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SP F-70-2 paint scheme

rdietrichson
 

Hey all,
After following Allen Wood's article in the Westewrn Prototype Modeler I've run into another stumbling block. The article calls for the model to be painted boxcar red, but the Champ lettering Guide says the car should be painted black. For a car running in 1950, what is the correct color?
Thanks for any help.
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


Re: Mid-Continent Petroleum (COSDEN) Paint scheme's

switchengines <jrs060@...>
 

Eric,

You might be interested in also seeing this photo from the Library of
Congress which shows one of the GATC type 17 insulated cars at Tulsa,
Oklahoma in the 1930s era large DIAMOND scheme. It appears to be
painted in a lighter color with the lettering in black?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8d09232/

Looks as if the car is in asphalt or cut-back service from the stains
running down the tank sides, note the extra "board" insert between the
end running board and the bolster along the side running board. Sure
would make an interesting model!

Jerry Stewart

Woodstock, Illinois

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "erict1361" <erict1361@...> wrote:

Jerry,

Thanks, I never knew that the Large DIAMOND scheme existed?


Eric Thur



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "switchengines" <jrs060@> wrote:

Well Eric, you missed a paint scheme in the middle between the 1920s "Diamond
Products" and the, I think, late 1930s large "D-X Gasoline" scheme. It featured a large
"Diamond" lettering and you can have a look at it in this SL-SF 1285 accident photo
taken on October 10, 1935 at Monett, Missouri, from the Frisco Library.

http://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/friscoline/images/photos/p01608.jpg

To try and answer your question about the date when they started repainting the
fleet into the "D-X Gasoline" scheme, from what I've looked at in the Library Of
Congress photos collection taken during the early years of WWII, it appears that the
large "Diamond" scheme was still around on some cars during the early 1940s. So
my best guess is sometime in the late 1930s as the start of the "D-X Gasoline"
scheme? The "Diamond Products" scheme, with the red diamond back round that
Walthers has done on the 8k AC&F, former proto tank car, probable was gone by the
mid-1930s. And judging from the number of cars repainted in that photo, I think I'm
about right?

Trying to help you, Jerry Stewart

Woodstock, Illinois


Re: Railworks X32 on Ebay

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Wow. $52 for an excellent brass model of a PRR X32? Keep yer
eyes open, it's a buyers market on Ebay...
The best deals are when the buyer isn't sure of what they have or the item being sold isn't in the expected catagory. Old brass fits in this catagory.

A lot of bidders hide in the weeds until just before the auction ends and then make a bid.

There are 2 kinds of offerings - those who want to get rid of the items and those who think they have collectable treasures. Some of the later relist items after the auction expires with no bidders. There are some freight car models (Like Tichy & F&C) where virtually the entire line is listed.

Many of the RR "craft" freight car kits are the chaff - like the Ambroid ACF covered hopper and and the combination reefer/poultry car.

Ed Mines


Re: Shapeways

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

Bill

Unfortunately... you seem to have based your assessment on one sample of an unidentified Shapeways build. Each of the many available materials has different characteristics, and may be more or less suitable for a given part.

Questions:
- Which Shapeways material was used?
- What type of surfaces are on the part?
- How large/small was the object?
- Quote: "material is too thin to mold it"... This sounds like a design issue?

I'm agreeing with you that Shapeways is no panacea for development of production model parts, but with modest cost and quick turn-around it is often suitable for one-offs and pilot models. YMMV

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 10:26 AM 9/6/2012, you wrote:
Much has been said at times on Yahoo groups suggesting Shapeways as a viable
source of low production or 1 off model railroad items for a reasonable
price. Since starting my own part designing with Solidworks about 5 years
ago I have long been skeptical of what you would get for your purchase. I
have mostly thought (without seeing first hand) they are not there yet. The
best I had ever heard was from N Scalers saying their purchased items were
"acceptable".

That changed about an hour ago. A fellow S Scaler sent me an S Scale roof he
purchased. The material is rather fragile. It arrived to him broken - which
is why he graciously sent it to me just to see. In some ways it is a little
better than I expected but mostly it is **much worse** than I expected. The
material is a bit waxy but the layering is just awful! These is no chance
anyone would find it to be acceptable right out of the box. It was built
across the width so the roof was made vertically. It probably would have
been a worse finish if the roof was built as if you would see it on that
car. This just more than confirms my thoughts about Shapeways - you get what
you pay for and they are by far NOT there yet!

The material is too thin to mold it and try and use the casting as a master
which you would have to sand the cast part extensively. That is too much
like work! To get this roof made where I get my stuff printed would cost a
TON of money and possibly not that much better in finish but the material is
stronger so there are more possibilities - but nothing is easy for sure.


Thank You,
Bill Lane


Re: Mid-Continent Petroleum (COSDEN) Paint scheme's

erict1361 <erict1361@...>
 

Jerry,

Thanks, I never knew that the Large DIAMOND scheme existed?


Eric Thur

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "switchengines" <jrs060@...> wrote:

Well Eric, you missed a paint scheme in the middle between the 1920s "Diamond
Products" and the, I think, late 1930s large "D-X Gasoline" scheme. It featured a large
"Diamond" lettering and you can have a look at it in this SL-SF 1285 accident photo
taken on October 10, 1935 at Monett, Missouri, from the Frisco Library.

http://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/friscoline/images/photos/p01608.jpg

To try and answer your question about the date when they started repainting the
fleet into the "D-X Gasoline" scheme, from what I've looked at in the Library Of
Congress photos collection taken during the early years of WWII, it appears that the
large "Diamond" scheme was still around on some cars during the early 1940s. So
my best guess is sometime in the late 1930s as the start of the "D-X Gasoline"
scheme? The "Diamond Products" scheme, with the red diamond back round that
Walthers has done on the 8k AC&F, former proto tank car, probable was gone by the
mid-1930s. And judging from the number of cars repainted in that photo, I think I'm
about right?

Trying to help you, Jerry Stewart

Woodstock, Illinois





--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "erict1361" <erict1361@> wrote:

According to information I have gathered from various websites, Mid-Continent Petroleum (C.O.S.X) had GATC Type 17, ACF Type 11 and Type 21 Tankcars. The Type 11 being the largest numbers. The cars were painted in the "Diamond Products" Red Diamond's with White lettering scheme in the 1920's and later re-painted with only white lettering with a large "D-X" logo. "D-X Gasoline was introduced in 1933 and " Diamond Gas stations began changing there signs to D-X" beginning in 1946.

My question is what year did Cosden begin re-painting the Red and white "Diamond" paint scheme to the all white lettered "D-X" scheme? Did any cars still have the original lettering past 1947 or were all Tank cars re painted by then?

Thanks,

Eric Thur


Re: sugar beets

Clark Propst
 

Probably were beet dumps for loading cars. Around here during the beet rush, any open car with holes smaller than the beets would do. Anything from hoppers to mill gons.

Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "bbbogart56" <bbbogart56@...> wrote:

I am attempting to model the NKP in the 50's. Some of the trackage shows sidings labelled Sugar Beet. Were these elevators or a pprocessing plant? Anyone have a lead on pictures of frieght cars in Nothern Ohio/Indiana? Thanks!
Bruce Bogart


Re: Shapeways

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

For my part, I will say that pretty much everyone I know - myself included
- has been satisfied with their purchases from Shapeways, ranging from
trucks to complete cars. I've had a TT scale covered hopper and a pulpwood
rack from them, and my only complaint was the surface finish - a bit
grainy; that was, however, before they introduced the Frosted Ultra Detail
material which is smoother and stronger than their previous materials. The
covered hopper is fairly solid, but the rack is quite spiderweb-like and
one would expect quite fragile, but it's proven to be surprisingly strong.

The new Frosted material is considerably better in finish, and the
strength is satisfactory too. If one is careful with one's models (and
little more so than with any other model), I don't see there being any
issue that could arise.

Just thought I'd put a different opinion on the subject out there for
others to consider.

Frank Valoczy
New Westminster, BC


Re: Shapeways

rckwallaby
 

Interesting comments Bill.
And I guess... scary.

I've just ordered a complete HO scale flat car from Shapeways so I guess I'll know within a couple of weeks whether you're mostly right all the time, or just with respect to the item you've seen.

The model I've ordered is of a HO standard gauge flat car used by Railways of Victoria to tranship the 2'6" gauge steam locos of 'Puffing Billy' heritage for workshop overhaul. A note and link is listed below.

I chose to have these printed in a higher quality substrate called 'Frosted Ultra Detail'. This is the first item I have ever ordered from Shapeways. It cost me about $30 for the item and $20 for postage.

Several variations of this model have been offered; HO and O scale, a complete model and one that should be supplemented with brass, etc detail parts. - That's the one I'm getting.

Anyway we'll see what it all means. I'll let youze know.

Here's the notes and links below.

Cheers

Phil Morrow
Melbourne - the one in AUS.

VR 129 Q Transfer Wagon in HO and O Scales

On Jeev's Shop on Shapeways.

HO (1/87) version one detailed with buffers, brake wheels and brake line /
piping.

<http://www.shapeways.com/model/677262/pbr-q129-ho-1-87-scale.html>

Version two, less couplers (add brass ones), hand brake wheels (use etched
brass),
and brake lines (use brass wire)

<http://www.shapeways.com/model/678588/pbr-q129-v2-ho-1-87-scale.html>

And in O scale, similar versions:

V1 with details.

<http://www.shapeways.com/shops/shapeways.com/shops/Jeevi?s=36>

V2, modeller to add details.

http://www.shapeways.com/model/678674/pbr-q129-o-1-48-scale.html


The HO version has a piping detail plan to assist the modeller and a
downloadable URL for decals.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Lane" <bill@...> wrote:

Much has been said at times on Yahoo groups suggesting Shapeways as a viable
source of low production or 1 off model railroad items for a reasonable
price. Since starting my own part designing with Solidworks about 5 years
ago I have long been skeptical of what you would get for your purchase. I
have mostly thought (without seeing first hand) they are not there yet. The
best I had ever heard was from N Scalers saying their purchased items were
"acceptable".



That changed about an hour ago. A fellow S Scaler sent me an S Scale roof he
purchased. The material is rather fragile. It arrived to him broken - which
is why he graciously sent it to me just to see. In some ways it is a little
better than I expected but mostly it is **much worse** than I expected. The
material is a bit waxy but the layering is just awful! These is no chance
anyone would find it to be acceptable right out of the box. It was built
across the width so the roof was made vertically. It probably would have
been a worse finish if the roof was built as if you would see it on that
car. This just more than confirms my thoughts about Shapeways - you get what
you pay for and they are by far NOT there yet!



The material is too thin to mold it and try and use the casting as a master
which you would have to sand the cast part extensively. That is too much
like work! To get this roof made where I get my stuff printed would cost a
TON of money and possibly not that much better in finish but the material is
stronger so there are more possibilities - but nothing is easy for sure.



Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

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Re: CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Rick,

Thanks for the compliment.

Will send you something off-line.

- Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
From: <Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@hellgatemodels.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons


Claus,
Your model is great. Can you provide me eith info on how you built the car?
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC

---- "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:
Hi,

(Sorry if some folks on both groups get this more than once!)

Back in late 2009 I asked on both the CBQ list and the STMFC list for help
creating a model of a CB&Q composite mill gon.

I've got some pictures of the completed model now, and thought others might
be interested. Note this is N scale.

I had a lot of fun doing this car.

Sorry about the super-long link!

https://zjw8hq.sn2.livefilestore.com/y1p8aDKkjZB-SYbQNI1ynaecHdNLqXTe_BrcpCPVFHjfihjnh3dZTWLdW3Rj7F_pg78gaNVUOcfNDRScwnmaTFzevmkPL-uT6iQ/CBQ_composite_mill_gon_MT_model_10.jpg?psid=1

or if that is too long to work, try the short link below...

http://tinyurl.com/8aftr3t

Thanks again to everyone for the tremendously helpful responses.

- Claus Schlund


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@HellGateModels.com>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons


Hi,

Thanks everyone for your more than helpful responses - I would never have
guessed that so much imformation would be coming my way!
Several folks sent me images off-list, thank you for those as they were
very helpful.


Here is my admittedly meager comtribution to the topic...

A builders photo from the 1931 CBC (TSC #46) pg 215...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/4198770352_3af882d03d_b.jpg

An set of images of the N-scale Micro-Trains gon in CB&Q paint...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2660/4198016869_ca287111ea_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2557/4198770700_ced97c70ab_b.jpg

Lastly, am image of the undecorated Micro-Trains shell...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2786/4198017167_0dca0ebd6f_b.jpg

The car looks pretty good rite out of the box, and the factory lettering
appears to be correct. A few things need to be fixed.

* The car comes with a straight center sill, and the prototype has a
fishbelly center sill. This needs to be corrected

* The car rides too high and needs to be lowered

* The car comes with a side-mounted brake wheel. While the photos I've
received are not entirely conclusive, it appears these cars
had (I'm not sure I've for the terminology right) lever brakes, much like
those on the as-delivered USRA composite gons. This will
need to be changed as well

* The car comes with dreadnaught drop ends, and they should be 5-rib
inverse Murphy. Not sure how to correct this...

* The two end panels in the Micro-Trains model are slightly longer then
the rest of the panels, and the prototype was just the
opposite. I'm not going to make any effort to correct this. Oh well!

Thanks again everyone, I've got some fun work to do.

- Claus Schlund


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@hellgatemodels.com>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons


Hi,

I'm trying to gather up some info on CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons,
but information and in-service images of these particular
gons are proving elusive. I'm hoping someone here can help.

The cars I'm asking about are pictured in the 1931 CBC (TSC #46) page
215, which shows a builders photo of CB&Q 195499, described
as follows: Composite Gondola Car, Solid Bottom, Drop Ends, ARA Class GM,
Length Inside 48'6"; Builder, Pressed Steel Car Company.

Apparently, this car was part of the series CB&Q 195000 to 196499. For a
class that had 1500 cars in it, you would think I'd be
able to turn up SOMETHING! I have the CB&Q Historical Societies Data Sheet
on composite gons, but it covers only 40 foot gons and
makes no mention of the above cars.

According to Dec 1930 ORER, statistics for this car class are:

MCB class GM (gon, drop ends)
195000 to 196499
IL 48' 6"
IW 9' 3/4"
IH 3' 10"
OL 49' 9 3/4"
OW 10' 3"
Extreme Ht 7' 6 3/4"
Cap 1770 cu ft or 100000 lb
1498 cars

An image of an N scale model of this car by MicroTrains can be seen at:

http://i.ebayimg.com/05/!BP8hDBgCGk~$(KGrHgoOKj4EjlLmY+TiBJ2Qr6EpC!~~_12.JPG

(hopefully the line will not wrap!)

The MicroTrains model appears to be a excellent match structurally. But
I'm curious about the paint and lettering. The builders
photo in the above 1931 CBC shows a two-color paint scheme, with all the
wood parts painted white and the metal parts painted a
darker color. I assume this paint scheme was for the photo only, and not
for service. Can someone on this list confirm? Also, can
anyone point me to a in-service photo of these gons? I'm interested in the
as-built lettering. Lastly, anyone know if these gons
were used for any specific service, routing or customer on the CB&Q?

Thanks in advance for any info.

- Claus





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Re: CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Charlie,

Yes, you are correct. I had begun to notice this back in Dec 2009 when I wrote:

* The two end panels in the Micro-Trains model are slightly longer then
the rest of the panels, and the prototype was just the
opposite. I'm not going to make any effort to correct this. Oh well!
But I had not realized the asymmetry you are pointing out.

I guess my response is still "Oh well!"

Yes, it is certainly weird!

- Claus Schlund



----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@comcast.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>; <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:35 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons




Klaus-

I didn’t notice this before but the end panels on the prototype is not symmetrical….it appears that one end of the car is shorter (in relation to the body bolster) than the other. The strap diagonal on the long end is at the same angle as the pressed steel truss members, but on one end the panel is shorter and the strap diagonal is consequently at a sharper angle.

This shows up on the builders photo and in-service cars but not the Kalmbach MR Cyclopedia drawing. I wonder if this was done for clearance on the brake gear and platform?
Weird.

Charlie Vlk







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sugar beets

Bruce Bogart
 

I am attempting to model the NKP in the 50's. Some of the trackage shows sidings labelled Sugar Beet. Were these elevators or a pprocessing plant? Anyone have a lead on pictures of frieght cars in Nothern Ohio/Indiana? Thanks!
Bruce Bogart


Coal as a (Complex) Commodity [was Re: Rare Freight Car Films/ CRR of NJ hopper]

Charles Hostetler <cesicjh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
Go with what you see. There are more precedents for this than not. This is what I saw growing up in Pgh. Each industry seems to have, and in documented cases did, contract for raw materials from whoever could get it to them cheaply and reliably. This would also result in oddball yard "fleets", which did not look much like what one would expect in hindcasting.
...
Your last case in point made me laugh. That looks like a coal-fired plant mixing high-grade Pennsylvania bituminous with lower-grade mid-western (Illinois?) bituminous. This was, and is, very common; those are the exact roads you might expect to see.

Thank you Elden and Walter and Jim for you insights. When I looked into the commodity flows for bituminous coal into Wisconsin I believe they strongly support you interpretations and comments. The industries and facilities in Wisconsin were using a mix of southern Illinois/Indiana and West Virginia/Virginia/eastern Kentucky coal. The mix is evident in both the rail and marine traffic. The C&NW wasn't a big coal hauling railroad, and it seems that its major coal traffic from southern Illinois was bound for Iowa and Minnesota via Nelson, rather than east and north to the Great Lakes areas. Thus my local area (Milwaukee) is seeing a diverse mix of off-line sources of coal. I appreciate your help to get me recalibrated :)

For those interested, I've posted the bituminous coal flows to and from Wisconsin and a brief discussion at:

http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2012/09/coal-to-wisconsin.html


Regards,

Charles Hostetler


Re: SP Flat cars

rdietrichson
 

Thanks Rich, just what I needed.
Rick Dietrichson


---- Rich C <rhcdmc@yahoo.com> wrote:

This is fom the SP Freight Cars site:
 
SP 79700-79824 re #'d SP 560001-560124
These 53'-6" flat cars were built 2-4/1941 by SP Equipment Co. (Sacremento)
and featured fishbelly side sills, 16 stake pockets, Columbia Steel trucks,
poling pockets, overhanging wood decks and riveted construction. An article on
these cars by Allen Wood appeared in the November-December 1976 issue of Western
Prototype Modeler incuding prototype and model photos.
 
 
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/spcars/byclass/flat/f070-02.htm
Rich Christie


________________________________
From: "Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com" <Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 5:07 PM
Subject: [STMFC] SP Flat cars



 

Hello all,
Could someone provide me with the correct road numbers for the SP's F-70-2 flat cars built in '49 (?). I'm not sure if they were renumbered later in their lives, and I would like to use the build date info.
Thanks,
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC




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Those missing Coal Cars - wasRe: Rare Freight Car Films/ CRR of NJ hopper

np328
 

I realize that the dates of these doc's this data is drawn from differ from your prior stated dates. They do for my date of modeling also, however I'm studying these to see if patterns are there that might be applied in a general sense.

From an AAR document dated Oct. 30, 1944
Open Top Cars;

Gondolas: The supply in the Eastern-Allegheny roads as a whole is tighter than elsewhere throughout the country, with a few isolated deficiencies. The number of Eastern-Allegheny gondolas on western roads continues heavy, and it has been necessary to authorize the use of some of these cars on the principle roads originating sugar beets during the month of October in order to meet the car requirements.

Coal Cars: During the period of September 11 to December 21 all requirements for coal cars were met with the exception of small deficiencies on the B&O and the D&SL during the last days of September.
In the states of Colorado, Idaho, Utah, and Wyoming the annual harvesting of the sugar beet crop is now reaching its peak movement for the season. The six principal roads participating in this seasonal movement estimate there will be 57,769 carloads of beets loaded in 1944, compared with the actual loading of 56,680 carloads of the 1943 season.

From an NP - Statement of Cars On-line April 1st 1945
Gondolas – NP system owned: 3170
Foreign gondolas online: 2767
Total on line : 5937
Percentage of NP owned on system: 84.35
Total vs. home ownership: 157.98

Hoppers and Harts: 2531
Foreign online: 0
Percentage of NP owned on system: 87.19
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Jim Dick - St. Paul, MN

Also: I thought that I had seen a directed order for hopper regarding the Allegheny roads, directing the return of hoppers home, however I cannot seem to locate it at the moment. At the time I was looking at it I thought, The N&W or VGN or roads like that running dry on hoppers?
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Charles Hostetler wrote:
I admit the sample size is rather small but I am looking at pictures of areas/facilities, not individual freight cars, so the idea that the photographer was selecting non-local cars preferentially doesn't seem right to me in this case. I just don't see any C&NW hoppers. So I'm either forced to conclude my sample is biased and model lots of local hoppers per the "conventional wisdom" or go with the photos I do have and model a dogs-breakfast non-local hopper fleet.
Any suggestions?
Regards, Charles Hostetler


Re: SP Flat cars

Rich C
 

This is fom the SP Freight Cars site:
 
SP 79700-79824 re #'d SP 560001-560124
These 53'-6" flat cars were built 2-4/1941 by SP Equipment Co. (Sacremento)
and featured fishbelly side sills, 16 stake pockets, Columbia Steel trucks,
poling pockets, overhanging wood decks and riveted construction. An article on
these cars by Allen Wood appeared in the November-December 1976 issue of Western
Prototype Modeler incuding prototype and model photos.
 
 
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/spcars/byclass/flat/f070-02.htm
Rich Christie


________________________________
From: "Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com" <Rdietrichson@ec.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 5:07 PM
Subject: [STMFC] SP Flat cars



 

Hello all,
Could someone provide me with the correct road numbers for the SP's F-70-2 flat cars built in '49 (?). I'm not sure if they were renumbered later in their lives, and I would like to use the build date info.
Thanks,
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC




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Re: CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons

rdietrichson
 

Claus,
Your model is great. Can you provide me eith info on how you built the car?
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC

---- "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:

Hi,

(Sorry if some folks on both groups get this more than once!)

Back in late 2009 I asked on both the CBQ list and the STMFC list for help
creating a model of a CB&Q composite mill gon.

I've got some pictures of the completed model now, and thought others might
be interested. Note this is N scale.

I had a lot of fun doing this car.

Sorry about the super-long link!

https://zjw8hq.sn2.livefilestore.com/y1p8aDKkjZB-SYbQNI1ynaecHdNLqXTe_BrcpCPVFHjfihjnh3dZTWLdW3Rj7F_pg78gaNVUOcfNDRScwnmaTFzevmkPL-uT6iQ/CBQ_composite_mill_gon_MT_model_10.jpg?psid=1

or if that is too long to work, try the short link below...

http://tinyurl.com/8aftr3t

Thanks again to everyone for the tremendously helpful responses.

- Claus Schlund


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@HellGateModels.com>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons


Hi,

Thanks everyone for your more than helpful responses - I would never have
guessed that so much imformation would be coming my way!
Several folks sent me images off-list, thank you for those as they were
very helpful.


Here is my admittedly meager comtribution to the topic...

A builders photo from the 1931 CBC (TSC #46) pg 215...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4043/4198770352_3af882d03d_b.jpg

An set of images of the N-scale Micro-Trains gon in CB&Q paint...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2660/4198016869_ca287111ea_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2557/4198770700_ced97c70ab_b.jpg

Lastly, am image of the undecorated Micro-Trains shell...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2786/4198017167_0dca0ebd6f_b.jpg

The car looks pretty good rite out of the box, and the factory lettering
appears to be correct. A few things need to be fixed.

* The car comes with a straight center sill, and the prototype has a
fishbelly center sill. This needs to be corrected

* The car rides too high and needs to be lowered

* The car comes with a side-mounted brake wheel. While the photos I've
received are not entirely conclusive, it appears these cars
had (I'm not sure I've for the terminology right) lever brakes, much like
those on the as-delivered USRA composite gons. This will
need to be changed as well

* The car comes with dreadnaught drop ends, and they should be 5-rib
inverse Murphy. Not sure how to correct this...

* The two end panels in the Micro-Trains model are slightly longer then
the rest of the panels, and the prototype was just the
opposite. I'm not going to make any effort to correct this. Oh well!

Thanks again everyone, I've got some fun work to do.

- Claus Schlund


----- Original Message -----
From: "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@hellgatemodels.com>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: [STMFC] CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons


Hi,

I'm trying to gather up some info on CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons,
but information and in-service images of these particular
gons are proving elusive. I'm hoping someone here can help.

The cars I'm asking about are pictured in the 1931 CBC (TSC #46) page
215, which shows a builders photo of CB&Q 195499, described
as follows: Composite Gondola Car, Solid Bottom, Drop Ends, ARA Class GM,
Length Inside 48'6"; Builder, Pressed Steel Car Company.

Apparently, this car was part of the series CB&Q 195000 to 196499. For a
class that had 1500 cars in it, you would think I'd be
able to turn up SOMETHING! I have the CB&Q Historical Societies Data Sheet
on composite gons, but it covers only 40 foot gons and
makes no mention of the above cars.

According to Dec 1930 ORER, statistics for this car class are:

MCB class GM (gon, drop ends)
195000 to 196499
IL 48' 6"
IW 9' 3/4"
IH 3' 10"
OL 49' 9 3/4"
OW 10' 3"
Extreme Ht 7' 6 3/4"
Cap 1770 cu ft or 100000 lb
1498 cars

An image of an N scale model of this car by MicroTrains can be seen at:

http://i.ebayimg.com/05/!BP8hDBgCGk~$(KGrHgoOKj4EjlLmY+TiBJ2Qr6EpC!~~_12.JPG

(hopefully the line will not wrap!)

The MicroTrains model appears to be a excellent match structurally. But
I'm curious about the paint and lettering. The builders
photo in the above 1931 CBC shows a two-color paint scheme, with all the
wood parts painted white and the metal parts painted a
darker color. I assume this paint scheme was for the photo only, and not
for service. Can someone on this list confirm? Also, can
anyone point me to a in-service photo of these gons? I'm interested in the
as-built lettering. Lastly, anyone know if these gons
were used for any specific service, routing or customer on the CB&Q?

Thanks in advance for any info.

- Claus





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SP Flat cars

rdietrichson
 

Hello all,
Could someone provide me with the correct road numbers for the SP's F-70-2 flat cars built in '49 (?). I'm not sure if they were renumbered later in their lives, and I would like to use the build date info.
Thanks,
Rick Dietrichson
Wilmington, NC


Re: Mid-Continent Petroleum (COSDEN) Paint scheme's

switchengines <jrs060@...>
 

Well Eric, you missed a paint scheme in the middle between the 1920s "Diamond
Products" and the, I think, late 1930s large "D-X Gasoline" scheme. It featured a large
"Diamond" lettering and you can have a look at it in this SL-SF 1285 accident photo
taken on October 10, 1935 at Monett, Missouri, from the Frisco Library.

http://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/friscoline/images/photos/p01608.jpg

To try and answer your question about the date when they started repainting the
fleet into the "D-X Gasoline" scheme, from what I've looked at in the Library Of
Congress photos collection taken during the early years of WWII, it appears that the
large "Diamond" scheme was still around on some cars during the early 1940s. So
my best guess is sometime in the late 1930s as the start of the "D-X Gasoline"
scheme? The "Diamond Products" scheme, with the red diamond back round that
Walthers has done on the 8k AC&F, former proto tank car, probable was gone by the
mid-1930s. And judging from the number of cars repainted in that photo, I think I'm
about right?

Trying to help you, Jerry Stewart

Woodstock, Illinois

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "erict1361" <erict1361@...> wrote:

According to information I have gathered from various websites, Mid-Continent Petroleum (C.O.S.X) had GATC Type 17, ACF Type 11 and Type 21 Tankcars. The Type 11 being the largest numbers. The cars were painted in the "Diamond Products" Red Diamond's with White lettering scheme in the 1920's and later re-painted with only white lettering with a large "D-X" logo. "D-X Gasoline was introduced in 1933 and " Diamond Gas stations began changing there signs to D-X" beginning in 1946.

My question is what year did Cosden begin re-painting the Red and white "Diamond" paint scheme to the all white lettered "D-X" scheme? Did any cars still have the original lettering past 1947 or were all Tank cars re painted by then?

Thanks,

Eric Thur


Re: CB&Q 48 foot composite mill gons

Charlie Vlk
 

Klaus-

I didn’t notice this before but the end panels on the prototype is not symmetrical….it appears that one end of the car is shorter (in relation to the body bolster) than the other. The strap diagonal on the long end is at the same angle as the pressed steel truss members, but on one end the panel is shorter and the strap diagonal is consequently at a sharper angle.

This shows up on the builders photo and in-service cars but not the Kalmbach MR Cyclopedia drawing. I wonder if this was done for clearance on the brake gear and platform?
Weird.

Charlie Vlk



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Shapeways

Bill Lane
 

Much has been said at times on Yahoo groups suggesting Shapeways as a viable
source of low production or 1 off model railroad items for a reasonable
price. Since starting my own part designing with Solidworks about 5 years
ago I have long been skeptical of what you would get for your purchase. I
have mostly thought (without seeing first hand) they are not there yet. The
best I had ever heard was from N Scalers saying their purchased items were
"acceptable".



That changed about an hour ago. A fellow S Scaler sent me an S Scale roof he
purchased. The material is rather fragile. It arrived to him broken - which
is why he graciously sent it to me just to see. In some ways it is a little
better than I expected but mostly it is **much worse** than I expected. The
material is a bit waxy but the layering is just awful! These is no chance
anyone would find it to be acceptable right out of the box. It was built
across the width so the roof was made vertically. It probably would have
been a worse finish if the roof was built as if you would see it on that
car. This just more than confirms my thoughts about Shapeways - you get what
you pay for and they are by far NOT there yet!



The material is too thin to mold it and try and use the casting as a master
which you would have to sand the cast part extensively. That is too much
like work! To get this roof made where I get my stuff printed would cost a
TON of money and possibly not that much better in finish but the material is
stronger so there are more possibilities - but nothing is easy for sure.



Thank You,
Bill Lane

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