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Re: Schedule for Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach

Bruce Smith
 

Stuart,

The fun usually gets started with Thursday afternoon ops sessions, as well as a few clinics late in the day. Friday and Saturday are solid clinics until about 9 or 10pm when the discussion usually moves to the bar, or a spare clinic room for more slides. Saturday the prize raffle often runs 11:00-12:00 pm so plan on a late night! The model/vendor room is open whenever there are clinics running and closes for good Saturday night. Bring some models if you can! Sunday there are layout open houses, usually starting late in the morning and running into the afternoon.

Orlando is about an hour away and is probably the most likely airport for you to get a good fare into. Melbourne is worth considering if the flights work for you as it is closer and smaller.

The hotel is comfy and on the beach. Only crazy Yanquis go swimming in the Atlantic in January. The hotel food is passable. Breakfast is classic hotel buffet, but we usually get a price break and Mike often has them do a special lunch menu for us that has been quite good the past few years and has sped up the service (which can be a bit slow). There is a great cuban restaurant a couple miles south on A1A and many of us make a point of eating there at least once while visiting. There are lots of seafood and other restaurants within easy driving distances.


Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D.,

Director, Auburn University Research Initiative in Cancer

Professor of Pathobiology

Scott-Ritchey Research Center

Auburn University, AL 36849-5525

334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax)

http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/faculty/pathobiology-faculty/smith_b

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On Oct 30, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Stuart wrote:

I'm thinking of attending for the first time ever and would welcome a general idea of the schedule for the purpose of making travel arrangements (e.g., do I have to travel from San Diego on Wednesday and return on Sunday?), probably through Orlando.

TIA for any assistance you can provide.

Best wishes,

Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@...<mailto:forsyth@...>


Re: PFE Reefer paint suggestions

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ken O'Brien wrote:
I'm working on a Tichy PFE Reefer and I was wondering if there was an off the shelf paint for the sides and ends. Tichy's instructions call for blends of Daylight Orange & RG Yellow for the sides; BCR &Tuscan red for the ends, icing platforms, roofwalk(sic) and fascia.
Freshly painted, the cars were Daylight Orange on the sides, but this faded in the direction of yellow, so Tichy's suggestion is for a weathered color. The ends and roof color sound like the pre-1942 scheme with black roof sheets, not for a postwar paint scheme. The "BCR and Tuscan" suggestion is hard to evaluate, as different paint makers have quite different ideas about what is Tuscan. There is a paint chip for each of the original BCR and Orange colors in the PFE book.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: "Super-Giant" Reefers

Steve Vallee
 

Tony...

   Many thanks for the info.

  Steve Vallee

--- On Tue, 10/30/12, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] "Super-Giant" Reefers
To: STMFC@...
Date: Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 1:23 PM
















 









Steve Vallee wrote:

Frozen Foods are becoming so popular in American diet that the Pacific Fruit Express is adding 200 "super-giant" reefers to its railroad-car fleet which are especially designed for the transportation of frozen foods. The PFE is owned jointly by the Union Pacific and Southern Pacific railroads. In PFE territory the carloadings of frozen foods have nearly doubled in five years.
Does anyone know the car numbers of these "super-giant" reefers?


PFE used this term for all its heavily insulated 52-foot cars, starting with R-70-2 in 1934. The 200-car group referred to are the R-70-9 mechanical cars, PFE 300138 to 300337. The history and photos, of course, are all in the PFE book.



Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...

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Re: "Super-Giant" Reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Vallee wrote:
Frozen Foods are becoming so popular in American diet that the Pacific Fruit Express is adding 200 "super-giant" reefers to its railroad-car fleet which are especially designed for the transportation of frozen foods. The PFE is owned jointly by the Union Pacific and Southern Pacific railroads. In PFE territory the carloadings of frozen foods have nearly doubled in five years.

Does anyone know the car numbers of these "super-giant" reefers?
PFE used this term for all its heavily insulated 52-foot cars, starting with R-70-2 in 1934. The 200-car group referred to are the R-70-9 mechanical cars, PFE 300138 to 300337. The history and photos, of course, are all in the PFE book.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


"Super-Giant" Reefers

Steve Vallee
 

Dear Group...

   I found this item on page 114 in the April, 1954 issue of RAILROAD MAGAZINE:


   Frozen Foods are becoming so popular in American diet that the Pacific Fruit Express is adding 200 "super-giant" reefers to its railroad-car fleet which are especially designed for the transportation of frozen foods. The PFE is owned jointly by the Union Pacific and Southern Pacific railroads. In PFE territory the carloadings of frozen foods have nearly doubled in five years.


   Does anyone know the car numbers of these "super-giant" reefers?

   Steve Vallee



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PFE Reefer paint suggestions

Ken O'Brien
 

I'm working on a Tichy PFE Reefer and I was wondering if there was an off the shelf paint for the sides and ends. Tichy's instructions call for blends of Daylight Orange & RG Yellow for the sides; BCR &Tuscan red for the ends, icing platforms, roofwalk(sic) and fascia.

The car will be run on a post WW2 layout, FWIW.

Ken O'Brien


Schedule for Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach

Stuart <trainmail@...>
 

I'm thinking of attending for the first time ever and would welcome a general idea of the schedule for the purpose of making travel arrangements (e.g., do I have to travel from San Diego on Wednesday and return on Sunday?), probably through Orlando.

TIA for any assistance you can provide.

Best wishes,

Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@...


Re: GN Freight Car Painting, c. 1950

aaejj2j
 

I assume you mean 1950 not 1950s, then the trucks on those two cars are sort of a brown not black.
The GNRHS website I believe still posts Reference Sheet 28 which lists colors; unfortunately, there are about three of them and they are not dated. In addition, I believe Model Railroader back in the mid to late 1940s or even early 1950s published a series of various RR color listings (not the diagrams) and the GN one was included from the 1945 Mech Engineering department if I remember correctly - this would also be correct for the year 1950.
Tyrone Johnsen
Rockford, IL

--- In STMFC@..., John Golden <golden1014@...> wrote:

GN Experts,

I'm finishing two HO scale GN models in November (Chad's flat car and the Sunshine SS box car) and would like to know please what color to paint the trucks. Were they black or Mineral?

Thanks,
John Golden
OFallon, IL



GN Freight Car Painting, c. 1950

golden1014
 

GN Experts,

I'm finishing two HO scale GN models in November (Chad's flat car and the Sunshine SS box car) and would like to know please what color to paint the trucks. Were they black or Mineral?

Thanks,
John Golden
OFallon, IL


Re: Dust Removal from Roofs

s shaffer
 

From: "Steve Haas" <Goatfisher2@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Dust Removal from Roofs


Warm water, dish detergent, a tooth brush and a very gentle touch.
Get them wet, use the soap and toothbrush to dislodge the crud and rinse.
I use distilled water for the final rinse. Cuts down on water spots.

Steve Shaffer


Naperville 2012

Bill Welch
 

I was very happy with the return to the familiar Naperville venue and
although I spent the better part of the first two days holed up in my
room scanning photos from a personal collection a friend brought to
the event, I do have some thoughts and observations. I was especially
happy to see presentations on freight cars or related to freight
cars. Pierre's and Aaron's presentations on the Wabash and NP were
welcomed since my knowledge of the roads is somewhat limited. I wish
someone would step up to do something on any of the many northeastern
roads. I continue to enjoy listening to Clark and his disciplined
approach to his freight car fleet and his challenges and rewards.

It was great to see Pierre's rollout of Yarmouth Models and think he
and Aaron make a great, easy going team. Also congrats to Chad and
his second year of offerings. Time did not permit me to spend much
time in the model room but Chad's destroyer 5-inch gun turret flat
car load really caught my eye. I have started cleaning up the L&N
gondola kit and will make a few comments soon as I start this model.

I was pleased to hear the WrightTrak will be doing the plate end
version of the SAL ventilated car soon and that they are considering
doing the plywood sheathed rebuilds as well.

Sunshine's absence was a bummer but very understandable. Also missed
were Jay Williams and Rich Burg. I hope the new Westerfield will
begin to book this event. I did not make it over to Bob's Photo at
the Best Western until Saturday where he had a really nice set up
that was very customer friendly.

I wish Clare Gilbert of Sylvan had been there more than Saturday, as
his offering deserve a lot of time and attention. He has several
trailers in the works--Fruehauf, Great Dane and Dorsey--that will be
of interest, especially if you are doing early TOFC. I did most of my
damage there.

I have made many friends through this yearly event and find I have to
make plans to share at least one meal with them. Speaking of meals
Mark, Big Mark and Stan introduced me to Butterworths very near the
hotel that was really excellent for breakfast and probably other
meals too. On Saturday night, several us were so tired, spent out,
and hungry that we headed for the Subway just a short walk away but
went to Jason's Deli instead, which was a great decision. Big
selection and free ice cream. I had a great hamburger at the hotel
with homemade potato chips--really good.

Last but not least, I was really good to see Lloyd Kaiser, who has
been absent for the last couple of years.

See you next year!

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@...


Re: Dust Removal from Roofs

Jeff Shultz <jeff@...>
 

Also, have you tried one of those static dusters?
http://www.simplygoodstuff.com/static_dusters.htm?gclid=CJC1ld-3p7MCFUdxQgodOFcAqwas
an example...

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Gene <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

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Does anyone have a great technique for removing dust from freight car
roofs, hopper car innards, etc.?
Regards,
Bob Chapman
Have you tried air pressure? I use up to 100 psi to clean lots of things.
Gradually increase the pressure from typical air brush pressure to that
which will achieve the desired result without removing the running boards.

Gene Green




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Re: Dust Removal from Roofs

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Does anyone have a great technique for removing dust from freight car roofs, hopper car innards, etc.?
Regards,
Bob Chapman

Have you tried air pressure? I use up to 100 psi to clean lots of things. Gradually increase the pressure from typical air brush pressure to that which will achieve the desired result without removing the running boards.

Gene Green


Re: Dust Removal from Roofs

Scott H. Haycock
 

Bob
this set of attachments fits any vacuum cleaner and includes a tiny brush attachment that I use; http://www.micromark.com/SearchResult.aspx?deptIdFilter=0&searchPhrase=vacuum+attachments . I also use a soft 1/2'' brush for any stubborn dust.


Scott Haycock

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Does anyone have a great technique for removing dust from freight car roofs, hopper car innards, etc.?


Regards,

Bob Chapman

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Re: Dust Removal from Roofs

Steve SANDIFER
 

Soft paint brush and shop vac.



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Subject: [STMFC] Dust Removal from Roofs







Does anyone have a great technique for removing dust from freight car roofs, hopper car innards, etc.?

Y es, light du st can be re moved with a soft brush. But what I'm talking about is what I'll call "permadust" -- the stuff that sticks even after brushing. A smooth roof presents no problem -- usually a damp cloth will do the trick. But most freight car roofs are not smooth, and the damp cloth or even a Q-Tip will still leave dust accumulations around the runningboards, ribs, hatches, etc.

I'm sure someone will suggest just leaving it on as weathering, but in this case, it just doesn't look very convincing!

I'll welcome any help.

Regards,

Bob Chapman







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Re: Dust Removal from Roofs

Steve Haas
 

<<Does anyone have a great technique for removing dust from freight car
roofs, hopper car innards, etc.?>>

Bob,

Warm water, dish detergent, a tooth brush and a very gentle touch.

Don't immerse the cars, the water will find any and all paths to the
interior of the car.

Get them wet, use the soap and toothbrush to dislodge the crud and rinse.
Not any different than prepping a car for painting.

Daub the water off with a clean dry towel, then use a hair dryer to
evaporate any remaining water.

Purists may choke on this, but it works fine as long as the cars don't any
time immersed and you use that very gentle touch with the tooth brush.

In some cases, dis-assembly (removing trucks, etc.) might be appropriate.

Best regards,


Steve Haas
Snoqualmie, WA


Re: Dust Removal from Roofs

spsalso
 

This is along the lines of prevention rather than treatment, but I found that when I stopped smoking, the permadust problem went away. For me.

With that, I determined that if I ever had a "$10 million" layout, it would have a viewing area with appropriate ventilation for them as smoked. Of course, it would also have continuous air filtration for the whole layout, anyway.

Dust never sleeps! Though it does seem to lie down a lot.



Ed


Edward Sutorik


Dust Removal from Roofs

Bob Chapman
 

Does anyone have a great technique for removing dust from freight car roofs, hopper car innards, etc.?



Y es, light du st can be re moved with a soft brush. But what I'm talking about is what I'll call "permadust" -- the stuff that sticks even after brushing. A smooth roof presents no problem -- usually a damp cloth will do the trick. But most freight car roofs are not smooth, and the damp cloth or even a Q-Tip will still leave dust accumulations around the runningboards,  ribs, hatches, etc.



I'm sure someone will suggest just leaving it on as weathering, but in this case, it just doesn't look very convincing!



I'll welcome any help.



Regards,

Bob Chapman

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Re: End brackets on CV 40000-series boxcar

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Marty" <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:


Just to clarify when Jim McFarlane told me about the steel "plate" on the ends of the 40000 series cars I thought he was referring to the flat plate on the bottom of the end that was in place of 3-4 of the lower horizontal boards. The Steam Shack/F&C resin kit duplicates this - sort of - since on the model the steel plate is taller than the prototype.

I will attempt to upload a picture of the end of the car into the Files section - and will add a posting to my blog (www.centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com) shortly.

Marty
Getting back to the (top) end plate, here is a link to a photo on the Fallen Flags web site of the CN version. The top plate design is similar, although the end post arrangement is different.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn502471jpa.jpg

These CN cars are almost the same design as the 1917 Canadian Government Railways cars that my old resin kit was based on. The major difference (other than a couple inches of carbody width, was the design of the end plates... the earlier cars had either a flanged steel plate or a fabrication of plate and rolled angles... I no longer have access to the general arrangement drawing, and I can't recall after all this time.

However, while a flanged steel plate can be made on a flanging machine with no additional tooling, the CN and CV parts are more complicated, and require the construction of a forming die, making these pressed steel parts.

However, I get the feeling the horse I'm beating expired long ago :-(

Dennis


Re: Extra Naperville Handouts Available for $5 plus SASE

Norman+Laraine Larkin
 

Hi, Bill. Looks like I'm just a little late to the party. If you run additional copies sometime in the future, I'm still interested in obtaining a copy.
Norm Larkin

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To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Extra Naperville Handouts Available for $5 plus SASE


I have now committed all of the 14 extra handouts to interested parties as of 5:21 PM today.

Thanks!

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I have 14 handouts left from my presentation at the recent Naperville



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