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Delano photograph of LCL house in Chicago

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I am sure that many of you know the photograph I'm referring to. I cannot
find it on line. Can any one of you provide a pointer to the photo. I think
it is a LofC photo, but could not find it tonight.





Thanks





Schuyler


Re: seaboard boxcar

Steve Lucas <midrly@...>
 

Excellent blog post by Tony on modifying this car to a Seaboard model. I'll have to print it off--there is a "peacetime" use for this model that I bought in a fit of ignorance. As for Atlas decorating this thing up as a CN/GTW 1936 rebuild I might be less charitable than Ben Hom has been in describing it.

Steve Lucas.

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Re: Atlas HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@..., "spsalso" wrote:

It appears that, if one accepts the shallow side sill modeling, that the ACL and someday-to-be-produced Frisco cars ARE credible models of the prototype. Or am I missing something else.


Ed

Edward Sutorik
Unless they've changed the rectangular panel roof, there is something weird about the way the panels come all the way to the edge of the roof.

Dennis


Re: Steam Era Flat Cars: o scale

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 3, 2013, at 5:37 PM, proto48er <atkott@...> wrote:

Larry -

I think that Pat obtained the drawings from one of those CBC's, so it is actually a model of the NC&StL car. However, I recall that someone (Richard Hendrickson?) did an article in the model RR press about the NC&StL cars, and that there were two series of them on the NC&StL differing in brake equipment or something? SP&S also had similar cars.

A.T. Kott
All true, A. T., and the other RR that had cars built to the same design was the Florida East Coast. Also, the Texas & Pacific had some flat cars that were dry close. Those cars have been modeled in several scales in numbers out of all proportion to their importance because there is a splendid set of drawings of one series of NC&StL cars in the 1928 ands 1931 CBCycs.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Steam Era Flat Cars: o scale

proto48er
 

Guys -

I am replying to my own email to add more info on the Pacific Limited 53'-6" flatcars!

Pat had Wo Sung (WBM) make (300) total flatcars in this series. Richard Hendrickson helped him with some of the prototype information. They were distributed and boxed as follows:

(55) were the NP version which followed the AAR standard, except that the AB brake layout was different;

(50) were the UP version (F-50-11) which was the basis of the AAR design;

(35) were the C&O version which differed from the AAR design in having no poling pockets on the end sills; and,

(80) were the NKP version, also correct for D&RGW #22000-22199 (BLT 1944), ACL #77000-77471 (BLT 1943), SOO #5201-5399 (BLT 1941), C&NW #45601-46599 (BLT 1942 & 1944), EJ&E #6375-6574 (BLT 1943), MONON #7000-7059 (BLT 1941), and similar cars L&N #21000-21399 (BLT 1943 & 1947), CLINCH #10100-10149 (BLT 1946), and IT #1100-1149 (BLT 1945).

Note that the above only totals (220) cars. Pat held the last (80) cars back (all were of the NKP version), intending to make them into TOFC cars. However, he had trouble selling all the above (220) cars, so he never made the TOFC cars, selling (30) of them as flatcars in boxes with different labels (D&RGW,, ACL, etc.) as above. The cars did not sell well, and Pat finally "bulk sold" the last (50) cars to John Clemens.

Flatcars generally do not sell well in "O" scale for some reason.

At some point, Overland Models also imported a more modern flatcar - I do not have any info on it.

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., "proto48er" wrote:

Guys -

I can add a couple of O scale flatcars that might not have been mentioned.

First, here are the Pacific Limited cars, each a little different from the others:

PL #1000 NC&StL/SPS flatcar;
PL #2700 ACL 53'-6" flatcar;
PL #3150 UP 53'-6" flatcar;
PL #3200 NKP 53'-6" flatcar;
PL #3400 NP 53'-6" flatcar (if you remove the poling pockets, it becomes an I-GN car); and,
PL #3500 C&O 53'-6" flatcar.

Precision Scale Co. made (makes?) a brass and wood kit, PSC #9045, which makes a WP 41' standard gauge flatcar.

Westside imported an SP class F-200-1 16-wheel flatcar - very nice brass model.

Max Gray imported an approximate model of an NYC 16-wheel flatcar of different length from the Westside model (MG #116) - needs work!

Car Works imported very nice brass models of the PRR FM flatcars. With a lot of work, one could "kitbash" one of these FM's and a Hallmark Gra into a PRR Fgra flatcar and a PRR Gr gon!

Happy New Year!

A.T. Kott


Re: update to Richard Hendrickson's truck handout

Benjamin Hom
 

Al Brown asked:
"Ben, are you using Tichy's equalized Andrews trucks (one pair, #3012; ten pair,

#3016) or their rigid ones (one pair, #3026; ten pair, #3027)? If equalized, I
agree: I can't get them to hold together. Haven't had a problem with the rigid
ones."

The equalized trucks.  I couldn't get the rigid trucks in bulk ten years ago,
and bought 30 pair of the equalized trucks to take care of what I needed back
then.


Ben Hom


Re: update to Richard Hendrickson's truck handout

al_brown03
 

Ben, are you using Tichy's equalized Andrews trucks (one pair, #3012; ten pair, #3016) or their rigid ones (one pair, #3026; ten pair, #3027)? If equalized, I agree: I can't get them to hold together. Haven't had a problem with the rigid ones.

Tichy also have equalized and rigid "Bettendorf" trucks: same deal.

I would note also that Tichy make two archbar trucks: "standard" (#3002; look like 30-40 ton) and "heavy duty" (#3022; 100 ton).

Great handout, Richard!

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" wrote:






Rob Kirkham asked:
"I noticed the Tichy Andrews and two types of arch bar trucks were
not named. Wonder if that is because they don't cut it as models, or
maybe they are something that could be added to the next update down
the road?"

Richard Hendrickson replied:
"Not listing the Tichy Andrews and Arch Bar trucks was a judgment
call on my part, as better detailed trucks of those types are
available (e.g. Tahoe, Kadee, Intermountain). However, though it
lacks brake shoe detail, the Tichy Andrews truck is otherwise quite
nice."

I bought a large number of Tichy Andrews trucks a decade ago to use
for models requiring that truck; they're still nice looking trucks,
but over 10 years of use, the press-fit between the bolster and
sideframes have a tendency to come apart. I now replace them with
other Andrews trucks as required.


Ben Hom


Re: seaboard boxcar

golden1014
 

Tom,

Tony's article in his blog is excellent. FYI, we did an exhaustive article in The Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler in 2009 that covered the prototype SAL cars and modeling using both the Atlas and Sunshine models. That article is in Vol 3, No. 1, 1st Quarter 2009 edition (we call that issue "SCLM #7").

The Atlas cars are around--just have to look hard. You might also try the HOInterchange list on Yahoo Groups. I've found a ton of hard-to-get items there.

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL

--- In STMFC@..., "tomedill@..." wrote:

would like to build a model of Seaboard boxcar using an Atlas 1932 body style 2 kit, part #20 000 171 if anyone has one for sale or possible trade. thanks, Tom Dill


Re: Steam Era Flat Cars: o scale

proto48er
 

Larry -

I think that Pat obtained the drawings from one of those CBC's, so it is actually a model of the NC&StL car. However, I recall that someone (Richard Hendrickson?) did an article in the model RR press about the NC&StL cars, and that there were two series of them on the NC&StL differing in brake equipment or something? SP&S also had similar cars.

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., "LarryK" wrote:

A.T.,

What is the prototype for PL #1000 NC&StL/SPS flatcar? Is it the NC&StL fishbelly center sill flatcar that was in the 1928, 1931 and 1937 CBCys or another flatcar?

Larry Kline


Re: Lehigh Valley Drop Side LCL Gondolas

Rich Yoder
 

Not True!
I Also heard that rumor this past summer but Have communicated with him since.
Rich Yoder

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To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Lehigh Valley Drop Side LCL Gondolas

I think Keith passed away, I can't confirm that but that's what I heard.


Todd Horton


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I understand that the Standard Steel Car Company (SSCC) photo archives were
in the collection of Keith Retterer of Marietta, GA. Does anyone know him
or how I can get in touch with him. Thanks.

Chuck Davis

Norfolk, VA

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Re: Atlas HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Ed Sutorik wrote:
"It appears that, if one accepts the shallow side sill modeling, that
the ACL and someday-to-be-produced Frisco cars ARE credible models of
the prototype. Or am I missing something else."

The problem with the side sill is more than its shallow profile - both prototypes also had distinctive brackets joining the underframe to the sides that the Atlas car fails to model accurately. Also as pointed out earlier, depending on the car modeled (and the model used), the great majority of these cars had side grabs instead of ladders. The door details also leave something to be desired.

The bottom line: should you pay $35 for this model?


Ben Hom


Re: update to Richard Hendrickson's truck handout

Benjamin Hom
 

Rob Kirkham asked:
"I noticed the Tichy Andrews and two types of arch bar trucks were
not named. Wonder if that is because they don't cut it as models, or
maybe they are something that could be added to the next update down
the road?"

Richard Hendrickson replied:
"Not listing the Tichy Andrews and Arch Bar trucks was a judgment
call on my part, as better detailed trucks of those types are
available (e.g. Tahoe, Kadee, Intermountain). However, though it
lacks brake shoe detail, the Tichy Andrews truck is otherwise quite
nice."

I bought a large number of Tichy Andrews trucks a decade ago to use
for models requiring that truck; they're still nice looking trucks,
but over 10 years of use, the press-fit between the bolster and
sideframes have a tendency to come apart. I now replace them with
other Andrews trucks as required.


Ben Hom


Re: Atlas HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars

spsalso
 

It appears that, if one accepts the shallow side sill modeling, that the ACL and someday-to-be-produced Frisco cars ARE credible models of the prototype. Or am I missing something else.


Ed

Edward Sutorik

--- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom wrote:

Ed Sutorik wrote:
"Volume 24 of the RP Cyc has an article on these cars. I believe from
information

therein, that ONLY cars from ACL, C&WC, DT&I, EJ&E, and Frisco MIGHT be modeled
by the Atlas cars."

Ed, go back and review the article again.  The DT&I cars have unique Cambre
roofs that are nowhere near that offered on ANY of the Atlas cars; the EJ&E cars
have Murphy rectangular panel roofs.  NONE of these prototypes can be modeled by
any of the Atlas models out of the box.


Ben Hom


Re: Lehigh Valley Drop Side LCL Gondolas

Todd Horton
 

I think Keith passed away, I can't confirm that but that's what I heard.


Todd Horton


________________________________
From: Layout Tour <mylvrr@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 4:37 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Lehigh Valley Drop Side LCL Gondolas


 

I understand that the Standard Steel Car Company (SSCC) photo archives were
in the collection of Keith Retterer of Marietta, GA. Does anyone know him
or how I can get in touch with him. Thanks.

Chuck Davis

Norfolk, VA


Re: Atlas HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Ed Sutorik wrote:
"Volume 24 of the RP Cyc has an article on these cars. I believe from
information

therein, that ONLY cars from ACL, C&WC, DT&I, EJ&E, and Frisco MIGHT be modeled
by the Atlas cars."

Ed, go back and review the article again.  The DT&I cars have unique Cambre
roofs that are nowhere near that offered on ANY of the Atlas cars; the EJ&E cars
have Murphy rectangular panel roofs.  NONE of these prototypes can be modeled by
any of the Atlas models out of the box.


Ben Hom


Re: update to Richard Hendrickson's truck handout

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
I noticed the Tichy Andrews and two types of arch bar trucks were not named.
Wonder if that is because they don't cut it as models, or maybe they are
something that could be added to the next update down the road?
Not listing the Tichy Andrews and Arch Bar trucks was a judgment call on my part, as better detailed trucks of those types are available (e.g. Tahoe, Kadee, Intermountain). However, though it lacks brake shoe detail, the Tichy Andrews truck is otherwise quite nice. And I overlooked the fact that Tichy's arch bar truck is actually a 100 ton arch bar, which no one else makes in HO. So yes, I'll add them the next time I do a revision. Thanks.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Atlas HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars

spsalso
 

But wait, there's more. This announcement is the same as one from April 3, 2012. So, if you ordered cars back then, cease and desist ordering again.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Atlas HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars

spsalso
 

Volume 24 of the RP Cyc has an article on these cars. I believe from information therein, that ONLY cars from ACL, C&WC, DT&I, EJ&E, and Frisco MIGHT be modeled by the Atlas cars.

All others need not apply.



Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Atlas HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Ed Sutorik wrote:
"Page 77 of RP Cyc 24 shows a rebuilt ACL car with ladders. And that little
stripey dotty strip (the correct technical description) on the bottom of the
sides. It's dated 1959."

Unfortunately, it's the only photo of these cars showing ladders instead of
grabs in RP Cyc 24.  And it doesn't "magic" away the crappy side sill on the
Atlas model.


Ben Hom


Re: Atlas HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Even more ridiculous is that Atlas makes a version that uses grabs instead of
ladders."

That's one less thing to fix if you're doing the ACL/C&WC or SL-SF cars, but you
still need to fix the poorly rendered side sill.
 

"But I agree with you, it's basically the Tichy USRA tank car. Except that car
was actually an incredibly well designed model, and it was cheaper, and it
actually did represent something real -- a drawing. Ferrohermaphroditic,
indeed."

The Atlas "USRA rebuilds" are less the Tichy USRA tank car and far more like the
Athearn 50 ft gon - models that at first glance look like they fit many
prototypes, but in the end really match nothing.


Ben Hom