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O Scale West 2013 / S West 8 In One Week

Rod Miller
 

[infomercial]

The Subject O and S scale meet, featuring many scale items
including SP equipment and steam era freight cars, is coming
up next weekend. The LDSIG/OPS annual meet starts on
Saturday, so if you are available Friday and interested in O
and S scale trains, drop by.

This will be the 23rd and 8th consecutive annual meet
for O Scale West and S West.

The meet is at the Hyatt Regency Santa Clara in Santa
Clara, CA. Registration opens Thursday at 3PM; there are
not your normal commercial RR movies that night. Registration
Friday starts at 8AM; the doors open at 9AM. Registration
before Saturday will cost you $30 for you, your spouse/SO,
and all children related or not under 18 YO; $20 on
Saturday the last day of the meet.

There will be about 200 tables of O and S scale goodies,
4 on-site layouts, about 10 clinics some by prominent members
of these groups, a favorite model contest that usually draws
some very nice models, and 30 home and club layouts open for
DIY visiting during the meet. More info is on the web site,
link to the right below.

Thanks

Rod
--

Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West
Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2013 Meet is Jan 24-26
http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com


Re: Model armor and model aircraft web sites with building BLOGS and reviews

jerryglow2
 

If you're not familiar with Tony Thompson's blog <http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/> you should be. Not all projects are SP

Jerry

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" wrote:

I will chime in as Rob Adams is in Asia for two weeks. Rob has taken over the Steam Era Freight Car website founded by Ted Culotta several years ago. I have to believe what you are talking about, Marty and Charlie, would be right at home with what Rob envisions doing as he re-envisions the site. The rest of us, including myself need to be thinking about what model photos we want to send Rob.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Marty" wrote:



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie D" wrote:
Maybe the population of modelers in our side of the hobby doesn't justify these types of sites but thought I'd toss it out for discussion.

Charlie Duckworth
Charlie, and all:
I'd be willing to coordinate a blog dedicated to detailed modeling of steam era rolling stock. Not sure how the mechanics would work, but if you're interested in discussing it please email me off list at mjmcguirkATcomcastDOTnet
Marty


Re: Model armor and model aircraft web sites with building BLOGS and reviews

Bill Welch
 

I will chime in as Rob Adams is in Asia for two weeks. Rob has taken over the Steam Era Freight Car website founded by Ted Culotta several years ago. I have to believe what you are talking about, Marty and Charlie, would be right at home with what Rob envisions doing as he re-envisions the site. The rest of us, including myself need to be thinking about what model photos we want to send Rob.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Marty" wrote:



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie D" wrote:
Maybe the population of modelers in our side of the hobby doesn't justify these types of sites but thought I'd toss it out for discussion.

Charlie Duckworth
Charlie, and all:
I'd be willing to coordinate a blog dedicated to detailed modeling of steam era rolling stock. Not sure how the mechanics would work, but if you're interested in discussing it please email me off list at mjmcguirkATcomcastDOTnet
Marty


Re: Prototype Rails 2013 trip report

arved_grass
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Aley, Jeff A" wrote:
Lowlights:
...
- Attendance was only 247; I was hoping for 250-275.
Yet, the Hotel sold out of rooms at the special rate. They tried very hard to sell me a room at $165 a night. If I couldn't have found a less expensive hotel, that would have meant driving home Saturday night, missing the banquet and evening presentations. Expedia to the rescue! With "only" a 3-4 hour drive home, that last night stay is tough to justify to the Cheif Financial Officer.

- Hotel food is S... L... O... W... Not bad tasting, but slow. On the other hand, there are many other dining options, including Sonny's BBQ, Roberto's Little Havana, and the Lobster Shanty.
Ugh. Agreed. Even the morning breakfast buffett. I thought waiting to pay your bill was supposed to be a Russian thing.

- I only got a cookie on Thursday night :( It's silly how much I looked forward to a $0.65 chocoloate-chip cookie.
I heard rumors of cookies. I also heard a lot of people wishing there were sugar free cookies, also. I didn't see either, but REALLY appreciated the free coffee. It was surprisingly good.

I also wanted to "put a shout out" to all the other modelers that brought models to display. It would be nice if more had "in process" models. I was a little self-conscious, but this was also the first time I've paraded my work like that.

Everyone I spoke to was very encouraging and supportive. What a terrific environment to immerse yourself in for 3 days!

Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida


Re: Model armor and model aircraft web sites with building BLOGS and reviews

Marty McGuirk
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie D" wrote:
Maybe the population of modelers in our side of the hobby doesn't justify these types of sites but thought I'd toss it out for discussion.

Charlie Duckworth
Charlie, and all:
I'd be willing to coordinate a blog dedicated to detailed modeling of steam era rolling stock. Not sure how the mechanics would work, but if you're interested in discussing it please email me off list at mjmcguirkATcomcastDOTnet
Marty


Re: HO scale model guide for 1920s era freight cars

Eric Hiser <ehiser@...>
 

Eric:
Thanks for the resources on 1920s cars. Much appreciated by this
1920s modeler!
Eric Hiser
Phoenix


Re: Establishing Tank car top and bottom locations

Jared Harper
 

Micro-Mark's is not exactly like the one I have. The one I have is like a machinist's square with a thumb screw adjustment so you can run the ruler in and out depending on the diameter of the cylinder. However, Micro-Mark's will do the same job.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, va661midlo@... wrote:

Jared,

Is this the same thing as a Center Square advertised in Micro-Mark's latest catalog on page 17 (items # 82285 and 82280 )?

Ken Montero

----- Original Message -----
From: "JaredH"
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:13:25 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Establishing Tank car top and bottom locations






You can do this more easily using a center finder. It has an angle that sits on top of the cylinder with a straight edge that goes down across the cylinder and bisects it so you can mark the center top and bottom.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com , Andy Carlson wrote:

Bill Welch mentioned the importance of establishing lines for the tops and
bottoms of the tanks during the construction of our tank cars. While machinists
have great tools for this purpose, there are alternative ways to get good
results. Here is one which I use:

On a level surface (such as a pane of glass) support the tank cylinder securely,
enough that the tank won't roll around. I use two steam engine cylinder
castings, but modeling clay will work well too. With a machinist's square, mark
the top location where the top of the tank is tangent to the horizontal. Repeat
by marking the tank at the point of tangentcy at the lower location. Duplicate
these actions on the opposite end of the tank, as well.

You now have 2 marks on each end of the cylinder for a total of 4. Draw a
longitudinal line joining the top two marks, and then the bottom two marks. The
tank cylinder need not be exactly horizontal to the working surface, as long as
the cylinder can't move, the technique will establish two lines 180 degrees
apart. Any error from eyeballing the marks should not be consequential if effort
is made to closely mark the top point of tangentcy.


-Andy Carlson
Ojai Ca


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Re: Establishing Tank car top and bottom locations

Jared Harper
 

Micro-Mark's is not exactly like the one I have. The one I have is like a machinist's square with a thumb screw adjustment so you can run the ruler in and out depending on the diameter of the cylinder. However, Micro-Mark's will do the same job.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, va661midlo@... wrote:

Jared,

Is this the same thing as a Center Square advertised in Micro-Mark's latest catalog on page 17 (items # 82285 and 82280 )?

Ken Montero

----- Original Message -----
From: "JaredH"
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:13:25 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Establishing Tank car top and bottom locations






You can do this more easily using a center finder. It has an angle that sits on top of the cylinder with a straight edge that goes down across the cylinder and bisects it so you can mark the center top and bottom.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com , Andy Carlson wrote:

Bill Welch mentioned the importance of establishing lines for the tops and
bottoms of the tanks during the construction of our tank cars. While machinists
have great tools for this purpose, there are alternative ways to get good
results. Here is one which I use:

On a level surface (such as a pane of glass) support the tank cylinder securely,
enough that the tank won't roll around. I use two steam engine cylinder
castings, but modeling clay will work well too. With a machinist's square, mark
the top location where the top of the tank is tangent to the horizontal. Repeat
by marking the tank at the point of tangentcy at the lower location. Duplicate
these actions on the opposite end of the tank, as well.

You now have 2 marks on each end of the cylinder for a total of 4. Draw a
longitudinal line joining the top two marks, and then the bottom two marks. The
tank cylinder need not be exactly horizontal to the working surface, as long as
the cylinder can't move, the technique will establish two lines 180 degrees
apart. Any error from eyeballing the marks should not be consequential if effort
is made to closely mark the top point of tangentcy.


-Andy Carlson
Ojai Ca


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SP&SRHS Swap Meet January 19, 2013

bcbarneyor
 

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AT
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CONFERENCE CENTER
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JANUARY 19, 2013
9:30 AM TO 2:30 PM
$5 ADMISSION

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DIRECTIONS:
I-205 to "Columbia Blvd/US 30 Bypass – West" exit #23B
Keep right and merge on to NE Columbia Blvd (go underneath UPRR Tracks)
Go about ½ mile, hotel on right (Convention Center is east of hotel)
Free Parking!!! Free Parking!!! Free Parking!!!

See you there,
Bruce Barney


Re: Establishing Tank car top and bottom locations

Kenneth Montero
 

Jared,

Is this the same thing as a Center Square advertised in Micro-Mark's latest catalog on page 17 (items # 82285 and 82280 )?

Ken Montero

----- Original Message -----
From: "JaredH" <harperandbrown@gmail.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:13:25 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Establishing Tank car top and bottom locations






You can do this more easily using a center finder. It has an angle that sits on top of the cylinder with a straight edge that goes down across the cylinder and bisects it so you can mark the center top and bottom.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com , Andy Carlson wrote:

Bill Welch mentioned the importance of establishing lines for the tops and
bottoms of the tanks during the construction of our tank cars. While machinists
have great tools for this purpose, there are alternative ways to get good
results. Here is one which I use:

On a level surface (such as a pane of glass) support the tank cylinder securely,
enough that the tank won't roll around. I use two steam engine cylinder
castings, but modeling clay will work well too. With a machinist's square, mark
the top location where the top of the tank is tangent to the horizontal. Repeat
by marking the tank at the point of tangentcy at the lower location. Duplicate
these actions on the opposite end of the tank, as well.

You now have 2 marks on each end of the cylinder for a total of 4. Draw a
longitudinal line joining the top two marks, and then the bottom two marks. The
tank cylinder need not be exactly horizontal to the working surface, as long as
the cylinder can't move, the technique will establish two lines 180 degrees
apart. Any error from eyeballing the marks should not be consequential if effort
is made to closely mark the top point of tangentcy.


-Andy Carlson
Ojai Ca


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Re: Prototype Rails 2013

Earl Tuson
 

"Suggest you pony up for some roller skates for Jeff Aley; he was everywhere!"

In deference to all of our advancing ages, may I suggest a Segway. Don't need another fall and injury.
How time has flown. I can recall when there was wondering over who was the youngest around here. Back then, it was
between Aley, Hom, and I, but I guess we're getting to be old men now, too.

Jeff, you infirm?

Damn, I turn 40 in a week and a half.

Earl Tuson
Not with the hair I used to have.

(Steam era freight cars... uh... they're here somewhere...)


Re: NWX 12204 and 12202

Benjamin Hom
 

Charles Hostetler wrote:
"I'm still trying to learn when a single ORER line item represents a
set of identical cars and when it represents a jumbled up group of sort-
of-alike cars."

There are two obvious indicators:
- The series is annotated with "NOTE [LETTER]", referring the user to the notes section listed at the end of that owners' listing. This is often used to identify indvidual cars with in a series with special equipment, in special service, or cars differing from the rest of the series in one way or another.

- Additionally, the car series may listed with two or more lines showing cars with differing dimensions with quantities for each line. For example, the equipment trust that the Frisco financed their USRA DS boxcars with required replacement of wrecked cars; as a result, the same number series contained original DS boxcar, boxcars rebuilt into steel cars, prewar 1937 AAR boxcars, and even a few old sawtooth Fowler SS boxcars. The listing for that number series has a separate line for each type of car.


Ben Hom


Re: Sunshine at Timmonium ?

Ryan Reed
 

Speaking of Sunshine, and I may be way behind the curve here, but does anyone know if the round 1 elimination kits are still available?

Ryan Reed


Re: NWX 12204 and 12202

Charles Hostetler <cesicjh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
I'm not sure what you're asking here, Charles.
It was a rather vague question at that, and I apologize for not having thought it clearly through. What I was really trying to get at was whether the Oscar Mayer cars were identical to the other 1953 Renton rebuilds or were they some other (similar) car grafted onto the series? To my (inexperienced) eye they look the the same, just painted (and operated) differently, but I was seeking confirmation.

I'm still trying to learn when a single ORER line item represents a set of identical cars and when it represents a jumbled up group of sort-of-alike cars.

Thanks for helping me get this clearer in my head!

Charles Hostetler


Re: NWX 12204 and 12202

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 17, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Charles Hostetler <cesicjh@pocketinet.com> wrote:

.My tentative conclusion is that at least a couple of the Renton rebuilds were leased to Oscar Mayer in the mid to late 1950s, and that not all of the 276 were painted in the classic green and yellow scheme. I had never really thought about NWX in the 1950s as a car lessor, and I was hoping that someone on the group might have some information as to whether this was reasonable.
I'm not sure what you're asking here, Charles. The photographic evidence establishes that NWX did lease reefers to Oscar Mayer in the 1950s (I also have a photo of freshly painted NWX 6834, reweighed 6-57 with yellow sides and Oscar Mayer logos). In addition, the 1950s ORERs show some NWX cars on long term lease to shippers under the shippers' own reporting marks. So the statement that North Western Refrigerator Line leased cars to shippers in the 1950s is correct. Does that make it "reasonable"?

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: Prototype Rails 2013

Aley, Jeff A
 

Jim (and other presenters from PR'13),

I did not only list the presenters that I liked; I listed the ones whose clinics I actually attended. There are many other presenters that I like, and I wish that I had the time to hear, but...

Last year I did a better job of telling folks to silence their cell phones. I'll try to do better next year, and I intend to have a single powerpoint page that the presenters can include that asks folks to silence their phones.

Regards,

-Jeff


From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of np328
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 4:51 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototype Rails 2013



Mike - an excellent job. And a Very Well Done event.
I have chaired a couple of conventions and as someone who chaired prior to me told me: You get to choose all the presenters you have ever wanted to present and yet manage to see none of them.
Mike - Take credit for the extremely nice weather, and please order it up for next year. That from both me and my wife.
I did not get a cookie however I and my wife missed the beanie baby craze so perhaps missing cookies are not a bad thing. As far as a rush from the ballroom to the cookie table - missed it however to conjure up a vision of it I believe could cause nightmares.
Jeff listed presenters he liked and I am quite happy to make that list. Jeff helped me when my computer went into microsoft limbo-land just prior to the first presentation. Thank you Jeff. Jeff does not need roller skates, no - he needs a Star Trek transporter device.
I very much like this event and placing names with faces. Like Bill Welch, this could be fifth or sixth time.

My only only concern was the number of cell phone devices that went off during presentations. I cannot recall the last time I have heard so many. Perhaps some - Silence cell phone device beyond this point, signs would be good. Of course the people who do listen do not need to be told and those that do not listen never will.

Mike, Jeff - I and my wife are already looking forward to next year.
Jim Dick

-- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Mike Brock" wrote: Now that the thirteenth consecutive Prototype Rails [ The Bash on the Beach ] is history and since I have recovered about 50% of what faculties I
still have remaining, I would like to thank the many members of the STMFC that attended and particularly those that made presentations. Such meets as Prototype Rails are very dependent on presenters, attendees, and I should add, the many manufacturers and vendors that attend.
I would like to note that the average high temperature during the meet was 80°. In recent years I have been blamed for temps somewhat lower than 80. I am, therefore, taking full credit for the extremely nice weather. Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss



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Re: Prototype Rails 2013

np328
 

Mike - an excellent job. And a Very Well Done event.
I have chaired a couple of conventions and as someone who chaired prior to me told me: You get to choose all the presenters you have ever wanted to present and yet manage to see none of them.
Mike - Take credit for the extremely nice weather, and please order it up for next year. That from both me and my wife.
I did not get a cookie however I and my wife missed the beanie baby craze so perhaps missing cookies are not a bad thing. As far as a rush from the ballroom to the cookie table - missed it however to conjure up a vision of it I believe could cause nightmares.
Jeff listed presenters he liked and I am quite happy to make that list. Jeff helped me when my computer went into microsoft limbo-land just prior to the first presentation. Thank you Jeff. Jeff does not need roller skates, no - he needs a Star Trek transporter device.
I very much like this event and placing names with faces. Like Bill Welch, this could be fifth or sixth time.

My only only concern was the number of cell phone devices that went off during presentations. I cannot recall the last time I have heard so many. Perhaps some - Silence cell phone device beyond this point, signs would be good. Of course the people who do listen do not need to be told and those that do not listen never will.

Mike, Jeff - I and my wife are already looking forward to next year.
Jim Dick

-- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Brock" wrote: Now that the thirteenth consecutive Prototype Rails [ The Bash on the Beach ] is history and since I have recovered about 50% of what faculties I
still have remaining, I would like to thank the many members of the STMFC that attended and particularly those that made presentations. Such meets as Prototype Rails are very dependent on presenters, attendees, and I should add, the many manufacturers and vendors that attend.
I would like to note that the average high temperature during the meet was 80°. In recent years I have been blamed for temps somewhat lower than 80. I am, therefore, taking full credit for the extremely nice weather. Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss


Re: Establishing Tank car top and bottom locations

Jared Harper
 

You can do this more easily using a center finder. It has an angle that sits on top of the cylinder with a straight edge that goes down across the cylinder and bisects it so you can mark the center top and bottom.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Andy Carlson wrote:

Bill Welch mentioned the importance of establishing lines for the tops and
bottoms of the tanks during the construction of our tank cars. While machinists
have great tools for this purpose, there are alternative ways to get good
results. Here is one which I use:

On a level surface (such as a pane of glass) support the tank cylinder securely,
enough that the tank won't roll around. I use two steam engine cylinder
castings, but modeling clay will work well too. With a machinist's square, mark
the top location where the top of the tank is tangent to the horizontal. Repeat
by marking the tank at the point of tangentcy at the lower location. Duplicate
these actions on the opposite end of the tank, as well.

You now have 2 marks on each end of the cylinder for a total of 4. Draw a
longitudinal line joining the top two marks, and then the bottom two marks. The
tank cylinder need not be exactly horizontal to the working surface, as long as
the cylinder can't move, the technique will establish two lines 180 degrees
apart. Any error from eyeballing the marks should not be consequential if effort
is made to closely mark the top point of tangentcy.


-Andy Carlson
Ojai Ca


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Re: MILW 592025 - 593024 Auto Box

ed_mines
 

All the cars mentioned sound similar to the Q'Craft single sheathed auto box which had single sheathed ends. Plans for that car appeared in one of the CBCs.

Ed Mines

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "sctry" wrote:

My Milwaukee Road car rercords indicate that these cars were built by AC&F in August 1925 and my builders photo jappears to have a Hutchins all steel roof. The car is classed as XA and lettered 'Automobile". The only "end door" is the typical Bettendorf lumber door on the A-end. There is no indication that this series ever had large end loading doors.

Milw series 593025 - 593324 did have large end loading doors and double side doors.

My understanding is that Frank Hodina may be working on masters for a future resin kit.

John Greedy


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "krowth3249" wrote:

I'm looking for any info on MILW 592025 - 593024 Auto Box cars (classed XM in 1950), and apparently still 1 1/2 doors from ORER data) with end door appearing in 1950 ORER. I have an old Funaro and Camerlengo door and a half MILW kit without end doors which I suspect might be similar, although I know that most or all of the cars represented by that kit were converted to single door cars in the late 30's. If I could find a picture of the end door, and the cars were otherwise similar, I would like to scratchbuild an end with door to make a car that is right for 1950.

As to the F&C kit, it has a Murphy roof whereas similar MILW prototypes seem to all have Hutchins roofs. If the kit roof wrong, or is there another series that matches? What roof did 592025 - 593024 have?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Ken Roth


Re: Prototype Rails 2013

O Fenton Wells
 

Jeff, If you are to go "on wheels" please combine your efforts with a local
Sonic drive in so we can get burgers and fries during the clinics.
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Aley, Jeff A <Jeff.A.Aley@intel.com> wrote:

**


I don't have any short pants that are short enough... perhaps I could
borrow something from Denny.

Regards,

-Jeff

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mike Brock
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:31 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Prototype Rails 2013

Dan Sweeney says:

"Suggest you pony up for some roller skates for Jeff Aley; he was
everywhere!"

The idea does have some merit...although the image I get is staggering...

Mike Brock

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--
Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
srrfan1401@gmail.com


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