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MORE FUTURE

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Ed Ursem bought up a p;pint in his ;posting this morning that Iwas aware of but forgot to address.
That is that Pledge had purchased Future. I went to a store this morning and there were a number
of Pledge items on the shelf. Only one had a small logo indicating "with Future finish". Does this
product qualify? I would really like to know before spraying a boxcar.

Bill Pardie


Re: FUTURE FLOOR WAX

Ed <nprybiged@...>
 

Pledge bought out Future so make sure the Future logo is on the
lable.

Windex is used to clean your air brush be sure and clean it
as soon as your done.

I spray the whole model then decal and weather and then spray
with Future to seal the weathering and then Dul Coat it.

Ed Ursem
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Re: 2012 RPM/Naperville Conference

water.kresse@...
 

GREAT FIND . . . . for somebody!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Birkett" <tnbirke@sbcglobal.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 1:32:43 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: 2012 RPM/Naperville Conference

I thought I found a stash of WWII vintage prints this morning at an estate
auction, but they were all German railways during WWII

Tom Birkett

Bartlesville

 

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
lnbill
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:42 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 2012 RPM/Naperville Conference

 

  

Sure would be nice to see a Speaker's List somewhere!

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "dh30973"
<dhussey@...> wrote:

                        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
 
  19th Annual RPM/Naperville Conference dates are Oct. 18 thur., 19th
Fri., 20 Sat. 2012  at the Marriott Chicago-Naperville Hotel in Naperville,
Il. There will be an excellent group  of speakers, large model display room
with operating modular layouts, and full three days of vendor displays and
selling. Full three day registration available or Sat. one day
registration. Complete registration, speaker sign up, and vendor info on RPM
web-site:

   http://www.railroadprototypemodelers.org

   or call or write to:

   Joe DElia
   P O BOX 2701
   Carlsbad, Ca. 92018
   (760) 721-3393
   It will be a great show hope you can join us.

Sent for Joe by
Dave Husseey








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Re: 2012 RPM/Naperville Conference

Thomas Birkett
 

I thought I found a stash of WWII vintage prints this morning at an estate
auction, but they were all German railways during WWII

Tom Birkett

Bartlesville



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
lnbill
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:42 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 2012 RPM/Naperville Conference





Sure would be nice to see a Speaker's List somewhere!

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "dh30973"
<dhussey@...> wrote:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

19th Annual RPM/Naperville Conference dates are Oct. 18 thur., 19th
Fri., 20 Sat. 2012 at the Marriott Chicago-Naperville Hotel in Naperville,
Il. There will be an excellent group of speakers, large model display room
with operating modular layouts, and full three days of vendor displays and
selling. Full three day registration available or Sat. one day
registration. Complete registration, speaker sign up, and vendor info on RPM
web-site:

http://www.railroadprototypemodelers.org

or call or write to:

Joe DElia
P O BOX 2701
Carlsbad, Ca. 92018
(760) 721-3393
It will be a great show hope you can join us.

Sent for Joe by
Dave Husseey


Re: Photo and negative collections

wlhoss@...
 

Out of curiosity, who's still buying negative collections these days.

Bill Hoss


Potential S scale rolling stock kits

Jim King
 

I created an extensive web page displaying prototype (and 2 HO model)
freight cars that I'm considering producing in S scale. The link is:



http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com/S_What_If.html



Following the SAL B7 boxcar, the SR 52'6" gon would likely be the first
offering simply because the HO CAD files already exist. The PRR X29D could
follow soon after the gon (yes, CAD files exist for that too but would take
some revision to create the X29B version). The rest of the cars require
100% new CAD work so THESE are the ones where the market interest really
needs to be thoroughly understood. The N&W hopper and PS 4750 grain hopper
are especially challenging (read: expensive to produce) because of the
ladders, steps and railings on the ends.



Please look at EACH image carefully .. click on the web image and it'll link
you to a larger image. If you are interested in ANY of these cars or cars
not shown, please email me to voice your vote. I will tally a reservation
list for each requested car and will sort all from most to least popular.
Just remember that 1 image does not indicate other prototypes. All of the
cars shown had multiple paint schemes and/or owners, especially the PS-1
boxcars, TTX bulkhead flat and PS 4750 grain hopper (TONS of private
owners).



These cars span revenue service dates from 1940 (ACF covered hopper) to the
present so I'm sure you'll find something of interest.



Let your voices be heard (by email) J.



Jim King

President, Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>



Trainmaster, Craggy Mountain Line RR

<www.craggymountainline.com>


Re: 2012 RPM/Naperville Conference

Bill Welch
 

Sure would be nice to see a Speaker's List somewhere!

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "dh30973" <dhussey@...> wrote:

                        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
 
  19th Annual RPM/Naperville Conference dates are Oct. 18 thur., 19th Fri., 20 Sat. 2012  at the Marriott Chicago-Naperville Hotel in Naperville, Il. There will be an excellent group  of speakers, large model display room with operating modular layouts, and full three days of vendor displays and selling. Full three day registration available or Sat. one day  registration. Complete registration, speaker sign up, and vendor info on RPM web-site:

   http://www.railroadprototypemodelers.org

   or call or write to:

   Joe DElia
   P O BOX 2701
   Carlsbad, Ca. 92018
   (760) 721-3393
   It will be a great show hope you can join us.

Sent for Joe by
Dave Husseey


Re: Photo of PT on SP flat

Bill Welch
 

Meanwhile I will be looking for a 1/35th scale flat to put my 1/35 scale Italeri 80-ft ELCO PT on. BTW the Higgins was 75-ft IIRC.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "krowth3249" <kenwroth@...> wrote:

I don't know of any model available for an SP 50-14. Years ago (1990?) I scratchbuilt one using brass for the underframe and styrene overlays for the sides and ends. I used Tichy stake pockets which I trimmed to make them more like the prototype. This was before Tony Thompson's freight car books, which give more information. I worked from photos and very rough measurements taken of the car in the RR museum in Campo, CA. You might be able to come close bashing parts from a couple of Tichy 40' flats, but I've never actually studied that approach.

Ken Roth


Re: Photo and negative collections

John Barry
 

Unfortunately the needs of the surviving family to cover medical expenses or the wants of non-preservation minded heirs to make a fast buck often trump the desires of the departed photographer/collector. The only way to be 100% certain that your wishes will be followed is to do it while you are alive with a sound mind. Too many squabbling siblings have "disappeared" valuable items from mom or dad's estate while they were in custodial care with dementia or before the will could be implemented after they passed. It is not common, but sometimes happens. Greed has a nasty habit of bringing out the worst in some folks in whom you least expect it.

John Barry

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Baker <bakert@...> wrote:

Dennis,

Thanks for your reply. I only asked because I would hate to see such a valuable collection as Bill's parted out to a variety of individuals who would probably hord their stash. I had not intention of pestering the Raia family and frankly have no resources to come close to covering the cost of such an enormous collection.

Tom

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [STMFC@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of soolinehistory [destorzek@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:39 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Photo and negative collections

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Baker <bakert@> wrote:

Over the past several years, we have lost a number of photographers and/or collectors of photos and negatives. Does anyone know what has become of the collections of the following:

1. John Hummeston [I'm not sure of the spelling, but I understand he had a signficiant number of photos and negatives.]

2. Robert Malinoski from the Pittsburgh area. I'm not sure about the spelling there either, but he also took many photos and slides.

3. Bill Raia purchased many photo and negative collections from others and was a great source of prototypical information. What has happened to his collection?

Tom
I'm afraid it's just a bit too soon to be troubling the Raia family with this question. I do know Bill has a son, Mike Raia; I don't know how much of a fan he is, but he is certainly aware of the value of his dad's collection.

Bill was reasonably active with the Mid-Continent Railway Museum, and on very good terms with the Soo Line Historical & Technical Society and their archivist, Larry Easton. I don't yet know how this is going to resolve, but I am sure the collections won't be lost.

Dennis Storzek



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2012 RPM/Naperville Conference

dh30973
 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
 
  19th Annual RPM/Naperville Conference dates are Oct. 18 thur., 19th Fri., 20 Sat. 2012  at the Marriott Chicago-Naperville Hotel in Naperville, Il. There will be an excellent group  of speakers, large model display room with operating modular layouts, and full three days of vendor displays and selling. Full three day registration available or Sat. one day  registration. Complete registration, speaker sign up, and vendor info on RPM web-site:

   http://www.railroadprototypemodelers.org

   or call or write to:

   Joe DElia
   P O BOX 2701
   Carlsbad, Ca. 92018
   (760) 721-3393
   It will be a great show hope you can join us.

Sent for Joe by
Dave Husseey


Re: Photo of PT on SP flat

Ken Roth
 

I don't know of any model available for an SP 50-14. Years ago (1990?) I scratchbuilt one using brass for the underframe and styrene overlays for the sides and ends. I used Tichy stake pockets which I trimmed to make them more like the prototype. This was before Tony Thompson's freight car books, which give more information. I worked from photos and very rough measurements taken of the car in the RR museum in Campo, CA. You might be able to come close bashing parts from a couple of Tichy 40' flats, but I've never actually studied that approach.

Ken Roth


Re: Photo of PT on SP flat

John Barry
 

Yes they do and I've had one since 1965 or so, predating my interest in trains circa 68. Modeling this combo would be an excellent reuse of a poorly detailed heritage model (the PT) and a great fit with my current rail marine interests.

The Tichy 40' flat might be a starting point for a dice & splice conversion but I'd like a straight kit build if it is available.

John Barry

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I don't know about the flat but Revell made a 1/96th scale of the Higgins PT. I am not sure if they are still in production but they can be found.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, John Barry <northbaylines@> wrote:

An interesting wartime load.  Photo was taken at the Higgens shipyard in Louisianna circa 1942 of PT201 on flat car SP 79571.  See the photo on my blog at:
http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2012/09/wartime-flat-car-loads-update_14.html#!/2012/09/wartime-flat-car-loads-update_14.html
 
Does anyoe make a model of this 53 foot flat?

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
Cotati, CA



Re: Photo of PT on SP flat

Bill Welch
 

I don't know about the flat but Revell made a 1/96th scale of the Higgins PT. I am not sure if they are still in production but they can be found.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, John Barry <northbaylines@...> wrote:

An interesting wartime load.  Photo was taken at the Higgens shipyard in Louisianna circa 1942 of PT201 on flat car SP 79571.  See the photo on my blog at:
http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2012/09/wartime-flat-car-loads-update_14.html#!/2012/09/wartime-flat-car-loads-update_14.html
 
Does anyoe make a model of this 53 foot flat?

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
Cotati, CA

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BC RPM Clinic update No.1

hockenheim68
 

Hello all,

Just a reminder that BC RPM is eight weeks away. Our fifth annual meet will again be held in conjunction with
Trains 2012. The meet will be held in Burnaby, BC on Saturday, November 10th,
2012 from 10AM to 4PM. Participants are invited to display their models and
dioramas, share information and learn valuable techniques in an interactive and
non-competitive environment. All SCALES and ALL ROADS are welcome as are
in-progress models. BRING YOUR MODELS!!!
Building on last year's success, the meet will feature an expanded show & tell
segment providing modeller's the opportunity to discuss their techniques and
experiences in a group setting during the lunch hour.

Images from last year's meet are here at http://tinyurl.com/84szzyk


NEW!!! CLINIC UPDATE:

Design Challenges on the N scale Columbia and Western squeezing 30 scale miles and 2000 vertical feet into a two car garage. - By Mark Dance

Experiences from designing, building and operating the Columbia and Western railway. A double mushroom layout designed to replicate the scenery and operations of railwaying in the Kootenays. Lessons learned and maybe some advice on things not to do!

The Boundary Subdivision; From Theory to Reality! By Scott Calvert

At last year's clinic, we learned about the history of the CPR Boundary Subdivision, discussed the attributes that I considered in choosing this prototype, and explored the concepts for the design of my new HO layout. Well, now that we are actually constructing the new layout, this year we are going to examine how all that theory is translating into reality! While the physical construction of the layout only commenced in April of this year, progress is going well and we have definitely learned a few things already. Come join us while we share with you the latest on the Boundary Sub!

CNR BC District facilities, locomotives and rolling stock - By Al Lill

Al's presentation will primarily cover the steam to diesel transition era from Vancouver and Prince Rupert to Jasper plus the Okanagan Branch and will feature the work of many different photographers. Participation by the audience will be welcomed. Anyone who has slides of CNR road switchers in action in BC they would like to have scanned for possible inclusion in Canadian National Railways Diesel Locomotives Vol. 2 is welcome to bring them.


Details of this year's clinic lineup are still being finalized but expect the
usual dozen+ historical presentations and how-to demonstrations. Watch for more announcements in the coming weeks.


In addition to the RPM meet and clinics, Trains 2012 features Operating
sessions, Public show, Escorted layout tour, Banquet and Prototype tour. Trains
2012 runs November 9th through 12th.

BC RPM / Trains 2012 Registration is $25 CDN
Price does not include Banquet, layout or prototype tours. Operating sessions
are free but first come first serve - a very popular part of our show so get in while you can.

Trains 2012 is located at:
Cameron Centre (across from Lougheed Town Centre)
9523 Cameron Street
Burnaby, BC, Canada
Cameron Centre is approx. 3 blocks north of the Lougheed Skytrain station and
about 25 mins from downtown Vancouver via Skytrain.

For more information regarding Trains 2012 see www.bctrains.org or send an
e-mail to Ahutchinson(dot)mudbay(at)gmail.com

Cheers,

Andrew Hutchinson
BC RPM/ Trains 2012


Re: [Espee] Photo of PT on SP flat

John Barry
 

Thanks Ken,
 
For the F-50-14 16 stake pocket, straight side sill flush deck flat, who makes a model or how would you bash it?

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
Cotati, CA

--- On Fri, 9/14/12, Ken Harrison <second98@sonic.net> wrote:


From: Ken Harrison <second98@sonic.net>
Subject: Re: [Espee] Photo of PT on SP flat
To: Espee@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 14, 2012, 10:16 PM



 



On 9/14/2012 9:53 PM, John Barry wrote:
An interesting wartime load. Photo was taken at the Higgens shipyard in Louisianna circa 1942 of PT201 on flat car SP 79571. See the photo on my blog at:
http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2012/09/wartime-flat-car-loads-update_14.html#!/2012/09/wartime-flat-car-loads-update_14.html

Does anyoe make a model of this 53 foot flat?
It's an F-50-14. Ask about that model.

KWH







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Photo of PT on SP flat

John Barry
 

An interesting wartime load.  Photo was taken at the Higgens shipyard in Louisianna circa 1942 of PT201 on flat car SP 79571.  See the photo on my blog at:
http://northbaylines.blogspot.com/2012/09/wartime-flat-car-loads-update_14.html#!/2012/09/wartime-flat-car-loads-update_14.html
 
Does anyoe make a model of this 53 foot flat?

John Barry

ATSF North Bay Lines
Golden Gates & Fast Freights
Cotati, CA

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Re: FUTURE FLOOR WAX

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

Re: "Future"... from the "source";
<http://www.whatsinsidescjohnson.com/en-us/products-by-brand/pledge/pledge-tile--vinyl-floor-finish-with-future-shine-1.aspx>http://www.whatsinsidescjohnson.com/en-us/products-by-brand/pledge/pledge-tile--vinyl-floor-finish-with-future-shine-1.aspx


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Pledge® Tile & Vinyl Floor Finish with Future® Shine
Ingredients:

Water
Film Formers
Proprietary Film Former
Tributoxyethyl Phosphate
Solubilizer
Ethoxydiglycol
Fragrance
pH Adjuster
Ammonium Hydroxide
Cleaning Agent
Oleic Acid
Preservative
Dimethyl Oxazolidine
Wetting Agent
Proprietary Wetting Agent
Stabilizers
Benzotriazolyl Dodecyl p-Cresol
Hydrogen Peroxide
Chelator
Pentasodium Pentetate

------------

IMHO... this is possibly a bit more complex than typical hobby finishes.
... ammonia and bleach are the only ones I immediately recognize.

Triple Bonus Points awarded for reading the
ingredients list out-loud correctly... the first time!


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: 3D printing

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I'm not sure how many may have noticed but 3-D printing technology
might be used by NASA to make stuff in space. With this kind of money
being dumped into the technology it might help us with our lowly freight
cars.

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: FUTURE FLOOR WAX

Greg Martin
 

Tim and all,

I have seen this just like Jim Evans as he is talking about some 1/48th aircraft models my brother built. He used it when it was all the rage in the military crowd. The underside of one aircraft he had painted WHITE is now YELLOW as well as the white in the insignias on top. One aircraft (German) that was painted blue is now a different shade of green.

Why would anyone test the waters when this warning has been going around for years. I have no explaination for it and as I see it none is needed. Why not just buy a product that is really made to do what you expect it to do?

Yes FLOQUIL Clear Gloss has an amber tint in the bottle but I have never found it to translate onto a model enough to make a sugnificant difference. The FUTURE is a different story if your lucky YMMV

Take your chances boys, step and roll the dice.

Greg Martin

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From: timboconnor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 14, 2012 2:12 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] FUTURE FLOOR WAX





Jim

Could be some interaction between the acrylic and the underlying paint -- Future has no
pigment in it so I don't see how it could turn yellow. Floquil Glaze has a yellowish cast and
was often mixed with other Floquil colors (on older models) to make them dry faster and
go on smoother. I've oversprayed a couple of models with Floquil 'clear coats' and had them
turn slightly yellowish, possibly reacting to the underlying non-Floquil paint.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: NHJJ4@aol.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 3:45:31 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] FUTURE FLOOR WAX

I have had and know a few people who used to use the ( Floor Way ) on
there models. This is over 30 years ago. after a few years of being out in the
air the models turned ( YELLOW ) Those that didn't use it did not change..
Don't know if they have changed it or not but I have an ALCO model's New
Haven EP-5 that has gone YELLOW with age and the only way to fix it is
strip it.
And it has spent it's life in the box and not on a layout. Still Yellow.
I wouldn't use it again. But like I said It was ALL the rage in the IPMS
crowd way back almost 40 years ago.

Jim Evans

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Re: FUTURE FLOOR WAX

Jack Burgess
 

I've been using it for quite a long time but to provide a gloss surface for decals, not to seal them. It works a lot better that other traditional gloss coats in my experience.

I won't repeat what others have said but...

1, You don't need to apply it to an entire surface but only where the decals will be applied (such as the upper right corner of most box cars.) After applying the decals, I airbrush on several light coats of Dullcoat.

2. It is not that east to find. I get it at Home Depot. (Not too many people "wax" their floors these days.)

3. I agree that there is nothing in it which might turn yellow after it has dried. But I did read in FS Modeler that if it starts turning yellow in the bottle, toss it and buy a new bottle.

Jack Burgess

On Sep 14, 2012, at 12:14 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@HAWAII.RR.COM> wrote:


In a recent article in "O" Scale Trains Gene Diemling referred to using Future to "seal" decals. I had previously heard
references to using this product to prepare surfaces for decaling. For this process is the product sprayed on with
an airbrush? Is it thinned at all and if so with what?
As per usual thanks in advance for any help.

Bill Pardie

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