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C&EI Waybill

Charles Hostetler <cesicjh@...>
 

For those interested, I've posted an image and some information regarding a C&EI prototype waybill at:

http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2012/08/chicago-eastern-illinois-coal-waybill.html

The form has pre-printed information that is designed to get hoppers of coal from the C&EI's mines in West Frankfort Ill. to a Rail to Water Transfer facility on the south side of Chicago, and ultimately to the Oak Creek power plant just south of Milwaukee.

There's an abbreviation in the Carload Traffic Instructions box which reads "L F V C". I think this means loaded to full visible capacity, and I was hoping someone might be able to confirm this.

Thanks and Regards,

Charles Hostetler


Apology was Re: Re: PRR covered hoppers colors

SUVCWORR@...
 

My apologies to Mike and the list for posting after the topic had been terminated. I was going through nearly 2000 e-mails after being without e-mail for 2+ weeks and responded before getting to the termination notice. If I must go to jail, I understand the need to enforce the rules.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: SUVCWORR <SUVCWORR@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:24 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: PRR covered hoppers colors



Sorry for the late response. Just returned from a 3 week jaunt with no e-mail
access.

It appears to me that the light is low on the horizon and coming from the nw or
wnw assuming the photographer is facing north. This results in a harsh
afternoon sun directly on the car to the left while the car to the right is
blocked by the loco. This results in an over exposure of the car to the left
and underexposure of the car to the right. None of which negates the idea that
the gray color of PRR covered hoppers post 1954 varied mostly because of
weathering and sun bleaching.

Rich Orr


Re: PRR covered hoppers colors

SUVCWORR@...
 

Sorry for the late response. Just returned from a 3 week jaunt with no e-mail access.

It appears to me that the light is low on the horizon and coming from the nw or wnw assuming the photographer is facing north. This results in a harsh afternoon sun directly on the car to the left while the car to the right is blocked by the loco. This results in an over exposure of the car to the left and underexposure of the car to the right. None of which negates the idea that the gray color of PRR covered hoppers post 1954 varied mostly because of weathering and sun bleaching.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Horton <toddchorton@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:40 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: PRR covered hoppers colors


So would this account for the hopper car being dark while the guy riding the
footboards have a glowing white shirt? I've looked at this pic numerous times.
I'm not trying to use it for a painting guide for PRR PS-2's. I'm looking at
this as a photo showing that all PRR covered hoppers weren't snow white in
color. I know that Kadee caught some flack because of the color choice they made
for their offerings.

If I'm reading this correctly then everything to the left of the guy riding the
foot boards could have been developed darker than normal. Is that wrong or right
in my assumption?

Todd Horton


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From: soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 6:03 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: PRR covered hoppers colors







--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com, "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:

Mike,

Actually, I felt that the developing or exposure might not have been
consistent across the image - there seems to be an edge effect to me

Regards

Bruce
Actually, the dark corners are familiar to anyone who carried an Argus C-2 back
in the fifties and sixties... that camera consistently underexposed the corners
and ends of a 35mm frame.

Dennis








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Tom Madden
 

I don't like bringing sad news to the STMFC, nor do I want this list to become a tribute or obituary forum. But sometimes, Attention Must Be Paid.

Chuck Yungkurth's wife, Mary, passed away on Friday. She was 82 and under hospice care for pancreatic cancer. Those of you who know Chuck, or who have benefitted from his many contributions to the hobby over the past 60+ years, might wish to beam some positive and caring thoughts his way.

Tom Madden


Re: USRA Cabooses

Bill Welch
 

Thank you to all that responded to my query about the F&C USRA cabooses. I have five photos of these cars but did not realize what their origins were. FWIW, it is possible to model all 3 groups of cabooses owned by the Clinchfield in HO, using the F&C kit, Atlas's steel cab and a ATSF design available in styrene and brass. The CRR applied a proprietary design sill step, offered in resin (I have forgotten by who). I have 3 sets. Instead of yellow, they painted their sill steps, and grabs and railings aluminum.

The CRR owned 3 USRA designs, the 50-ton SS boxcar, the 50-ton 2-bay hooper as well as the cabooses. These cars often carried CC&O reporting marks into the 1950's. They also owned examples of the USRA 2-8-8-2.

More FWIW, with the coming availability of the Alternate offset twin hopper, with the exception of one group of offset twins, it will be possible to model in styrene or resin all of the freight cars owned by the Clinchfield up until at least 1955. Pretty sweet for a fairly small, albeit big-time RR.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Hunter, James R." <jhunter@...> wrote:

Bill,

I built two of the F&C kits for my own (hypothetical, free lance
prototype)railroad, and I found the kits to be relatively easy to do.
I used one of those special clamps for 90 degree corners, and I added a
few details, like a brass casting smoke jack.

However, the kits that I bought had end platforms designed for
passenger car type steps, and I wanted to install tender-type steps.
Sharon was gracious in supplying me with the steps I wanted, and I
filled in the space that would have been taken up by the passenger
steps.

Jim Hunter


Quoting lnbill <fgexbill@...>:

I just noticed Funaro & Camerlengo offers USRA cabooses with kits for
the New York Central and Ulster & Delaware. The Clinchfield also
owned these. I am curious if anyone on the list has built one of
these kits and can comment on their build-ability and faithfulness to
the prototype? Thanks!

Bill Welch


Re: Freight Cars On eBay

Paul Koehler <buygone@...>
 

Scott:



I can ship up to three kits for the $15.00 charge and they are shipped
Priority Mail with a tracking number.



bgtreasures

Paul C. Koehler



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Scott
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 10:21 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Freight Cars On eBay





I saw those but they want $15.00 for shipping and I refuse to pay that.

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
<tmolsen@...> wrote:

Speaking of freight car kits on eBay, did anyone notice that there are a
large group of sunshine kits up for sale, some of which close today?

The seller is "bgtreasures" who lists cars frequently. One of my
California buddies told me that the cars that are up are part of Paul Lyon's
collection.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re: Freight Cars On eBay

Scott
 

I saw those but they want $15.00 for shipping and I refuse to pay that.

--- In STMFC@..., <tmolsen@...> wrote:

Speaking of freight car kits on eBay, did anyone notice that there are a large group of sunshine kits up for sale, some of which close today?

The seller is "bgtreasures" who lists cars frequently. One of my California buddies told me that the cars that are up are part of Paul Lyon's collection.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Freight Cars On eBay

tmolsen@...
 

Speaking of freight car kits on eBay, did anyone notice that there are a large group of sunshine kits up for sale, some of which close today?

The seller is "bgtreasures" who lists cars frequently. One of my California buddies told me that the cars that are up are part of Paul Lyon's collection.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re: InterMountain PS-1 Western Pacific

Scott H. Haycock
 

Mark,
Kadee makes the trucks and Plano makes the roofwalk, both available from Walthers.
Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark M" <bnonut@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 9:19:14 PM
Subject: [STMFC] InterMountain PS-1 Western Pacific






Recently purchased this car and found this boxcar needs morton roofwalk and ASF A3.

Car # 20972. What choice of trucks would be best for this one, please?

Mark Morgan


InterMountain PS-1 Western Pacific

Mark
 

Recently purchased this car and found this boxcar needs morton roofwalk and ASF A3.

Car # 20972. What choice of trucks would be best for this one, please?

Mark Morgan


Re: Main Line of Mid-America

Ray Breyer
 

Walt,


The split rail scheme was adopted in January, 1967. FAR too new for you or this list!

 
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


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From: "WaltGCox@..." <WaltGCox@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Main Line of Mid-America

I was wondering when the "split rail" herald first appeared on IC box  cars
and how quickly it was applied to 1937 and 1937 modified box cars. I model 
the summer of 1959.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Main Line of Mid-America

Walter Cox
 

I was wondering when the "split rail" herald first appeared on IC box cars
and how quickly it was applied to 1937 and 1937 modified box cars. I model
the summer of 1959.

On Aug 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Gene wrote:

When did the Illinois Central first use the slogan "Main Line of
Mid-America?


Re: USRA Cabooses

naptownprr
 

Bill,

I built two of the F&C kits for my own (hypothetical, free lance prototype)railroad, and I found the kits to be relatively easy to do. I used one of those special clamps for 90 degree corners, and I added a few details, like a brass casting smoke jack.

However, the kits that I bought had end platforms designed for passenger car type steps, and I wanted to install tender-type steps. Sharon was gracious in supplying me with the steps I wanted, and I filled in the space that would have been taken up by the passenger steps.

Jim Hunter


Quoting lnbill <fgexbill@...>:

I just noticed Funaro & Camerlengo offers USRA cabooses with kits for
the New York Central and Ulster & Delaware. The Clinchfield also
owned these. I am curious if anyone on the list has built one of
these kits and can comment on their build-ability and faithfulness to
the prototype? Thanks!

Bill Welch


freight car models on ebay

ed_mines
 

I would think ebay is a good place for custom builders to troll for customers. Some people do have a lot more money than others and are willing to pay asking prices when the see something that they like. Would you object if someone paid you more than the usual asking price?

I see several overpriced Ambroid kits every time I go to ebay - for crappy kits that were hard to build and later became available in plastic. Anyone else ever build the ACF covered hopper? With the screen roof walk?

It looks like some dealers put the entire inventory of their basement shops online.

It looks like every brass detail part ever made is on ebay.

Ed Mines


Re: USRA Cabooses

mici256751
 

Bill,

I have built six of these from F&C $14 Baggie Kits and found them to assemble quite easily, with care. All castings fit well and I encountered no problems during construction. The finished car matched closely to drawings that I have of the USRA cabooses.

I found the kits to be an easier build than that of some Laser Kit cabooses that I have assembled lately. And, for 14 bucks, you can't go wrong with this kit!

Jim Kubanick,
Morgantown WV

--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I just noticed Funaro & Camerlengo offers USRA cabooses with kits for the New York Central and Ulster & Delaware. The Clinchfield also owned these. I am curious if anyone on the list has built one of these kits and can comment on their build-ability and faithfulness to the prototype? Thanks!

Bill Welch


Re: RE the vinegar car

Charlie Vlk
 

Judging by how many of them made it to railroad museums, I would guess they
were in service well into the 60's, if not later. A perusal of equipment
registries would give a definitive picture of how long they lasted.

Charlie Vlk



Good evening all -

The ridiculous eBay price aside, how late would such a car have lasted in
service?

I just joined this list about a month ago, and thus far its made for
fascinating reading (case in point - the helium car), so thanks to all for
that.

Paolo Roffod


Re: RE the vinegar car

erict1361 <erict1361@...>
 

Paolo,

I have the SS Models PDS for this Kit. Photo's show cars in use into the mid 1960's. As far as I know, what ever cars that were sill in use ran into the Late 1960's. James Kinkaid's Color Tank car guide Vol. 1 shows on page 122, NFPX in use at least till late 1970.

I Hope this answered your question?

As far as the Price on eBay: " Why Buy Gold, Invest in Sunshine Model's Kits " !


Eric Thur

--- In STMFC@..., "pennsy3750" <paolo.roffo@...> wrote:

Good evening all -

The ridiculous eBay price aside, how late would such a car have lasted in service?

I just joined this list about a month ago, and thus far its made for fascinating reading (case in point - the helium car), so thanks to all for that.

Paolo Roffo


Re: USRA Cabooses

Armand Premo
 

Bill,Not familiar with the specific roads that you mentioned,but I have built four CV and one StJ& LC and plan to build a Grand Trunk.They are really not bad kits .With some care in construction and a few added details they become a fairly good rendition.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: lnbill
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 9:58 PM
Subject: [STMFC] USRA Cabooses



I just noticed Funaro & Camerlengo offers USRA cabooses with kits for the New York Central and Ulster & Delaware. The Clinchfield also owned these. I am curious if anyone on the list has built one of these kits and can comment on their build-ability and faithfulness to the prototype? Thanks!

Bill Welch


Re: RE the vinegar car

tmolsen@...
 

There was another photo of one of these cars, #SBIX-1643, in the consist of an eastbound Conrail train on the B&A east of West Springfield Massachusetts in 1984 that was posted on the list by Tim O'Conner a while back.

One of these cars, #SBIX-1634, is preserved in the National Museum of Transport in East St. Louis, Missouri.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292


Re: Branchline Blueprint 40' boxcar fate

Andy Harman
 

At 06:34 PM 8/17/2012 -0700, you wrote:
150-B1901 Branchline Blueprint Series 50' Welded-Side Boxcar w/9' Door - Kit (Plastic) -- Norfolk & Western (Delivery Scheme, Boxcar Red)
This car is dead on *if* you get a couple of Kadee 9' thin-frame doors to replace the thick frame doors that come with the kit.

Andy

83061 - 83080 of 193619