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Re: Advice Regarding Best Adhesives

Jim Betz
 

Nelson,

You could be right about carpenter's glue (from Elmers) being
an aliphatic resin. It is a lot more resistant to water ... but
I've seen it let go if the joint was wet enough and long enough.

I don't use yellow glue for models - other than for
making spline roadbed or other similar "carpentry"
tasks. In fact I don't even use Elmer's for models.
KK seems to do the trick.
- Jim


Re: ADMIN: Re: The new format

Mikebrock
 

Wayne Inbc1 [ odd last name, but...] writes:

"I appologize for missing what is probably obvious, but I don't see a link to the group rules anywhere. How do we access them? "

It's actually quite easy. You could find the message I repiled to you when you requested membership. It contains the rules for which you responded that you both read and agreed with. Or, you could go to the STMFC file space and find the rules at STMFC Rules2011.eml.

Since there have been some messages lately without the member's full name, I think I will take this opportunity to remind the members about the full name rule...and others for that matter. Hence, this reply will go to the full membership.

Oh, note the rule:

"Members must sign messages with their full names. If the member's address IS
their full name exactly [ to the left of an @ sign ] or simply their full
name, that is acceptable as a signature."

Mike Brock...See...even I know my last name
STMFC Owner

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:


As all members of the STMFC are aware...you read the group rules,
right?...this subject is out of scope ON the group. However, it is entirely
within scope to inquire about such matters directly to me or Jeff Aley. So,
let me or Jeff know what you are talking about at:

STMFC-owner@...

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Identify the Mystery Truck

Bruce Smith
 

Wayne,

The photo hasn't been approved yet, but I'll take a stab

National type B

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al
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From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of wayneinbc1 [wayneinbc@...]
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:14 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Identify the Mystery Truck

I came across this odd truck at a museum on Vancouver island.

It seems to be marked:

NATIONAL
COILEAP
TYPE B
ARA 23

I am labelling some of my photos and would like to add a proper
description. Can anyone identify it?

I posted the picture in this album ..
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/638202773/pic/list
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/638202773/pic/list>

Thanks


Wayne



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Identify the Mystery Truck

WACampbell
 

I came across this odd truck at a museum on Vancouver island.

It seems to be marked:

NATIONAL
COILEAP
TYPE B
ARA 23

I am labelling some of my photos and would like to add a proper
description. Can anyone identify it?

I posted the picture in this album ..
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/638202773/pic/list
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/638202773/pic/list>

Thanks


Wayne


ADMIN: Re: The new format

WACampbell
 

I appologize for missing what is probably obvious, but I don't see a link to the group rules anywhere. How do we access them?

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:


As all members of the STMFC are aware...you read the group rules,
right?...this subject is out of scope ON the group. However, it is entirely
within scope to inquire about such matters directly to me or Jeff Aley. So,
let me or Jeff know what you are talking about at:

STMFC-owner@...

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


ADMIN: Re: The new format

Mikebrock
 

As all members of the STMFC are aware...you read the group rules, right?...this subject is out of scope ON the group. However, it is entirely within scope to inquire about such matters directly to me or Jeff Aley. So, let me or Jeff know what you are talking about at:

STMFC-owner@...

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


The new format

generalrailwaysignal <GRSJr@...>
 

The new format is a swift pain in the A**
How can I get back to the old list format?


New format?

Dave Lawler
 

Good day,
All of the messages I receive now, under the New Format are single word, vertically down the left side of my monitor. Am I doing something wrong or is this how it's supposed to be? Very hard to read!!!!
Dave Lawler


GAC Pfaulder Milk Reefers in freight service

Bill McCoy
 

Warren Calloway sent the photo I've sent to the Photos section of ACL 912 North at Rocky MT, NC in probably 1963 or 64. I know the photo date is outside this group's scope but the second car in the train may not be. It looks like a GAF Pfaulder reefer with a monogram of some sort and the standard GAC gold lettering. I want to justify one of these cars for my 1950s SE era. Any ideas on who the lesssee would be?

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL


Re: SLSF USRA Rebuild " Frisco Faster Freight" Correct colors

erict1361 <erict1361@...>
 

Aaron,

Yes the link works. Wow that's an old article, Thanks for posting it.

Another color I was considering is Tamiya's "XF-14 JA Grey" . This is a light tan bordering on light gray. In Sunshine Kit 4.2,(now 64.64) Martin states on the PDS that " The color was a light beige bordering on light gray".

The next time I get to the Hobby store for paint, I will check out the Earth color, actually, I may have a Floquil Spray bomb of " Earth" here somewhere. I already have a bottle of " Roof Brown".

Thanks for the helpful information.

Eric Thur

--- In STMFC@..., "Aaron Gjermundson" <npin53@...> wrote:

Paste the following into a search. It should come up.

thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/allaboard/Optimized/1989_5_v3_12.pdf

Aaron


Re: Boats on Flats

Pete Ismail
 

It doesn't look like anyone has pointed to the lead photo at:
http://www.wx4.org/to/foam/big_rr/wp/sanjose.html

I hope that Mike will excuse the fact that the photo is technically too
late for this list, but I thought the Chris Craft logo on the boat's cover
might be of interest.

Pete Ismail
(Right outside Colorado Springs, so if somebody did already post this link
I'll just say the smoke got in my eyes)

Kevin Sprayberry wrote:
Here is a question for you guys. Do any of you guys happen to know
if Cris Craft shipped their boats by rail? I thoought I had seen
pics somewhere of some wood boats loaded ob flatcars but I can't
remember. I thought that since I model in 1/8th scale that a
wooden Cris Craft would look great loaded


Re: Boats on Flats

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi,

"al_brown03" wrote:

When I first saw the pictures in the Florida Photographic Collection
There are some cool photos to be found, one example in the link below of ventilated boxcar SAL 89728

http://www.floridamemory.com/items/show/53123

- Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
From: "al_brown03" <abrown@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 12:12 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Boats on Flats


Apologies: mis-spelled "Megregian".

AL B.

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

When I first saw the pictures in the Florida Photographic Collection (which date from 1945), of a boat loaded onto a PRR F22 gun flat, I knew I had to model that cribbing. So I did: and the flatcar and boat as well. Pending approval, some pictures have been uploaded to an album in the photos section, entitled "Parker's Boat".

The flatcar is an F&C #7011 PRR F22 flat, with an AMB #9000 wood deck. I haven't found a source of the correct 100-ton PRR 2F-F2 trucks, so I used Kadee 70-ton Barber S-2s, which have roughly the right "Bettendorf" sideframe shape and approach the right heft.

The cradle was built from Northeastern scale lumber. Lumber sizes were eyeballed from the prototype photos. Contours of the three saddles were determined by measuring the boat hull with a contour gauge. The aft-most saddle had to be notched beyond what's shown, to clear the propeller shafts.

I chose the project because of the cribbing, but most of the modeling time went into the boat! I know very little about power boats; I'm told the 1:1 load is a Chris Craft, but I don't know how one knows. The model boat doesn't exactly match it: the cabin is a foot or two farther aft. The model is an Athearn boat, shortened to 25'; the cockpit roof, rudder, exhaust pipes, and scupper hoods were made from styrene. Cleats, propellers, ship's wheel, and seat stanchion are from Sea Port Models; horn and loud hailers are Herpa truck horns. The cockpit windows are clear styrene, secured with Micro Kristal Klear. The windshield wipers are from Detail Associates.

In a train this would be hauled with the boat pointed forward, so that (1) junk wouldn't blow into the cockpit, and (2) the cockpit roof wouldn't blow off.

I'm grateful to (alphabetically) Marty Megregiam, Tom Meyer, Mark Novak, and Bruce Smith for helpful discussions.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@> wrote:

In the Florida Photographic collection, search "Parker's Boat". I don't know what make of boat is shown, but I'm currently building the flatcar.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@> wrote:

Kevin Sprayberry wrote:
Here is a question for you guys. Do any of you guys happen to know
if Cris Craft shipped their boats by rail? I thoought I had seen
pics somewhere of some wood boats loaded ob flatcars but I can't
remember. I thought that since I model in 1/8th scale that a wooden
Cris Craft would look great loaded.
I don't know about Chris Craft specifically, but certainly
cabin cruisers were often shipped that way. There is a photo of one
such, on an SP flat car, in my book on SP flat cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@
Publishers of books on railroad history



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Re: SLSF USRA Rebuild " Frisco Faster Freight" Correct colors

 

Thanks Aaron, Floquil Earth sounds better, don't know if I have that color on hand. I will make a note on the colors.I have that car also and had heard white with a touch of roof brown for the sides. I obviously have not built that kit yet.

 
Rich Christie


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From: Aaron Gjermundson <npin53@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: SLSF USRA Rebuild " Frisco Faster Freight" Correct colors



 

I have read that Floquil Earth is a good match for the tan/cream sides, and Floquil Roof Brown can be used for the ends, doors, ect.

Here is a link to the Frisco Allaboard publication that discusses the subject. Fourth page, half way down the left hand column.

http://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/allaboard/Optimized/1989_5_v3_12.pdf

I have one of Sunshine, Frisco FFF scheme rebuilds kits on order so am curious as to what other paint colors people have used.

Aaron


Re: SLSF USRA Rebuild " Frisco Faster Freight" Correct colors

npin53
 

Paste the following into a search. It should come up.

thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/allaboard/Optimized/1989_5_v3_12.pdf

Aaron


Re: SLSF USRA Rebuild " Frisco Faster Freight" Correct colors

npin53
 

I have read that Floquil Earth is a good match for the tan/cream sides, and Floquil Roof Brown can be used for the ends, doors, ect.

Here is a link to the Frisco Allaboard publication that discusses the subject. Fourth page, half way down the left hand column.

http://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/allaboard/Optimized/1989_5_v3_12.pdf

I have one of Sunshine, Frisco FFF scheme rebuilds kits on order so am curious as to what other paint colors people have used.

Aaron


SLSF USRA Rebuild " Frisco Faster Freight" Correct colors

erict1361 <erict1361@...>
 

Would anyone of you Frisco models know the correct tan or beige color to use for the SLSF USRA Rebuild " Frisco Faster Freight" cars?
What would be the closest paint match? Ditto on the Roof/Door/End color.

Thanks,

Eric Thur


Re: Layout visit

Charles Morrill
 

September 12-15 in Seattle may be too late on your visit schedule, but the National NG meet ( www.seattle2012.com ) starting then in Seattle would certainly meet your layout visit wants.
Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Samuel Röthlisberger" <roethlisberger.samuel@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 1:41 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Layout visit


Hello
Me and my girlfriend will fly over the pond to the US in early September. We’ll drive from Seattle down the Coast to San Francisco and LA, take a turn to Las Vegas and fly back from LA on September 21.
Now I have a unusual question: Can I visit a layout on my way? I’d really like to see a real american layout once. I only see them in MR and RMC.
Thanks
Samuel Roethlisberger





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Re: Lumber Loads on Flat Cars and in Box Cars

Guy Wilber
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:




"Packaged lumber (i.e., even-sized stacks wrapped in plastic) wasn't
shipped on flat cars until the '60s and later."



The move towards "packaged" lumber was underway by the early 1950s when most industry was fully realizing the benefits of mechanized loading and unloading. The AAR's Special Committee on Lumber Loading (appointed in 1942) developed Figure 6-C to cover open top loads of packaged lumber during 1950 as shipments of this type proved problematic prepared and shipped under the existing provisions of Figure 6. Though not yet wrapped in plastic the units were banded (or wired) and of uniform lengths and widths.


The renamed Special Committee On Forest Products introduced the new figure and rule covering lumber packaged in lengths from ten to sixteen foot long during the following year (1951). After numerous authorized tests of cars originating from both Southern and Northwestern territories Figure 6-C was issued by supplement in early 1951. Figure 6-C would subsequently be re-titled Figure 9 (as amended) and issued within Manual MD-3 on June 1, 1951.


Figure 9 was revised again in 1953 with minor changes designed to reduce the amount of dunnage used in separating and blocking packages. The revised figure and rule was issued within MD-3 on May 1, 1953. During 1955 lumber shippers requested Figure 9 be revised to allow for the shipments of eight foot long "studs". Revised, the new Figure and rules were issued by circular letter as a complete new Manual MD-3 was to be issued in 1956. Revisions would continue thru the 195os including figures for seven foot "studs" as well as Figure 9-B covering the loading of packaged lumber on bulkhead flats which was issued on January 24, 1957 (effective February 15, 1957).


As for the plastic wrapping of packaged lumber; the first mention within the Forest Products Loading Committee report was during 1955: "The packages are protected from the elements with sheets of polyethelene (sic) plastic..."


From an article within Railway Freight Traffic, June 1957: "Shipment of lumber in packaged unit loads is rapidly gaining acceptance among both shippers and receivers. Unitized steel-strapped packages provide a convenient, economical method of shipping and handling. Receivers' unloading costs are cut up to 90%."


Mr. H. L. Hewing, Superintendent of Interchange, Chicago Car Interchange Bureau (June, 1958); "In my opinion, one of the most noteworthy accomplishments made in the recent years in the movement of cut lumber, rough or dressed, on open top railroad cars, resulted from the lumber industries adoption of packaging their product and subsequent unitizing of the packages."


Guy Wilber
Sparks, Nevada








I have many photos
from the '50s and earlier showing lumber loads on flat cars, and in
almost all cases the stacks consist of more or less random lengths
with one or both ends irregular in the way that you describe."






Usually the lumber in the stacks had uniform width and height
dimensions, but not always. But again, that was either large size
lumber that required additional milling/cutting to spec. or the kind
of rough stuff that was used for concrete forms, retaining walls,
etc. Finished lumber for the construction trade was shipped in
closed cars.

Richard Hendrickson

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Re: Layout visit

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

Apologies fpr misdirecting that email.

CJ Riley

Bainbridge Island WA


Re: Layout visit

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

Samuel,

I have forwarded your note to the Seattle NMRA yahoo group for layouts in this area and there are many super ones.

I had to help a modeler with the same last name as the quarterback for my favorite football team: the Pittsburgh Steelers.

I have a small layout based on Thurmond WV you are welcome to visit, but I am a 35 minute ferry ride across the Sound from Seattle and it would tie up a lot of your time. I would meet you at the ferry if you wanted to do this.

CJ Riley

Bainbridge Island WA

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