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Re: Oddball update

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Brian, Clark, and List Members,

I too am sad things have gotten this bad for him - the printing on his decals is nice and sharp even in N scale, and his decal material goes on very easily and is very thin. I guess I'm lucky in that I purchased a 'lifetime supply' of items in his catalog maybe five years back so I probably have what I need for the forseeable future.

- Claus Schlund

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Ehni [mailto:behni@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 08:59 AM
To: 'STMFC List'
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Oddball update

Dang. That IS sad. He had quite an extensive product list.


Thanks!
--

Brian P. Ehni

From: <cepropst@q.com>
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Date: Monday, August 13, 2012 10:37 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] Oddball update






Awhile back I asked if anyone has had trouble getting decals from Oddballs.
Here¹s an update on the sad state of affairs.
Jason Klocke placed a rather large order, never received it and got the run
around when he inquired. He contacted the Kansas state attorney general¹s
office and then received a refund check from Tom that bounced. Now the state
will force Tom to send Jason a money order. If anyone else would to try and
get their money back please contact Nancy Tellez at 1-785-296-3751 she would
like to hear from you.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa















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Re: PRR covered hoppers colors

al_brown03
 

I can't see it either. I can never remember what " %20 " in a link translates to.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Scott H. Haycock " <shhaycock@...> wrote:

Bill, try it again.
http://pcapp1.tripod.com/8-13-2005%207-42-34%20PM_0062.jpg
Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "lnbill" <fgexbill@...>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:36:44 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: PRR covered hoppers colors






For some reason, I am unable to view the photo in question, I just the the "Tripod" logo.

The darkening could also be caused by using a lens hood or shade meant for a longer lens than the one it is mounted on.

Bill Welch





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Re: are there any bozos in model railroading?

Scott H. Haycock
 

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Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:42:57 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: are there any bozos in model railroading?






"This animal is sick!", probably referring to a guy who couldn't figure out
the right shade of gray for a PRR H34? Many photos did make them look
almost white, but they were definitely a medium Gray from my experience.
Yes, Firesign did instructs many of us back then.
Rich Burg (on the bus)

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Re: PRR covered hoppers colors

Scott H. Haycock
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "lnbill" <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:36:44 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: PRR covered hoppers colors






For some reason, I am unable to view the photo in question, I just the the "Tripod" logo.

The darkening could also be caused by using a lens hood or shade meant for a longer lens than the one it is mounted on.

Bill Welch





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Re: are there any bozos in model railroading?

cinderandeight@...
 

"This animal is sick!", probably referring to a guy who couldn't figure out
the right shade of gray for a PRR H34? Many photos did make them look
almost white, but they were definitely a medium Gray from my experience.
Yes, Firesign did instructs many of us back then.
Rich Burg (on the bus)


Re: PRR covered hoppers colors

Bill Welch
 

For some reason, I am unable to view the photo in question, I just the the "Tripod" logo.

The darkening could also be caused by using a lens hood or shade meant for a longer lens than the one it is mounted on.

Bill Welch

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--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@> wrote:

Mike,

Actually, I felt that the developing or exposure might not have been consistent across the image - there seems to be an edge effect to me

Regards

Bruce
Actually, the dark corners are familiar to anyone who carried an Argus C-2 back in the fifties and sixties... that camera consistently underexposed the corners and ends of a 35mm frame.

Dennis


Re: PRR covered hoppers colors

Scott H. Haycock
 

Dennis,
This effect is called "vignetting" and is caused by a lens mismatched to a camera body. In modern photography, for example, using a lens designed for a digital camera with its smaller sensor, on a full frame 35mm camera body can cause this effect.
Scott Haycock

----- Original Message -----
From: "soolinehistory" <destorzek@mchsi.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:03:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: PRR covered hoppers colors









Actually, the dark corners are familiar to anyone who carried an Argus C-2 back in the fifties and sixties... that camera consistently underexposed the corners and ends of a 35mm frame.

Dennis


Re: PRR covered hoppers colors

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:

Mike,

Actually, I felt that the developing or exposure might not have been consistent across the image - there seems to be an edge effect to me

Regards

Bruce
Actually, the dark corners are familiar to anyone who carried an Argus C-2 back in the fifties and sixties... that camera consistently underexposed the corners and ends of a 35mm frame.

Dennis


Re: Helium Car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Awhile back, the question was raised whether Athearn sells the former MDC 100-ton trucks, used under the SP ore gondolas. They are not shown on the Athearn web pages for parts, but Athearn says those listings are not complete, and to check with the parts department, I have checked with them, and here is their reply:

Thank you for your inquiry. Please note that these trucks are in stock. Please see the information and instructions below.
ATHP90404 TRK 100T RB W/CLASP BRAKES RTR for $7.98 (2pk)

Please note that may be ordered directly from our Parts Department (parts@athearn.com) by mail to the address listed below, by e-mail at parts@athearn.com or by phone at 310-763-7140 ext.122 or by FAX at (310) 895-7484 Monday to Friday 8AM to 3:30 PM, Pacific Standard Time. Please note that there is minimum $10.00 shipping and handling charge for all purchased parts. We accept checks, money orders, Visa and MasterCard. We do not use or accept Pay Pal as a method of payment. Please not that California and Illinois sales tax will be applied to orders for residents of these states. <<

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: PRR covered hoppers colors

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 13, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Mike Brock wrote:
It IS noteworthy how dependent one is on mother nature when
shooting photos of any kind.
True, Mike, and that's only one of numerous variables. With color
slides, the outcome also depends on the camera and camera settings,
the film, the color processing, and how - and how much - the dyes may
have faded or otherwise changed since the image was printed.
Modelers who resort to color slides as a guide to prototype paint
colors, as Todd did in this instance, are taking a lot of risks.
Having a number of color slides showing the same cars with the paint
aged and weathered about the same amount can reduce those risks but
certainly not eliminate them. Furthermore, as we've noted on this
list any number of times in the past, knowing with some certainty
what color paint was on the prototype doesn't mean you want to paint
the model that color, as no indoor lighting exactly duplicates either
the character or intensity of sunlight, and there are other variables
as well (e.g., small objects don't look the same as large objects
when painted the same color). Several of us yanked Todd's chain (in
a friendly way, of course) for trying to settle an argument about
color with a single slide, especially one where the color was so
obviously "off." He may well be right, but he needs more evidence
than a single slide to prove it, even it it were a better slide than
that one.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: PRR covered hoppers colors

Scott H. Haycock
 

Todd and all
The car behind the cab looks to be similar in color to the one on the right. It also looks to me that the exposure was metered off of the dark engine causing the image to be over exposed. This explains the glowing white shirt. I suspect that all the cars are actually darker than they appear in this image. A lso remember that age differences in the paint job, and weathering will change the appearance of freight cars. If you were to line up several cars of the same type and look at them under the same lighting conditions, no two would be exactly the same color.
Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Horton" <toddchorton@rocketmail.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 2:54:51 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] PRR covered hoppers colors






I'm speculating here, look at the hopper coupled to the one that is glowing white behind the locomotive cab. "IF" that's a PRR hopper then there's clearly different shades of these cars. Again, I'm purely speculating but I have to agree with you Mike. Everything that is close to white has that nuke effect to it.

Todd Horton


Re: PRR covered hoppers colors

Ed Hawkins
 

On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:54 PM, Todd Horton wrote:

I'm speculating here, look at the hopper coupled to the one that is
glowing white behind the locomotive cab. "IF" that's a PRR hopper then
there's clearly different shades of these cars. Again, I'm purely
speculating but I have to agree with you Mike. Everything that is
close to white has that nuke effect to it.
Todd,
I don't know if this at all germane to the issue. Original paint
samples from the ACF-built covered hopper cars reveal an incredibly
wide range of gray shades used from 1940 to 1952. I see no reason to
believe that variations in the shades of gray didn't continue with the
PS-2s built during the 1950s.

I have 4 gray paint samples for Missouri Pacific covered hoppers built
by ACF during the relatively short period of 1942 to 1948. Keeping in
mind this was a single railroad, the four shades of gray are not
remotely close.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: PRR covered hoppers colors

Bruce Smith
 

Mike,

Actually, I felt that the developing or exposure might not have been consistent across the image - there seems to be an edge effect to me



Regards

Bruce


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On Aug 13, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Mike Brock wrote:


Hmmm. Interesting photo. First, Tony and Richard may be correct that the
color is way off. Tony says:

"Todd, it's way green. Everything in the photo is greenish. That means the
dyes have shifted or that the light was funny when the photo was taken. The
color balance is readily corrected in Photoshop."

And, yet, everything in the photo that is "whitish" colored appears VERY
white...except the Pennsy hopper on the right. I mean, the guy who appears
to be standing on the diesel's pilot appears to have just returned from a
lengthy stay at Los Alamos. I suppose the light source COULD have influenced
some of the results. It is strange that the dyes in the photo where the
pilot guy is standing have changed while those where the rightmost hopper
car have not. It is almost as if someone has ALREADY altered the slide's
image.

That's not to say sunlight must be consistent across an image. I can well
recall waiting for ex-N&W 1218 up on the Shenandoah N&W line with clouds
moving very rapidly causing shadows to move as rapidly across my target
view. One second the image would be quite bright appearing, then half might
be in dark shadow, the other half very bright as another cloud moved by. I
lucked out, BTW. It IS noteworthy how dependent one is on mother nature when
shooting photos of any kind.

Mike Brock








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Re: PRR covered hoppers colors

Todd Horton
 

I'm speculating here, look at the hopper coupled to the one that is glowing white behind the locomotive cab. "IF" that's a PRR hopper then there's clearly different shades of these cars. Again, I'm purely speculating but I have to agree with you Mike. Everything that is close to white has that nuke effect to it.


Todd Horton


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From: Mike Brock <brockm@cfl.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] PRR covered hoppers colors


 


Hmmm. Interesting photo. First, Tony and Richard may be correct that the
color is way off. Tony says:

"Todd, it's way green. Everything in the photo is greenish. That means the
dyes have shifted or that the light was funny when the photo was taken. The
color balance is readily corrected in Photoshop."

And, yet, everything in the photo that is "whitish" colored appears VERY
white...except the Pennsy hopper on the right. I mean, the guy who appears
to be standing on the diesel's pilot appears to have just returned from a
lengthy stay at Los Alamos. I suppose the light source COULD have influenced
some of the results. It is strange that the dyes in the photo where the
pilot guy is standing have changed while those where the rightmost hopper
car have not. It is almost as if someone has ALREADY altered the slide's
image.

That's not to say sunlight must be consistent across an image. I can well
recall waiting for ex-N&W 1218 up on the Shenandoah N&W line with clouds
moving very rapidly causing shadows to move as rapidly across my target
view. One second the image would be quite bright appearing, then half might
be in dark shadow, the other half very bright as another cloud moved by. I
lucked out, BTW. It IS noteworthy how dependent one is on mother nature when
shooting photos of any kind.

Mike Brock


Re: PRR covered hoppers colors

Mikebrock
 

Hmmm. Interesting photo. First, Tony and Richard may be correct that the color is way off. Tony says:

"Todd, it's way green. Everything in the photo is greenish. That means the dyes have shifted or that the light was funny when the photo was taken. The color balance is readily corrected in Photoshop."

And, yet, everything in the photo that is "whitish" colored appears VERY white...except the Pennsy hopper on the right. I mean, the guy who appears to be standing on the diesel's pilot appears to have just returned from a lengthy stay at Los Alamos. I suppose the light source COULD have influenced some of the results. It is strange that the dyes in the photo where the pilot guy is standing have changed while those where the rightmost hopper car have not. It is almost as if someone has ALREADY altered the slide's image.

That's not to say sunlight must be consistent across an image. I can well recall waiting for ex-N&W 1218 up on the Shenandoah N&W line with clouds moving very rapidly causing shadows to move as rapidly across my target view. One second the image would be quite bright appearing, then half might be in dark shadow, the other half very bright as another cloud moved by. I lucked out, BTW. It IS noteworthy how dependent one is on mother nature when shooting photos of any kind.

Mike Brock


Re: are there any bozos in model railroading?

Scott H. Haycock
 

Wow! I haven't heard anyone mention Firesign Theater in years.
"Squeeze the wheeze"!
Scott Haycock

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nolan Hinshaw" <cearnog@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 12:13:20 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] are there any bozos in model railroading?

I'd hoped you were referring to a glorious Firesign Theater album,
something like "We're All Bozos On This Bus".--
"Not only is it not right, it's not even wrong!"
From Wolfgang Pauli, perpetrator of the Pauli Exclusion Principle






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Re: Scratchbuilding a Dreadnaught end door.

Gene Deimling
 

Scott
I just posted an example of an end door made using a vacuum-forming process. I have an extra bare plastic part that you can use to build up your end either for a project car or for casting.
Contact me off the list and we can arrange for the end part.

Keep in mind, you have to build up the frame around the doors and add hinges (Chooch) along with the locking bars (Chooch) to complete the end. The rivets are Tichy. If I were to do another end, I would use Archer decal rivets to save all the drilling.

Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills, CA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Scott" <repairman87@...> wrote:

What methods could be used to shape the corrugations on the end doors? I was thinking cutting out the shape of the ribs and rounding over the edges? Not sure what to do on the bottom of the ribs as they appear to be round.

This would be for O scale.

Thank you,
Scott McDonald


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N&W G3 data

Bill Lane
 

Could someone please reply directly with what the trust and repacked would
read for the mid 50s for a N&W G3 gondola? Would the trust data have still
been on the car by the mid 50s?



Thank You,
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Re: PRR covered hoppers colors

Todd Horton
 

Tom, I know what you mean with the lighting.  There's seems to always have been a debate about the color Kadee chose for their models. Regardless of the color being off there's creditable evidence here (at least in my eyes) that all the PRR cars weren't the almost snow white color seen to the right. I wasn't saying the photo was 100% correct I was pointing out the differences in the shades of the two cars.  


Todd Horton


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From: pullmanboss <pullmanboss@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 2:12 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: PRR covered hoppers colors


 

Todd Horton wrote:

When you say it's way off what do you mean?  I'm not familiar with photo shop. I see that the upper right corner is dark but everything seems normal.
See here:
http://www.pullmanproject.com/PRR%20Hoppers.jpg

Same location as the photo you cite (Martins Creek, PA), similar lighting conditions (lousy, late in the day, which is when 613 was often puttering around the Alpha Cement yard), don't have a Kadee PRR PS2 so can't comment on colors but I suspect the car on the right is the one you mean. Upper image is uncorrected, lower is corrected, take your pick on shades of gray paint - they're all over the map!

Tom Madden




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