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Re: Possible new project

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst asked:
"My question to the group is whether there is a market for a riveted PS1 end?"

Are the differences great enough that simply applying Archer rivets won't answer
the mail?


Ben Hom


Re: Unusual end on UP steel gon, 1923 photo -- Also D&RGW relettering

Kenneth Montero
 

In the same picture just above the gondola, it appears that a D&RG boxcar was relettered for D&RGW by simply adding a "W" to the existing "D&RG" lettering, with the addition being in a less-weathered paint -- and, to top it off, it is next to a "D&RG" boxcar that had not been updated. If you make a model with this re-lettering, be sure to keep a copy of this photo to ward off the prototype police.

Ken Montero

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Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:14:15 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Unusual end on UP steel gon, 1923 photo






Can someone tell me about the unusual end on this Union Pacific steel gondola? It appears to be a flat end, with a horizontal rib crossing a vertical rib, and looks like a star. The photo is by USGS, and shows the Clear Creek coal mine in Utah in 1923. The car number looks like UP 21664. If so, then the UP equipment record says it was built in Nov 1917, but it should be lettered as Utah Coal Route.

http://libraryphoto.cr.usgs.gov/cgi-bin/show_picture.cgi?ID=ID.%20Spieker,%20E.M.%20258&SIZE=large

or...

http://goo.gl/CPtFB

Don Strack




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Re: Possible new project

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Clark,



I'm always looking for accurate steam era freight cars to acquire, hopefully build, and place in service on my layout!  So I, for one, would be very interested.  Would decals be available?



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD

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To: "STMFC" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 9:44:32 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Possible new project

 




At Naperville I had a chat with Dennis Eggert about his CNW riveted side PS1. He went to a lot of trouble to add rivets to it. I remembered the article in RP Cyc 1, using the Intermountain AAR 1937 modified body with their PS1 ends. Dennis said he wasn’t able to get the ends from IM.

Here’s my thought. Thinking of having Chad Boas cast PS1 ends. Chads up to it and asked if the ends were riveted or welded. I glanced at some photos last night and some are riveted. I will contact Lloyd Keyser on the CNW cars, but these ends could be used to make early, late 40s, versions too.

My question to the group is whether there is a market for a riveted PS1 end?

What you think?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Possible new project

Clark Propst
 

At Naperville I had a chat with Dennis Eggert about his CNW riveted side PS1. He went to a lot of trouble to add rivets to it. I remembered the article in RP Cyc 1, using the Intermountain AAR 1937 modified body with their PS1 ends. Dennis said he wasn’t able to get the ends from IM.

Here’s my thought. Thinking of having Chad Boas cast PS1 ends. Chads up to it and asked if the ends were riveted or welded. I glanced at some photos last night and some are riveted. I will contact Lloyd Keyser on the CNW cars, but these ends could be used to make early, late 40s, versions too.

My question to the group is whether there is a market for a riveted PS1 end?

What you think?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Re: Unusual end on UP steel gon, 1923 photo

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Bettendorf used this end on gondolas built for the CB&Q, UP and C&S, at
least, between 1908 and 1922. There were 200 UP cars, built in 1913,
numbered 11647-11846 and later renumbered to 20650-20849 in class G-50-5. A
photo and drawing appear in the 1916 CBD. So the car in the picture may be
20664.



Regards,

Steve Hile







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donstrack
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 6:14 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] Unusual end on UP steel gon, 1923 photo





Can someone tell me about the unusual end on this Union Pacific steel
gondola? It appears to be a flat end, with a horizontal rib crossing a
vertical rib, and looks like a star. The photo is by USGS, and shows the
Clear Creek coal mine in Utah in 1923. The car number looks like UP 21664.
If so, then the UP equipment record says it was built in Nov 1917, but it
should be lettered as Utah Coal Route.

http://libraryphoto.cr.usgs.gov/cgi-bin/show_picture.cgi?ID=ID.%20Spieker,%2
0E.M.%20258
<http://libraryphoto.cr.usgs.gov/cgi-bin/show_picture.cgi?ID=ID.%20Spieker,%
20E.M.%20258&SIZE=large> &SIZE=large

or...

http://goo.gl/CPtFB

Don Strack


Unusual end on UP steel gon, 1923 photo

Don Strack
 

Can someone tell me about the unusual end on this Union Pacific steel gondola? It appears to be a flat end, with a horizontal rib crossing a vertical rib, and looks like a star. The photo is by USGS, and shows the Clear Creek coal mine in Utah in 1923. The car number looks like UP 21664. If so, then the UP equipment record says it was built in Nov 1917, but it should be lettered as Utah Coal Route.

http://libraryphoto.cr.usgs.gov/cgi-bin/show_picture.cgi?ID=ID.%20Spieker,%20E.M.%20258&SIZE=large

or...

http://goo.gl/CPtFB

Don Strack


Re: I tipped my cap to Alonzo Mather

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Scott Pitzer wrote:
Today I attended a funeral at Forest Lawn, Glendale, CA. Not long
after a former acquaintance had asked me, "Do you still have all
those trains?" I noticed a "private room" with a pair of ornate
doors, facing the courtyard of their Great Mausoleum, marked ALONZO
MATHER.
I resisted the temptation to give the folks a capsule history of
his humane livestock cars, and his car leasing company...
Interesting! I'd have thought he'd be buried somewhere in the
Chicago area, since he spent most of life there. The company's shops
were in Chicago Ridge, of course, and its offices were in the
imposing 43-story building Mather built in downtown Chicago (which,
AFAIK, still exists), not to mention the Alonzo Mather Home for Aged
Ladies, which was in Evanston. However, it appears that, like many
another midwesterner, he escaped to sunny southern California when he
retired.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Adventures with C&BT cars

Clark Propst
 

I'll attach some first of the week to emails on the P-L list. Nutt'n special tho...

Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., Rich C <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Clark, Always looking forward to photos of your completed projects. Always inspiring!
 
Rich Christie


I tipped my cap to Alonzo Mather

Scott Pitzer
 

Today I attended a funeral at Forest Lawn, Glendale, CA. Not long after a former acquaintance had asked me, "Do you still have all those trains?" I noticed a "private room" with a pair of ornate doors, facing the courtyard of their Great Mausoleum, marked ALONZO MATHER.
I resisted the temptation to give the folks a capsule history of his humane livestock cars, and his car leasing company...
Scott Pitzer


Re: Adventures with C&BT cars

Rich C
 

Clark, Always looking forward to photos of your completed projects. Always inspiring!
 
Rich Christie

--- On Fri, 11/30/12, cepropst@q.com <cepropst@q.com> wrote:


From: cepropst@q.com <cepropst@q.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Adventures with C&BT cars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, November 30, 2012, 6:07 PM



 





I know what you mean Rich, I have enough 'stuff' to complete a few body shells ; ))

About done with this one. Made some doors and added most of the details today. Need to add the running board end supports and set in the underframe, then I can finish the handbrake gear and paint it. Then it's a waiting game till the decals show...

Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., Rich C <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Clark et al, I miss the older CB&T kits that have the seperate ladders. I never use the stock ladders that came with the kits, but its nice to have a clean side and ends to add a third party ladder/grabs etc.
 
Rich Christie

--- On Fri, 11/30/12, cepropst@... <cepropst@...> wrote:


Cocoa Beach roommate wanted

Jared Harper
 

I am looking for a roommate to share a room at Cocoa Beach.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Adventures with C&BT cars

Clark Propst
 

I know what you mean Rich, I have enough 'stuff' to complete a few body shells ; ))

About done with this one. Made some doors and added most of the details today. Need to add the running board end supports and set in the underframe, then I can finish the handbrake gear and paint it. Then it's a waiting game till the decals show...

Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@..., Rich C <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Clark et al, I miss the older CB&T kits that have the seperate ladders. I never use the stock ladders that came with the kits, but its nice to have a clean side and ends to add a third party ladder/grabs etc.
 
Rich Christie

--- On Fri, 11/30/12, cepropst@... <cepropst@...> wrote:


FS New HO Decal from Mount Vernon Shops!

John S. Frantz
 

To Whom It May Concern:
 
Mount Vernon Shops is happy to announce the introduction of the following
new Decal Sets to its line.
 HO Scale PRR F22 and F23 Flatcars. Enough data to do 4 cars. The F22 has been done by Railworks in brass and both th F22 ad F23 have been done as resin kits by F&C. In addition to data for lettering the cars themselves, for those wishing to use the Load Bridges sold by American Model Builders for larger loads, decals are included for the load bridges which were numbered to match the cars they were assigned to. Together, they make this the most comprehensive set ever produced for these cars in HO.

More info here: http://www.mountvernonshops.com/F22.html


Finally, you can purchase my products by ether
emailing me, mailing me an order, or as time permits, I do post most of
my product line on Ebay. Prices are the same regardless of how you
choose to
order. Also shipping is a flat $5.00 whether you order 1 or 10 decal
sets.  Please contact me off list if interested.
 
If anyone has any questions regarding the above product or
any others listed on my website please contact me at the following email: jfrantz@...
 
Thank You and Best Regards,
John Frantz
 
Owner,
Mount Vernon Shops
York, PA
 
York, PA
Crossroads of the Pennsylvania Railroad, Maryland & Pennsylvania and Western Maryland Railroads.

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Re: Adventures with C&BT cars

Rich C
 

Clark et al, I miss the older CB&T kits that have the seperate ladders. I never use the stock ladders that came with the kits, but its nice to have a clean side and ends to add a third party ladder/grabs etc.
 
Rich Christie

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From: cepropst@q.com <cepropst@q.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Adventures with C&BT cars
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@...>
Date: Friday, November 30, 2012, 9:28 AM



 



I remember C&BT coming to Trainfest in Milwaukee with quite a large display, talking to the owner and even buying a couple models.

Lately I made up a model want list based on documented loads that my layout customers would have shipped/received. Came up with 2 C&BT models, both with 12 panel sides.
Stan Rydarowicz sent me a couple 12 panel shells he had. One of the cars on my list was a ATSF 12 panel car. Richard was kind enough to email mme an image. Stan’s bodies had the right sides and ends, but wrong roof. I had to cut it off and add a replacement, among other things. It wasn’t till I was decaling the car that I noticed the side end panels were wider than the rest causing the herald to rest on a seam instead of between two...oh well...

When I was ‘studying’ one of Ed Hawkin’s spread sheets for the other car on my list’s body I noticed that some of the cars marked for 12 panel sides had a W behind the 12. Maybe I now know what that W meant?

The other car on the list was CNJ. The other week a 12 panel model with the right end/roof configuration showed up for sale on the HO Interchange Yahoo group, so I bought it. It has arrived. The CNJ cars were welded, this model ‘had’ rivets. But, the side panels are all the same width. There were a bunch of photos on the CNJ cars on the “fallen Flags” website. Maybe the first 2/3s of the order had 7’ 5 panel superior doors the last 1/3 had Youngstown. The car came with 7 panel Superior doors, so I need to scratch a pair up. Jerry Glow is modifying a CNJ decal set for me. Happy bout that. It will be interesting to see what pitfalls await with this model.
Working with models you’re not that familiar with is an adventure for sure.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Brass and resin for sale

buygonet <buygone@...>
 

All:

I have eight lists for brass and resin items left over from the Paul Lyons' estate. Most of the brass is Southern Pacific. The document is an Excel spreadsheet and each list is on a separate "Sheet" which has been named according to the items for sale. Prices have been reduced and are shown on the lists. Please e-mail me off line at ptkoehler at att.net if you would like me to send you a copy the items for sale. Do not respond on this list, as I will not reply.

Paul C. Koehler


Helium cars and paint

Malcolm H. Houck
 

Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:21 am (PST) . Posted by:
_"lnbill" lnbill _
(mailto:fgexbill@...?subject=Re:%20:%20completed%20helium%20car%20model)
Military Modelers commonly use slightly lighter shades of paint to
compensate for what they call "the Scale Effect."

Bill Welch


Back to a mid-1950's MR article John Allen wrote about his techniques
for weathering. As a professional photographer he was more than casually
interested in light, lighting and lighting effects. He made a specific
point of
mentioning that his methods of painting and weathering included lightening
the paint or application; -- all to account for the fact that, in his
opinion, the
interior lighting in which models are most customarily viewed was about
one-fifiteth (his term) the intensity of sunlight.

For myself I also pre-weather painted models by adding a non-specific
amount of white, gray, M-O-W gray, or grime to all base colors. This
serves, in my opinion, to make details less subject to being obscured
and eases the subsequent task of weathering.

The variations in colors and coloring adds a temporal feature to my own
modeling, by suggesting fading (as Tony Thompson mentions) and then
further suggesting that even the same or similar cars may have
undergone painting at differing times in the past, perhaps using paint
formulas of slightly differing composition or aging.

As for black, and especially black used on steam locomotives, I not
only lighten the black with some manner of gray, but I also "warm" the
paint by adding boxcar red as well. I use this to account for the fact
that often models are displayed under fluorescent light tending to green
spectra and absent red light.

Mal Houck


Re: FW&D Boxcar Brake Wheel

Ed Hawkins
 

On Nov 30, 2012, at 12:59 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

I have had some great help on this list in completing a
FW&D boxcar in the 8300 series. As I am about to complete
the car I have found an end photo of CB&Q car #32611.
This car had a Miner hand brake. Did the FW&D cars also
use this hand brake?
Bill,
According to a number of photos, FW&D 8001-8500 series box cars built
in 1944 came with Ajax hand brakes, wood running boards, steel-plate
brake steps (also possibly Morton but cannot confirm the round holes),
and 8-rung side and end ladders. Doors were either 7-panel Superior
(first 250) or Youngstown (last 250) with the door split of 250 each
being an estimate based on photos.

FW&D 8183 and 8200 appear to have double-truss spring-plankless trucks.
Photos of 8207, 8287, 8415, 8468 show National Type B trucks. The split
of trucks may be 8001-8200 & 8201-8500, but more photos are needed to
confirm. Some of the above information goes against published data in
the Burlington Bulletin No. 7 on XM-32 box cars. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: FW&D Boxcar Brake Wheel

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Pardie asked:
"I have had some great help on this list in completing a
FW&D boxcar in the 8300 series. As I am about to complete
the car I have found an end photo of CB&Q car #32611.
This car had a Miner hand brake. Did the FW&D cars also
use this hand brake?"

Help us help you - what type of boxcars are you asking about?  It'll help narrow
down the search.


Ben Hom


FW&D Boxcar Brake Wheel

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I have had some great help on this list in completing a
FW&D boxcar in the 8300 series. As I am about to complete
the car I have found an end photo of CB&Q car #32611.
This car had a Miner hand brake. Did the FW&D cars also
use this hand brake?

Thanks in advance for any help:

Bill Pardie



Dark model colors [Was: completed helium car model]

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote (in part):
One of the surest ways to make a model look unrealistic is to paint it the exact same color as its prototype.
Hear, hear. This is especially true of dark colors, for the reasons Richard elaborated in his full comment. A "correct" Southern Pacific Dark Olive color, used on passenger cars including head-end cars (thus topical for this list), looks pretty close to black on a model. But color photos of the prototype in sunlight show a visibly green color. Imported brass cars carefully painted the exact prototype color are terribly dark and simply do not look right, which is Richard's point.
I differ with Richard in believing that the correct prototype color is worth pursuing, because it is a good STARTING POINT, but I entirely agree with him that you MUST move on from that starting point to make choices on how much to lighten that color. That's what I did on the helium car.

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