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Re: USATC frieght cars

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Bruce,
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the kit box cars, gondolas, flat cars and tank car come along AFTER World War Two in anticipation of the next war in Europe?

Quite a few years ago I had the opportunity to make a CAD drawing of the tank car. TM (Technical Manual) 55-2220-201-35 includes foldout drawings for the box car, high & low side gons but not the tank car since that came already assembled. (Drawings for the flat car are included since the flat was simply the gon or box without sides.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:

John,

The tank cars and "kit" boxcars have come up several times on this list, although particulars are not very detailed. The tank cars were single compartment two dome tanks to provide enough expansion space within the confines of tight european clearances. Photo are available in several books.


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


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On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:44 PM, John Barry wrote:

I have a friend in the UK who is wondering about the rolling stock shipped to the UK and France to support the Allied effort to liberate the continent during WWII. Does any one have information on the design, construction and builders for the tank, flat, gondola, and box cars that were used by the Military Railway Service?

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
Cotati, CA


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Re: Question On Santa Fe Slogans

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 24, 2012, at 11:29 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

There are two versions of the GRAND CANYON LINE slogans on Santa Fe
refers. In one version
THE GRAND CANYON lettering is broken up on three levels. The second
version has the lettering
all on one line. Was this change a part of the 1947 lettering change?
Yes,

Was the three tiered lettering
applied only to the cars with the "map" scheme and the one line
version to the "SHIP AND TRAVEL"
cars?
Yes.

Or were the slogans interchangeable?
No,

Richard Hendrickson


Question On Santa Fe Slogans

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

There are two versions of the GRAND CANYON LINE slogans on Santa Fe refers. In one version
THE GRAND CANYON lettering is broken up on three levels. The second version has the lettering
all on one line. Was this change a part of the 1947 lettering change? Was the three tiered lettering
applied only to the cars with the "map" scheme and the one line version to the "SHIP AND TRAVEL"
cars? Or were the slogans interchangeable?

As usual thanks in advance for any help.

Bill Pardie


Re: USATC frieght cars

Richard Townsend
 

Klein Modellbahn of Austria made HO models of the two-dome tank car. I think they stopped manufacturing in 2008 or so, but some of the models may still be out there.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


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Aley, Jeff A
 

Folks,

I saw this on another group, and verified that it is true for STMFC.

At this time people are unable to post messages via the web interface. This is a Yahoo!Groups problem, even though the error msg implies that it might be the fault of the user. It is not known when this capability will be back up.

Postings via direct email (such as this one) are still functioning normally.

Regards,

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Deputy Moderator, STMFC


Re: Wheeling steel gondola questions

Dennis Storzek
 

I tried to post this yesterday via the web page, no joy. We'll see if this works...
Glad to see someone making use of our cars as kitbash material.


--- In STMFC@..., "Eric Hansmann" <eric@...> wrote:

I am working on an HO scale gondola project and I have a couple of questions
concerning the prototype. The work involves converting an HO scale Accurail
steel gondola to a Wheeling & Lake Erie steel gondola built in 1921...
The W&LE rostered these steel gondolas in the 52000-53899 series
encompassing 1900 cars of 41-foot length and built by Standard Steel in
1921. The 1925 ORER entry notes a MCB designation of GK and a class of
Gondola, Steel. The GK designation at that time would indicate the car has a
solid bottom and fixed ends with sufficient volume for a full load of coal,
and suitable for mill trade...

Here's a builders image from the 1922 Car Builders Cyclopedia:

http://www.hansmanns.org/images/wandle_52500_gondola_web.jpg



Did these W&LE 52000-53899 gondolas have drop bottoms?
You answered that question above... If it was classed GK, it had a solid floor. Solid floor meant no doors.

If so, were the floors wood or steel?
That's a more difficult question, and impossible to answer from the data in the ORER listing.

As to brake arrangement, I should think lacking any more detailed information about the underframe, the brake cylinder / lever / rod part included with the kit should be as close as anything. Just substitute the reservoir and triple valve from a K brake set, mounting them to brackets between the framing so the end up where they appear on the photo.

Dennis
Dennis Storzek


Re: Wheeling steel gondola questions [leads to completion of kit-bash Triple Play]

Ray Breyer
 

Hi Eric,
 
None of these cars made it into NKP paint. The class as a whole stayed intact into the Depression years, but the K brake ban doomed them:
 
                            7/1922    12/1930    4/1940    1/1945    7/1950    1/1951    1/1955
R6000-series:        100         100           66            65            1            1                0
52000-series:        1900      1900         1431       1347         11            5                0

The Wheeling's 1947 freight car diagram book shows them with KD brakes, so it's obvious that they didn't feel that these cars were worth upgrading to AB (never forget that not only was the Wheeling the most dangerous road in the USA to work on, but they were exceedingly CHEAP; even stingier than a normal steam-era road). I've got a couple of photos of these cars in the NKP's MOW pool, but as revenue cars they'd have dropped off the roster by 1953.

Hope this helps!
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL

 

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From: Eric Hansmann <eric@...>
 
Bill,

I am happy to expose a prototype possibility for the Accurail gondola, but I
must add uncertainty for cars in service beyond 1950. I have reviewed an NKP
freight equipment listing and have not found where these W&LE gondolas fit
into the NKP roster. Here's the PDF I reviewed at the Alphabet Route site:

http://www.alphabetroute.com/nkp/rosterpdfs/NKPFreightClass.pdf

Maybe Ray Breyer will chime in with new details.

The NKP pages from a 1950 ORER are also available on the Alphabet Route
site, but they are a poor, low-res scan and I cannot read the details. It
seems there are double digits under the W&LE listings towards the end of
those NKP pages, but I am not certain. If these gondolas still retained
their K brake system, then they may not have survived in revenue service
beyond 1953. Sorry to temper your enthusiasm, but I know you would feel
worse discovering these details after finishing a model.

BTW, fine decals representing the as-built lettering for these W&LE gondola
were recently offered by Gerry Glow. This spurred my conversion efforts.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

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Re: USATC frieght cars

Bruce Smith
 

John,

The tank cars and "kit" boxcars have come up several times on this list, although particulars are not very detailed. The tank cars were single compartment two dome tanks to provide enough expansion space within the confines of tight european clearances. Photo are available in several books.


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

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On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:44 PM, John Barry wrote:

I have a friend in the UK who is wondering about the rolling stock shipped to the UK and France to support the Allied effort to liberate the continent during WWII. Does any one have information on the design, construction and builders for the tank, flat, gondola, and box cars that were used by the Military Railway Service?

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
Cotati, CA


Re: USATC frieght cars

Barrybennetttoo@...
 

Tell him to buy Ed Kaminski's Magor book from SPV.

Barry Bennett

In a message dated 24/08/2012 03:44:14 GMT Daylight Time,
northbaylines@... writes:




I have a friend in the UK who is wondering about the rolling stock shipped
to the UK and France to support the Allied effort to liberate the continent
during WWII. Does any one have information on the design, construction
and builders for the tank, flat, gondola, and box cars that were used by the
Military Railway Service?

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
Cotati, CA

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Re: Wheeling steel gondola questions [leads to completion of kit-bash Triple Play]

Eric Hansmann
 

Bill,

I am happy to expose a prototype possibility for the Accurail gondola, but I
must add uncertainty for cars in service beyond 1950. I have reviewed an NKP
freight equipment listing and have not found where these W&LE gondolas fit
into the NKP roster. Here's the PDF I reviewed at the Alphabet Route site:

http://www.alphabetroute.com/nkp/rosterpdfs/NKPFreightClass.pdf

Maybe Ray Breyer will chime in with new details.

The NKP pages from a 1950 ORER are also available on the Alphabet Route
site, but they are a poor, low-res scan and I cannot read the details. It
seems there are double digits under the W&LE listings towards the end of
those NKP pages, but I am not certain. If these gondolas still retained
their K brake system, then they may not have survived in revenue service
beyond 1953. Sorry to temper your enthusiasm, but I know you would feel
worse discovering these details after finishing a model.

BTW, fine decals representing the as-built lettering for these W&LE gondola
were recently offered by Gerry Glow. This spurred my conversion efforts.



I do hope this message posts to the list as it is my fourth attempt today to
respond.

Eric





Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


USATC frieght cars

John Barry
 

I have a friend in the UK who is wondering about the rolling stock shipped to the UK and France to support the Allied effort to liberate the continent during WWII.  Does any one have information on the design, construction and builders for the tank, flat, gondola, and box cars that were used by the Military Railway Service?

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
Cotati, CA

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Steam era car kits

Tom Palmer
 

Hi Folks,

The interest is very high and you guys have succeeded in
swamping me. It typical of how much interest we have in freight cars. I will
answer everyone in order of when the message is received. Please be patient,
I still have to work also.

Thank you and best regards,

Tom Palmer


Re: Wabash Custom Decals

Paul Hillman
 

Thanks Doug,

I got an email from Mark just today. As happens sometimes, he had been quite busy and my inquiry was answered in due order.

Paul Hillman

----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Harding<mailto:doug.harding@...>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 10:28 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Wabash Custom Decals



Paul, Wabash Custom Decals is owned by Mark Vaughan. The website is
http://www.wabashcustomdecals.com/<http://www.wabashcustomdecals.com/>

His decals are actually printed by Ron Roberts who owns Rail Graphics
http://www.railgraphicsdecals.com/<http://www.railgraphicsdecals.com/>

Which email address are you using? I see his website has a different email
address than the one I have used to contact Mark in the past. I haven't seen
Mark since last fall. Perhaps some else knows.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Wheeling steel gondola questions [leads to completion of kit-bash Triple Play]

Bill Welch
 

Eric--thank you-thank you-thank you-I cannot help you but you have helped me.

A few years ago and soon after Accurail came out with their AAR gondola, I purchased a pair of undec versions at Naperville with no plan for them at the time. Despite the molded on grabs, they have very fine details and the fact that the ends were separate opened up some undetermined potential I thought. When I got home I took a closer look and wondered about the Dreadnaught end in the Accurail kit and whether it would mesh up with the Detail Assoc. GS gon dimensionally. Indeed it does, making modeling an IC GS gon pretty easy. The Improved Dreadnaught ends from the DA kit have been glued to one of the Accurail bodies to model a Georgia RR car delivered in 1951, duplicates of which were also built for the ACL.

Still, there was that pesky unused 2nd undec gon kit waiting for some way to used. Until today however, I had not seen a way to complete the much desired--by me anyway--gondola kit-bash Triple Play. Now that second Acurail kit will become a W&LE gondola w/the DA plate ends.

Bill Welch


Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@...


Wheeling steel gondola questions

Eric Hansmann
 

I am working on an HO scale gondola project and I have a couple of questions
concerning the prototype. The work involves converting an HO scale Accurail
steel gondola to a Wheeling & Lake Erie steel gondola built in 1921. I model
1926 so this will be an as-built version. Modification to a pair of Detail
Associates GS gondola ends is nearly complete and I am considering my next
steps.

The W&LE rostered these steel gondolas in the 52000-53899 series
encompassing 1900 cars of 41-foot length and built by Standard Steel in
1921. The 1925 ORER entry notes a MCB designation of GK and a class of
Gondola, Steel. The GK designation at that time would indicate the car has a
solid bottom and fixed ends with sufficient volume for a full load of coal,
and suitable for mill trade.

Here's a builders image from the 1922 Car Builders Cyclopedia:

http://www.hansmanns.org/images/wandle_52500_gondola_web.jpg

As I progress with the model, I will need to alter the brake system and a KD
system is apparent on the builder's photo. The brake system components seem
to be placed similar to other gondolas with drop bottoms and this is where
my questions arise. I have images of a few other gons in this series, but
all feature the same side of the car where no door latching hardware is
present.



Did these W&LE 52000-53899 gondolas have drop bottoms?

If so, were the floors wood or steel?



The ORER details would indicate a solid steel floor, but I know these
details are sometimes in error. Compounding this issue is the fact that the
W&LE had 1000 USRA composite gondolas that are noted as composite in the
1925 ORER listing, but there is no drop door indication.

I would be grateful if someone can shed a little light on this issue so I
can proceed with confidence. I plan to do six of these conversions as they
seem to be easy additions to a pre-Depression freight car fleet.

Eric





Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX


Re: Transporting Hogs On The UP

asychis@...
 

Not focused on the time frame of this group, but the message about
livestock and cold weather brought back an intense memory of seeing a Union
Pacific sheep extra blasting west through Laramie in the early 1970s during a
blizzard. It was at night, and I was watching trains in the snow on the north
end near the crew change point (almost all trains stopped to change crews
in Laramie until the mid-1970s), trying to get a night shot of a stopped
train in a blizzard. A westbound had pulled up to the office building and
stopped, but didn't get underway after the crew had changed. In a few minutes,
the stock train (about 20 cars if I remember correctly) came through at
full speed with snow-caked cars of woolies. One thing that particularly
grabbed my attention was the rear brakeman on the caboose platform spinning his
lantern really fast in a full circle highball as the caboose passed the
crew change office. It was a wonderful sight. Wish there had been digital
recorders back then!

Jerry Michels


ACL Gondola by Tangent Scale Models

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

Now I am NOT a rivet counter but I was blown away by the Tangent Scale
Models ACL ACF Welded 70 Ton Gondola.



First off, the packaging is superb! The model comes wrapped in a clear
plastic sheet with a plastic formed holder that actually folds and extends
down into the top of the hopper holding it securely and safely in the box.



The detail appears to match exactly the prototype photo they provide on
their website with crisp sharp molded and added details and lettering.
Details include see thru brake step, grabs, coupler level, brake gear (a bit
minimal but totally adequate for side viewing), brake wheel, etc.



I have not yet checked the weight but it appears that the model has a hidden
weight in the floor as it is rather "hefty" for a plastic model.



These are not inexpensive but the quality makes the price worth it. If you
buy four and add a couple of foreign roads you can get the price per car
down a little.



They currently have only 4 road numbers available in their second run of
these 1952 as produced models. Of course if you are also a PRR fan they
have MANY of those in various paint schemes.



And as a disclaimer, I am not associated with Tangent Scale Models in any
way and rarely feel moved to post a message of this type but this is an
exception.



Allen Cain


Re: Bob Lorenz Photo Collection

water.kresse@...
 

I believe there was some desire to get his son to manage the collection.



Last t ime we saw him and his wife at a show in Toledo/Maumee, he only cared about his painting efforts and didn't have the desire to search thru his photo collection to make copies.  Yes, there is great stuff in there and folks have contacted his family about the photo/neg collection.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----


From: "Bill Welch" <fgexbill@...>
To: "Steam Era Freight cars" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 9:42:26 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Bob Lorenz Photo Collection

Fellow Photo Collectors

For several years I have been bugging Jay Williams and Mike Gruber to  
try and access Mr. Bob Lorenz's Freight Car Photo Collection and  
offer prints for those of us that missed the opportunity. Every time  
I see them they say "I will, I will" but so far no attempt to follow  
thru with the contact info I have provided them. I am wondering now  
if maybe I can encourage a few more people to urge them to try and  
"rent" Mr. Lorenz's negative collection, perhaps they will see there  
would be a demand for what for many of us would be "fresh meat."

I don't want to generate a lot of back and forth on this list as it  
could in fact be counter productive. I am merely hoping that when you  
see Jay and Mike in October at Naperville for example, you too will  
urge them to contact Mr. Lorenz.

Thank you for your consideration. Apologies Mike and Jeff if this  
appeal violates the rules in any way.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@...



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moving

Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

As of Saturday our new address is: The Round House, 4112 Chica Road, Lake Tansi, TN 38572. I’ll supply my new email address when functional. Phone number remains the same: 931-484-7233. No, the house isn’t actually round but with 14 sides it appears so. – Al Westerfield

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Re: Wabash Custom Decals

Douglas Harding
 

Paul, Wabash Custom Decals is owned by Mark Vaughan. The website is
http://www.wabashcustomdecals.com/

His decals are actually printed by Ron Roberts who owns Rail Graphics
http://www.railgraphicsdecals.com/



Which email address are you using? I see his website has a different email
address than the one I have used to contact Mark in the past. I haven't seen
Mark since last fall. Perhaps some else knows.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

82841 - 82860 of 193487