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Re: SP A-50-14

 

Brian, Kadee, Moloco, Precision & Details Associates make the Equipco
 
Rich Christie

--- On Sun, 10/21/12, Brian Carlson <prrk41361@...> wrote:


From: Brian Carlson <prrk41361@...>
Subject: [STMFC] SP A-50-14
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, October 21, 2012, 3:17 PM



 



I have a P2k car for this class. I know I have to change the roofwalk to
apex, and the trucks to double truss with spring planks. The brake wheels
were Equipco and here is a good photo on page 113 of SP Freight Cars Volume
3. What I need help with is finding a model of the brakewheel. Thanks.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

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handout for Naperville tank car talk

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

A complete handout (with three pages added to what was given out at the presentations) for my talk on "Transition-era Tank Car Modeling" at Naperville last week is now available on my blog. Here is the link if you might be interested:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/10/naperville-tank-car-handout.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


GN truss rod box car color and images are needed

Bob McCarthy
 

Good evening,

      Will be watching this back and forth on these cars.  Gary has been assisting us with our research on these cars which we will be producing in Scale S.

      This list is a great help with serious research.

      We will be sharing anything we find that will help with the information on this group of cars/


Thanks,

Bob McCarthy

THE SUPPLY CAR




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From: gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN truss rod box car color


 
The first observation is the GN did not waste money repainting these cars, so that the older paint schemes lasted a long time. The Westerfield painting guide for that series of all wood cars with the side braces extending to the corner, that they would be all boxcar red starting with re-paints in 1941 that included the side-facing goat.
My three that are being decaled at the moment are in their 1937 paint scheme with the red underbody, boxcar brown sides with black ends and roofs. I doubt that they were re-painted before scrapping.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...

From: Mike Brock
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:55 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] GN truss rod box car color

This message is for anyone with info but primarily is meant for Staffan Ehnbom.

I am getting conflicting information regarding the paint scheme for a GN truss rod box car, number 26178, series 26000-27249. This car is assembled from the F&C kit.

The kit's decal contains the See America First, Glacier National Park side facing goat.

The kit instructions call for a black underframe with the rest box car red. The August 1978 Prototype Modeler article by Durrenberger indicates that GN series 28000 should be entirely box car red. The GN Color Guide to Frt and Passenger Equipment by Hickox indicates [ see car X5216 caption ] that at least car 5216 was originally painted with black ends, roof, and underbody, boxcar red sides. However, the photo of 24872 on the opposite pg shows box car red ends in 1946. This car has a 1944 yr reweigh date painted over an earlier paintng. It does have the Glacier goat.

The O'Boyle article in the Oct '91 article in Mainline Modeler does not indicate color but the photo of Hopper Bottom car 8976 appears to have an end of the same color as the side. The photo caption indicates 1950.

The model car will be painted in an earlier scheme matching the goat decal. It will, however, be reweighed in 1952 with that date painted over the original paint.

Thanks for any help.

Mike Brock

I am preparing to paint _,_._,___

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Re: GN truss rod box car color

gary laakso
 

The first observation is the GN did not waste money repainting these cars, so that the older paint schemes lasted a long time. The Westerfield painting guide for that series of all wood cars with the side braces extending to the corner, that they would be all boxcar red starting with re-paints in 1941 that included the side-facing goat.
My three that are being decaled at the moment are in their 1937 paint scheme with the red underbody, boxcar brown sides with black ends and roofs. I doubt that they were re-painted before scrapping.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...

From: Mike Brock
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:55 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] GN truss rod box car color


This message is for anyone with info but primarily is meant for Staffan Ehnbom.

I am getting conflicting information regarding the paint scheme for a GN truss rod box car, number 26178, series 26000-27249. This car is assembled from the F&C kit.

The kit's decal contains the See America First, Glacier National Park side facing goat.

The kit instructions call for a black underframe with the rest box car red. The August 1978 Prototype Modeler article by Durrenberger indicates that GN series 28000 should be entirely box car red. The GN Color Guide to Frt and Passenger Equipment by Hickox indicates [ see car X5216 caption ] that at least car 5216 was originally painted with black ends, roof, and underbody, boxcar red sides. However, the photo of 24872 on the opposite pg shows box car red ends in 1946. This car has a 1944 yr reweigh date painted over an earlier paintng. It does have the Glacier goat.

The O'Boyle article in the Oct '91 article in Mainline Modeler does not indicate color but the photo of Hopper Bottom car 8976 appears to have an end of the same color as the side. The photo caption indicates 1950.

The model car will be painted in an earlier scheme matching the goat decal. It will, however, be reweighed in 1952 with that date painted over the original paint.

Thanks for any help.

Mike Brock

I am preparing to paint _,_._,___

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GN truss rod box car color

Mikebrock
 

This message is for anyone with info but primarily is meant for Staffan Ehnbom.

I am getting conflicting information regarding the paint scheme for a GN truss rod box car, number 26178, series 26000-27249. This car is assembled from the F&C kit.

The kit's decal contains the See America First, Glacier National Park side facing goat.

The kit instructions call for a black underframe with the rest box car red. The August 1978 Prototype Modeler article by Durrenberger indicates that GN series 28000 should be entirely box car red. The GN Color Guide to Frt and Passenger Equipment by Hickox indicates [ see car X5216 caption ] that at least car 5216 was originally painted with black ends, roof, and underbody, boxcar red sides. However, the photo of 24872 on the opposite pg shows box car red ends in 1946. This car has a 1944 yr reweigh date painted over an earlier paintng. It does have the Glacier goat.

The O'Boyle article in the Oct '91 article in Mainline Modeler does not indicate color but the photo of Hopper Bottom car 8976 appears to have an end of the same color as the side. The photo caption indicates 1950.

The model car will be painted in an earlier scheme matching the goat decal. It will, however, be reweighed in 1952 with that date painted over the original paint.

Thanks for any help.

Mike Brock

I am preparing to paint _,_._,___


SP A-50-14

Brian Carlson
 

I have a P2k car for this class. I know I have to change the roofwalk to
apex, and the trucks to double truss with spring planks. The brake wheels
were Equipco and here is a good photo on page 113 of SP Freight Cars Volume
3. What I need help with is finding a model of the brakewheel. Thanks.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY


Naperville

bob_karig <karig@...>
 

...and a good time was had by all. Great Job. Thanks Joe.

Bob Karig


Re: West Virginia short Lines Rr then B&O

water.kresse@...
 

Thanks David!  Another little piece of good info.  Al

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From: "David" <jaydeet2001@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 9:59:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: West Virginia short Lines Rr then B&O

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:
Can someone tell me more about the West Va Short Line Railroad Co formed by Rogers of the Virginian Rwy fame?  Formed in 1900 and then abosrbed into the B&O in 1901 or later?
Not much. Edson has it existing 1902-03 before being absorbed into B&O. Probably standard gauge, and more likely than not set up with the intent of having B&O buy it.

David Thompson





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Re: West Virginia short Lines Rr then B&O

Eric Hansmann
 

Greetings Al!

I was under the impression that the West Virginia Short Line was a part of the rail network coordinated by Johnson Newlon (JN) Camden. His lines also included the Ohio River Railroad, Monongahela River Railroad, and the West Virginia & Pittsburgh, all of which became B&O properties before 1910. Camden started in the oil industry and aligned with Standard Oil. He possibly met Rogers in those early years and partnered on other opportunities.

I lived in WV for 24 years before moving away in 2009. The history of the Camden lines and those of Henry Gassaway Davis (WVC&P, C&C) and Stephen Benton Elkins (WVC&P, M&K) was a growing interest during my stay in WV.

Much of the Camden rail system was centered on Clarksburg, WV. The WV&P was built south of Clarksburg through Sutton and onwards to Camden-on-Gauley and Richwood. Originally built as a narrow gauge, this line tapped huge timber and coal resources. Running north from Clarksburg was the Monongahela River Railroad, which followed the West Fork of the Monongahela River through rich coal fields to Fairmont, WV. The Ohio River Railroad was a separate line built along the Ohio River from Wheeling to Huntington. WV.

I believe the WV Short Line was built to connect the Clarksburg are with the Ohio River Railroad. It connected in Clarksburg and paralleled the Monongahela River line to Lumberport, then turned west to follow creek valleys. It connected with the Ohio River Railroad at New Martinsville, WV.

Each of the Camden lines owned freight cars that occasionally show up in very early 20th century photographs of West Virginia railroads. Terry Arbogast has been working on a multi-volume B&O rail history in West Virginia and has found a number of images featuring freight cars of the Camden lines.

I hope that helps!

Eric


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:



Can someone tell me more about the West Va Short Line Railroad Co formed by Rogers of the Virginian Rwy fame?  Formed in 1900 and then abosrbed into the B&O in 1901 or later?



Was it a narrow gauge or standard gauged railroad?  What kind of locomotives did it have to move it coal consists of side-dump gondola cars?



Thanks,



Al Kresse

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Re: PRR cement gondolas in action

Brad Andonian
 

Bruce
My sincere thanks for the help!

Brad andonian


Re: PRR cement gondolas in action

Bruce Smith
 

Brad,

The PRR had a number of difffernt types of containers. The G22B was often used with DB (drop bottom) or HB (hopper bottom) containers for bulk LCL minerals. Many were used in the steel industry for small custom jobs. Cargo included coke, limestone, but also just about anything else that could be housed in the including cement.

For diagrams, see http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?sel=cont&sz=sm&fr=

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, A:
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 5:34 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] PRR cement gondolas in action

Gent's,
I am seeking information on prototypical use of PRR G22b gon's with containers. Koh's made these models (very swell to see in person!) and I would like to learn more about their use, how to model them appropriately with industry etc. I cannot locate a copy of the Keystone 1985 Vol 18 No. 1 that details info on them.

any help is of course appreciated!

Brad Andonian



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Re: West Virginia short Lines Rr then B&O

David
 

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:
Can someone tell me more about the West Va Short Line Railroad Co formed by Rogers of the Virginian Rwy fame?  Formed in 1900 and then abosrbed into the B&O in 1901 or later?
Not much. Edson has it existing 1902-03 before being absorbed into B&O. Probably standard gauge, and more likely than not set up with the intent of having B&O buy it.

David Thompson


PRR cement gondolas in action

Brad Andonian
 

Gent's,
I am seeking information on prototypical use of PRR G22b gon's with containers. Koh's made these models (very swell to see in person!) and I would like to learn more about their use, how to model them appropriately with industry etc. I cannot locate a copy of the Keystone 1985 Vol 18 No. 1 that details info on them.

any help is of course appreciated!

Brad Andonian


Re: West Virginia short Lines Rr then B&O

water.kresse@...
 

Can someone tell me more about the West Va Short Line Railroad Co formed by Rogers of the Virginian Rwy fame?  Formed in 1900 and then abosrbed into the B&O in 1901 or later?



Was it a narrow gauge or standard gauged railroad?  What kind of locomotives did it have to move it coal consists of side-dump gondola cars?



Thanks,



Al Kresse

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Chateau Martin Web Page Update

Jim Lancaster
 

I have added six new photos of Chateau Martin wine cars (ex-milk cars) to my CM web page. The photos were taken between 1956 and 1973.
http://coastdaylight.com/chatmart/cmwx_roster_1.html

Jim Lancaster


Re: Straight Cuts using a NWSL Chopper

Ed <nprybiged@...>
 

Carl

What I do is scribe a line, were the cut will be, using a Dental
probe, that I sharpen to a fine point, and scribe a line about a third
of the depth and then us the Chopper to finish. DO NOT start the
cutting line using a cutting knife or razor blade as you will have
wave on each side of the cut as these tools only displace the plastic
as the scriber removes the plastic so when finish you end up with a
good square finish. Go for it.

Ed Ursem
Bloomington, MN

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...and if all the previous suggestions do not work, consider cutting the items to a very slightly longer length and using that other handy device--the Sander. A little more work, but virtually guaranteed to produce the desired finished product. (BTW--the Calibre Cutter was a great advance in terms of cutting an angle. There were still problems, however, with compressing some materials on the "top" side of the cut). Best Wishes--Carl

Carl G. Camann
Atlanta, Georgia

--- In STMFC@..., "Gerry Siegel" <cgsiegel@> wrote:

One other suggstion, when cutting thicker stock, cut half through and the rotate the piece 180 degrees and finish the cut.
A tool no longer be manufactured called a Calibre Cutter tried to solve the problem by having the blade move through the stock as it was cutting I have one and it does a better job then the Chopper. It was discontinued because it was so costly the market couldn't support it.
Gerry Siegel

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Re: Straight Cuts using a NWSL Chopper

Carl
 

...and if all the previous suggestions do not work, consider cutting the items to a very slightly longer length and using that other handy device--the Sander. A little more work, but virtually guaranteed to produce the desired finished product. (BTW--the Calibre Cutter was a great advance in terms of cutting an angle. There were still problems, however, with compressing some materials on the "top" side of the cut). Best Wishes--Carl

Carl G. Camann
Atlanta, Georgia

--- In STMFC@..., "Gerry Siegel" <cgsiegel@...> wrote:

One other suggstion, when cutting thicker stock, cut half through and the rotate the piece 180 degrees and finish the cut.
A tool no longer be manufactured called a Calibre Cutter tried to solve the problem by having the blade move through the stock as it was cutting I have one and it does a better job then the Chopper. It was discontinued because it was so costly the market couldn't support it.
Gerry Siegel



BC RPM Clinic update No.2

hockenheim68
 

Hello all,

Just a reminder that BC RPM is only 3 weeks away. Our fifth annual meet will again be held in conjunction with
Trains 2012. The meet will be held in Burnaby, BC on Saturday, November 10th,
2012 from 10AM to 4PM. Participants are invited to display their models and
dioramas, share information and learn valuable techniques in an interactive and
non-competitive environment. All SCALES and ALL ROADS are welcome as are
in-progress models. BRING YOUR MODELS!!!
Building on last year's success, the meet will feature an expanded show & tell
segment providing modeller's the opportunity to discuss their techniques and
experiences in a group setting during the lunch hour.

Images from last year's meet are here at http://tinyurl.com/84szzyk


NEW!!! CLINIC UPDATE: For complete clinic information go to www.bctrains.org

Design Challenges on the N scale Columbia and Western squeezing 30 scale miles and 2000 vertical feet into a two car garage. - Mark Dance

The HO scale CPR Boundary Subdivision; From Theory to Reality! - Scott Calvert

CNR BC District facilities, locomotives and rolling stock - Al Lill

Basic 3D drawing in Google Sketchup for 3D Printing - Rob Kirkham

Scratch Building 101 - Russ Watson

What's in My Toolbox - Jack Hamilton, MMR

PGE Doodlebugs - Greg Kennelly

A Beginner's Guide To Digital Model Train Photography - Timothy J. Horton

The Esquimalt & Nanaimo Railway in the CPR steam era and early diesel days - Robert Turner

Introduction to Model Railroading - Pete Steinmetz

Digital Photography: Making Prints at Home - John Zuk

BCER in Colour - Marc Simpson

Programming Accurate Canadian Whistle and Bell Sounds - Mike Barone

Battery Powered Radio Controlled Locomotives in Small Scales - Pete Steinmetz

NMRA AP Program Q&A - Jack Hamilton, MMR

NMRA Standards - Didrik Voss, MMR

Watch for more announcements in the coming weeks.


In addition to the RPM meet and clinics, Trains 2012 features Operating
sessions, Public show, Escorted layout tour, Banquet and Prototype tour. Trains
2012 runs November 9th through 12th.

BC RPM / Trains 2012 Registration is $25 CDN
Price does not include Banquet, layout or prototype tours. Operating sessions
are free but first come first serve - a very popular part of our show so get in while you can.

Trains 2012 is located at:
Cameron Centre (across from Lougheed Town Centre)
9523 Cameron Street
Burnaby, BC, Canada
Cameron Centre is approx. 3 blocks north of the Lougheed Skytrain station and
about 25 mins from downtown Vancouver via Skytrain.

For more information regarding Trains 2012 see www.bctrains.org or send an
e-mail to Ahutchinson(dot)mudbay(at)gmail.com

Cheers,

Andrew Hutchinson
BC RPM/ Trains 2012


Re: HO Scale Truck Document

rhammill
 

Hi, Richard -

This is an excellent resource with all of the pictures.

I would like to make one correction.

The Life-Like (Canada) ARA Cast Steel with Simplex Bolster is not out of production. A number of years ago, when Walthers purchased Life-Like, we had to change our name.

So the trucks are still available from us at True Line Trains (along with our version of coil or leaf spring AAR cast trucks with spring planks). Any dealer can order them via Walthers.

It is also being retooled for the forthcoming release of the Dominion Fowler patent box and stock cars (we're shooting for 1Q 2013 for the cars). The new tooling for the truck will have a corrected bolster height.

Thanks for the document!

Randy
--
Randy Hammill
True Line Trains
http://truelinetrains.com

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

Several days ago, in responding to a STMFC member, I mentioned that I
had prepared a "handout" on HO scale freight car trucks for my clinic
at RPM Naperville which, as it is 13 pages, I would post on the
internet instead of making paper printouts. That document is now
available as a Google file. The web address is:


Re: HO Scale Truck Document

Jim Barnes
 

I would really like to see this document as well however the web address did not make it.  Please send the web address again.  Thanks so much.
Jim Barnes



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From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 1:06 PM
Subject: [STMFC] HO Scale Truck Document


 
Several days ago, in responding to a STMFC member, I mentioned that I
had prepared a "handout" on HO scale freight car trucks for my clinic
at RPM Naperville which, as it is 13 pages, I would post on the
internet instead of making paper printouts. That document is now
available as a Google file. The web address is:




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