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sugar beets

Bruce Bogart
 

I am attempting to model the NKP in the 50's. Some of the trackage shows sidings labelled Sugar Beet. Were these elevators or a pprocessing plant? Anyone have a lead on pictures of frieght cars in Nothern Ohio/Indiana? Thanks!
Bruce Bogart


Coal as a (Complex) Commodity [was Re: Rare Freight Car Films/ CRR of NJ hopper]

Charles Hostetler <cesicjh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
Go with what you see. There are more precedents for this than not. This is what I saw growing up in Pgh. Each industry seems to have, and in documented cases did, contract for raw materials from whoever could get it to them cheaply and reliably. This would also result in oddball yard "fleets", which did not look much like what one would expect in hindcasting.
...
Your last case in point made me laugh. That looks like a coal-fired plant mixing high-grade Pennsylvania bituminous with lower-grade mid-western (Illinois?) bituminous. This was, and is, very common; those are the exact roads you might expect to see.

Thank you Elden and Walter and Jim for you insights. When I looked into the commodity flows for bituminous coal into Wisconsin I believe they strongly support you interpretations and comments. The industries and facilities in Wisconsin were using a mix of southern Illinois/Indiana and West Virginia/Virginia/eastern Kentucky coal. The mix is evident in both the rail and marine traffic. The C&NW wasn't a big coal hauling railroad, and it seems that its major coal traffic from southern Illinois was bound for Iowa and Minnesota via Nelson, rather than east and north to the Great Lakes areas. Thus my local area (Milwaukee) is seeing a diverse mix of off-line sources of coal. I appreciate your help to get me recalibrated :)

For those interested, I've posted the bituminous coal flows to and from Wisconsin and a brief discussion at:

http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2012/09/coal-to-wisconsin.html


Regards,

Charles Hostetler


Re: SP Flat cars

rdietrichson
 

Thanks Rich, just what I needed.
Rick Dietrichson


---- Rich C <rhcdmc@yahoo.com> wrote:

This is fom the SP Freight Cars site:
 
SP 79700-79824 re #'d SP 560001-560124
These 53'-6" flat cars were built 2-4/1941 by SP Equipment Co. (Sacremento)
and featured fishbelly side sills, 16 stake pockets, Columbia Steel trucks,
poling pockets, overhanging wood decks and riveted construction. An article on
these cars by Allen Wood appeared in the November-December 1976 issue of Western
Prototype Modeler incuding prototype and model photos.
 
 
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/spcars/byclass/flat/f070-02.htm
Rich Christie


________________________________
From: "Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com" <Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 5:07 PM
Subject: [STMFC] SP Flat cars



 

Hello all,
Could someone provide me with the correct road numbers for the SP's F-70-2 flat cars built in '49 (?). I'm not sure if they were renumbered later in their lives, and I would like to use the build date info.
Thanks,
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC




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Those missing Coal Cars - wasRe: Rare Freight Car Films/ CRR of NJ hopper

np328
 

I realize that the dates of these doc's this data is drawn from differ from your prior stated dates. They do for my date of modeling also, however I'm studying these to see if patterns are there that might be applied in a general sense.

From an AAR document dated Oct. 30, 1944
Open Top Cars;

Gondolas: The supply in the Eastern-Allegheny roads as a whole is tighter than elsewhere throughout the country, with a few isolated deficiencies. The number of Eastern-Allegheny gondolas on western roads continues heavy, and it has been necessary to authorize the use of some of these cars on the principle roads originating sugar beets during the month of October in order to meet the car requirements.

Coal Cars: During the period of September 11 to December 21 all requirements for coal cars were met with the exception of small deficiencies on the B&O and the D&SL during the last days of September.
In the states of Colorado, Idaho, Utah, and Wyoming the annual harvesting of the sugar beet crop is now reaching its peak movement for the season. The six principal roads participating in this seasonal movement estimate there will be 57,769 carloads of beets loaded in 1944, compared with the actual loading of 56,680 carloads of the 1943 season.

From an NP - Statement of Cars On-line April 1st 1945
Gondolas – NP system owned: 3170
Foreign gondolas online: 2767
Total on line : 5937
Percentage of NP owned on system: 84.35
Total vs. home ownership: 157.98

Hoppers and Harts: 2531
Foreign online: 0
Percentage of NP owned on system: 87.19
-----------
Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN

Also: I thought that I had seen a directed order for hopper regarding the Allegheny roads, directing the return of hoppers home, however I cannot seem to locate it at the moment. At the time I was looking at it I thought, The N&W or VGN or roads like that running dry on hoppers?
------------

Charles Hostetler wrote:
I admit the sample size is rather small but I am looking at pictures of areas/facilities, not individual freight cars, so the idea that the photographer was selecting non-local cars preferentially doesn't seem right to me in this case. I just don't see any C&NW hoppers. So I'm either forced to conclude my sample is biased and model lots of local hoppers per the "conventional wisdom" or go with the photos I do have and model a dogs-breakfast non-local hopper fleet.
Any suggestions?
Regards, Charles Hostetler


Re: SP Flat cars

Rich C
 

This is fom the SP Freight Cars site:
 
SP 79700-79824 re #'d SP 560001-560124
These 53'-6" flat cars were built 2-4/1941 by SP Equipment Co. (Sacremento)
and featured fishbelly side sills, 16 stake pockets, Columbia Steel trucks,
poling pockets, overhanging wood decks and riveted construction. An article on
these cars by Allen Wood appeared in the November-December 1976 issue of Western
Prototype Modeler incuding prototype and model photos.
 
 
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/spcars/byclass/flat/f070-02.htm
Rich Christie


________________________________
From: "Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com" <Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 5:07 PM
Subject: [STMFC] SP Flat cars



 

Hello all,
Could someone provide me with the correct road numbers for the SP's F-70-2 flat cars built in '49 (?). I'm not sure if they were renumbered later in their lives, and I would like to use the build date info.
Thanks,
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC




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Re: CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons

rdietrichson
 

Claus,
Your model is great. Can you provide me eith info on how you built the car?
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC

---- "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:

Hi,

(Sorry if some folks on both groups get this more than once!)

Back in late 2009 I asked on both the CBQ list and the STMFC list for help
creating a model of a CB&Q composite mill gon.

I've got some pictures of the completed model now, and thought others might
be interested. Note this is N scale.

I had a lot of fun doing this car.

Sorry about the super-long link!

https://zjw8hq.sn2.livefilestore.com/y1p8aDKkjZB-SYbQNI1ynaecHdNLqXTe_BrcpCPVFHjfihjnh3dZTWLdW3Rj7F_pg78gaNVUOcfNDRScwnmaTFzevmkPL-uT6iQ/CBQ_composite_mill_gon_MT_model_10.jpg?psid=1

or if that is too long to work, try the short link below...

http://tinyurl.com/8aftr3t

Thanks again to everyone for the tremendously helpful responses.

- Claus Schlund


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@HellGateModels.com>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons


Hi,

Thanks everyone for your more than helpful responses - I would never have
guessed that so much imformation would be coming my way!
Several folks sent me images off-list, thank you for those as they were
very helpful.


Here is my admittedly meager comtribution to the topic...

A builders photo from the 1931 CBC (TSC #46) pg 215...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/4198770352_3af882d03d_b.jpg

An set of images of the N-scale Micro-Trains gon in CB&Q paint...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2660/4198016869_ca287111ea_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2557/4198770700_ced97c70ab_b.jpg

Lastly, am image of the undecorated Micro-Trains shell...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2786/4198017167_0dca0ebd6f_b.jpg

The car looks pretty good rite out of the box, and the factory lettering
appears to be correct. A few things need to be fixed.

* The car comes with a straight center sill, and the prototype has a
fishbelly center sill. This needs to be corrected

* The car rides too high and needs to be lowered

* The car comes with a side-mounted brake wheel. While the photos I've
received are not entirely conclusive, it appears these cars
had (I'm not sure I've for the terminology right) lever brakes, much like
those on the as-delivered USRA composite gons. This will
need to be changed as well

* The car comes with dreadnaught drop ends, and they should be 5-rib
inverse Murphy. Not sure how to correct this...

* The two end panels in the Micro-Trains model are slightly longer then
the rest of the panels, and the prototype was just the
opposite. I'm not going to make any effort to correct this. Oh well!

Thanks again everyone, I've got some fun work to do.

- Claus Schlund


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@hellgatemodels.com>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons


Hi,

I'm trying to gather up some info on CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons,
but information and in-service images of these particular
gons are proving elusive. I'm hoping someone here can help.

The cars I'm asking about are pictured in the 1931 CBC (TSC #46) page
215, which shows a builders photo of CB&Q 195499, described
as follows: Composite Gondola Car, Solid Bottom, Drop Ends, ARA Class GM,
Length Inside 48'6"; Builder, Pressed Steel Car Company.

Apparently, this car was part of the series CB&Q 195000 to 196499. For a
class that had 1500 cars in it, you would think I'd be
able to turn up SOMETHING! I have the CB&Q Historical Societies Data Sheet
on composite gons, but it covers only 40 foot gons and
makes no mention of the above cars.

According to Dec 1930 ORER, statistics for this car class are:

MCB class GM (gon, drop ends)
195000 to 196499
IL 48' 6"
IW 9' 3/4"
IH 3' 10"
OL 49' 9 3/4"
OW 10' 3"
Extreme Ht 7' 6 3/4"
Cap 1770 cu ft or 100000 lb
1498 cars

An image of an N scale model of this car by MicroTrains can be seen at:

http://i.ebayimg.com/05/!BP8hDBgCGk~$(KGrHgoOKj4EjlLmY+TiBJ2Qr6EpC!~~_12.JPG

(hopefully the line will not wrap!)

The MicroTrains model appears to be a excellent match structurally. But
I'm curious about the paint and lettering. The builders
photo in the above 1931 CBC shows a two-color paint scheme, with all the
wood parts painted white and the metal parts painted a
darker color. I assume this paint scheme was for the photo only, and not
for service. Can someone on this list confirm? Also, can
anyone point me to a in-service photo of these gons? I'm interested in the
as-built lettering. Lastly, anyone know if these gons
were used for any specific service, routing or customer on the CB&Q?

Thanks in advance for any info.

- Claus





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SP Flat cars

rdietrichson
 

Hello all,
Could someone provide me with the correct road numbers for the SP's F-70-2 flat cars built in '49 (?). I'm not sure if they were renumbered later in their lives, and I would like to use the build date info.
Thanks,
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


Re: Mid-Continent Petroleum (COSDEN) Paint scheme's

switchengines <jrs060@...>
 

Well Eric, you missed a paint scheme in the middle between the 1920s "Diamond
Products" and the, I think, late 1930s large "D-X Gasoline" scheme. It featured a large
"Diamond" lettering and you can have a look at it in this SL-SF 1285 accident photo
taken on October 10, 1935 at Monett, Missouri, from the Frisco Library.

http://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/friscoline/images/photos/p01608.jpg

To try and answer your question about the date when they started repainting the
fleet into the "D-X Gasoline" scheme, from what I've looked at in the Library Of
Congress photos collection taken during the early years of WWII, it appears that the
large "Diamond" scheme was still around on some cars during the early 1940s. So
my best guess is sometime in the late 1930s as the start of the "D-X Gasoline"
scheme? The "Diamond Products" scheme, with the red diamond back round that
Walthers has done on the 8k AC&F, former proto tank car, probable was gone by the
mid-1930s. And judging from the number of cars repainted in that photo, I think I'm
about right?

Trying to help you, Jerry Stewart

Woodstock, Illinois

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "erict1361" <erict1361@...> wrote:

According to information I have gathered from various websites, Mid-Continent Petroleum (C.O.S.X) had GATC Type 17, ACF Type 11 and Type 21 Tankcars. The Type 11 being the largest numbers. The cars were painted in the "Diamond Products" Red Diamond's with White lettering scheme in the 1920's and later re-painted with only white lettering with a large "D-X" logo. "D-X Gasoline was introduced in 1933 and " Diamond Gas stations began changing there signs to D-X" beginning in 1946.

My question is what year did Cosden begin re-painting the Red and white "Diamond" paint scheme to the all white lettered "D-X" scheme? Did any cars still have the original lettering past 1947 or were all Tank cars re painted by then?

Thanks,

Eric Thur


Re: CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons

Charlie Vlk
 

Klaus-

I didn’t notice this before but the end panels on the prototype is not symmetrical….it appears that one end of the car is shorter (in relation to the body bolster) than the other. The strap diagonal on the long end is at the same angle as the pressed steel truss members, but on one end the panel is shorter and the strap diagonal is consequently at a sharper angle.

This shows up on the builders photo and in-service cars but not the Kalmbach MR Cyclopedia drawing. I wonder if this was done for clearance on the brake gear and platform?
Weird.

Charlie Vlk



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Shapeways

Bill Lane
 

Much has been said at times on Yahoo groups suggesting Shapeways as a viable
source of low production or 1 off model railroad items for a reasonable
price. Since starting my own part designing with Solidworks about 5 years
ago I have long been skeptical of what you would get for your purchase. I
have mostly thought (without seeing first hand) they are not there yet. The
best I had ever heard was from N Scalers saying their purchased items were
"acceptable".



That changed about an hour ago. A fellow S Scaler sent me an S Scale roof he
purchased. The material is rather fragile. It arrived to him broken - which
is why he graciously sent it to me just to see. In some ways it is a little
better than I expected but mostly it is **much worse** than I expected. The
material is a bit waxy but the layering is just awful! These is no chance
anyone would find it to be acceptable right out of the box. It was built
across the width so the roof was made vertically. It probably would have
been a worse finish if the roof was built as if you would see it on that
car. This just more than confirms my thoughts about Shapeways - you get what
you pay for and they are by far NOT there yet!



The material is too thin to mold it and try and use the casting as a master
which you would have to sand the cast part extensively. That is too much
like work! To get this roof made where I get my stuff printed would cost a
TON of money and possibly not that much better in finish but the material is
stronger so there are more possibilities - but nothing is easy for sure.



Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

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Re: LV 42000 hopper handbrake

Charles Hladik
 

Chuck Davis, please contact me off list.
Chuck Hladik
rutlandrs@aol.com

In a message dated 9/6/2012 11:55:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mylvrr@cox.net writes:




Lou,

The first part of your question is easy to answer. I don't have a shop card
for that particular series, but those for all the other rebuilt LV hoppers
had Ajax hand brakes.

There are very few good color photos of any LV freight cars in the
immediate
post war period. The LV also purchased paint from several manufactures
which resulted in some variety. The best color photos of cars in that
period I've seen is in Trackside around Sayre-Towanda-Waverly. The inside
cover has a partial picture of 41611 which was rebuilt in 1949. The closest
paint match would be Scalecoat II Oxide Red, maybe with a little more
orange
and red.

Chuck Davis

Norfolk, VA

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Re: LV 42000 hopper handbrake

Layout Tour
 

Lou,



The first part of your question is easy to answer. I don't have a shop card
for that particular series, but those for all the other rebuilt LV hoppers
had Ajax hand brakes.



There are very few good color photos of any LV freight cars in the immediate
post war period. The LV also purchased paint from several manufactures
which resulted in some variety. The best color photos of cars in that
period I've seen is in Trackside around Sayre-Towanda-Waverly. The inside
cover has a partial picture of 41611 which was rebuilt in 1949. The closest
paint match would be Scalecoat II Oxide Red, maybe with a little more orange
and red.



Chuck Davis

Norfolk, VA


Re: Mid-Continent Petroleum (COSDEN) Paint scheme's

erict1361 <erict1361@...>
 

Rich,
Mid Continent Petroleum "COSDEN" C.O.S.X. was based out of Tulsa OK.

Eric Thur

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Yoder" <oscale48@...> wrote:

I Would imagine that preceding Mid-Continent Petroleum
was the Mid-Continent Oil Refining CO. Located in E. St.Louis Illinois.
(M.C.O.R.Co.)
I have builders photos of ACF Type 7 twin dome 8,000 cars with the high walk
ways.
OR was this a different company?
Rich Yoder


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
erict1361
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 9:48 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Mid-Continent Petroleum (COSDEN) Paint scheme's

According to information I have gathered from various websites,
Mid-Continent Petroleum (C.O.S.X) had GATC Type 17, ACF Type 11 and Type 21
Tankcars. The Type 11 being the largest numbers. The cars were painted in
the "Diamond Products" Red Diamond's with White lettering scheme in the
1920's and later re-painted with only white lettering with a large "D-X"
logo. "D-X Gasoline was introduced in 1933 and " Diamond Gas stations began
changing there signs to D-X" beginning in 1946.

My question is what year did Cosden begin re-painting the Red and white
"Diamond" paint scheme to the all white lettered "D-X" scheme? Did any cars
still have the original lettering past 1947 or were all Tank cars re painted
by then?

Thanks,

Eric Thur




------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links


CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi,

(Sorry if some folks on both groups get this more than once!)

Back in late 2009 I asked on both the CBQ list and the STMFC list for help creating a model of a CB&Q composite mill gon.

I've got some pictures of the completed model now, and thought others might be interested. Note this is N scale.

I had a lot of fun doing this car.

Sorry about the super-long link!

https://zjw8hq.sn2.livefilestore.com/y1p8aDKkjZB-SYbQNI1ynaecHdNLqXTe_BrcpCPVFHjfihjnh3dZTWLdW3Rj7F_pg78gaNVUOcfNDRScwnmaTFzevmkPL-uT6iQ/CBQ_composite_mill_gon_MT_model_10.jpg?psid=1

or if that is too long to work, try the short link below...

http://tinyurl.com/8aftr3t

Thanks again to everyone for the tremendously helpful responses.

- Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@HellGateModels.com>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons


Hi,

Thanks everyone for your more than helpful responses - I would never have guessed that so much imformation would be coming my way!
Several folks sent me images off-list, thank you for those as they were very helpful.


Here is my admittedly meager comtribution to the topic...

A builders photo from the 1931 CBC (TSC #46) pg 215...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/4198770352_3af882d03d_b.jpg

An set of images of the N-scale Micro-Trains gon in CB&Q paint...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2660/4198016869_ca287111ea_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2557/4198770700_ced97c70ab_b.jpg

Lastly, am image of the undecorated Micro-Trains shell...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2786/4198017167_0dca0ebd6f_b.jpg

The car looks pretty good rite out of the box, and the factory lettering appears to be correct. A few things need to be fixed.

* The car comes with a straight center sill, and the prototype has a fishbelly center sill. This needs to be corrected

* The car rides too high and needs to be lowered

* The car comes with a side-mounted brake wheel. While the photos I've received are not entirely conclusive, it appears these cars
had (I'm not sure I've for the terminology right) lever brakes, much like those on the as-delivered USRA composite gons. This will
need to be changed as well

* The car comes with dreadnaught drop ends, and they should be 5-rib inverse Murphy. Not sure how to correct this...

* The two end panels in the Micro-Trains model are slightly longer then the rest of the panels, and the prototype was just the
opposite. I'm not going to make any effort to correct this. Oh well!

Thanks again everyone, I've got some fun work to do.

- Claus Schlund


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@hellgatemodels.com>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons


Hi,

I'm trying to gather up some info on CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons, but information and in-service images of these particular
gons are proving elusive. I'm hoping someone here can help.

The cars I'm asking about are pictured in the 1931 CBC (TSC #46) page 215, which shows a builders photo of CB&Q 195499, described
as follows: Composite Gondola Car, Solid Bottom, Drop Ends, ARA Class GM, Length Inside 48'6"; Builder, Pressed Steel Car Company.

Apparently, this car was part of the series CB&Q 195000 to 196499. For a class that had 1500 cars in it, you would think I'd be
able to turn up SOMETHING! I have the CB&Q Historical Societies Data Sheet on composite gons, but it covers only 40 foot gons and
makes no mention of the above cars.

According to Dec 1930 ORER, statistics for this car class are:

MCB class GM (gon, drop ends)
195000 to 196499
IL 48' 6"
IW 9' 3/4"
IH 3' 10"
OL 49' 9 3/4"
OW 10' 3"
Extreme Ht 7' 6 3/4"
Cap 1770 cu ft or 100000 lb
1498 cars

An image of an N scale model of this car by MicroTrains can be seen at:

http://i.ebayimg.com/05/!BP8hDBgCGk~$(KGrHgoOKj4EjlLmY+TiBJ2Qr6EpC!~~_12.JPG

(hopefully the line will not wrap!)

The MicroTrains model appears to be a excellent match structurally. But I'm curious about the paint and lettering. The builders
photo in the above 1931 CBC shows a two-color paint scheme, with all the wood parts painted white and the metal parts painted a
darker color. I assume this paint scheme was for the photo only, and not for service. Can someone on this list confirm? Also, can
anyone point me to a in-service photo of these gons? I'm interested in the as-built lettering. Lastly, anyone know if these gons
were used for any specific service, routing or customer on the CB&Q?

Thanks in advance for any info.

- Claus





------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links




Re: Mid-Continent Petroleum (COSDEN) Paint scheme's

Rich Yoder
 

I Would imagine that preceding Mid-Continent Petroleum
was the Mid-Continent Oil Refining CO. Located in E. St.Louis Illinois.
(M.C.O.R.Co.)
I have builders photos of ACF Type 7 twin dome 8,000 cars with the high walk
ways.
OR was this a different company?
Rich Yoder

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
erict1361
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 9:48 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Mid-Continent Petroleum (COSDEN) Paint scheme's

According to information I have gathered from various websites,
Mid-Continent Petroleum (C.O.S.X) had GATC Type 17, ACF Type 11 and Type 21
Tankcars. The Type 11 being the largest numbers. The cars were painted in
the "Diamond Products" Red Diamond's with White lettering scheme in the
1920's and later re-painted with only white lettering with a large "D-X"
logo. "D-X Gasoline was introduced in 1933 and " Diamond Gas stations began
changing there signs to D-X" beginning in 1946.

My question is what year did Cosden begin re-painting the Red and white
"Diamond" paint scheme to the all white lettered "D-X" scheme? Did any cars
still have the original lettering past 1947 or were all Tank cars re painted
by then?

Thanks,

Eric Thur




------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: Freight Car Identification (was Stanchions)

David Payne
 

Just wanted to thank everyone who had offered comments on the "mystery car"
...

Over on the OSCALEMODELERS yahoo group, Jim Martin offered the following
...

From another list. The 2nd car is a OTDX gondola. It was used in the carbon

black / rubber industry. Sorry have no photo links.


Turns out that this is what I was looking for since my question was
originally prompted by a friend commenting that the car looked like the cars
"that we switched into the Uniroyal Plant in Opelika, Alabama, and were carrying
carbon black."

Thanks again for everyone's interest.

David Payne


Re: Poling Pockets

Norm Buckhart
 

anyone that might have photos/drawings/or plans for the poles, and
pole hanging brackets, and the pulling chain, hooks and hanging
brackets, that an accurate model can be made from, would be greatly
appreciated. Can also contact me off line at 'norm@protocraft.com.
thanks in advance. Norm Buckhart

On Sep 5, 2012, at 7:21 AM, rhammill wrote:

Hi, all-

When looking at the instructions for the Atlas HH-660 I noticed the
polling pockets were separate parts. I purchased a bunch for use on
other locomotives.

I don't know what their general availability is but they are part
#994229.

Randy Hammill
Http://newbritainstation.com
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
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http://truelinetrains.com
http://www.facebook.com/TrueLineTrains

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rogergperkins" <roger39perkins@...>
wrote:

I just noticed this topic, but do not have any source for poling
pockets.
It caught my attention because I remember seeing this done a few
times back in my childhood, 1940-1957, in Beecher City, IL on the
B&O branchline that ran from Beardstown to Shawneetown, IL.
There was one siding used primarily by the grain elevator. A north
bound train could back boxcars into that siding or back in to pick
up full boxcars of grain. Poling was used when a south bound train
came to pick up full cars or drop off empties.
At the time, I never realized how dangerous this operation could
be especially for the crew who placed the pole and watched from the
ground.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "appremo" <armprem2@> wrote:

Does anyone know of a source for poling pockets for some scratch
building projects? Armand Premo


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Re: Poling Pockets

Randy Hammill
 

Hi, all-

When looking at the instructions for the Atlas HH-660 I noticed the polling pockets were separate parts. I purchased a bunch for use on other locomotives.

I don't know what their general availability is but they are part #994229.

Randy Hammill
Http://newbritainstation.com
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
--
http://truelinetrains.com
http://www.facebook.com/TrueLineTrains

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rogergperkins" <roger39perkins@...> wrote:

I just noticed this topic, but do not have any source for poling pockets.
It caught my attention because I remember seeing this done a few times back in my childhood, 1940-1957, in Beecher City, IL on the B&O branchline that ran from Beardstown to Shawneetown, IL.
There was one siding used primarily by the grain elevator. A north bound train could back boxcars into that siding or back in to pick up full boxcars of grain. Poling was used when a south bound train came to pick up full cars or drop off empties.
At the time, I never realized how dangerous this operation could be especially for the crew who placed the pole and watched from the ground.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "appremo" <armprem2@> wrote:

Does anyone know of a source for poling pockets for some scratch building projects? Armand Premo


Re: Rare Freight Car Films/ CRR of NJ hopper

water.kresse@...
 

As much of the C&Os coal was going west as to the Lakes.  West equalled Chicago and farther.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----


From: "james" <bi291@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2012 9:49:38 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rare Freight Car Films/ CRR of NJ hopper

  I think that your listing of the RRs correlated with the industries around Milwaukee is the clue to the situation.
  Although coal is thought of as a commodity, there are a lot of different types of coal so depending on where in the US that type is mined, that is the homeroad cars you are looking to have.
  It could be that, for example, the industries you see don't use the type of coal mined along the C&NW, but something more common along the IC or whatever.  So except for overhead traffic passing by, the hoppers should match the industry (coking coal, steam coal, metalurgical, etc) not what is the homeroad for the city.
Jim Murrie

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Hostetler" <cesicjh@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "EdwardM" <ed_mines@> wrote:
Regardless of what it was carrying a CNJ hopper that far west would be an odd duck, standing out from many 100s (or maybe 1000s) of local road hoppers....
You put your finger exactly on why I am confused about what to do, Ed.  Looking at my photos in Milwaukee from 1952 to 1959, I don't see a sea of 100 or 1000 C&NW/CMO or MILW hoppers.  Specifically on Jones Island (in the car ferry yard) I see a lot of C&O hoppers.  At Milwaukee Solvay (a coke plant) I see CB&Q, ERIE, and WAB (many) hoppers.  And at St. Francis (junction with TMER branch that serves a coal-fired power plant I see PRR, CEI, CB&Q, IC (also GS gons which are pretty cool), and L&M (this is pre-merger).  

I admit the sample size is rather small but I am looking at pictures of areas/facilities, not individual freight cars, so the idea that the photographer was selecting non-local cars preferentially doesn't seem right to me in this case.  I just don't see any C&NW hoppers.  So I'm either forced to conclude my sample is biased and model lots of local hoppers per the "conventional wisdom" or go with the photos I do have and model a dogs-breakfast non-local hopper fleet.  

Any suggestions?

Regards,

Charles Hostetler



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Re: Rare Freight Car Films/ CRR of NJ hopper

james murrie
 

I think that your listing of the RRs correlated with the industries around Milwaukee is the clue to the situation.
Although coal is thought of as a commodity, there are a lot of different types of coal so depending on where in the US that type is mined, that is the homeroad cars you are looking to have.
It could be that, for example, the industries you see don't use the type of coal mined along the C&NW, but something more common along the IC or whatever. So except for overhead traffic passing by, the hoppers should match the industry (coking coal, steam coal, metalurgical, etc) not what is the homeroad for the city.
Jim Murrie

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Hostetler" <cesicjh@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "EdwardM" <ed_mines@> wrote:
Regardless of what it was carrying a CNJ hopper that far west would be an odd duck, standing out from many 100s (or maybe 1000s) of local road hoppers....
You put your finger exactly on why I am confused about what to do, Ed. Looking at my photos in Milwaukee from 1952 to 1959, I don't see a sea of 100 or 1000 C&NW/CMO or MILW hoppers. Specifically on Jones Island (in the car ferry yard) I see a lot of C&O hoppers. At Milwaukee Solvay (a coke plant) I see CB&Q, ERIE, and WAB (many) hoppers. And at St. Francis (junction with TMER branch that serves a coal-fired power plant I see PRR, CEI, CB&Q, IC (also GS gons which are pretty cool), and L&M (this is pre-merger).

I admit the sample size is rather small but I am looking at pictures of areas/facilities, not individual freight cars, so the idea that the photographer was selecting non-local cars preferentially doesn't seem right to me in this case. I just don't see any C&NW hoppers. So I'm either forced to conclude my sample is biased and model lots of local hoppers per the "conventional wisdom" or go with the photos I do have and model a dogs-breakfast non-local hopper fleet.

Any suggestions?

Regards,

Charles Hostetler

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