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Re: CNJ boxcar question - this time with the link!

rwitt_2000
 

Steve,

If you are going to use them, another change I made was to build new
underframes to look more like the ARA ones. With the new UF, I shorten
the truck bolster to end sill distance from the usual 5'-6" to 5'-0"
that was common for the early ARA/X29 box cars and I lowered the car
body as it rode too high to allow clearance for the original talgo
trucks.

To my eye the CNJ box car in the link "rides" too high. Match the
distance from the bottom of the side sill to the top-of-the-rail as
indicated in PRR X29 diagram [2'-11-1/2"]

http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=x29_x29a.gif&sel=b\;
ox&sz=sm&fr=

Both modifications really change the "look" of the model.

In their era these models were the only thing we had in styrene that was
close to ARA/X29 box cars. The flawed model from Train-Miniature changed
that, but only the model from Red Caboose finally gave us an accurate
model.

Regards,

Bob Witt

Steven D Johnson wrote:

Thanks, Bob and Ben, for your comments. I want to keep these cars and
upgrade them, like that CNJ model in the photo. The concept of
taking old
AHM, etc. cars (as with the helium car that was discussed recently)
and
upgrading them is appealing to me. In this case, I think I'll just
use a
freelance road name on them.



Re: What am I missing here?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jim Yaworsky wrote:
I always see listings of rolling stock on Ebay at or higher than their original prices, for models that are currently on sale for sometimes substantially less, and still readily available either directly from Walthers or by ordering via one's friendly local hobby shop. I usually do the latter as then I don't even have to pay shipping.
Both on eBay and on Amazon, one routinely sees Signature Press books at well above their new prices--for books we have in stock, and will sell you as an individual with free shipping! Most of our 40-plus titles remain in print. The sellers must assume that potential buyers will not check around.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: What am I missing here?

Scott H. Haycock
 

I saw an Overland models modern diesel painted in the N&W Heritage scheme for about $4500.00! You could get into #1 gauge live steam for that kind of money.
Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Ehni" <behni@...>
To: "STMFC List" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:34:07 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] What am I missing here?






Obviously, you're not a PRO! And I'll bet you can spell "Vinager" (sic).

"BRASS EQUIVALENT Sunshine Models Vinager Tank Car PRO BUILT"

LOL!

Thanks!
--

Brian P. Ehni

From: Pierre < pierre.oliver@... >
Reply-To: STMFC List < STMFC@... >
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012 1:37 PM
To: STMFC List < STMFC@... >
Subject: [STMFC] What am I missing here?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRASS-EQUIVALENT-Sunshine-Models-Vinager-Tank-Car-PR
O-BUILT-/130749404092?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1e714593bc

Currently on Ebay. $750.00?
Now I know that the car in question has a certain mystique about it. It is
perceived to be more difficult to assemble than it really is. But really!
The kit is still in production and I doubt any custom builder would charge
that kind of rate to build this car. I know that I don't for the 4 I've
built.
Maybe it's time to revisit my building rates.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

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Westerfield Models Now Available Again.

dahminator68
 

Hello the Group:

My name is Andrew Dahm and I am the new owner of Westerfield Models.

As of August 15, we are taking new orders again. Please check out our website at westerfieldmodels.com. You can order through the website or download an order form on the home page and mail in your order.
You may also phone in orders to 303-658-9343.

The newest Kit, #12101, Rock Island B-2 Conversion Stock Car, is being finished up and will be available soon.

We are reworking a few old series, 3200, 3400, 4900, and 11000. These will also be available again soon.

Thank you,
Andrew Dahm
Westerfield Models, LLC


Re: What am I missing here?

Brian Ehni <behni@...>
 

Obviously, you're not a PRO! And I'll bet you can spell "Vinager" (sic).

"BRASS EQUIVALENT Sunshine Models Vinager Tank Car PRO BUILT"

LOL!


Thanks!
--

Brian P. Ehni

From: Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012 1:37 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] What am I missing here?






http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRASS-EQUIVALENT-Sunshine-Models-Vinager-Tank-Car-PR
O-BUILT-/130749404092?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1e714593bc

Currently on Ebay. $750.00?
Now I know that the car in question has a certain mystique about it. It is
perceived to be more difficult to assemble than it really is. But really!
The kit is still in production and I doubt any custom builder would charge
that kind of rate to build this car. I know that I don't for the 4 I've
built.
Maybe it's time to revisit my building rates.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com









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Re: What am I missing here?

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

John Hagen

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Craig Zeni
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 2:19 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] What am I missing here?


On Aug 17, 2012, at 2:47 PM, STMFC@... wrote:
5a. What am I missing here?
Posted by: "Pierre" pierre.oliver@... pierreoliver2003
Date: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:37 am ((PDT))

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRASS-EQUIVALENT-Sunshine-Models-Vinager-Tank-Car-PR
O-BUILT-/130749404092?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1e714593bc

Currently on Ebay. $750.00?
Now I know that the car in question has a certain mystique about it. It is
perceived to be more difficult to assemble than it really is. But really!
The kit is still in production and I doubt any custom builder would charge
that kind of rate to build this car. I know that I don't for the 4 I've
built.
Maybe it's time to revisit my building rates.
Saw that. Was perplexed. Presumed that the owner's spousal unit told him
to sell some trains or some such.and he can now say, "Look it's on Ebay."

And I bet you'd get the end decals on straight :)


Craig Zeni
"Bother..." said Pooh as he chambered another round.





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Re: What am I missing here?

NHJJ4@...
 

At least he wont charge to ship it to U LOL

Jim Evans

In a message dated 8/17/2012 12:18:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
clzeni@... writes:


On Aug 17, 2012, at 2:47 PM, STMFC@... wrote:
5a. What am I missing here?
Posted by: "Pierre" pierre.oliver@... pierreoliver2003
Date: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:37 am ((PDT))

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRASS-EQUIVALENT-Sunshine-Models-Vinager-Tank-Car-PRO-BUILT-/130749404092?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1e714593bc

Currently on Ebay. $750.00?
Now I know that the car in question has a certain mystique about it. It
is perceived to be more difficult to assemble than it really is. But really!
The kit is still in production and I doubt any custom builder would
charge that kind of rate to build this car. I know that I don't for the 4 I've
built.
Maybe it's time to revisit my building rates.
Saw that. Was perplexed. Presumed that the owner's spousal unit told him
to sell some trains or some such…and he can now say, "Look it's on Ebay…"

And I bet you'd get the end decals on straight :)


Craig Zeni
"Bother..." said Pooh as he chambered another round.





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Re: What am I missing here?

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Craig,
I do try to get all the decals on straight all the time.
Hadn't even looked at the end photo until you mentioned it.
LOL
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@..., Craig Zeni <clzeni@...> wrote:


On Aug 17, 2012, at 2:47 PM, STMFC@... wrote:
5a. What am I missing here?
Posted by: "Pierre" pierre.oliver@... pierreoliver2003
Date: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:37 am ((PDT))

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRASS-EQUIVALENT-Sunshine-Models-Vinager-Tank-Car-PRO-BUILT-/130749404092?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1e714593bc

Currently on Ebay. $750.00?
Now I know that the car in question has a certain mystique about it. It is perceived to be more difficult to assemble than it really is. But really!
The kit is still in production and I doubt any custom builder would charge that kind of rate to build this car. I know that I don't for the 4 I've built.
Maybe it's time to revisit my building rates.
Saw that. Was perplexed. Presumed that the owner's spousal unit told him to sell some trains or some such…and he can now say, "Look it's on Ebay…"

And I bet you'd get the end decals on straight :)


Craig Zeni
"Bother..." said Pooh as he chambered another round.


Re: What am I missing here?

Craig Zeni
 

On Aug 17, 2012, at 2:47 PM, STMFC@... wrote:
5a. What am I missing here?
Posted by: "Pierre" pierre.oliver@... pierreoliver2003
Date: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:37 am ((PDT))

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRASS-EQUIVALENT-Sunshine-Models-Vinager-Tank-Car-PRO-BUILT-/130749404092?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1e714593bc

Currently on Ebay. $750.00?
Now I know that the car in question has a certain mystique about it. It is perceived to be more difficult to assemble than it really is. But really!
The kit is still in production and I doubt any custom builder would charge that kind of rate to build this car. I know that I don't for the 4 I've built.
Maybe it's time to revisit my building rates.
Saw that. Was perplexed. Presumed that the owner's spousal unit told him to sell some trains or some such…and he can now say, "Look it's on Ebay…"

And I bet you'd get the end decals on straight :)


Craig Zeni
"Bother..." said Pooh as he chambered another round.


Re: What am I missing here?

James Yaworsky
 

I like to keep tabs on a weekly basis on what Walthers has on sale for my favorite railroad. I also check Ebay regularly to see what's available.

I always see listings of rolling stock on Ebay at or higher than their original prices, for models that are currently on sale for sometimes substantially less, and still readily available either directly from Walthers or by ordering via one's friendly local hobby shop. I usually do the latter as then I don't even have to pay shipping.

Strange.

Jim Yaworsky


Re: Main Line of Mid-America

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Phooey! Every Illinois Central car listed on the Landmesser hot box list is found in the April 1947 ORER meaning that any IC freight car appearing on my September 1950 layout would have had to have been repainted in 1948, 1949 or the first 8 months of 1950 for it to carry the Main Line of Mid-America slogan. Not too likely considering that at least 12 of the 34 cars listed are of composite construction. Ah well, only one decal on hand that can't be used.
Gene Green


Re: CNJ boxcar question - this time with the link!

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Armand Premo" <armprem2@...> wrote:
Speaking of CNJ boxcars,does any one know of any current offering for this,or CRP cars ?Armand Premo
CNJ had single sheathed cars similar to the Accurail single sheathed box cars with 6 diagonals (photo in the NMRA book), USRA single sheathed box cars and X29 sized steel box cars with flat ends and Hutchens roofs (photo also in the NMRA book). Vic Roseman made a model of these later cars by combining a Red Caboose body with an Accurail roof. Plans and builders photos for these cars appear in at least one CBC and in a Trainshed reprint.

Years ago I built a model of these small steel box cars using a Train miniature body and doors and Walthers soft metal cast roof ribs.
The Walthers decal with curved "Central Railroad of New Jersey" was very nice (Westerfield's decal for the USRA box car is even better).

I think Sunshine has kits for a taller, X28 sized door and a half, flat ended box car and a steel box car with early inproved drednaught ends (maybe with CRP decals).

Ed Mines


Re: What am I missing here?

Paul Koehler <buygone@...>
 

Pierre:



Having acquired one of your built cars which is excellent by the way. I
also was wondering about the get in price of the model.



Paul C. Koehler



_____

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:38 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] What am I missing here?





http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRASS-EQUIVALENT-Sunshine-Models-Vinager-Tank-Car-PR
O-BUILT-/130749404092?pt=Model_RR_Trains
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRASS-EQUIVALENT-Sunshine-Models-Vinager-Tank-Car-P
RO-BUILT-/130749404092?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1e714593bc>
&hash=item1e714593bc

Currently on Ebay. $750.00?
Now I know that the car in question has a certain mystique about it. It is
perceived to be more difficult to assemble than it really is. But really!
The kit is still in production and I doubt any custom builder would charge
that kind of rate to build this car. I know that I don't for the 4 I've
built.
Maybe it's time to revisit my building rates.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com


Re: Main Line of Mid-America

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Thank you Don Burn, Ray Breyer and Ed Hawkins for answering my questions. I am often astonished and always very pleased at the quality of answers received from this group.

For my September 1950 modeling purposes I'll have to restrict the use of the slogan to those few models which represent cars built after adoption of the slogan.

Gene Green


Re: What am I missing here?

Mike Fleming
 

I believe P. T. Barnum once said "There's one born every day." In this case its the seller who is asking that much but that could change to the sucker-I mean buyer that would pay that much.


Mike Fleming
Superintendent, Bluff City Div. SER, NMRA
President Emeritus, Memphis Society of Model Railroaders
Vice President, Memphis Railroad and Trolley Museum Inc.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...>
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] What am I missing here?
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 18:37:47 -0000

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRASS-EQUIVALENT-Sunshine-Models-Vinager-Tank-Car-PRO-BUILT-/130749404092?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1e714593bc

Currently on Ebay. $750.00?
Now I know that the car in question has a certain mystique about it. It is perceived to be more difficult to assemble than it really is. But really!
The kit is still in production and I doubt any custom builder would charge that kind of rate to build this car. I know that I don't for the 4 I've built.
Maybe it's time to revisit my building rates.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com




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What am I missing here?

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRASS-EQUIVALENT-Sunshine-Models-Vinager-Tank-Car-PRO-BUILT-/130749404092?pt=Model_RR_Trains&hash=item1e714593bc

Currently on Ebay. $750.00?
Now I know that the car in question has a certain mystique about it. It is perceived to be more difficult to assemble than it really is. But really!
The kit is still in production and I doubt any custom builder would charge that kind of rate to build this car. I know that I don't for the 4 I've built.
Maybe it's time to revisit my building rates.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com


Re: ARA/AAR Car Construction Classifications

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Guy Wilber <guycwilber@...> wrote:

Class E (4). All wood equipped with metal draft arms extending 24 in. or more beyond center line of body bolster, and with body bolster of sufficient strength to transmit buffing and pulling shocks to all longitudinal sills.

Class F. All wood.


As you can see; I mis-spoke earlier today regarding the use of a bottom or top plate within the E-4 description.


The E-4 class was originally slated to be prohibited in interchange on, and after, January 1, 1934. This date was subsequently advanced to January 1, 1936 by the ARA's Arbitration Committee. Shortly thereafter, in a rare action, the Arbitration Committee submitted the proposals prohibiting both Type "F" and "E-4" classes to the membership of the ARA on June 27, 1934. The voting to prohibit all wood construction (Type "F") passed overwhelmingly, thus Type "F" construction was prohibited in interchange on January 1, 1935 with no further extension granted.

The then proposed deadline of January 1, 1936 for cars of Type "E-4" construction, via membership vote (1,893 yes, 329 no) was also confirmed. Despite the voting results, the negative voters petitioned the ARA's General Committee for a further extension. An extension up to April 1, 1937 was granted, but was moved back to January 1, 1937. No further extensions were requested, nor granted, and cars of Type "E-4" construction were prohibited in interchange on and after January 1, 1937.


Guy Wilber
Sparks, Nevada
Thanks Guy. That does explain why photos of these cars are so rare... I don't think anyone in Soo Line land owned a camera before 1935 :-)

I remember looking at the builder's General Arrangement drawing looking for steel center sills, or auxiliary sills between the bolsters, and not finding any, but I don't recall what the draft sills were. However, I do remember that I had seen a copy of the card from the Mech. Dept. card file for one of these cars, and it specifically stated, "Draft Sills: Wood." So as built, these were class F cars. The interesting thing is rebuilding with steel draft sills only gained an additional two years of interchange service. Actually, these cars were a terrible investment; they were only twenty years old when banned from interchange in 1937, and the story of why they were purchased is something I'd really like to find, but so far, no luck.

More interesting is why, if these cars were not suitable for interchange in 1937, what are two of them doing on a 1962 roster document, marked "For Retirement"? That's only twenty five years after they could no longer be loaded off line. Checking a couple editions of the ORER I have show that the number of cars remaining from these two series was:

1953: 13 boxcars and 6 auto cars;
1958: three of each;
1962: the two for retirement listed on the roster

Two thoughts come to mind:

1) The E-4 designation is an error, and the cars had actually received full length steel sill reinforcements, either with or without cover plates, and so were actually class E-2 or E-3. This is essentially what the Soo had done to their entire wood caboose fleet during the twenties. The one in-service photo of one of the automobile cars has a 1924 weigh date, so is too early to provide any answers.

2) The cars were only E-4 grade, but were assigned to the Stores Dept. and didn't go off line. A lot of the 1932 AAR cars ended up this way in the seventies, still carrying revenue service road numbers, but stenciled for Stores Dept. service to keep them from being given to a shipper for loading.

I believe the equipment card file still exists in the society archives. I'm going to e-mail and see if the cards for the two car numbers listed for retirement in 1962 still exist. If so, maybe they will tell what improvements were made to the underframe to keep them in service so long.

Dennis


Re: Main Line of Mid-America

Ed Hawkins
 

On Aug 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Gene wrote:

When did the Illinois Central first use the slogan "Main Line of
Mid-America?"
Gene,
Per IC marking arrangement drawing T426, dated 2-6-41, applicable to IC
40' box cars, stencil #529 (Mainline of Mid-America) was added per
revision D on 12-3-47. This was in accordance with an IC letter dated
11-18-47. A copy of this drawing is available from the Museum of
Transportation.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Branchline Blueprint 40' boxcar fate

Jim Hayes
 

Branchline's 1937 AAR boxcars are the only Yardmaster. All others are
Blueprint.

https://secure.atlasrr.com/mod1/items.asp?Cc=HT120&iTpStatus=0&Tp=&Bc=

Jim


Re: Branchline Blueprint 40' boxcar fate

Daniel McConnachie <dmcconnachie@...>
 

Weird? Different is a word I would use rather than weird. Makes modelling them interesting given that they are not cookie cutter versions of US cars!
 
Daniel McConnachie
Retired Head of Music
Stouffville District Secondary School


________________________________
From: al_brown03 <abrown@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:26:58 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Branchline Blueprint 40' boxcar fate


 
IIRC Branchline's postwar boxcars, like the ACF/URTX reefers, were in the Blueprint series.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Hoxie" <stevehprr@...> wrote:

Atlas has listed in their online catalog several of these kits, but no undecs. See

https://secure.atlasrr.com/mod1/items.asp?Cc=H994&iTpStatus=0&Tp=&Bc=

I believe these are Blueprint cars, but they may be from the Yardmaster series. I just received a couple of ACF/URTX reefers from Atlas; they came in Branchline boxes.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

--- In STMFC@..., cjbennett@ wrote:

To anyone's knowledge, has Atlas released or announced intention to release cars from the Branchline Blueprint 40', 10'-6" boxcar tooling ? I have built a few of these (Branchline) and loved the seperate ends, roof and doors. Great for all the weird Canadian cars I want anyone know what they will call these if the do make them?

Chris Bennett

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