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Re: Just in time for Cocoa Beach

Clark Propst
 

Are there is structions for that new three humper Pierre?

I'm assembling a GATX single dome. The instructions are for the two humper and first single dome cars. Not even a photo of the car I'm building! Two car numbers are offered in the decal sheet. It would be nice to know of other cars so we all don't have the same car number. Like with 1638.

Thanks for the update and Merry Chritmas,
Clark Propst

Re: Just in time for Cocoa Beach

Bill Welch
 

The WrighTrak qill have thier plate end version of the SAL Ventilator by The Beach as well.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Southern Car and Foundry should have their new 3 compartment tankcars ready for sale at Cocoa Beach.
The pilot models are almost complete and can been seen at my blog.
http://elgincarshops.blogspot.ca/2012/12/just-in-time-for-new-year.html
Jon has done it again.
Pierre Oliver

Just in time for Cocoa Beach

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Southern Car and Foundry should have their new 3 compartment tankcars ready for sale at Cocoa Beach.
The pilot models are almost complete and can been seen at my blog.
http://elgincarshops.blogspot.ca/2012/12/just-in-time-for-new-year.html
Jon has done it again.
Pierre Oliver

Insulated Railroad Cars In 1944

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

A timeline in an article titled "A Salute to Frozen Food
History"

( http://www.napsnet.com/pdf_archive/42/52759.pdf
<http://www.napsnet.com/pdf_archive/42/52759.pdf> ) notes that in 1944,
" National distribution of frozen food gets easier as the first
insulated railroad cars are leased."

Does anyone have specific on the cars or the leasing companies?

Thanks.

+++

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 



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Re: Shorpy and the A.T.&S.F

Benjamin Hom
 

Gene Green wrote:
"Thanks for your responses about the Santa Fe yard photo. When
looking at any photo or film footage of a group of freight cars one
of the things I notice is - for want of a better term - texture."

Gene, you hit the nail on the head - the different looks of car construction and heights catches the eye and is vital to capturing the look of the steam-to-diesel transition era. We've been preaching this at RPI for years.


"In general, up to about 1910 all box cars were double-sheathed
wood. (I know. All generalizations are false including . . . etc.)
Between about 1910 and 1945 some box cars were single-sheathed while,
from the early 1930s more and more box cars were double-sheathed
steel."

Generally yes, but your dates are a bit off. Large groups of SS boxcars did appear before the Great War (e.g., 36 ft Fowler/Dominion, 1903; 40 ft PRR Class X23, 1912); 40 ft SS boxcars were built in large quantities after WWI and stayed in service well after 1945, and the better part of over 60,000 steel sheathed boxcars built by PRR (Class X29) and NYC (USRA-design) were in service before 1930.


"My general impression is that in HO single-sheathed models available in somewhat less variety than they ought to be. My impression could be influenced by my preference for single-sheathed box cars. The perceived lack could be the result of what I suspect is the somewhat more difficult manufacturing process for single-sheathed box cars."

This is far less a manufacturing issue and much more of a marketing issue to the manufacturers to identify a "common" prototype that can be offered for multiple roadnames. Despite the large number of SS boxcars built during the 1920, there were a small number of "common" designs - the USRA SS design, and the 1923 ARA standard "Pratt Truss" design (BAR, BM, L&N) are two that come to mind. (The WWII "War Emergency" SS boxcars are a later "common" design but were built in much smaller numbers.) There were also generally similar designs including what Nehrich referred to as the "Bettendorf" SS boxcar similar to the CN design modeled by the Accurail SS boxcar, and the "Howe Truss" version of the 1923 ARA standard design similar to the Walthers/Train-Miniature SS boxcar. Unfortunately for maufacturers, the devil is in the details. Many variations exist for IH, ends, roofs, and underframes for these prototypes, making ROI on injection molded tooling problematic.


"As I go about adding appropriate Santa Fe box cars to my fleet it appears that single-sheathed Santa Fe box cars are not too common."

The numbers bear this out - ~7500 Bx-11/12/13, the 10 Bx-22 from the C&OW, and 300 Bx-38 War Emergency Boxcars.


Ben Hom

Re: Pac Ltd USRA boxcar: decal help

Bob McCarthy
 

Good morning!

      If the CDS dry transfer is not available, try Jerry Glow.  He has produced G scale decals recently.  He lately has the correct goat artwork already and most of the lettering in the image you sent.

Bob McCarthy


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From: Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Pac Ltd USRA boxcar: decal help


 
CDS transfers had lettering for the GN USRA double wood sheath car in O scale. It is their set no. 325. Look for it for instance at:

http://www.canadasouthern.com/tmr/images/cds-325.jpg

Staffan Ehnbom

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From: cereshill
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 2:39 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Pac Ltd USRA boxcar: decal help

Gents,
I am going to paint the above car in GN, would be grateful for advice on where to get the correct decals.

Thank you and Merry Christmas,

Brad Andonian

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Re: Pac Ltd USRA boxcar: decal help

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

CDS transfers had lettering for the GN USRA double wood sheath car in O scale. It is their set no. 325. Look for it for instance at:

http://www.canadasouthern.com/tmr/images/cds-325.jpg

Staffan Ehnbom

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From: cereshill
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 2:39 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Pac Ltd USRA boxcar: decal help



Gents,
I am going to paint the above car in GN, would be grateful for advice on where to get the correct decals.

Thank you and Merry Christmas,

Brad Andonian

Re: Shorpy and the A.T.&S.F

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Richard and Mike,
Thanks for your responses about the Santa Fe yard photo. When looking at any photo or film footage of a group of freight cars one of the things I notice is - for want of a better term - texture.

In general, up to about 1910 all box cars were double-sheathed wood. (I know. All generalizations are false including . . . etc.) Between about 1910 and 1945 some box cars were single-sheathed while, from the early 1930s more and more box cars were double-sheathed steel.

The proportion of each of the three general types is one factor that will contribute to the presence or absence of an accurate "look" to my freight car fleet.

My general impression is that in HO single-sheathed models available in somewhat less variety than they ought to be. My impression could be influenced by my preference for single-sheathed box cars. The perceived lack could be the result of what I suspect is the somewhat more difficult manufacturing process for single-sheathed box cars.

As I go about adding appropriate Santa Fe box cars to my fleet it appears that single-sheathed Santa Fe box cars are not too common.

Gene Green

Re: Some steam era freight car images

Greg Martin
 

Don't you just love th way those Rock Island car bend and not break?

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 12/23/2012 6:23:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
claus@... writes:




Hi List members,

I came across these nice images:

T&P steel boxcar
_http://www.rits.org/www/histories/speakewrecks/bowie5031one.JPG_
(http://www.rits.org/www/histories/speakewrecks/bowie5031one.JPG)

SHPX tank car
_http://www.rits.org/www/histories/speakewrecks/stoneburg1.JPG_
(http://www.rits.org/www/histories/speakewrecks/stoneburg1.JPG)

RI composite gon
_http://www.rits.org/www/structures/bowietowerfire/tower3fire.JPG_
(http://www.rits.org/www/structures/bowietowerfire/tower3fire.JPG)

Enjoy!

- Claus Schlund







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Re: Shorpy and the A.T.&S.F

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 22, 2012, at 5:55 AM, Gene <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

There are fewer single-sheathed box cars than I would have expected. Since the majority of box cars appear to be Santa Fe, to the extent that such a determination can be made, what does that say about the Santa Fe box car fleet?
Gene, It simply isn't possible to make generalizations about the car fleet of a large railroad on the basis of one photo.

Did the Santa Fe have fewer single-sheathed box car series?
Fewer than what? The Santa Fe had a smaller proportion of single sheathed box cars than, say, the Burlington or the Rock Island because the box and auto cars they acquired in the 1920s were mostly double wood sheathed cars (classes Bx-3, Bx-6, Bx-8, Bx-9, Bx-10, Fe-P, Fe-Q, Fe-R, and Fe-S). Their only single sheathed cars were built 1929-31 (classes Bx-11, Bx-12, Bx-13, and Fe-U) and were followed in 1936 by the first of a very large number of steel cars.

Had the Santa Fe replaced most of their single-sheathed box cars with all-steel, double-sheathed cars by the time of the photo?
No.

Richard Hendrickson

Re: Latest craftsman

Mark
 

Thank You, Ted!!!

I was reading all of these messages and reading Focus on Frt Cars Volume One. Thanked my wife, Diane, for letting me buy your publications.

Just finished a Sunshine duryea unfrm for a B&O boxcar. Next the appliances(brake) then the body detail and primer. Archer rivets and final coat!

Next project the M55B! Have found the pieces!

Sincerely, Mark Morgan

PS Merry Christmas

Re: dimensional data for C&O 44000-series gondolas

al_brown03
 

The 1/53 ORER gives the following dimensions for C&O 44000-44999:
inside length 40'6", width 9'6", height 5'2";
outside length 41'6", width 10'4", height to top of sides 8'7", extreme height 9'8" (they had heap shields);
cubic capacity 1980 cu ft.

The builder's photo of C&O 44572 (TS CYC 5 p 225, reprinted from the '40 CBC) is stencilled only with IL, IW, and CUFT of the above.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "rboxfan" <rboxfan@...> wrote:

What are the dimensions (IL, IW, IH, EL, EW, EH, CUFT) for the C&O 44000-series gondolas? I believe that this was the prototype for the MDC/Athearn gondola, and I want to make my dad's private roadname gondolas as plausible as possible.

Thanks,

Matthew J. Moellendorf
Sturgeon Bay, WI

Re: The Return of Ted Culotta

Tim O'Connor
 

Ted's been at the Springfield show every January as far as I've
noticed. But I'm really glad to hear he's getting back into the fray.

Tim O'

Ted Culotta says:

"I'm not dead yet!"

A very good sign....particularly if you are Ted Culotta.

"My first article in awhile is in the hands of RMC with more coming and I am
looking at resuscitating some of the publishing projects. I also have a few
new kit and decals efforts, too, plus restocks on old stuff in the near
future (I do still have a few stray obligations on old kits and yes I know
who all of you are.)"

To make your resurrection really complete, show up at Prototype Rails...just
like the good ol' days.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss

Some steam era freight car images

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

dimensional data for C&O 44000-series gondolas

Matthew J. Moellendorf
 

What are the dimensions (IL, IW, IH, EL, EW, EH, CUFT) for the C&O 44000-series gondolas? I believe that this was the prototype for the MDC/Athearn gondola, and I want to make my dad's private roadname gondolas as plausible as possible.

Thanks,

Matthew J. Moellendorf
Sturgeon Bay, WI

The Return of Ted Culotta

Mikebrock
 

Ted Culotta says:

"I'm not dead yet!"

A very good sign....particularly if you are Ted Culotta.

"My first article in awhile is in the hands of RMC with more coming and I am
looking at resuscitating some of the publishing projects. I also have a few
new kit and decals efforts, too, plus restocks on old stuff in the near
future (I do still have a few stray obligations on old kits and yes I know
who all of you are.)"

To make your resurrection really complete, show up at Prototype Rails...just
like the good ol' days.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss

Pac Ltd USRA boxcar: decal help

Brad Andonian
 

Gents,
I am going to paint the above car in GN, would be grateful for advice on where to get the correct decals.

Thank you and Merry Christmas,

Brad Andonian

Re: Latest craftsman

Germain Golembowski <golembo@...>
 

Hi Ted:

I'm looking forward to your next book and hope you will sign it and meet me at Peppi's Pizza so we can split a pie as you did when your first book got published....

Happy Holidays old Friend
G A "Jerry" Golembowski

----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Culotta<mailto:speedwitchmedia@...>
To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:33 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Latest craftsman



I'm not dead yet! My first article in awhile is in the hands of RMC with more coming and I am looking at resuscitating some of the publishing projects. I also have a few new kit and decals efforts, too, plus restocks on old stuff in the near future (I do still have a few stray obligations on old kits and yes I know who all of you are.)

Cheers,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch #k106 CB&Q/FW&D/C&S XM-25/26 SS boxcar question #k106

Bill Welch
 

Comrades

I am working on the Speedwitch kit of the XM 25/26. One side will be
from the C&S 13500-13999 series and the other side from the FW&D
7201-7700 series. The prototype photos included show C&S 13781
(1-1965) and FW&D 7415 (10-1953) with gussets at the top where the
vertical and diagonal braces meet while FW&D 7234 (10-1953) does not
have the gussets. Curious if anyone knows at what point these gussets
began to be applied?

For those contemplating building #106, in dry fitting the doors with
a horizontal brace it appears to me the door is too tall when
compared to the photos. I dealt with this by removing part of the
door track--the portion with the rivets but not the flange--which
does not appear in the photos. I left the door hangers as is except I
re-leaved the backside so the door would nestle up against the roof
nicely. This leaves the doors sitting about 3-inches higher while
also rendering a more accurate door tract IMO.

Bill Welch

Re: Latest craftsman

O Fenton Wells
 

Allen, I'm working on it and Ted's postwwar kits really fill that bill as
well.
Fenton Wells

On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Allen Cain <allencain@...> wrote:

**


Ted,

Best Christmas present, so far, was to hear that you are back!

Now we need more SOUTHERN transition era stuff for the stockings!

Allen Cain

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Fenton Wells
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