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Re: Boxcar End Tackboards

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Guy Wilber wrote:
in 1914 The Master Car Builders Association adopted, as recommended practice, both the size and location of placard boards on the sides and ends of house cars, The placard boards were to be no less than 16" x 24" in size, The end and side location was to be no less than 4' 6" to the bottom of the placard board from the floor line. Placard boards were to be constructed and firmly attached to steel doors and ends, wood cars were to have the designated area painted with a contrasting color (preferably black) if separate boards were not applied.

In 1953 the AAR's Car Construction Committee lowered the location of placard boards on all the (then) current plates covering doors and ends of house cars. The new height to the bottom of placard boards on sides of cars was 22" and on ends was 2' 6". While The Bureau of Explosives agreed with the changes, the new lower locations were not officially adopted until 1954 after all Interchange and Bureau of Explosive regulations were submitted and approved by the membership of the AAR. Despite the delay in official approval many cars were built and rebuilt with placard boards located in the lower position. Ed Hawkins and others have noted this from photo evidence during previous discussions.
As always, a good summary from Guy. The AAR Manual page covering this change in placard location is shown in one of my blog posts, link below; that post was part of a series of posts about route card boards. In each post, the prior one(s) can be found by links to the earlier information. It will be noted in the AAR Manual page, incidentally, that the change was Recommended Practice, not mandatory.

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/01/route-cards-7.html

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Re: Help with Sunshine Models kit 39.8

Tom Madden
 

Jim King wrote:

The on-line list of Martin's kits shows 39.8, a MP rebuilt Howe truss box
with diagonal panel roof and inverted Murphy end but doesn't state car
length. On ebay, kit 39.9 (which is the same as 39.8 except for decals) is
shown and that label says it's a 50-footer.
Jim, you're misreading the label. It doesn't say 50', it says '50. That is, it's the 1950's blue & gray Eagle Merchandise version of the car, which, as others have pointed out, is 40'.

Tom Madden


Re: Boxcar End Tackboards

Guy Wilber
 

Robert asked:




"Did the tackboard mounting location vary with the railroad, the car builder, the manufacturer of the tackboard or all of the above? Is there a standard 1937 AAR boxcar tackboard mounting location?"

Robert,

You are referring to placard boards, not tack boards.

in 1914 The Master Car Builders Association adopted, as recommended practice, both the size and location of placard boards on the sides and ends of house cars, The placard boards were to be no less than 16" x 24" in size, The end and side location was to be no less than 4' 6" to the bottom of the placard board from the floor line. Placard boards were to be constructed and firmly attached to steel doors and ends, wood cars were to have the designated area painted with a contrasting color (preferably black) if separate boards were not applied.

Though passed as recommended practice the location was dictated and mandated by the ICC's rules governing the shipments of explosives and other dangerous commodities. Cars used in the shipment of such commodities were to be inspected and certified by competent carmen. The certification card was 7 by 7 inches and supplied in triplicate. One was filed by the forwarding carrier and the other two were attached to the the side doors (or placard boards) with the lower edge of the certificate not less than 4 1/2 feet above the floor level of the car.

Placards for all explosives and dangerous commodities were to be placed at the same height, 4' 6" from the car floor. The location was listed within the ICC instructions as well as the later ARA and AAR Bureau of Explosives instruction pamphlets. Placard boards remained at this height into the early 1950s. At that time railroad and shipper organizations complained that the height was impractical when cars were loaded or unloaded at locations away from loading docks.

In 1953 the AAR's Car Construction Committee lowered the location of placard boards on all the (then) current plates covering doors and ends of house cars. The new height to the bottom of placard boards on sides of cars was 22" and on ends was 2' 6". While The Bureau of Explosives agreed with the changes, the new lower locations were not officially adopted until 1954 after all Interchange and Bureau of Explosive regulations were submitted and approved by the membership of the AAR. Despite the delay in official approval many cars were built and rebuilt with placard boards located in the lower position. Ed Hawkins and others have noted this from photo evidence during previous discussions.

And, yes, the AAR 1937 design showed the height to the bottom of placard boards at 4' 6" as did all subsequent revisions until 1953.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada











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Re: Help with Sunshine Models kit 39.8

mopacfirst
 

Yes, the 38 series Sunshine kits are all 40-foot. I've built a few.

Ron Merrick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "SMMW" <jimking3@...> wrote:

The on-line list of Martin's kits shows 39.8, a MP rebuilt Howe truss box
with diagonal panel roof and inverted Murphy end but doesn't state car
length. On ebay, kit 39.9 (which is the same as 39.8 except for decals) is
shown and that label says it's a 50-footer.



I need a 40-foot car to model a DCI box that came from the MP. What length
is kit 39.8? If it's a 50-footer, does Martin offer a 40-ft version?



Jim King


Re: Help with Sunshine Models kit 39.8

O Fenton Wells
 

Jim, I think Martins box label is incorrect. I have that kit, I think as
my kits are packed but I noticed the same thing and oopend the box and in
my box at least is a 40ft car.
fenton

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 4:09 AM, SMMW <jimking3@charter.net> wrote:

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The on-line list of Martin's kits shows 39.8, a MP rebuilt Howe truss box
with diagonal panel roof and inverted Murphy end but doesn't state car
length. On ebay, kit 39.9 (which is the same as 39.8 except for decals) is
shown and that label says it's a 50-footer.

I need a 40-foot car to model a DCI box that came from the MP. What length
is kit 39.8? If it's a 50-footer, does Martin offer a 40-ft version?

Jim King

President, Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

Trainmaster, Craggy Mountain Line RR

www.craggymountainline.com

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Help with Sunshine Models kit 39.8

Jim King
 

The on-line list of Martin's kits shows 39.8, a MP rebuilt Howe truss box
with diagonal panel roof and inverted Murphy end but doesn't state car
length. On ebay, kit 39.9 (which is the same as 39.8 except for decals) is
shown and that label says it's a 50-footer.



I need a 40-foot car to model a DCI box that came from the MP. What length
is kit 39.8? If it's a 50-footer, does Martin offer a 40-ft version?



Jim King

President, Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com



Trainmaster, Craggy Mountain Line RR

www.craggymountainline.com


last call for BC RPM /Trains 2012

hockenheim68
 

Hello everyone,

This is a reminder that BC RPM is going to take place tomorrow Saturday, November 10th, 2012. Meet time is 10AM - 4PM upstairs in the Cameron Centre's Hemlock room overlooking the TRAINS 2012 show floor and sandwiched in between the clinic rooms. BC RPM is an included meet activity for all persons registering for Trains 2012. The railroad prototype modelling event is participatory in nature and we encourage all modellers attending to bring their latest projects along for display and discussion. ALL scales, ALL roads, finished , in-progress, loco, car, structure or diorama, all are welcome. A show & tell will take place during the lunch hour.

Featured clinics can be found at:

http://www.bctrains.org/

under Modeller's meet- Clinics


Trains 2012 runs November 9th-12th and includes operating sessions, public show, escorted layout tour, banquet and prototype tour .


BC RPM/ Trains 2012 registration is $25 CDN
Does not include banquet, layout or prototype tour. Operating sessions free but first come served.

Trains 2012 is located at:
Cameron Centre (across from Lougheed Town Centre)
9523 Cameron Street
Burnaby, BC, Canada


2012 Naperville RPM Conference Photos

dh30973
 

I finally got around to posting the photos I took at this years meet.

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/naper12&;page=all

Dave Hussey


Re: Dates for 2013 Naperville RPM

Clark Propst
 

Here's a quote from Joe from an email yesterday.

"I am trying to wrap up the contract for the hotel right now. As soon as I do I will
post info on the RPM web-site. And then I want to start promoting the Conference
a lot and as soon as possible."

Didn't anyone take model photos to post from the show?

Clark Propst


Re: Dates for 2013 Naperville RPM

Jim Hayes
 

It's not shown on his RPM site. http://railroadprototypemodelers.org




Jim


On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@comcast.net> wrote:

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Anyone know if Joe has posted the dates for next year's Naperville RPM
meet?

Thanks in advance,

Marty McGuirk

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Dates for 2013 Naperville RPM

Marty McGuirk
 

Anyone know if Joe has posted the dates for next year's Naperville RPM meet?



Thanks in advance,



Marty McGuirk


Re: Chickasaw and TCI Car Builders

Jerome <slsfrr@...>
 

The name was TCI&R<<
No, the name was TCI. It was Tennessee Coal, Iron, and Railroad, but the company went by the initials 'TCI'

Jerome Lutzenberger
OKC


Andrews Truck Drawings

Jim Wolf
 

Many thanks to the list members who have graciously given leads in our search for drawings for the USRA 50-ton Andrews Trucks.

Jim Wolf
Belen, NM


Re: Hi to all

Carl
 

ROB--The F & C website states that AAR Cast Steel trucks are appropriate. You may also want to join the Wabash Yahoo group "wabashrailroadhistoricalsoc." and ask the same question. The 40' SS Autocars have been discussed quite extensively there. Best Wishes--CARL

Carl G. Camann
Atlanta, Georgia

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "roblmclear" <rob.mclear3@...> wrote:

Hello

I don't usually post messages to this forum as I am one of those who just lurk to find out things. I must say that the discussions on this list have improved my freight car knowledge and modelling skills accordingly. Althought that can be a two edged sword, I know a lot more than I used to and am far more picky now about getting it right.

I am presently in the process of building a Funaro and Camerlengo Wabash Autocar the kit number is 7084. I have come to the point of adding the trucks which are not included in the kit, yes I did know that when I bought it, but I thought the instructions might have what type of truck I need to use. Can anyone help, the car is HO of course and it is the one piece body kit. To my eye the truck in the diagram looks like either the ARA Cast Steel with spring plank, AAR Double Truss self aligning spring plankless or an ASF A3 50 ton.

Can someone please point me in the right direction, the car is numbered 46838 if that helps with the car series. Any help would be appreciated thanks.

Regards
Rob McLear
Kingaroy Australia.


Re: Chickasaw and TCI Car Builders

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jason Greene wrote:
TC&I built those cars at the newly built Fairfield plant. The plant was built in 1917. The car shop was actually moved brick by brick from Bessemer. The land that Pullman bought and placed their plant was owned by TC&I.
The name was TCI&R.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: NP DS Xm roofs

Ed <nprybiged@...>
 

Dennis

Yes, the CV Roof is 1 scale foot to wide for the CV Stock Car. It is
1 foot to wide for many other NP Box Cars as well as other roads.

I am a member of the NPRHA and have witten a article for our
Mainstreeter explaining how to cut the roof and floor and underbody
to come up with a correct NP Stock Car.

The CV NP Stock Car is a very excellent modeler of the car. I also
made a master of the End at the correct width and had Tom Madden do
the casting. These correct NP Stock Car ends saves you a lot of extra
and work. They are for sale in your (NPRHA) Company Co. Go to www.nprha.org .

I have posted in the Photo Section, photos showing what a Scale foot
difference looks like.

I have also posted a builders photo of the interior of the NP Stock
Car that shows the roof construction. I hope this may answer your Roof
questions.

I photos are in Big Ed's Photos. They are awaiting approval before
they can be viewed.

Ed Ursem
Bloomington, MN



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--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "soolinehistory" <destorzek@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "dssa1051" <dssa1051@> wrote:


Is that the type of roof that Central Valley has modeled in their NP stock car kit?

Dennis, Is that the same roof used on the Soo Line Type 3 and Type 4 boxcars? (the SOO April, 1983 October, 1983)

Robert Oom
Kalamazoo, MI
Yes, it is. Also the ten milk cars built at Shoreham. Two problems:

The CV part is almost a scale foot too wide... for the NP stock car as well.

The CV part has either one too few or one too many panels for the Soo cars I forget which), although it is likely correct for the NP stockcar.

The width can be fixed by taking a slice out of the middle; the running board will hide the splice. The panels could be fixed by splicing parts from two roofs together, or, just ignore it. Who counts roof panels, anyway? ;-)

But why? Considering Sunshine makes kits for the cars it was used on. I'll admit, it is useful for the milk cars.

Dennis


Hi to all

roblmclear <rob.mclear3@...>
 

Hello

I don't usually post messages to this forum as I am one of those who just lurk to find out things. I must say that the discussions on this list have improved my freight car knowledge and modelling skills accordingly. Althought that can be a two edged sword, I know a lot more than I used to and am far more picky now about getting it right.

I am presently in the process of building a Funaro and Camerlengo Wabash Autocar the kit number is 7084. I have come to the point of adding the trucks which are not included in the kit, yes I did know that when I bought it, but I thought the instructions might have what type of truck I need to use. Can anyone help, the car is HO of course and it is the one piece body kit. To my eye the truck in the diagram looks like either the ARA Cast Steel with spring plank, AAR Double Truss self aligning spring plankless or an ASF A3 50 ton.

Can someone please point me in the right direction, the car is numbered 46838 if that helps with the car series. Any help would be appreciated thanks.

Regards
Rob McLear
Kingaroy Australia.


Re: Chickasaw and TCI Car Builders

Jason Greene
 

John,

TC&I built those cars at the newly built Fairfield plant. The plant was built in 1917. The car shop was actually moved brick by brick from Bessemer. The land that Pullman bought and placed their plant was owned by TC&I.

Chickasaw was the Ship Building site on the Warrior River. The site is now called Birmingport. I would imagine these cars were built there. The line between Fairfield and Birmingport was completed in 1920.


Jason Greene


Re: Sunshine Model kits

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Ben, that's a big help.
Fenton

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@att.net> wrote:

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Fenton Wells asked:

"Could someone resend me the list of Sunshine kits being eliminated and
the new
price list for those still in production. I thought the kits through No.
25 were

being eliminated but am not sure."

http://www.sunshinekits.com/downsize.html

Ben Hom




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Re: Gondola ends - Red Caboose GS

Bill Welch
 

I am using the Accurail Dreadnaught ends from their 40-ft AAR gon kit on my Detail Assoc. kit. They are a dead-on fit. The Detail Assoc. ends are going on the Accurail kit to create a Georgia car, but could be used to create an ACL also.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Justin May <jmay59@...> wrote:

List,
Which ends are most prototypical for modeling an IC 96000-97000,
296000 series drop bottom gondola from the Red Caboose kit? I found a
prototype photo of a sister car in stump service and by the late date,
one could reasonably assume the doors were welded shut since being
rebuilt and repainted. I see two ends listed SP/UP but see little
variation in the two.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=708972

I have found correct Kohlberg decals for the car thankfully, but the
ends have me stumped. Any guidance would gratefully appreciated

Justin May

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