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Advice Regarding Best Adhesives

Dave Sarther
 

STMFC Members,

I would like to bond some flat pieces of .030 Evergreen styrene to a smooth flat brass surface. Any recommendations? Best practice to prepare brass and styrene surfaces for a good secure, long lasting bond?

I would also like to bond some flat pieces of .030 laser cut wood to a smooth flat brass surface. Any recommendations? Best practice to prepare brass and wood surfaces for good secure long lasting bond?

I attempted a test to see if ACC would hold in these situations. I ACC'd the materials in place and allowed to dry for 12 hours. Then I tried to see how easy it would be to separate the styrene and wood from the brass surface. In both cases they just popped right off the brass surface after a bit of pressure was applied.

Thanks in advance, Dave Sarther Tucson, AZ


Lumber Loads on Flat Cars and in Box Cars

Jim Betz
 

Hi,

At the BAPM meet there were some excellent cars showing lumber
loads that were clearly done using "whatever board was next".
One end of the stack was 'flush' (the end nearest the flat car end)
and the other end was exceptionally irregular (there were two
stacks on each car - so the irregular ends faced each other.)

Like most of you I've been going to hardware/lumber stores for
several decades and at those facilities the lumber is sorted by
all three dimensions - as in you see several stacks of 2x4s and
the 8-footers are with the 8-footers and the 10's with the 10's, etc.
And, similarly, most of the lumber loads on/in RR cars that I've
seen were done the same way. And I always thought that the lumber
produced in the mills was sorted by all 3 dimensions duirng the
process of cutting the logs up into boards.
I also know that when the log is cut that you don't end up with
all of the same sizes and lengths coming out of the log at the
same time. And each log being processed by the mill can be of
a different length from the one before/after it. Modern mills
all sort the output by its dimension before it is ever shipped.

So what I'm wondering about is "when did the practice of shipping
random lengths phase out"? And the related question is "was
there a time when -most- lumber was shipped in relatively random
lengths"? And lastly, when lumber was shipped in this type of
stack ... would the other two dimensions be the same (2x8s with
2x8s, etc.)?
There must be someone on this list who worked at a lumber
yard and had the task of sorting the lumber before it was
sold ... when did you do that and do you know when that kind
of work became less likely at the retail/wholesale facilities?

****

Finally - lumber was loaded "by the stick" into box cars,
then later by fork lifts (into box cars), and
finally it was 'wrapped' (in shed packs). Did
these changes 'follow' the practices for flat cars?

- Jim

P.S. My first guess is that the practice of using "shed packs"
was when the dimensions of the lumber shipped started to
be 'grouped' rather than random. That makes it "just
after the cut off date of this list" ... right? But my
experience/memories make me think it was actually quite
a bit earlier.


Re: ICC "Perishable Freight Investigation" requested by the USRA

Bill Welch
 

Greg and anyone else, try this:

http://books.google.com/books/about/Quarterly_digest_of_decisions_under_the.html?id=4vw8AAAAYAAJ

Under the downward triangle on the upper right side, there is a drop down menu that will allow you to download the document. The information is in the first quarterly report.

Here is a revised index I developed for the pages related to the ICC investigation of the Perishable Protective Tariff.

PDF page 24-25: Actual page 15-16
PDF page 57-59: Actual page 48-50
PDF page 63-64: Actual page 54-55
PDF page 66: Actual page 57
PDF page 71-72: Actual page 62-63
PDF page 78-81: Actual page 69-72
PDF page 83-86: Actual page 74-77
PDF page 92-99: Actual page 83-90
PDF page 107: Actual page 98
PDF page 109: Actual page 100
PDF page 111-112: Actual page 102-103
PDF page 116-177: Actual page 107-108

--- In STMFC@..., tgregmrtn@... wrote:

Can someone create a tiny link for this download, I can get it to work ...

Thanks,
Greg Martin


Re: Help with Proto

roblmclear <rob.mclear3@...>
 

Jerry you must be some sort of physic, Pierre Oliver got in touch with me off list and was doing exactly what you said and has sent me a bunch of stuff to fix them up. Thanks to all who responded.

Rob McLear
Kingaroy Australia.

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

Unfortunately no. Those cars have often been "doners" for other projects. About the only chance is finding someone who used other doors in building that kit like the Sunshine ones for a Wabash car

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "roblmclear" <rob.mclear3@> wrote:

Hi guys

I have recently been stung on e-bay, my bad, I purchased two Life Like Proto 2000 Automobile boxcars in the UP scheme yellow/white lettering and unfortunately I didn't check the contents all that well. I now find that all of the doors are missing from both kits. Is there anyone out there who knows what replacements might be appropriate. I have been in touch with Walthers but they don't have any replacement parts any longer for these kits. Any help would be appreciated.

Regards
Rob McLear
Kingaroy Australia.


Re: ICC "Perishable Freight Investigation" requested by the USRA

Greg Martin
 

Can someone create a tiny link for this download, I can get it to work ...

Thanks,
Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 6/25/2012 2:29:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
fgexbill@... writes:




Thanks to some information kindly sent to me by the very generous Dan
Holbrook, I learned that the USRA requested the "advice, assistance
and co-operation of the Interstate Commerce Commission" in an
"investigation [of]...a consolidated tariff which the United States
Railroad Administration has printed, entitled 'Perishable Protective
Tariff No. 1,' containing rules, regulations and charges applicable
to the handling and protection of perishable freight of all kinds,
which the Railroad Administration wishes to make effective throughout
the country."

Intrigued I googled "Perishable Freight Investigation" and found in
"Google Books" the "Quarterly Digest of Decisions Under the
Interstate Commerce Act 1921" that contains what is apparentely the
results of their "investigation." This volume can be downloaded. Here
is the link:

_http://books.google.com/books/download/_
(http://books.google.com/books/download/)
Quarterly_digest_of_decisions_under_the.pdf?
id=4vw8AAAAYAAJ&hl=en&capid=AFLRE710koaaOCUpjnqDaRB86C86OvzoQMLC5ramdzr4
vCXh-vfSwO8LwLh_m8DNiFOKX-
jjnuN3F7_JG23KucgPOLXcfFp0Qw&continue=_http://books.google.com/books/_
(http://books.google.com/books/)
download/Quarterly_digest_of_decisions_under_the.pdf%3Fid%
3D4vw8AAAAYAAJ%26output%3Dpdf%26hl%3Den

For those interested, a quick run through yielded several pages as
follows related to the ICC's "Perishable Freight Investigation". I
probably missed some references.

PDF page 24-25: Actual page 15-16
PDF page 57: Actual page 48
PDF page 64: Actual page 55
PDF page 66: Actual page 57
PDF page 71-72: Actual page 62-63
PDF page 78: Actual page 69--PDF page 81: Actual page 72
PDF page 83: Actual page 74--PDF page 86: Actual page 77
PDF page 92: Actual page 83--PDF page 99: Actual page 90
PDF page 107: Actual page 98
PDF page 109: Actual page 100
PDF page 111-112: Actual page 102-103
PDF page 116: Actual page 107

I don't pretend to understand much of this and will be counting on
the likes of Bill McCoy, Jerry Stewart, Greg Martin, and Dan to help
me understand the language and meaning of many of the rules.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
_fgexbill@... (mailto:fgexbill@...)

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Richard H. Burn

lloyd keyser
 

I have tried for years to locate Richard to return his slides. Does anyone know his where abouts? Thanks


Re: Boats on Flats

al_brown03
 

Apologies: mis-spelled "Megregian".

AL B.

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

When I first saw the pictures in the Florida Photographic Collection (which date from 1945), of a boat loaded onto a PRR F22 gun flat, I knew I had to model that cribbing. So I did: and the flatcar and boat as well. Pending approval, some pictures have been uploaded to an album in the photos section, entitled "Parker's Boat".

The flatcar is an F&C #7011 PRR F22 flat, with an AMB #9000 wood deck. I haven't found a source of the correct 100-ton PRR 2F-F2 trucks, so I used Kadee 70-ton Barber S-2s, which have roughly the right "Bettendorf" sideframe shape and approach the right heft.

The cradle was built from Northeastern scale lumber. Lumber sizes were eyeballed from the prototype photos. Contours of the three saddles were determined by measuring the boat hull with a contour gauge. The aft-most saddle had to be notched beyond what's shown, to clear the propeller shafts.

I chose the project because of the cribbing, but most of the modeling time went into the boat! I know very little about power boats; I'm told the 1:1 load is a Chris Craft, but I don't know how one knows. The model boat doesn't exactly match it: the cabin is a foot or two farther aft. The model is an Athearn boat, shortened to 25'; the cockpit roof, rudder, exhaust pipes, and scupper hoods were made from styrene. Cleats, propellers, ship's wheel, and seat stanchion are from Sea Port Models; horn and loud hailers are Herpa truck horns. The cockpit windows are clear styrene, secured with Micro Kristal Klear. The windshield wipers are from Detail Associates.

In a train this would be hauled with the boat pointed forward, so that (1) junk wouldn't blow into the cockpit, and (2) the cockpit roof wouldn't blow off.

I'm grateful to (alphabetically) Marty Megregiam, Tom Meyer, Mark Novak, and Bruce Smith for helpful discussions.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@> wrote:

In the Florida Photographic collection, search "Parker's Boat". I don't know what make of boat is shown, but I'm currently building the flatcar.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@> wrote:

Kevin Sprayberry wrote:
Here is a question for you guys. Do any of you guys happen to know
if Cris Craft shipped their boats by rail? I thoought I had seen
pics somewhere of some wood boats loaded ob flatcars but I can't
remember. I thought that since I model in 1/8th scale that a wooden
Cris Craft would look great loaded.
I don't know about Chris Craft specifically, but certainly
cabin cruisers were often shipped that way. There is a photo of one
such, on an SP flat car, in my book on SP flat cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Boats on Flats

water.kresse@...
 

They shipped them by rail in regular post-WWII 50-ton and 70-ton wooden deck flat cars along the Lake Michigan shoreline from Grand Rapids down toward New Buffalo to the east-west routes in the 1950s.  I can send the overhead image direct off line.


Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----


From: "al_brown03" <abrown@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:15:13 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Boats on Flats

When I first saw the pictures in the Florida Photographic Collection (which date from 1945), of a boat loaded onto a PRR F22 gun flat, I knew I had to model that cribbing. So I did: and the flatcar and boat as well. Pending approval, some pictures have been uploaded to an album in the photos section, entitled "Parker's Boat".

The flatcar is an F&C #7011 PRR F22 flat, with an AMB #9000 wood deck. I haven't found a source of the correct 100-ton PRR 2F-F2 trucks, so I used Kadee 70-ton Barber S-2s, which have roughly the right "Bettendorf" sideframe shape and approach the right heft.  

The cradle was built from Northeastern scale lumber. Lumber sizes were eyeballed from the prototype photos. Contours of the three saddles were determined by measuring the boat hull with a contour gauge. The aft-most saddle had to be notched beyond what's shown, to clear the propeller shafts.

I chose the project because of the cribbing, but most of the modeling time went into the boat! I know very little about power boats; I'm told the 1:1 load is a Chris Craft, but I don't know how one knows. The model boat doesn't exactly match it: the cabin is a foot or two farther aft. The model is an Athearn boat, shortened to 25'; the cockpit roof, rudder, exhaust pipes, and scupper hoods were made from styrene. Cleats, propellers, ship's wheel, and seat stanchion are from Sea Port Models; horn and loud hailers are Herpa truck horns. The cockpit windows are clear styrene, secured with Micro Kristal Klear. The windshield wipers are from Detail Associates.

In a train this would be hauled with the boat pointed forward, so that (1) junk wouldn't blow into the cockpit, and (2) the cockpit roof wouldn't blow off.

I'm grateful to (alphabetically) Marty Megregiam, Tom Meyer, Mark Novak, and Bruce Smith for helpful discussions.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

In the Florida Photographic collection, search "Parker's Boat". I don't know what make of boat is shown, but I'm currently building the flatcar.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@> wrote:

Kevin Sprayberry wrote:
Here is a question for you guys.  Do any of you guys happen to know  
if Cris Craft shipped their boats by rail?  I thoought I had seen  
pics somewhere of some wood boats loaded ob flatcars but I can't  
remember.  I thought that since I model in 1/8th scale that a wooden  
Cris Craft would look great loaded.
       I don't know about Chris Craft specifically, but certainly  
cabin cruisers were often shipped that way. There is a photo of one  
such, on an SP flat car, in my book on SP flat cars.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: BAPM 2012 Report

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

This was a really good meet. I've posted some comments and photos on my blog, in two parts, including links to more extensive photo coverage than mine. If you're interested, here are the links:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/06/bapm-bay-area-prototype-modelers.html

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/06/bapm-bay-area-prototype-modelers-2.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


(No subject)

loco7mo@yahoo.com <loco7mo@...>
 


Re: Help with Proto

O Fenton Wells
 

How many doors do you need? I used several of these to kitbash Southern 50
footers. I'm not sure I have any extra hardware for the doors, ie. tack
boards etc.
Fenton Wells


On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:48 AM, roblmclear <rob.mclear3@...> wrote:

**


Hi guys

I have recently been stung on e-bay, my bad, I purchased two Life Like
Proto 2000 Automobile boxcars in the UP scheme yellow/white lettering and
unfortunately I didn't check the contents all that well. I now find that
all of the doors are missing from both kits. Is there anyone out there who
knows what replacements might be appropriate. I have been in touch with
Walthers but they don't have any replacement parts any longer for these
kits. Any help would be appreciated.

Regards
Rob McLear
Kingaroy Australia.




--
Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
srrfan1401@...


Re: A C&BT Shops Fe-26 lives...finally

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Mike,



All photos will be posted automatically unless you choose to have them
moderator approved.



Go to Management > Web Tools > Edit > then under Photos check the moderator
approval box.



John Hagen



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Mike
Brock
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 10:00 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: A C&BT Shops Fe-26 lives...finally





Jerry Glow...showing unusual awareness...writes:

"Did you notice how fast those photos were approved for listing? <g>"

Actually I was planning to recuse myself and shout at Aley to approve my
photos. Sadly...and amazingly...Yahoogroups software apparently checks to
see if photos are being uploaded by the Supremo and automatically approves
them. Oh well...The only other perk I get is the right to park my car in the

Hilton parking lot during Prototype Rails...

Mike Brock


Re: A C&BT Shops Fe-26 lives...finally

Mikebrock
 

Charles Hostetler asks:

"I'm curious about whether it was sent TO Buford or THROUGH Buford?"

Well...the only way to really know would be to ask the agent stationed there...Bruce Smith is his name I think. Could be that the car contained furniture [ more likely supllies for making beer ] for the new station being built at Bruceford...or perhaps a new car for Smith so he can get down to Cheyenne every now and then. Only one passenger train [ The Pony Express? ] stops at Buford and it has to be flagged. Not sure how it would look for the agent to flag a train, then get on board....

Mike Brock


Re: A C&BT Shops Fe-26 lives...finally

Mikebrock
 

Jerry Glow...showing unusual awareness...writes:

"Did you notice how fast those photos were approved for listing? <g>"

Actually I was planning to recuse myself and shout at Aley to approve my photos. Sadly...and amazingly...Yahoogroups software apparently checks to see if photos are being uploaded by the Supremo and automatically approves them. Oh well...The only other perk I get is the right to park my car in the Hilton parking lot during Prototype Rails...

Mike Brock


Re: Help with Proto

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

I've been chatting with Rob and I've solved his problem for him. And as you put it Jerry, left overs from the Sunshine conversion.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

Unfortunately no. Those cars have often been "doners" for other projects. About the only chance is finding someone who used other doors in building that kit like the Sunshine ones for a Wabash car

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "roblmclear" <rob.mclear3@> wrote:

Hi guys

I have recently been stung on e-bay, my bad, I purchased two Life Like Proto 2000 Automobile boxcars in the UP scheme yellow/white lettering and unfortunately I didn't check the contents all that well. I now find that all of the doors are missing from both kits. Is there anyone out there who knows what replacements might be appropriate. I have been in touch with Walthers but they don't have any replacement parts any longer for these kits. Any help would be appreciated.

Regards
Rob McLear
Kingaroy Australia.


Re: Boats on Flats

al_brown03
 

When I first saw the pictures in the Florida Photographic Collection (which date from 1945), of a boat loaded onto a PRR F22 gun flat, I knew I had to model that cribbing. So I did: and the flatcar and boat as well. Pending approval, some pictures have been uploaded to an album in the photos section, entitled "Parker's Boat".

The flatcar is an F&C #7011 PRR F22 flat, with an AMB #9000 wood deck. I haven't found a source of the correct 100-ton PRR 2F-F2 trucks, so I used Kadee 70-ton Barber S-2s, which have roughly the right "Bettendorf" sideframe shape and approach the right heft.

The cradle was built from Northeastern scale lumber. Lumber sizes were eyeballed from the prototype photos. Contours of the three saddles were determined by measuring the boat hull with a contour gauge. The aft-most saddle had to be notched beyond what's shown, to clear the propeller shafts.

I chose the project because of the cribbing, but most of the modeling time went into the boat! I know very little about power boats; I'm told the 1:1 load is a Chris Craft, but I don't know how one knows. The model boat doesn't exactly match it: the cabin is a foot or two farther aft. The model is an Athearn boat, shortened to 25'; the cockpit roof, rudder, exhaust pipes, and scupper hoods were made from styrene. Cleats, propellers, ship's wheel, and seat stanchion are from Sea Port Models; horn and loud hailers are Herpa truck horns. The cockpit windows are clear styrene, secured with Micro Kristal Klear. The windshield wipers are from Detail Associates.

In a train this would be hauled with the boat pointed forward, so that (1) junk wouldn't blow into the cockpit, and (2) the cockpit roof wouldn't blow off.

I'm grateful to (alphabetically) Marty Megregiam, Tom Meyer, Mark Novak, and Bruce Smith for helpful discussions.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

In the Florida Photographic collection, search "Parker's Boat". I don't know what make of boat is shown, but I'm currently building the flatcar.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@> wrote:

Kevin Sprayberry wrote:
Here is a question for you guys. Do any of you guys happen to know
if Cris Craft shipped their boats by rail? I thoought I had seen
pics somewhere of some wood boats loaded ob flatcars but I can't
remember. I thought that since I model in 1/8th scale that a wooden
Cris Craft would look great loaded.
I don't know about Chris Craft specifically, but certainly
cabin cruisers were often shipped that way. There is a photo of one
such, on an SP flat car, in my book on SP flat cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: A C&BT Shops Fe-26 lives...finally

Charles Hostetler <cesicjh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:
Someone was curious as to why this
car was sent to Buford, WY.

Hey Mike -

I'm curious about whether it was sent TO Buford or THROUGH Buford?

Regards,

Charles Hostetler


Re: A C&BT Shops Fe-26 lives...finally

jerryglow2
 

Did you notice how fast those photos were approved for listing? <g>

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

Having a C&BT Shops ATSF Fe-26 for quite a few yrs....

Nevertheless, I have loaded 4 photos of the car into the album ATSF Fe-26 in
the photo section. Oh...if you can come up with the number of Archer rivets
on the car, you get a Get Out of Jail Free card.

Mike Brock


Re: Help with Proto

jerryglow2
 

Unfortunately no. Those cars have often been "doners" for other projects. About the only chance is finding someone who used other doors in building that kit like the Sunshine ones for a Wabash car

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "roblmclear" <rob.mclear3@...> wrote:

Hi guys

I have recently been stung on e-bay, my bad, I purchased two Life Like Proto 2000 Automobile boxcars in the UP scheme yellow/white lettering and unfortunately I didn't check the contents all that well. I now find that all of the doors are missing from both kits. Is there anyone out there who knows what replacements might be appropriate. I have been in touch with Walthers but they don't have any replacement parts any longer for these kits. Any help would be appreciated.

Regards
Rob McLear
Kingaroy Australia.


Help with Proto

roblmclear <rob.mclear3@...>
 

Hi guys

I have recently been stung on e-bay, my bad, I purchased two Life Like Proto 2000 Automobile boxcars in the UP scheme yellow/white lettering and unfortunately I didn't check the contents all that well. I now find that all of the doors are missing from both kits. Is there anyone out there who knows what replacements might be appropriate. I have been in touch with Walthers but they don't have any replacement parts any longer for these kits. Any help would be appreciated.

Regards
Rob McLear
Kingaroy Australia.

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