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Re: RE the vinegar car

Charlie Vlk
 

Judging by how many of them made it to railroad museums, I would guess they
were in service well into the 60's, if not later. A perusal of equipment
registries would give a definitive picture of how long they lasted.

Charlie Vlk



Good evening all -

The ridiculous eBay price aside, how late would such a car have lasted in
service?

I just joined this list about a month ago, and thus far its made for
fascinating reading (case in point - the helium car), so thanks to all for
that.

Paolo Roffod


Re: RE the vinegar car

erict1361 <erict1361@...>
 

Paolo,

I have the SS Models PDS for this Kit. Photo's show cars in use into the mid 1960's. As far as I know, what ever cars that were sill in use ran into the Late 1960's. James Kinkaid's Color Tank car guide Vol. 1 shows on page 122, NFPX in use at least till late 1970.

I Hope this answered your question?

As far as the Price on eBay: " Why Buy Gold, Invest in Sunshine Model's Kits " !


Eric Thur

--- In STMFC@..., "pennsy3750" <paolo.roffo@...> wrote:

Good evening all -

The ridiculous eBay price aside, how late would such a car have lasted in service?

I just joined this list about a month ago, and thus far its made for fascinating reading (case in point - the helium car), so thanks to all for that.

Paolo Roffo


Re: USRA Cabooses

Armand Premo
 

Bill,Not familiar with the specific roads that you mentioned,but I have built four CV and one StJ& LC and plan to build a Grand Trunk.They are really not bad kits .With some care in construction and a few added details they become a fairly good rendition.Armand Premo

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From: lnbill
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 9:58 PM
Subject: [STMFC] USRA Cabooses



I just noticed Funaro & Camerlengo offers USRA cabooses with kits for the New York Central and Ulster & Delaware. The Clinchfield also owned these. I am curious if anyone on the list has built one of these kits and can comment on their build-ability and faithfulness to the prototype? Thanks!

Bill Welch


Re: RE the vinegar car

tmolsen@...
 

There was another photo of one of these cars, #SBIX-1643, in the consist of an eastbound Conrail train on the B&A east of West Springfield Massachusetts in 1984 that was posted on the list by Tim O'Conner a while back.

One of these cars, #SBIX-1634, is preserved in the National Museum of Transport in East St. Louis, Missouri.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292


Re: Branchline Blueprint 40' boxcar fate

Andy Harman
 

At 06:34 PM 8/17/2012 -0700, you wrote:
150-B1901 Branchline Blueprint Series 50' Welded-Side Boxcar w/9' Door - Kit (Plastic) -- Norfolk & Western (Delivery Scheme, Boxcar Red)
This car is dead on *if* you get a couple of Kadee 9' thin-frame doors to replace the thick frame doors that come with the kit.

Andy


Re: USRA Cabooses

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Bill,



Thanks for posting. That is an excellent piece giving all the information
needed to build/detail a USRA caboose and general caboose wood construction
practice in the WW1 time frame.



John Hagen



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
lnbill
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 9:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: USRA Cabooses





Here s a link I found with specs and drawing of the USRA caboose. Sweet!

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/stevec/MLS-Topic-Article/RollingStock/Caboo
se/USRA-StdCabooseCar-1919.pdf

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "lnbill"
<fgexbill@...> wrote:

I just noticed Funaro & Camerlengo offers USRA cabooses with kits for the
New York Central and Ulster & Delaware. The Clinchfield also owned these. I
am curious if anyone on the list has built one of these kits and can comment
on their build-ability and faithfulness to the prototype? Thanks!

Bill Welch


Re: RE the vinegar car

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

I sent Paolo (off-list) a Clyde King photo of SBIX #1651...
at West Oakland CA in April 1974. long past this list's Steam-Era focus.

Gene Deimling has a B&W shot of the same car in Perris CA...
but I don't have (or neglected to note) a date.

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 07:57 PM 8/17/2012, Brian Paul Ehni wrote:
While I didn't take a picture of it, I once saw one at the Speas vinegar
plant in Houston, TX, in the mid 60's. This plant was located very near
Eureka Junction, where the MKT yard was, and the SP Dallas line split off
from the Sunset Route.

--
Thanks!

Brian Paul Ehni

From: pennsy3750 <paolo.roffo@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012 8:51 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] RE the vinegar car

Good evening all -
The ridiculous eBay price aside, how late would such a car have lasted in
service?

I just joined this list about a month ago, and thus far its made for
fascinating reading (case in point - the helium car), so thanks to all for
that.

Paolo Roffo


Re: RE the vinegar car

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

While I didn't take a picture of it, I once saw one at the Speas vinegar
plant in Houston, TX, in the mid 60's. This plant was located very near
Eureka Junction, where the MKT yard was, and the SP Dallas line split off
from the Sunset Route.

--
Thanks!

Brian Paul Ehni

From: pennsy3750 <paolo.roffo@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012 8:51 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] RE the vinegar car






Good evening all -

The ridiculous eBay price aside, how late would such a car have lasted in
service?

I just joined this list about a month ago, and thus far its made for
fascinating reading (case in point - the helium car), so thanks to all for
that.

Paolo Roffo


Re: USRA Cabooses

Bill Welch
 

Here s a link I found with specs and drawing of the USRA caboose. Sweet!

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/stevec/MLS-Topic-Article/RollingStock/Caboose/USRA-StdCabooseCar-1919.pdf

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I just noticed Funaro & Camerlengo offers USRA cabooses with kits for the New York Central and Ulster & Delaware. The Clinchfield also owned these. I am curious if anyone on the list has built one of these kits and can comment on their build-ability and faithfulness to the prototype? Thanks!

Bill Welch


USRA Cabooses

Bill Welch
 

I just noticed Funaro & Camerlengo offers USRA cabooses with kits for the New York Central and Ulster & Delaware. The Clinchfield also owned these. I am curious if anyone on the list has built one of these kits and can comment on their build-ability and faithfulness to the prototype? Thanks!

Bill Welch


RE the vinegar car

Paolo Roffo
 

Good evening all -

The ridiculous eBay price aside, how late would such a car have lasted in service?

I just joined this list about a month ago, and thus far its made for fascinating reading (case in point - the helium car), so thanks to all for that.

Paolo Roffo


Re: C&O and Erie 1937 box car Repaints

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Schuyler.larrabee wrote:
The ends of ERIE box cars were covered with black car cement, and didn't get painted for years. Roofs got the same treatment.
Interesting point. When I interviewed Earl Hopkins, retired PFE Chief Mechanical Officer, he said that PFE had usually painted roofs and ends which had car cement coatings (car cement "out of the can" was black, but the PFE paint scheme was boxcar red roofs and ends), and right after World War II tried a tinted car cement to be boxcar red (or thereabouts). He told me that it had not worked out very well. After a lot of fussing with the color, they gave up and began just painting the car cement, partly because they didn't like the matte finish of the car cement and its dirt accumulation. By the time PFE changed to black car ends, about 1960, they were no longer using car cement.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: C&O and Erie 1937 box car Repaints

Schuyler Larrabee
 

The ends of ERIE box cars were covered with black car cement, and didn't get
painted for years. Roofs got the same treatment.



SGL



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 8:48 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] C&O and Erie 1937 box car Repaints





On Aug 17, 2012, at 4:38 PM, WaltGCox@... <mailto:WaltGCox%40aol.com>
wrote:

When C&O and Erie 1937 AAR box cars with Viking roofs were
repainted into
the C&O for Progress and the larger diamond paint schemes were the
black
ends, roofs, trucks and underbodies repainted the same color as the
rest of
the car or did they remain black?
Walt, I can't answer your question about the C&O cars, but both new
and repainted Erie box cars continued to have black roofs and ends
for some years after the large diamond heralds were introduced -
certainly well into the 1950s.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Branchline Blueprint 40' boxcar fate

albyrno
 

Walthers lists them under ATLAS
 Alan
 
 
 
 
 
 
150-B1416 Branchline Blueprint Series AAR 40' Postwar Boxcar w/6' Door - Kit (Plastic) -- Illinois Central (Boxcar Red, Mainline of Mid-America Slogan) HO 17.98 N TBA
150-B1417 Branchline Blueprint Series AAR 40' Postwar Boxcar w/6' Door - Kit (Plastic) -- Illinois Terminal (Boxcar Red) HO 15.98 N TBA
150-B1506 Branchline Blueprint Series AAR 40' Postwar Boxcar w/8' Door - Kit (Plastic) -- Illinois Central (Boxcar Red, Mainline of Mid-America Slogan) HO 15.98 N TBA
150-B1901 Branchline Blueprint Series 50' Welded-Side Boxcar w/9' Door - Kit (Plastic) -- Norfolk & Western (Delivery Scheme, Boxcar Red) HO 15.98 N
find it Sold Out
150-B8043 Branchline Blueprint Series 1937 AAR 40' Boxcar - Kit (Plastic) -- Wabash (Boxcar Red, Flag Logo) HO



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From: "cjbennett@..." <cjbennett@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 5:21 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Branchline Blueprint 40' boxcar fate



 

To anyone's knowledge, has Atlas released or announced intention to release cars from the Branchline Blueprint 40', 10'-6" boxcar tooling ? I have built a few of these (Branchline) and loved the seperate ends, roof and doors. Great for all the weird Canadian cars I want anyone know what they will call these if the do make them?

Chris Bennett




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Re: C&O and Erie 1937 box car Repaints

WaltGCox@...
 

In a message dated 8/17/2012 9:00:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
scottp459@... writes:




When I was reviewing a lot of C&O box car photos, I got the impression
that in the Progress-logo era (starting 1948) many repaints didn't get black
ends. Yet new "red" / "brown" cars were continuing to come, at least from
Pullman-Standard, with black ends for many years.
Usually I couldn't see enough to judge about the roofs or underbodies. For
my models, I went with all-one-color.
But I do recall a funky older-than-1937-design box car-- which shows up on
a video which includes a bit of rare steam action in color from the
mid-1950s-- which clearly had black ends.

Scott Pitzer

--- In _STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...) ,
WaltGCox@... wrote:

When C&O and Erie 1937 AAR box cars with Viking roofs were repainted
into
the C&O for Progress and the larger diamond paint schemes were the black
ends, roofs, trucks and underbodies repainted the same color as the rest
of
the car or did they remain black?
Walt

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Re: BRANCH PIP[E "TEES" FOR BRAKE SYSTEM

Guy Wilber
 

Bill Pardie asked:





"It seems that most brake systems in the 20's and 30's used a regular 'TEE" fitting to route
the air flow to the KD or AB brake system. Later (in the 40's) a special "TEE" was used
that routed the air off the topside of the air line and angled it down to the AB brake
system. Does anyone know when the latter came into widespread use?"


Bill,

The "Improved Branch Pipe Tee" was an integral part of the "AB" brake system. All cars built new after September 1, 1933 would have been so equipped as well as rebuilt cars after August 1, 1937.

Early on, many roads likely used the existing "K" brake branch line tee, but it was less expensive to purchase the entire "AB" kit which would have included the new tee. After September 1, 1942 all new and rebuilt cars were also required to be equipped with extra heavy 1 1/4" pipe (trainline) which was also a product of the original "AB" system.

It was "recommended" that cars built prior to September 1, 1933 when receiving new "AB" brakes receive the heavy train line as well, but the use of the existing lighter pipe and tee was probably more prominent due to cost and shortage of the heavy pipe throughout the war and for several years thereafter. The shortage of pipe of all sizes was one of the factors considered when the requirement for "AB" brakes was extended after the war.

The new tee was machined with flanged unions which were designed to reduce air leakage due to train vibrations. The heavy pipe allowed both nipples and other connections to be tightened without distorting the pipe which also led to leakage problems within older "K" systems.


Guy Wilber
Sparks, Nevada















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Re: C&O and Erie 1937 box car Repaints

Scott Pitzer
 

When I was reviewing a lot of C&O box car photos, I got the impression that in the Progress-logo era (starting 1948) many repaints didn't get black ends. Yet new "red" / "brown" cars were continuing to come, at least from Pullman-Standard, with black ends for many years.
Usually I couldn't see enough to judge about the roofs or underbodies. For my models, I went with all-one-color.
But I do recall a funky older-than-1937-design box car-- which shows up on a video which includes a bit of rare steam action in color from the mid-1950s-- which clearly had black ends.

Scott Pitzer

--- In STMFC@..., WaltGCox@... wrote:

When C&O and Erie 1937 AAR box cars with Viking roofs were repainted into
the C&O for Progress and the larger diamond paint schemes were the black
ends, roofs, trucks and underbodies repainted the same color as the rest of
the car or did they remain black?
Walt

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Re: C&O and Erie 1937 box car Repaints

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 17, 2012, at 4:38 PM, WaltGCox@... wrote:

When C&O and Erie 1937 AAR box cars with Viking roofs were
repainted into
the C&O for Progress and the larger diamond paint schemes were the
black
ends, roofs, trucks and underbodies repainted the same color as the
rest of
the car or did they remain black?
Walt, I can't answer your question about the C&O cars, but both new
and repainted Erie box cars continued to have black roofs and ends
for some years after the large diamond heralds were introduced -
certainly well into the 1950s.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Westerfield Models Now Available Again.

Scott
 

I placed an order on the 15th. Been waiting a long time to add another BX-12 raised roof to the fleet.

I live in Colorado where Westerfield is now located and the website over charged me $0.18 in tax. I had no idea, but Andrew sent an email to refund the $0.18 which really warmed my heart.

So for those 18 pennies he will get a repeat customer.

Scott McDonald

--- In STMFC@..., "Scott H. Haycock " <shhaycock@...> wrote:

Great news, Andrew
These models are some of the mainstays of our hobby.


And thanks go to Al for bring us these models. Enjoy your retirement!


Scott Haycock


C&O and Erie 1937 box car Repaints

WaltGCox@...
 

When C&O and Erie 1937 AAR box cars with Viking roofs were repainted into
the C&O for Progress and the larger diamond paint schemes were the black
ends, roofs, trucks and underbodies repainted the same color as the rest of
the car or did they remain black?
Walt

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