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Re: Wabash Custom Decals

Paul Hillman
 

Thanks Doug,

I got an email from Mark just today. As happens sometimes, he had been quite busy and my inquiry was answered in due order.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Harding<mailto:doug.harding@...>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:28 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wabash Custom Decals



Paul, Wabash Custom Decals is owned by Mark Vaughan. The website is
http://www.wabashcustomdecals.com/<http://www.wabashcustomdecals.com/>

His decals are actually printed by Ron Roberts who owns Rail Graphics
http://www.railgraphicsdecals.com/<http://www.railgraphicsdecals.com/>

Which email address are you using? I see his website has a different email
address than the one I have used to contact Mark in the past. I haven't seen
Mark since last fall. Perhaps some else knows.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Wheeling steel gondola questions [leads to completion of kit-bash Triple Play]

Bill Welch
 

Eric--thank you-thank you-thank you-I cannot help you but you have helped me.

A few years ago and soon after Accurail came out with their AAR gondola, I purchased a pair of undec versions at Naperville with no plan for them at the time. Despite the molded on grabs, they have very fine details and the fact that the ends were separate opened up some undetermined potential I thought. When I got home I took a closer look and wondered about the Dreadnaught end in the Accurail kit and whether it would mesh up with the Detail Assoc. GS gon dimensionally. Indeed it does, making modeling an IC GS gon pretty easy. The Improved Dreadnaught ends from the DA kit have been glued to one of the Accurail bodies to model a Georgia RR car delivered in 1951, duplicates of which were also built for the ACL.

Still, there was that pesky unused 2nd undec gon kit waiting for some way to used. Until today however, I had not seen a way to complete the much desired--by me anyway--gondola kit-bash Triple Play. Now that second Acurail kit will become a W&LE gondola w/the DA plate ends.

Bill Welch


Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@...


Wheeling steel gondola questions

Eric Hansmann
 

I am working on an HO scale gondola project and I have a couple of questions
concerning the prototype. The work involves converting an HO scale Accurail
steel gondola to a Wheeling & Lake Erie steel gondola built in 1921. I model
1926 so this will be an as-built version. Modification to a pair of Detail
Associates GS gondola ends is nearly complete and I am considering my next
steps.

The W&LE rostered these steel gondolas in the 52000-53899 series
encompassing 1900 cars of 41-foot length and built by Standard Steel in
1921. The 1925 ORER entry notes a MCB designation of GK and a class of
Gondola, Steel. The GK designation at that time would indicate the car has a
solid bottom and fixed ends with sufficient volume for a full load of coal,
and suitable for mill trade.

Here's a builders image from the 1922 Car Builders Cyclopedia:

http://www.hansmanns.org/images/wandle_52500_gondola_web.jpg

As I progress with the model, I will need to alter the brake system and a KD
system is apparent on the builder's photo. The brake system components seem
to be placed similar to other gondolas with drop bottoms and this is where
my questions arise. I have images of a few other gons in this series, but
all feature the same side of the car where no door latching hardware is
present.



Did these W&LE 52000-53899 gondolas have drop bottoms?

If so, were the floors wood or steel?



The ORER details would indicate a solid steel floor, but I know these
details are sometimes in error. Compounding this issue is the fact that the
W&LE had 1000 USRA composite gondolas that are noted as composite in the
1925 ORER listing, but there is no drop door indication.

I would be grateful if someone can shed a little light on this issue so I
can proceed with confidence. I plan to do six of these conversions as they
seem to be easy additions to a pre-Depression freight car fleet.

Eric





Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


Re: Transporting Hogs On The UP

asychis@...
 

Not focused on the time frame of this group, but the message about
livestock and cold weather brought back an intense memory of seeing a Union
Pacific sheep extra blasting west through Laramie in the early 1970s during a
blizzard. It was at night, and I was watching trains in the snow on the north
end near the crew change point (almost all trains stopped to change crews
in Laramie until the mid-1970s), trying to get a night shot of a stopped
train in a blizzard. A westbound had pulled up to the office building and
stopped, but didn't get underway after the crew had changed. In a few minutes,
the stock train (about 20 cars if I remember correctly) came through at
full speed with snow-caked cars of woolies. One thing that particularly
grabbed my attention was the rear brakeman on the caboose platform spinning his
lantern really fast in a full circle highball as the caboose passed the
crew change office. It was a wonderful sight. Wish there had been digital
recorders back then!

Jerry Michels


ACL Gondola by Tangent Scale Models

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

Now I am NOT a rivet counter but I was blown away by the Tangent Scale
Models ACL ACF Welded 70 Ton Gondola.



First off, the packaging is superb! The model comes wrapped in a clear
plastic sheet with a plastic formed holder that actually folds and extends
down into the top of the hopper holding it securely and safely in the box.



The detail appears to match exactly the prototype photo they provide on
their website with crisp sharp molded and added details and lettering.
Details include see thru brake step, grabs, coupler level, brake gear (a bit
minimal but totally adequate for side viewing), brake wheel, etc.



I have not yet checked the weight but it appears that the model has a hidden
weight in the floor as it is rather "hefty" for a plastic model.



These are not inexpensive but the quality makes the price worth it. If you
buy four and add a couple of foreign roads you can get the price per car
down a little.



They currently have only 4 road numbers available in their second run of
these 1952 as produced models. Of course if you are also a PRR fan they
have MANY of those in various paint schemes.



And as a disclaimer, I am not associated with Tangent Scale Models in any
way and rarely feel moved to post a message of this type but this is an
exception.



Allen Cain


Re: Bob Lorenz Photo Collection

water.kresse@...
 

I believe there was some desire to get his son to manage the collection.



Last t ime we saw him and his wife at a show in Toledo/Maumee, he only cared about his painting efforts and didn't have the desire to search thru his photo collection to make copies.  Yes, there is great stuff in there and folks have contacted his family about the photo/neg collection.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----


From: "Bill Welch" <fgexbill@...>
To: "Steam Era Freight cars" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:42:26 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Bob Lorenz Photo Collection

Fellow Photo Collectors

For several years I have been bugging Jay Williams and Mike Gruber to  
try and access Mr. Bob Lorenz's Freight Car Photo Collection and  
offer prints for those of us that missed the opportunity. Every time  
I see them they say "I will, I will" but so far no attempt to follow  
thru with the contact info I have provided them. I am wondering now  
if maybe I can encourage a few more people to urge them to try and  
"rent" Mr. Lorenz's negative collection, perhaps they will see there  
would be a demand for what for many of us would be "fresh meat."

I don't want to generate a lot of back and forth on this list as it  
could in fact be counter productive. I am merely hoping that when you  
see Jay and Mike in October at Naperville for example, you too will  
urge them to contact Mr. Lorenz.

Thank you for your consideration. Apologies Mike and Jeff if this  
appeal violates the rules in any way.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@...



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moving

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

As of Saturday our new address is: The Round House, 4112 Chica Road, Lake Tansi, TN 38572. I’ll supply my new email address when functional. Phone number remains the same: 931-484-7233. No, the house isn’t actually round but with 14 sides it appears so. – Al Westerfield

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Re: Wabash Custom Decals

Douglas Harding
 

Paul, Wabash Custom Decals is owned by Mark Vaughan. The website is
http://www.wabashcustomdecals.com/

His decals are actually printed by Ron Roberts who owns Rail Graphics
http://www.railgraphicsdecals.com/



Which email address are you using? I see his website has a different email
address than the one I have used to contact Mark in the past. I haven't seen
Mark since last fall. Perhaps some else knows.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Transporting Hogs On The UP

Douglas Harding
 

Bob, interesting account, and some interesting questions. It also raises
some questions for me. The message sounds like it is from Mark Amfahr, who
is a UP buff, as well as modeler and dispatcher.



Problems with extreme cold weather and livestock shipments was not unique to
the UP. Apparently the paper was intended to prevent wind from blowing
through the car, and no doubt prevent snow and ice buildup inside the cars.
When you live in blizzard land you learn the north side was because the
prevailing winds for most winter storms is out of the north or northwest.
The south side in turn would take in whatever sunlight, ie solar warming,
would be present. Earth berm homes today are built with the north side
buried in the hill and the south side exposed to the sun for the same
reasons. Further paper on only one side would allow for ventilation to still
occur, something necessary when dealing with livestock.



I have not heard of the papering before. More common was the requirements to
bed hogs with straw in winter months.



An ATSF livestock brochure from the early 40's required "straw in liberal
quantities should be used for bedding cars for hog shipments in cold
weather. This prevents them from piling and smothering trying to keep warm."



AAR Pamphlet No. 19 for Loading & Handling Livestock , revised Jan 1942,
states: "In cold weather, hay or straw must be added and cars for hogs must
have the hay or straw bedding piled about one foot high around the sides and
ends of car to act as a wind breaker. Not less than one and one-half bales
must be used per deck and in extreme weather at least two. Bales to
approximate in weight 200 lbs."



Now for some questions:

1) Was the paper on the inside or outside of the car? I would speculate
the outside, otherwise the hogs would rip it off and harm themselves with
whatever fastener was used to hold the paper in place (staples?).

2) Would the paper have been similar to the paper later used in grain
doors? Or was it felt paper, ie 15lb rolled roofing paper, which was
commonly used to weather proof buildings, esp before siding was installed.

3) Did they use slats or lath to keep the paper in place?

4) I wonder if Jim Dick has found anything in the NP records that shows
a similar problem and solution, as the NP also encountered extreme winter
weather conditions.

5) Why reuse the same cars? If they can paper one car, they can paper
any car.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


State Tool & Die Part #90 C&O Caboose Coversion kit

Bill Welch
 

Comrades:

Offline someone advised me that the State Tool & Die Part #90 C&O
Caboose Coversion kit contains the sill steps I need to use with
F&C's USRA caboose to model it as a Clinchfield caboose. I found the
item online but thought I would ask if anyone on this list has any of
these that they want to part with?

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@...


Re: Tichy HO Reefers

Brian Carlson
 

That's IM they just build the kits without really checking. My Tichy kit
will get the correct AB gear for my era 8-57



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 4:36 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tichy HO Reefers





On Aug 22, 2012, at 1:10 PM, cepropst@q.com <mailto:cepropst%40q.com>
wrote:
Looks like the models have K style brakes.
In which case the air brake equipment is incompatible with the
post-1953 paint and lettering. And in that event some manufacturer,
whether Tichy or IMC, hasn't been doing their homework.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Tichy HO Reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:
Looks like the models have K style brakes.
They do. The Tichy kit was for as-built cars, and this is just an assembled Tichy kit. No changes, no mods, just different paint schemes.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Wabash Custom Decals

Paul Hillman
 

Has anyone communicated with Wabash Custom Decals lately?

I have sent them some emails over the last few months and have gotten no response.

I got a response from my first email to them about 3 or 4 months ago, about reprinting some of their existing decals in white instead of yellow, and they responded that they would, "in about 30 days".

2 more emails to them about the reprinting haven't been answered.

I hope that they are OK as a company. Whom else could print my desired decals? There were 2 people here locally by me, that made decals, but they have since quit doing it.

Thanks, Paul Hillman


Re: Tichy HO Reefers

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 22, 2012, at 1:10 PM, cepropst@q.com wrote:
Looks like the models have K style brakes.
In which case the air brake equipment is incompatible with the
post-1953 paint and lettering. And in that event some manufacturer,
whether Tichy or IMC, hasn't been doing their homework.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Staley " Orange" tank cars for Univ of IL.

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:54 AM, erict1361 wrote:

Would anyone know the year that Staley began painting some of their
cars painted in the " Orange with Blue Lettering" for the
University of IL ? Was this done by the Builder or by Staley? Any
idea of the percentage of cars painted orange, per the Silver cars?
Eric, the few photos I have of the orange Staley cars date from
1955-'56-57, and it appears that even in that time period not all of
the Staley cars were painted orange, though I'd be hesitant to even
guess a percentage in the absence of more definitive data. Since
almost all of Staley's cars were acquired second hand and were built
in the teens and '20s, the orange paint was applied by Staley; no car
builder had anything to do with it.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Tichy HO Reefers

Clark Propst
 

Looks like the models have K style brakes.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Bob Chaparro wrote:
Intermountain offers HO scale R-T-R Tichy refrigerator cars for PacificFruit Express in the following six numbers:
38605
38729
38957
71730
71653
71862

These numbers all were assigned to prototype PFE R-40-4 cars. Here is a link to the cars:

http://intermountain-railway.com/distrib/tichy/html/T452402.htm
<http://intermountain-railway.com/distrib/tichy/html/T452402.htm>

The UP and SP heralds are white on black and the cars carry stencils indicating they were lubricated in June 1955.
Are these cars correct in their details and paint scheme for June 1955?
The paint scheme is okay. The lettering is correct for post-1953, with no periods in "PFE," but I don't know why there is no reweigh date. Maybe so you can add the one you want <g>. BTW, by 1955 there were less than 500 cars in both the 38,000s and 71,000s, out of a car fleet of nearly 40,000 cars, so a person might not want a LOT of these models.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Mainline Modeler October, 1995 article

rdietrichson
 

Hey all,
In the subject magazine there is a photo spread by Robert Smith, of a three dome tank car. The ownwer and road number have been painted out...does anyone know this information, as I'm trying to kitbash it.
Thanks for any help,
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington. NC


Transporting Hogs On The UP

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

This post from `Mark" popped-up on the Classic UP group. Does anyone have more insight on this? What was the nature of the paper material? Did any other railroads employ these measures?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
+++++
Hello all,

While digging through some UP documents archived at the Colorado Railway Museum, I came across an interesting 1950s-era memo regarding stock cars. It seems that Swift was noticing that some of their hogs were suffering from / being harmed by severe weather conditions while being transported in stock cars during the coldest winter months. During the winter of 1949/50 they experimented with "papering" (the term used in the memo) stock cars that handled hogs. I would guess that the paper was of "grocery sack" (or greater) thickness, applied to the inside of each car. The memo from January 1951 indicated that Swift and the UP were happy with the experiments and that they would continue to apply the paper, at least during the winter of 1950/51.

Interestingly enough, they applied the paper only to the *north* side of each car, which created some interesting concerns for UP's Operating Dept. personnel. The last line of the memo read:

"There must be no failure to see that these papered cars are used through to destination when bad weather prevails and that the papered side is kept to the northward."

So when "papered cars" were used during cold months, UP was essentially required to reload hogs back into the same cars that they'd arrived in after being unloaded at resting points (at that time, usually Sidney, Cheyenne or Laramie in the case of westbound hogs). That was to be done as opposed to reloading the hogs into different (non-papered) cars such as using CNW cars in / UP cars out, which was often an option. They also had to turn the cars to keep the paper to the north in cases where the paper ended up facing south for any reason (such as during interchange, coming off of a branchline, etc).

Take care,

Mark


Re: Tichy HO Reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
Intermountain offers HO scale R-T-R Tichy refrigerator cars for PacificFruit Express in the following six numbers:
38605
38729
38957
71730
71653
71862

These numbers all were assigned to prototype PFE R-40-4 cars. Here is a link to the cars:

http://intermountain-railway.com/distrib/tichy/html/T452402.htm
<http://intermountain-railway.com/distrib/tichy/html/T452402.htm>

The UP and SP heralds are white on black and the cars carry stencils indicating they were lubricated in June 1955.
Are these cars correct in their details and paint scheme for June 1955?
The paint scheme is okay. The lettering is correct for post-1953, with no periods in "PFE," but I don't know why there is no reweigh date. Maybe so you can add the one you want <g>. BTW, by 1955 there were less than 500 cars in both the 38,000s and 71,000s, out of a car fleet of nearly 40,000 cars, so a person might not want a LOT of these models.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Tichy HO Reefers

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Intermountain offers HO scale R-T-R Tichy refrigerator cars for Pacific
Fruit Express in the following six numbers:

38605

38729

38957

71730

71653

71862

These numbers all were assigned to prototype PFE R-40-4 cars.

Here is a link to the cars:

http://intermountain-railway.com/distrib/tichy/html/T452402.htm
<http://intermountain-railway.com/distrib/tichy/html/T452402.htm>

The UP and SP heralds are white on black and the cars carry stencils
indicating they were lubricated in June 1955.

Are these cars correct in their details and paint scheme for June 1955?

Thanks

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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