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Re: Boats on Flats
al_brown03
When I first saw the pictures in the Florida Photographic Collection (which date from 1945), of a boat loaded onto a PRR F22 gun flat, I knew I had to model that cribbing. So I did: and the flatcar and boat as well. Pending approval, some pictures have been uploaded to an album in the photos section, entitled "Parker's Boat".
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The flatcar is an F&C #7011 PRR F22 flat, with an AMB #9000 wood deck. I haven't found a source of the correct 100-ton PRR 2F-F2 trucks, so I used Kadee 70-ton Barber S-2s, which have roughly the right "Bettendorf" sideframe shape and approach the right heft. The cradle was built from Northeastern scale lumber. Lumber sizes were eyeballed from the prototype photos. Contours of the three saddles were determined by measuring the boat hull with a contour gauge. The aft-most saddle had to be notched beyond what's shown, to clear the propeller shafts. I chose the project because of the cribbing, but most of the modeling time went into the boat! I know very little about power boats; I'm told the 1:1 load is a Chris Craft, but I don't know how one knows. The model boat doesn't exactly match it: the cabin is a foot or two farther aft. The model is an Athearn boat, shortened to 25'; the cockpit roof, rudder, exhaust pipes, and scupper hoods were made from styrene. Cleats, propellers, ship's wheel, and seat stanchion are from Sea Port Models; horn and loud hailers are Herpa truck horns. The cockpit windows are clear styrene, secured with Micro Kristal Klear. The windshield wipers are from Detail Associates. In a train this would be hauled with the boat pointed forward, so that (1) junk wouldn't blow into the cockpit, and (2) the cockpit roof wouldn't blow off. I'm grateful to (alphabetically) Marty Megregiam, Tom Meyer, Mark Novak, and Bruce Smith for helpful discussions. Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: A C&BT Shops Fe-26 lives...finally
Charles Hostetler <cesicjh@...>
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Someone was curious as to why this Hey Mike - I'm curious about whether it was sent TO Buford or THROUGH Buford? Regards, Charles Hostetler
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Re: A C&BT Shops Fe-26 lives...finally
jerryglow2
Did you notice how fast those photos were approved for listing? <g>
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Jerry Glow
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Re: Help with Proto
jerryglow2
Unfortunately no. Those cars have often been "doners" for other projects. About the only chance is finding someone who used other doors in building that kit like the Sunshine ones for a Wabash car
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Jerry Glow
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Help with Proto
roblmclear <rob.mclear3@...>
Hi guys
I have recently been stung on e-bay, my bad, I purchased two Life Like Proto 2000 Automobile boxcars in the UP scheme yellow/white lettering and unfortunately I didn't check the contents all that well. I now find that all of the doors are missing from both kits. Is there anyone out there who knows what replacements might be appropriate. I have been in touch with Walthers but they don't have any replacement parts any longer for these kits. Any help would be appreciated. Regards Rob McLear Kingaroy Australia.
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Junction 2 rule?
np328
While looking through prototype car movement files the last couple of days, a term "junction 2 rule" pops up from time to time. Is anyone out there familiar with this term? Jim Dick - St. Paul
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Re: A C&BT Shops Fe-26 lives...finally
Schuyler Larrabee asks:
"Ah, Mike? You ARE going to paint and weather the trucks and wheels, right? Well...the wheels ARE painted...although I have to admit that the backs of the wheels have not been painted...sigh. The trucks have been weathered but I'll probably add some Rail Tie Brown to them. Mike Brock...wonder where the chalk is?
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Re: A C&BT Shops Fe-26 lives...finally
Pierre Oliver says:
"But how does it stay on that killer grade? :-)" Well...if you saw all the gunk on those wheels you probably wouldn't ask that question. Mike
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Re: A C&BT Shops Fe-26 lives...finally
Schuyler Larrabee
Ah, Mike? You ARE going to paint and weather the trucks and wheels, right?
Nice model, tho. Schuyler From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Pierre Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:01 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: A C&BT Shops Fe-26 lives...finally Mike, Nice looking car after all. But how does it stay on that killer grade? :-) Pierre Oliver --- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote: kits and/or parts such as Kadee running board, A line steps, ladders fromunknown sources, grabs from various manufacturers, brake system parts from Tichy,that I may have followed the example of quite a few rr's during the 30's/40'sby claiming that a car or engine was repaired or modified when actually itAnyhow, this project should have been easy...right? Wrong. The holes didn't lineup correctly for the replacing parts and, of course, there was the problem of attaching plastic to non plastic. I had to fill quite a few holes. Thencomplete the project...thank goodness for weathering...although I just realized I car was sent to Buford, WY.in the photo section. Oh...if you can come up with the number of Archerrivets on the car, you get a Get Out of Jail Free card.
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Re: A C&BT Shops Fe-26 lives...finally
Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
Mike,
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Nice looking car after all. But how does it stay on that killer grade? :-) Pierre Oliver
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A C&BT Shops Fe-26 lives...finally
Having a C&BT Shops ATSF Fe-26 for quite a few yrs in its original box, I decided that, given the acceptable body of the kit...sans the over scale parts including the running board...I would simply use parts from other kits and/or parts such as Kadee running board, A line steps, ladders from unknown sources, grabs from various manufacturers, brake system parts from Tichy, etc. etc. etc. To cap it off I added Archer rivets...particularly to the side sills. I even used Accurail trucks and code 88 wheels. It appears that I may have followed the example of quite a few rr's during the 30's/40's by claiming that a car or engine was repaired or modified when actually it contained very little of the original. Saved them taxes apparently. Anyhow, this project should have been easy...right? Wrong. The holes didn't line up correctly for the replacing parts and, of course, there was the problem of attaching plastic to non plastic. I had to fill quite a few holes. Then there was the cost of my therapist to consider... Any idea how many used parts from other kits I examined? Anyhow, regardless, I managed to complete the project...thank goodness for weathering...although I just realized I have applied no chalk marks. I assume that there should at least be a question mark somewhere indicating that someone was curious as to why this car was sent to Buford, WY.
Nevertheless, I have loaded 4 photos of the car into the album ATSF Fe-26 in the photo section. Oh...if you can come up with the number of Archer rivets on the car, you get a Get Out of Jail Free card. Mike Brock
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Re: Duryea underframe
mopacfirst
I don't see those on the Tangent site. Am I missing something?
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The link takes me to what should be the right page. Ron Merrick
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Re: Speedwitch KC105 Wabash boxcar ends
mopacfirst
I had forgotten (or never realized) that Ted did different versions of this car. I have two of what's called KC105.1 (just marked KC105 on the box), and would have gladly had one of the KC105.3 instead.
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BTW, some years ago I built a couple of MoPac cars, which also have that long bolster-to-bolster sidesill, using the IM and some styrene for the sills. Look pretty good, I think, but I'll grant you I hate that IM floor. It's not even the right height and I've done two or three different things to correct the dozen or so IM undecs I have consumed so far. But that horrible underframe is under the 10'0 six-panel car too, so I've gotten used to butchery. Ron Merrick
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ICC "Perishable Freight Investigation" requested by the USRA
Bill Welch
Thanks to some information kindly sent to me by the very generous Dan
Holbrook, I learned that the USRA requested the "advice, assistance and co-operation of the Interstate Commerce Commission" in an "investigation [of]...a consolidated tariff which the United States Railroad Administration has printed, entitled 'Perishable Protective Tariff No. 1,' containing rules, regulations and charges applicable to the handling and protection of perishable freight of all kinds, which the Railroad Administration wishes to make effective throughout the country." Intrigued I googled "Perishable Freight Investigation" and found in "Google Books" the "Quarterly Digest of Decisions Under the Interstate Commerce Act 1921" that contains what is apparentely the results of their "investigation." This volume can be downloaded. Here is the link: http://books.google.com/books/download/ Quarterly_digest_of_decisions_under_the.pdf? id=4vw8AAAAYAAJ&hl=en&capid=AFLRE710koaaOCUpjnqDaRB86C86OvzoQMLC5ramdzr4 vCXh-vfSwO8LwLh_m8DNiFOKX- jjnuN3F7_JG23KucgPOLXcfFp0Qw&continue=http://books.google.com/books/ download/Quarterly_digest_of_decisions_under_the.pdf%3Fid% 3D4vw8AAAAYAAJ%26output%3Dpdf%26hl%3Den For those interested, a quick run through yielded several pages as follows related to the ICC's "Perishable Freight Investigation". I probably missed some references. PDF page 24-25: Actual page 15-16 PDF page 57: Actual page 48 PDF page 64: Actual page 55 PDF page 66: Actual page 57 PDF page 71-72: Actual page 62-63 PDF page 78: Actual page 69--PDF page 81: Actual page 72 PDF page 83: Actual page 74--PDF page 86: Actual page 77 PDF page 92: Actual page 83--PDF page 99: Actual page 90 PDF page 107: Actual page 98 PDF page 109: Actual page 100 PDF page 111-112: Actual page 102-103 PDF page 116: Actual page 107 I don't pretend to understand much of this and will be counting on the likes of Bill McCoy, Jerry Stewart, Greg Martin, and Dan to help me understand the language and meaning of many of the rules. Bill Welch 2225 Nursery Road; #20-104 Clearwater, FL 33764-7622 727-470-9930 fgexbill@...
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Re: Speedwitch KC105 Wabash boxcar ends
David Sieber
--- In STMFC@..., Ryan Reed wrote:
Regarding these Speedwitch/Branchline Wabash 1942 AAR boxcar kits, does anyone know why Ted included resin ends? Is there something different from the usual 4/4 ends on a Branchline or Intermountain kit? The kit also had resin 7 panel Superior doors. I'd like to do a few of those Wabash boxcars from Intermountains (scratching the sills myself out of Evergreen) but I'm concerned that I'm missing something with the ends... Any pointers?Ryan, Ted did multiple variations of Wabash 10ft6in IH boxcars with Decatur shops' bolster-to-bolster sills; all kits used Branchline bodies with Branchline rectangular panel roofs. Two series of wartime WAB modified 1937 AAR ("1942") boxcars are directly modelable with Intermountain's kit - but then, as Tim noted, the underframe and especially the roof are a bit funky. If you go with IMRC, suggest you at least replace their roof with either Red Caboose's or Branchline's rectangular panel roof. Speedwitch kits are: - KC105.1 Wabash Postwar AAR Box Car - models WAB 88000-88199 and 88700-89299, blt 1947-48; includes resin 4/4 postwar early (rolling pin) Improved Dreadnaught ends without poling pocket tabs, Superior 7-panel doors, and long sills. - KC105.2 Ann Arbor Postwar AAR Box Car - models AA 69000-68049 blt 5-47; includes same resin parts except prewar Youngstown Steel Doors. - KC-105.3 Wabash Modified 1937 AAR Box Car - models WAB 86000-86874 blt 1942 (also could be used for NJI&I 4100-4149 (1944) if you can find decals); includes resin 5/5 Dreadnaught ends, Sup 7P doors, and long sills. Hope this helps, Dave Sieber, Reno NV
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Re: Speedwitch KC105 Wabash boxcar ends
Ryan
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Branchline did 4 ends I think -- DESPATCH, ACF (aka Dartnot), R+3/4 improved dreadnaught, and a 4/4 dreadnaught. However, there are actually MULTIPLE prototype versions of each of the latter two ends -- I know Intermountain produced a different version than Branchline so you can correctly model some prototypes that you can't do correctly with Branchline's kit - and vice versa. (This included some Canadian cars, for example.) Whatever end Ted put in the kit, it's probably a question of being the perfect end for that combination of car body, roof, ends and underframe. Tim O'Connor
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From: "rreed_eagle" <twogreyhounds@...> Well, 1942 standard design with 4/4 ends. I thought that the Branchline kit came with 4/4 ends, but it's been a while since I built one so maybe not. Maybe that's why the Speedwitch kit had resin ends. With the IM floor, isn't it okay for 6' door cars but not for 7' or 8' doors? Maybe I'll just use Branchline kits and if need be use IM 4/4 ends. Ryan Reed
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Re: Speedwitch KC105 Wabash boxcar ends
Benjamin Hom
Ryan Reed wrote:
"Well, 1942 standard design with 4/4 ends. I thought that the Branchline kit came with 4/4 ends, but it's been a while since I built one so maybe not. Maybe that's why the Speedwitch kit had resin ends. With the IM floor, isn't it okay for 6' door cars but not for 7' or 8' doors? Maybe I'll just use Branchline kits and if need be use IM 4/4 ends." Ryan, unless you need to have this kit done tomorrow, I'd advise you to wait until the real Wabash experts (Chet French, etc.) or real experts (Richard Hendrickson) weigh in as you've gotten nothing but a bunch of maybes and speculation. Also, have you tried e-mailing Ted off-list? Ben Hom
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Re: Speedwitch KC105 Wabash boxcar ends
Ryan Reed
What is the basis for the kit -- Branchline or Intermountain car body? Well, 1942 standard design with 4/4 ends. I thought that the Branchline kit came with 4/4 ends, but it's been a while since I built one so maybe not. Maybe that's why the Speedwitch kit had resin ends. With the IM floor, isn't it okay for 6' door cars but not for 7' or 8' doors? Maybe I'll just use Branchline kits and if need be use IM 4/4 ends. Ryan Reed
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Re: Speedwitch KC105 Wabash boxcar ends
Paul Lyons
Not sure I understand the question. The base kit is Branchline and thus does not have the correct end ends.
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Paul Lyons Laguna Niguel, CA
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From: timboconnor <timboconnor@...> To: STMFC <STMFC@...> Sent: Mon, Jun 25, 2012 11:59 am Subject: Re: [STMFC] Speedwitch KC105 Wabash boxcar ends Ryan What is the basis for the kit -- Branchline or Intermountain car body? A 1942 era AAR 10'6" box car would have 5/5 dreadnaught ends. Is that what comes with the kit? The Intermountain 10'6" 1940 era kits come with a really funky roof, but they do have 5/5 ends. A Branchline 10'6" postwar era kit comes with a good rectangular panel roof, but does not have 5/5 ends. I think the Intermountain 10'6" 1940 era body has a funky floor (incorrect # and/or placement of stringers). Seems like something that would make a difference to Ted... Tim O'Connor ----- Original Message ----- From: "rreed_eagle" <twogreyhounds@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:28:12 PM Subject: [STMFC] Speedwitch KC105 Wabash boxcar ends Regarding these Speedwitch/Branchline Wabash 1942 AAR boxcar kits, does anyone know why Ted included resin ends? Is there something different from the usual 4/4 ends on a Branchline or Intermountain kit? The kit also had resin 7 panel Superior doors. I'd like to do a few of those Wabash boxcars from Intermountains (scratching the sills myself out of Evergreen) but I'm concerned that I'm missing something with the ends... Any pointers? Ryan Reed [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Speedwitch KC105 Wabash boxcar ends
Ryan
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What is the basis for the kit -- Branchline or Intermountain car body? A 1942 era AAR 10'6" box car would have 5/5 dreadnaught ends. Is that what comes with the kit? The Intermountain 10'6" 1940 era kits come with a really funky roof, but they do have 5/5 ends. A Branchline 10'6" postwar era kit comes with a good rectangular panel roof, but does not have 5/5 ends. I think the Intermountain 10'6" 1940 era body has a funky floor (incorrect # and/or placement of stringers). Seems like something that would make a difference to Ted... Tim O'Connor
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From: "rreed_eagle" <twogreyhounds@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:28:12 PM Subject: [STMFC] Speedwitch KC105 Wabash boxcar ends Regarding these Speedwitch/Branchline Wabash 1942 AAR boxcar kits, does anyone know why Ted included resin ends? Is there something different from the usual 4/4 ends on a Branchline or Intermountain kit? The kit also had resin 7 panel Superior doors. I'd like to do a few of those Wabash boxcars from Intermountains (scratching the sills myself out of Evergreen) but I'm concerned that I'm missing something with the ends... Any pointers? Ryan Reed
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