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Re: Accurail model list

Tim O'Connor
 

Fenton

It's getting increasingly difficult to find detail parts. I've occasionally seen the SCC parts
at train shows at dealers who set out boxes of miscellaneous stuff, usually seen in conjunction
with Don's heavyweight passenger car details. The doors are very nicely made.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "O Fenton Wells" <srrfan1401@...>

Where does one find these Standard Car Co. parts? I did a quick google
search and could find nothing. One site shows thema s part of Palace Car
Co. but a visit to that site did not show these parts. Help please
Fenton Wells


Re: Accurail model list

O Fenton Wells
 

Where does one find these Standard Car Co. parts? I did a quick google
search and could find nothing. One site shows thema s part of Palace Car
Co. but a visit to that site did not show these parts. Help please
Fenton Wells

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Don <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

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--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

The second part of Richard's article, in the April 1993 issue of RMJ
was actually on how to convert on of the Accurail cars into a 1 & 1/2 door
boxcar. It was the inspiration for the Standard Car Co. #1000 part . . . It
also save the cost of chopping up a second car from which to fashion the
1/2 door and other parts one might want.

But note that the section you cut out of the FIRST car to install the
new door-and-a-half part, can THEN be used to modify that second car. So
you CAN get two models done with the help of this nice door casting.

Hello Tony,

I hate to disillusion you as it appears you have never tried the Standard
Car CO. #1000 kit. One of the nice features that was purposely designed
into the kit is that you do NOT remove any large pieces of the Accurail
carbody being modified. The parts of the #1000 kit drop right onto the
Accurail carside. There are two choices available. With one the parts can
be added and that is all there is to it, nothing to remove except molded on
grabirons on the host carbody if you wish. The second choice, for a dead-on
accurate set of doors for the GTW version that Richard's article addresses
requires one to remove the stiffner angle on the door of the host car and
replace it in the proper position with one from the kit. It is as simple as
that with the two choices being offered for those who are intimidated by
the thought of removing the molded on stiffner angle.

Incidentally, if someone can find a prototype for the Accurail car with
steel doors in the 1 & 1/2 door configuration perhaps Bill Welch will have
his Kit #1001. Thanks Bill!

Hope this clarifies things, Don Valentine




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Re: Silver? Great Northern 40' box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

That's true, but I've always been curious about the GN 2500's exposed frame members
along the bottom sill, similar to many single and double sheathed rebuilds. Other aluminum
cars built around this time for NKP, RI, M&StL and Alton resembled AAR cars in every way
except for their use of 14 panel sides.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>

Yes, but that car was essentially a standard AAR steel box car with
aluminum instead of steel sheathing. Certainly not a former single
sheathed box car with the wood side sheathing replaced by steel (or
aluminum), which is what Gene was asking about. I'm not aware of any
such car, but I'm not a GN expert.

Richard Hendrickson


MDT yellow

rdietrichson
 

Good morning group,
Can anyone tell me what is a good color match for MDT yellow sided reefers? I would prefer a Floquil color or mix, but others will work.
Thanks,
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


Bowser Locomotive Parts

seameadow17
 

Hello Everyone,
I am sorry for possible cross-posting, but I sit back and view alot of groups on line myself, so hopefully if you read this on another site, forgive me!
Hello everyone. I hope I am not boring you with this question, I had the info. I needed a while ago, but computer had gotten destroyed. I have a nice collection of Bowser steam locomotives, probably eight sitting in my display case. After several military moves and the engines put in storage, at that time in my parents home where they were tamplerd with by a young brother and nephew.
I would like to find valve gear for these loco's and a few extra parts. I am not sure where I found the info once before and now that I finally have time to work on them I am scratching my head. I do have most of the BLI engines but would love to get these heavy babies running again. Some of them I converted to can motors and flywheels and it would be great to get them running well enough to add DCC & sound.
Well, thanks for reading and thank you for any info you might have to share.
Jim V.


Re: Silver? Great Northern 40' box cars

Clark Propst
 

I was in International Falls last week for pizza (no didn't drive 8 hours for pizza, but it is that good) and saw one of the rebuilt box cars with the 'standing Rocky' logo. No camera. Will be passing through again Friday maybe I can take a photo then?
Clark Propst


Re: Silver? Great Northern 40' box cars

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Thanks to all who responded, both in this forum and to me off line. I shall pass all your responses on to the person who inquired. (And who lacks internet access.)
Gene Green


Re: Accurail model list

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

The second part of Richard's article, in the April 1993 issue of RMJ was actually on how to convert on of the Accurail cars into a 1 & 1/2 door boxcar. It was the inspiration for the Standard Car Co. #1000 part . . . It also save the cost of chopping up a second car from which to fashion the 1/2 door and other parts one might want.
But note that the section you cut out of the FIRST car to install the new door-and-a-half part, can THEN be used to modify that second car. So you CAN get two models done with the help of this nice door casting.

Hello Tony,

I hate to disillusion you as it appears you have never tried the Standard Car CO. #1000 kit. One of the nice features that was purposely designed into the kit is that you do NOT remove any large pieces of the Accurail carbody being modified. The parts of the #1000 kit drop right onto the Accurail carside. There are two choices available. With one the parts can be added and that is all there is to it, nothing to remove except molded on grabirons on the host carbody if you wish. The second choice, for a dead-on accurate set of doors for the GTW version that Richard's article addresses requires one to remove the stiffner angle on the door of the host car and replace it in the proper position with one from the kit. It is as simple as that with the two choices being offered for those who are intimidated by the thought of removing the molded on stiffner angle.

Incidentally, if someone can find a prototype for the Accurail car with steel doors in the 1 & 1/2 door configuration perhaps Bill Welch will have his Kit #1001. Thanks Bill!

Hope this clarifies things, Don Valentine


Re: Silver? Great Northern 40' box cars

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

The simple answer is "no" as indicated by others and based on fifty years of staring at GN freight car pictures. The mixup seems to be based on the previously mentioned one of a kind aluminum box no. 2500 built as a double sheathed metal (aluminum) box from the start, not rebuilt from a wood car. A possible contributing mix up factor is another one of a kind GN box, the 44320 single sheathed steel car rebuilt from a double wood (plywood) sheath box, with a red and black (and white) herald but painted Glacier green at rebuilding.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:01 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Silver? Great Northern 40' box cars



A fellow modeler asked me today if the GN ever had silver 40' single-sheathed box cars on which the wood sides had been replaced by steel and the "goat" herald rendered in red and black. Is the a GN expert who cares to comment?

Gene Green


Re: Silver? Great Northern 40' box cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Steve Haas wrote:

<<A fellow modeler asked me today if the GN ever had silver 40'
single-sheathed box cars on which the wood sides had been replaced
by steel
and the "goat" herald rendered in red and black. Is the a GN expert
who
cares to comment?>>

Gene,

Quoting from the second edition of "Lines East", authored by
Patrick C.
Dorin and published by Signature Press, on page 52 (there's a
picture):

"in 1944, the GN constructed a 40 foot, single-door boxcar with
aluminum
sheathing. . . . .the single car (no. 2500) survived until the BN
merger,
but was never duplicated."

The car was not silver, but did remain in natural aluminum for its
entire
service life.
Yes, but that car was essentially a standard AAR steel box car with
aluminum instead of steel sheathing. Certainly not a former single
sheathed box car with the wood side sheathing replaced by steel (or
aluminum), which is what Gene was asking about. I'm not aware of any
such car, but I'm not a GN expert.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Silver? Great Northern 40' box cars

Larry Wolohon
 

Gene,



What Steve states below is correct. GN had an aluminum car in the past as stated below & that is the
"Silver"box car that the GN had.



Larry Woloihon/GN Fan

----- Original Message -----


From: "Steve Haas" <Goatfisher2@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:27:47 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Silver? Great Northern 40' box cars

 





<<A fellow modeler asked me today if the GN ever had silver 40'
single-sheathed box cars on which the wood sides had been replaced by steel
and the "goat" herald rendered in red and black. Is the a GN expert who
cares to comment?>>

Gene,

Quoting from the second edition of "Lines East", authored by Patrick C.
Dorin and published by Signature Press, on page 52 (there's a picture):

"in 1944, the GN constructed a 40 foot, single-door boxcar with aluminum
sheathing. . . . .the single car (no. 2500) survived until the BN merger,
but was never duplicated."

The car was not silver, but did remain in natural aluminum for its entire
service life.

Best regards,

Steve Haas
Snoqualmie, WA




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Re: Silver? Great Northern 40' box cars

Steve Haas
 

<<A fellow modeler asked me today if the GN ever had silver 40'
single-sheathed box cars on which the wood sides had been replaced by steel
and the "goat" herald rendered in red and black. Is the a GN expert who
cares to comment?>>

Gene,

Quoting from the second edition of "Lines East", authored by Patrick C.
Dorin and published by Signature Press, on page 52 (there's a picture):

"in 1944, the GN constructed a 40 foot, single-door boxcar with aluminum
sheathing. . . . .the single car (no. 2500) survived until the BN merger,
but was never duplicated."

The car was not silver, but did remain in natural aluminum for its entire
service life.

Best regards,

Steve Haas
Snoqualmie, WA


Re: Reweigh Light Weight

Tom Birkett <tnbirke@...>
 

Reweighing was part of the Interchange rules so when the time came a
railroad would do the job, stencil the car and send the owning railroad a
bill. Reweighing private cars was the car Owner's responsibility

Tom Birkett

Bartlesville, OK





From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 8:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Reweigh Light Weight





Until we get a more informed annwer, I'd guess not as the railroads even
used scale test cars to verify scales' accuracy. I's suspect records were
kept of the checks as weighing cars was part of determining cost of
shippments.

Scale cars were indeed used at specified intervals to verify accuracy of car
scales. Checking light weight when required by time span (i.e. old light
weight was about to expire) was a railroad responsibility and would not have
been charged to the previous or following shipment. If a weight was
questioned, the railroad would reweigh and charge the requester if the
stenciled weight was in fact correct, and pay for it themselves if it was
wrong.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history


Silver? Great Northern 40' box cars

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

A fellow modeler asked me today if the GN ever had silver 40' single-sheathed box cars on which the wood sides had been replaced by steel and the "goat" herald rendered in red and black. Is the a GN expert who cares to comment?

Gene Green


Re: Reweigh Light Weight

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Until we get a more informed annwer, I'd guess not as the railroads even used scale test cars to verify scales' accuracy. I's suspect records were kept of the checks as weighing cars was part of determining cost of shippments.
Scale cars were indeed used at specified intervals to verify accuracy of car scales. Checking light weight when required by time span (i.e. old light weight was about to expire) was a railroad responsibility and would not have been charged to the previous or following shipment. If a weight was questioned, the railroad would reweigh and charge the requester if the stenciled weight was in fact correct, and pay for it themselves if it was wrong.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Reweigh Light Weight

jerryglow2
 

Until we get a more informed annwer, I'd guess not as the railroads even used scale test cars to verify scales' accuracy. I's suspect records were kept of the checks as weighing cars was part of determining cost of shippments.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Gene" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

Could any scale be used to check the light weight of a freight car?

Did scales for the reweighing of freight cars have to meet some special or more stringent standards?

Was it required that a qualified or high-ranking official reweigh a freight car or supervise reweighing?

Gene Green


Re: Accurail model list

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

The second part of Richard's article, in the April 1993 issue of RMJ was actually on how to convert on of the Accurail cars into a 1 & 1/2 door boxcar. It was the inspiration for the Standard Car Co. #1000 part . . . It also save the cost of chopping up a second car from which to fashion the 1/2 door and other parts one might want.
But note that the section you cut out of the FIRST car to install the new door-and-a-half part, can THEN be used to modify that second car. So you CAN get two models done with the help of this nice door casting.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Accurail model list

Bill Welch
 

This little set of parts is one of the best kept secrets in our hobby, the quality is equivalent of Cannon & Company. I keep waiting for kits #1001, #1002, #1003, ....

Bill Welch


Gene and all,

The second part of Richard's article, in the April 1993 issue of RMJ was actually on how to convert on of the Accurail cars into a
1 & 1/2 door boxcar. It was the inspiration for the Standard Car Co. #1000 parts that you can find under the New England Rail Service listings in the Walthers catalog. The parts offered enable the modeler to convert the Accurail car into a fully accurate GTW car or a more "generic" 1 1/2 door car witout moving the stiffening brace cast onto the model, for those who are intimidated by such work. Certainly no one on this list! VBG It also save the cost of chopping up a second car from which to fashion the 1/2 door and other parts one might want.

Excuse my crass commercialism.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Accurail model list

Aley, Jeff A
 

Jared,

See messages 87336 (!!) 87355, and 87359:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/message/87336
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/message/87355
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/message/87359

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of JaredH
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 8:31 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Accurail model list



I thought someone on this list looked at the Accurail kits to determine which ones are prototypical with what paint and lettering schemes. I scanned the files but didn't see a list there. Is there such a list?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Accurail model list

jerryglow2
 

Has a similar article (or any) been done on the 6 panel car?

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "Gene" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

Richard Hendrickson wrote a two-part article in the February and April 1993 issues of Railmodel Journal that addressed prototypes for the Accurail 4000-4100-4200-4300-4400-4500 series single-sheathed box cars. These articles can be found at
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/model-train-magazine-index

Gene Green

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