Traveling East or West on I-64: Take Exit 9 and then drive North on Hwy 157, approximately 7 miles, to Eastport Plaza Drive which is located off Hwy. 157. Turn left on Eastport Plaza Drive, then right on Gateway Drive. Gateway Center is located on left. and then left onto Gateway Drive. Gateway Center is located on right.
 
Hours: 9:00 A.M. to 9:00 P.M both days.  Admission: $20.00 Fri & Sat, $15.00 Sat only.  Kids under 13 free with paid adult admission.  Vendor set-up at 7:15 AM Fri.  Sales end at 5:00 P.M. Sat.  This is a not-for-profit event.
 
CLINICS
Presentations will run from 9:30 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. both days.  Our featured speakers include:
Bob Harpe – Modeling Southern SD-45 3100L
The Dean of Diesel Modeling, Author, and Savannah RPM host presents cutting-edge diesel modeling, Southern style!
 
Roger Hinman – IC/NP Refrigerator Cars, 1909-1961
Roger examines the vast IC/NP refrigerator fleet from his forthcoming book—See  http://www.signaturepress.com/
 
Ed Hawkins – Non-Standard ARA Offset Hoppers
Our friend, author and RP Cyc. publisher describes prototype of the forthcoming Intermountain model.
 
Ryan Crawford – A Day on the C&IM
The co-author of "Chicago & Illinois Midland Railway in Color," compares one day on the C&IM in 1975 and 1989.  
 
Bill Schaumburg – Cars for the 5:15
Railroad Model Craftsman’s editor explores Midwestern commuter railroading in the transition era.
 
Mont Switzer – Favorite Freight Car Projects II
Longtime author and Monon modeler is back with more new modeling and exciting projects in HO.
 
David Lehlbach – Tangent Scale Models
Tangent Scale Models’ owner presents the products, business direction and prototypes of TSM’s model line.
 
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Dave explains layout planning, construction, detailing, and ops, and will open his layout to STL RPM attendees.
 
Tony Sissons – Scratchbuilding & Super-Detailing Turnouts and Track
The famous English modeler returns to St. Louis, explaining and demonstrating super-detailed track and turnout construction.
 
John Greedy – Where’s The Beef?
John describes the Hormel meat-packing industry, with tips on modeling a variety of meat refrigerator cars in HO.
 
Joe Collias – St. Louis in the 1940s and 1950s, In Color
The master photographer and author presents original color images of St. Louis railroading from the 40s & 50s.
 
HANDS-ON CLINICS
Dave Schroedle, fromProtoweathering.com, will present Simple Weathering Techniques with AIM Powders all day, both days!  Bring your own models or buy them at the meet to learn new finishing skills!
Jeremy St. Peterand his six-man crew from The Weathering Shop will demonstrate their amazing weathering techniques as seen on their website at http://theweatheringshop.com/.  Bring models to weather and finish!
Pull up a chair with Tony Sissons as he builds and teaches turnout construction as described in his clinic all day, both days! 
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Our biggest lineup ever!  70 tables of elite vendors: Bob’s Photos, Tangent Scale Models, Moloco, Plano, LokSound, ExactRail, Railflyer Models, Archer Fine Transfers, ProtoCraft, Rails Unlimited, Funaro & Camerlengo, ICG Custom Decals, Big Four Graphics, American Model Builders, Badger Airbrush, Mike Gruber Photos, Stan Rydarowicz Models, Proto 87 Stores, Des Plaines Hobbies, Joe Collias Photos, Q Connection, Mask Island Decals, Red Board Hobbies, John Fuller Photos, Netterfield Hobbies, Moon Dog Railcars, and more!
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The largest annual gathering of railroad historical societies in the U.S.  The New York Central, Wabash, Missouri Pacific, GM&O, Nickel Plate, Central of Georgia, Illinois Terminal, Terminal Railroad Association and C&NW societies will be on hand to aid your modeling. 
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NEW!  LAYOUT TOURS!
Tour and operate beautiful home layoutsby Bill Giese and John Schindler on Thursday (7:00 – 9:00 p.m.), and Dave Roeder and Mike Wise on Friday (7:30 – 10:00 p.m.)  Call or write for details on Thursday tours, or meet us at Bandana’s BBQ next to the Gateway Center (4 Commerce Drive, Collinsville, IL) for dinner at 5:30 p.m. and we’ll leave from there.  Friday tours leave from the RPM meet at 7:00 p.m.
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In addition to St. Louis RPM, St. Louis is also the home of the John W. Barriger National Railroad Library at the campus of the University of Missouri (http://www.umsl.edu/barriger/), the National Museum of Transportation (http://www.transportmuseumassociation.org/exhibits.html) and some of the best railfanning in the world.  Is the family coming too?  Check out area attractions at http://www.stlouisattractions.com/.
SEE YOU AT ST. LOUIS RPM!
Contact John Golden at Golden1014@... (812) 929-7181, Dan Kohlberg at paducah@... or Lonnie Bathurst at Bathurst@... (217) 556-0314 for meet info and layout tour reservations.  The Gateway Center Website is available at http://www.gatewaycenter.com/ for more information and directions. Gateway NMRA Division is at http://www.gatewaynmra.org/default.htm.
 
See you in St. Louis!
 
Signed,
 
Lonnie Bathurst
Daniel Kohlberg
John Golden

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Re: New Shapes to come

midrly <midrly@...>
 

I was getting together some parts for building a CN cinder car, and wanted an improved way to fabricate the Z's on the sides and ends. Many (all?) of these cars were made using frames and components from 36' "Fowler"/Dominion steel-frame boxcars. Including the Z's.

.010" thick stock for the part of the angle that meets the car side just looks heavy in HO compared with the real thing. I found myself taking the backing off two new razor blades, and inserting a spacer between them to cut strip of the appropriate width. Some 2-56 nuts and bolts hold the razor blades and spacers together.

This "tool" should have worked well to cut .005" strip to width, but I found that the blades flexed enough to vary the width of the strip as I was cutting it along a straightedge.

So .005" strip would be useful for making Z's, but I don't expect Evergreen to make the stuff for just my using a package or two.

As for styrene rail, many CN "Fowler"/Dominion 36' steel-frame boxcars and early 40' steel-frame boxcars used a length of rail (56- to 80-pound) as a vertical centre brace on the ends of these cars. Stafford Swain had used pieces of styrene approximating rail shape to model this, but a rust-coloured rail styrene strip would be very useful for this. And for other uses that I dare not mention under pain of a trip to Moderate Jail...

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., timboconnor@... wrote:


5 thous strip! What a Godsend that would be! Think trust plates, rib flanges, patch panels, etc.

Tim O'Connor


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed" <nprybiged@...>

And I'll echo Dennis Storzek's thoughts on smaller-section styrene strip, such as .010" square. Maybe some 5 thou strip...please??
Steve Lucas.


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Re: ADMIN: The thread on plastic rails is terminated

Ed <nprybiged@...>
 

OK Mike, I'll move on with a Thank You to ALL that gave your
in put to something New. I Consider is topic closed on the
STMFC List.

My Best Regards to All,
Ed Ursem

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

Since Gordon is set up with Daily Digest, we are assuming that he has not
seen the desist order regarding plastic guard rails so we let his message go
through. Others in violation of the termination order risk jail time. Hmmm.
getting a bit crowded down there...not where I'd want to spend any time...

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: New Shapes to come

Tim O'Connor
 

5 thous strip! What a Godsend that would be! Think trust plates, rib flanges, patch panels, etc.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed" <nprybiged@...>

And I'll echo Dennis Storzek's thoughts on smaller-section styrene strip, such as .010" square. Maybe some 5 thou strip...please??
Steve Lucas.


Re: New Shapes to come

Ed <nprybiged@...>
 

Steve

Wow you covered a lot
Thank you

Ed

--- In STMFC@..., "midrly" <midrly@...> wrote:

There are many possibilities for the use of styrene rail. Not only for D&H modellers of the steam era that will have CWR next the running rails to be put in track (did any other road use much CWR in the STMFC timeframe?).

Handlaid turnouts and bridge decks (both actually relevant to STMFC'ers) could finally have guardrails that would not reveal bare nickle silver tops after track cleaning. Some railway structures used old rail as structural steel components instead of I- or H-section beams, another advantage of styrene rail shapes for the modeller.

National Steel Car had an in-plant service gon that used light rail (I have a photo of this car), probably 80# or lighter, as the posts supporting the sides of the car. This car also used the lowest third portion of their NSC-1 ends. Tricky to build out of nickle-silver rail, but easy in styrene. Maybe some roads used rail for uprights in gons as well?

As for rail length, very common in our era were 33' rails in many railways' main tracks. They fit nicely in the 36' i.l. gons and flats used to transport rail from the mill to customer. 39' rail was coming into use, but 33' rails were still very common. I don't recall any 39' rail being in use before 1910. To add to the mix, some roads chopped 18" off each battered end of rails, producing 36', 30', and 27' rails in the process. So cutting what length you want out of 36" long styrene shapes would be best for the modeller. But I'd personally appreciate even 12" lengths of Code 70/55 rail from Evergreen.

But modelling various rail-built bumpers, parking lot curbs, etc, is best done with metal rail for durability. Errant elbows do a lot of damage on a layout.

And I'll echo Dennis Storzek's thoughts on smaller-section styrene strip, such as .010" square. Maybe some 5 thou strip...please??

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Ed" <nprybiged@> wrote:

We were talking about having Evergreen,or someone make some new
shape materials.

Well I'm going to dive off on the high board and hope someone filled
the pool.

How about making Styrene Rail, yes I said Rail, in code 100, 83 and
55. Think about it. How many times have you seen photos of the Right
of Way with, depending on the era, 38' sections or welded rail along
side of the track awaiting to be rerailed, or stacks of rail stored
in a freight yard.

This also opens up the posiblety of a welded rail train. Say 15 old
wooden side dump cars with the ends removed and one or two levels of
Rail. Now, I think, if you ahcor the rail in the middle it should
bend ok without derailing the cars.

So if we can but scale HO Tie plates and Rail Joiners in Styrene why
not Scale Rail. I know it can be done just look at the pieces of iron
work that Plastruct markets.

OK, how about your thoughts.

Ed Ursem


Re: New Shapes to come

Tim O'Connor
 

I'm confused. Why does styrene rail have to be in 3' lengths? Styrene is the easiest stuff in the world
to "weld" together into longer lengths -- Just like the prototype does with rail, as it turns out.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed" <nprybiged@...>

Jerry

Sorry I have to disagree with you. The Rail Train is just
the tip of the iceberg as to the usage of this product

Ed Ursem

I had the same situation when making a coil load of real soft iron wire. I made one wrap coils on the bottom layer and multiple wrap ones on top.
I just can't see any manufacturer making plastic rail esp in 3' lengths just for limited use like a rail train. We hobbiests love to suggest new products but lets get realistic unless you want to invest your life's savings.
Jerry Glow


Re: New Shapes to come

Ed <nprybiged@...>
 

Allen

Thanks for your input.
Ed

--- In STMFC@..., Alan Kilby <albyrno@...> wrote:

A would use it to fill isolating gaps cut in rails for appearance and to make even flow of rail,I would prefer white plastic to best match ns rail,it would also be useful for guardrails in complex turnouts with multiple guard rails to avoid possible shorts and excessive number of isolating gaps and power feeds
 Alan
 


________________________________
From: Brian Ehni <behni@...>
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] New Shapes to come



 

If you make them to CODE, they are scale immaterial. He's only asking for
three sizes.

Thanks!
--

Brian P. Ehni

On 6/20/12 2:02 PM, "ronald parisi" <mailto:ronald.parisi%40gmail.com> wrote:

Group:

I think that asking them to model in all 3 scales might be excessive. I
would definitely
buy it in HO scale.

Ron parisi

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Ed <mailto:nprybiged%40comcast.net> wrote:

**


All

I'm going to go to Evergreen and ask them if they would consider
marketing Styrene Rail in HO, O and N scale in codes 100,83 and 55
in packages of 6, in 24" or 36" in lenght.

So, to give them a feeling of what the modelers thing about
buying something like this, would you please let me know what
your thoughts are?

Thank you
Ed Ursem



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Re: New Shapes to come

Ed <nprybiged@...>
 

Jerry

Sorry I have to disagree with you. The Rail Train is just
the tip of the iceberg as to the usage of this product

Ed Ursem

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

I had the same situation when making a coil load of real soft iron wire. I made one wrap coils on the bottom layer and multiple wrap ones on top.

I just can't see any manufacturer making plastic rail esp in 3' lengths just for limited use like a rail train. We hobbiests love to suggest new products but lets get realistic unless you want to invest your life's savings.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@> wrote:

Jerry

One problem with real rail is WEIGHT. A gondola or flat that weighs
the NMRA recommended amount (or even more than that) becomes ridiculously
heavy with a full (realistic) load of nickel silver rail.

I think Sunshine made a resin rail load, for example.

Tim O'



At 6/20/2012 05:09 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
I don't understand the need for it - what's wrong with real rail?
Jerry Glow


new decals this week

jerryglow2
 

Along with the upgraded GN combo door set, I've done a CNJ PS-2 which is
an offshoot of the question I posed a week or so ago. I will release a
set for those cars pending further information.
See: http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/CNJ_PS-2.jpg

If I haven't previously mentioned it, decals for a MP 45' flat car (Chad
Boas casting) is also available.
See: http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/MP_45ft_flat.jpg

--
Jerry Glow
The Villages FL
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals


improved GN combo door set

jerryglow2
 

At Chad's request and the help of Richard Yaremko, I've added door
operating instructions for the plug door of the GN combo door car. It is
not present on all cars and was not on the one I used for my original
artwork. Any previous purchasers of the set may get a supplement with
the data by sending a request with a self addressed stamped envelope.
Future sets will include it.
See: http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/samples/GN_door.jpg

--
Jerry Glow
The Villages FL
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals

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