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Share a Room for Cocoa Beach?

erict1361 <erict1361@...>
 

Anyone who is planning on Attending Prototype Rails "Cocoa Beach" in January and wants to Split the cost of a Non Smoking Room, Contact me off List if interested.

Eric Thur

erict1361@...


Re: Possible new project

tedander2000
 

FYI, at the IRM Pullman Library we are in the process of completing the filing by lot number of the P-S freight cars from late 5800's toward end of production over the next two months, currently at lot 8700. Occasionally there may be a photo, general drawing, and certainly a specification. Give a reply if you know what you are looking for to complete your model, and the lot number or numbers (more means a better chance of finding the info). Note that we are talking about a baggage car filled with archived cartons by lot number, so please be specific. Our charges are designed to be reasonable yet cover the cost of restoration, all volunteer assistance. Earlier lots back to the teens, including Haskell & Barker and Standard Steel Car, are in separate, filed collections of extensive linen drawings, licensed copies available. Perhaps the information you seek might be there in one of the collections. Check also ericsrailcarhistory for the P-S freight car listings on CD.
Ted Anderson, IRM Pullman Library curator

--- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Mark Stamm asked:
"What spread sheet are you referring to?"

Pullman Standard PS-1 40' Box Car List, compiled by Ed Hawkins (MS Excel file):
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protofrtcarsmain.html


Ben Hom


Re: Shorty flats (UNCLASSIFIED)

Clark Propst
 

Thanks for clearing my fog Bruce : ))
Clark Propst


Re: Shorty flats (UNCLASSIFIED)

Clark Propst
 

I can send a photo to you off line Elden?

I thought the flange was for that prupose.

Thanks,
Clark Propst


Re: Tangent ATSF 60' GSC Flat Car Model

Brian Carlson
 

Dave, I've seen the photos. I was more concerned that the ATSF or any others were put into immediate loading or service that would limit them passing thru Corry or Warren Pa. In August 1957. A general service flat is plausible. A flat in Boeing service not so much.

Now when you release the Bethlehem Gons in LV as-built and B&O 1950's paint I'll buy a bunch, hint hint.

Brian Carlson

On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:32 AM, "tangentscalemodels" <tangentscalemodels@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@...,



Re: Tangent ATSF 60' GSC Flat Car Model

atsfnut <michaelEGross@...>
 

Richard,

Thank you for the timely information concerning the Tangent GSC flat car. Tangent's website mentions they have the ATSF version in the original 1956 paint scheme, while you say the cars were built in Topeka in 4-54. I appreciate the clarification, as 1954 is the year I model.

Again, my thanks!

Michael Gross

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

Brian Carlson asked me off-list for information on the prototype for
this model, and it occurred to me that some others on this list might
like to have the information as well, so I'm posting it below.

The Santa Fe 60' GSC flat cars were ATSF Class Ft-7 built in the
Topeka Shops in 4-54 from cast steel underframes provided by General
Steel Castings. There were 100 cars numbered 90900-90999 and all
were equipped with 70 ton ASF A-3 trucks with 5'8" wheelbase. When
new they were general service flat cars with no special loading
equipment. By 10-58 five of them (90913 through 90917) had been
equipped with fixtures and enclosures to handle Boeing aircraft
parts. B y 1962, 13 additional cars had been equipped with loading
fixtures for coiled steel and renumbered into the 90880 90899 series,
but 67 were still listed in the ORERs as class FM. I sent a Santa Fe
builder's photo to David Lehlbach at Tangent and, since he is
meticulous, I'm sure he reproduced the lettering exactly as shown in
the photo.

Richard Hendrickson





Re: Enterprise Door Locks

frograbbit602
 

Thank You Dennis and Al for the information on the "Type D" door locks. I also found that it is described in RPC Vol. 1, p. 87 and a photo of a Frisco hopper with the " Type D" door locks is in the same Vol. p 92. Thanks again, Lester Breuer


Re: Shorty flats (UNCLASSIFIED)

Bruce Smith
 

Clark,

I will add that it is definitely a PRR F22 if it is the car used as a snow plow. The Milwaukee did have some short flats, built in 1942 as gun flats. The MILW cars were welded and very distinctive. The Roundhouse "Old Time" flat is ironically enough, close to one of these. However, over the years the have added rivets to it, making it less appropriate, and based on measurements of the real thing (one survives in in-plant service with a turbine manufacturer in eastern PA) you're probably better off scratch building the MILW flat. I do have photos of the surviving MILW car.


Regards

Bruce


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On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Gatwood, Elden SAW wrote:

Clark;

There was a photo posted once upon a time, and several folks recognized the car as very likely PRR class F22, I believe. If I saw a photo I could ID it for you. The center "flange" you refer to was likely the pivot fitted to these cars for use in gun tube service or other uses in which a long load needed a pivot. If anyone has a photo, it'd help.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...> [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of cepropst@q.com<mailto:cepropst@q.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 9:30 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Shorty flats



Was talking to an employee of the trolley at a mall train show out of town. The short flat car they have was brought up. He thought it was a Pennsy car. I thought that the Milwaukee had some too? Remember a model made by MDC/Roundhouse I believe.
Anyways, he said it had a round flange casting in the center of the deck.

Can anyone solve this mystery?...maybe again...
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Tangent ATSF 60' GSC Flat Car Model

Tangent Scale Models
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

Brian Carlson asked me off-list for information on the prototype for
this model, and it occurred to me that some others on this list might
like to have the information as well, so I'm posting it below.

The Santa Fe 60' GSC flat cars were ATSF Class Ft-7 built in the
Topeka Shops in 4-54 from cast steel underframes provided by General
Steel Castings. There were 100 cars numbered 90900-90999 and all
were equipped with 70 ton ASF A-3 trucks with 5'8" wheelbase. When
new they were general service flat cars with no special loading
equipment. By 10-58 five of them (90913 through 90917) had been
equipped with fixtures and enclosures to handle Boeing aircraft
parts. B y 1962, 13 additional cars had been equipped with loading
fixtures for coiled steel and renumbered into the 90880 90899 series,
but 67 were still listed in the ORERs as class FM. I sent a Santa Fe
builder's photo to David Lehlbach at Tangent and, since he is
meticulous, I'm sure he reproduced the lettering exactly as shown in
the photo.
Also Brian, since Tangent is a company that tries very hard to get the small details right, we actually show photos of prototype cars on our website that always match a car number we have selected. For our new 60' GSC flatcar, here are prototype images:
http://tangentscalemodels.com/gsc60flatprototype.aspx

And here are high res model images where you can see the small details:
http://tangentscalemodels.com/gsc60flatreplicas.aspx

Thank you,

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models


Re: Shorty flats (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Clark;

There was a photo posted once upon a time, and several folks recognized the car as very likely PRR class F22, I believe. If I saw a photo I could ID it for you. The center "flange" you refer to was likely the pivot fitted to these cars for use in gun tube service or other uses in which a long load needed a pivot. If anyone has a photo, it'd help.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of cepropst@q.com
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 9:30 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Shorty flats



Was talking to an employee of the trolley at a mall train show out of town. The short flat car they have was brought up. He thought it was a Pennsy car. I thought that the Milwaukee had some too? Remember a model made by MDC/Roundhouse I believe.
Anyways, he said it had a round flange casting in the center of the deck.

Can anyone solve this mystery?...maybe again...
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: Tangent ATSF 60' GSC Flat Car Model

tchenoweth@...
 

Some of the Ft-7s had bulkheads added to the ends and sideboards for brick
service. I also have a 91412 and a 93143 with bulkheads added. Tom
Chenoweth


Re: Possible new project

Charles Tapper
 

If you are talking about an early PS-1 end like this:
 
http://www.thepwvhiline.com/HistoricEraImagesJan2006Pa/pwvbxcar2.html
 
 Then yes I would be interested.  The P&WV cars are a future project.
 
Charlie Tapper
Broken Arrow, OK


________________________________
From: "tgregmrtn@..." <tgregmrtn@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Possible new project

 
Clark,

Stan also currently offers these end IIRC.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 12/1/2012 6:44:44 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mailto:cepropst%40q.com writes:

At Naperville I had a chat with Dennis Eggert about his CNW riveted side
PS1. He went to a lot of trouble to add rivets to it. I remembered the
article in RP Cyc 1, using the Intermountain AAR 1937 modified body with their
PS1 ends. Dennis said he wasn’t able to get the ends from IM.

Here’s my thought. Thinking of having Chad Boas cast PS1 ends. Chads up to
it and asked if the ends were riveted or welded. I glanced at some photos
last night and some are riveted. I will contact Lloyd Keyser on the CNW
cars, but these ends could be used to make early, late 40s, versions too.

My question to the group is whether there is a market for a riveted PS1
end?

What you think?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



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Re: Drilling template for grab irons on Accurail and Mantua/Tyco gons?

John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
 

I use this same approach using drafting tool called a "divider." (See HERE or click link below) I simply remove the lead and insert a second pointed tip. Always get great results.

http://www.draftingsteals.com/20002.html


John Degnan
Scaler164@...
Scaler187@...

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sandifer
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Drilling template for grab irons on Accurail and Mantua/Tyco gons?


I have some dial calipers (Harbor Freight). I set the opening to match the centerline of the grabs to be installed. Then I use the thumb screw to tighten the caliper down so it won't move. One side of the caliper is for measuring the outside dimension of something, the other side for the inside dimension, and the inside anvils are very sharp. I simply line them up where I think the grabs should go and push them into the plastic, or in some cases scratch a line. That method works great for me.


Re: Drilling template for grab irons on Accurail and Mantua/Tyco gons?

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have some dial calipers (Harbor Freight). I set the opening to match the centerline of the grabs to be installed. Then I use the thumb screw to tighten the caliper down so it won't move. One side of the caliper is for measuring the outside dimension of something, the other side for the inside dimension, and the inside anvils are very sharp. I simply line them up where I think the grabs should go and push them into the plastic, or in some cases scratch a line. That method works great for me.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Steven D Johnson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:34 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Drilling template for grab irons on Accurail and Mantua/Tyco gons?



James' post prompted me to ask if there is a commercially-available drilling
template for installing the five side grab irons on Accurail and
Mantua/Tyco gons, after shaving off the cast-on ones.

Thanks,

Steve Johnson

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Kadee bracket grab irons

James,
I will have one commercially available soon. Probably by the new year.
Price TBA.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "James"
<jkcummings@...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone yet etched a drilling template for installing Kadee bracket
grabirons ?
> Regards, James Cummings
>


Shorty flats

Clark Propst
 

Was talking to an employee of the trolley at a mall train show out of town. The short flat car they have was brought up. He thought it was a Pennsy car. I thought that the Milwaukee had some too? Remember a model made by MDC/Roundhouse I believe.
Anyways, he said it had a round flange casting in the center of the deck.

Can anyone solve this mystery?...maybe again...
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: seaboard boxcar

golden1014
 

Tom,

Accurail 3015 is fairly close, but it's not quite right. The prototype AF-3 was the 1937 DD auto car with 4-5 ends, but SAL cars had pre-war doors and a different bottom side sill. To best match the AF-3 use the excellent Red Caboose car. The Accurail car you have might be a good stand in for an SAL AF-5 but the AF-5 had proprietary Pullman ends and a different sill so you're out of luck there too.I can send you photos offline and you can figure out if the car is close enough for your taste.

John Golden
OFallon, IL

--- In STMFC@..., "tomedill@..." <tomedill@...> wrote:

Was given an Accurail #3015 Seaboard double-door 40ft. box no. 22449. Nice looking with great "Courteous Service" slogan. am not familiar with Seaboard equipment and was wondering if this is a fairly accurate model. From the few photos I found it is not like the AF-3's with that number series. Model has diagonal panel roof, looks like Youngstown doors, 3-4 ends with rectangular top rib and long side sill. I would like to upgrade it if pretty much correct for a Seaboard car. Thanks,  Tom Dill


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Tangent ATSF 60' GSC Flat Car Model

Richard Hendrickson
 

Brian Carlson asked me off-list for information on the prototype for
this model, and it occurred to me that some others on this list might
like to have the information as well, so I'm posting it below.

The Santa Fe 60' GSC flat cars were ATSF Class Ft-7 built in the
Topeka Shops in 4-54 from cast steel underframes provided by General
Steel Castings. There were 100 cars numbered 90900-90999 and all
were equipped with 70 ton ASF A-3 trucks with 5'8" wheelbase. When
new they were general service flat cars with no special loading
equipment. By 10-58 five of them (90913 through 90917) had been
equipped with fixtures and enclosures to handle Boeing aircraft
parts. B y 1962, 13 additional cars had been equipped with loading
fixtures for coiled steel and renumbered into the 90880 90899 series,
but 67 were still listed in the ORERs as class FM. I sent a Santa Fe
builder's photo to David Lehlbach at Tangent and, since he is
meticulous, I'm sure he reproduced the lettering exactly as shown in
the photo.

Richard Hendrickson


Drilling template for grab irons on Accurail and Mantua/Tyco gons?

Steven D Johnson
 

James' post prompted me to ask if there is a commercially-available drilling
template for installing the five side grab irons on Accurail and
Mantua/Tyco gons, after shaving off the cast-on ones.



Thanks,



Steve Johnson





From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Kadee bracket grab irons





James,
I will have one commercially available soon. Probably by the new year.
Price TBA.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "James"
<jkcummings@...> wrote:

Has anyone yet etched a drilling template for installing Kadee bracket
grabirons ?
Regards, James Cummings


Re: Possible new project

Ed Hawkins
 

On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Mark at Euphoriatt wrote:

According to Ed Hawkin's spread sheet only the DL&W and NH had 10' ih cars,
so only the standard 10'6" end would be made.
Clark,
Over the past number of years since these files were made available, many around the 2005 time period, I have made considerable changes to the various lists of prototype cars in the STMFC web site. In due time as the web site undergoes improvements, I will provide updated lists for downloading. Changes include additional columns of information and making additions or corrections to data that either wasn't known at the time or was found to be in error. These lists are always to be considered as works in progress.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Possible new project

Benjamin Hom
 

Mark Stamm asked:
"What spread sheet are you referring to?"

Pullman Standard PS-1 40' Box Car List, compiled by Ed Hawkins (MS Excel file):
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protofrtcarsmain.html


Ben Hom

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