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Re: Easy brake detailing for Accurail (and other?) boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

Try the Tichy set. It has laa that stuff.
Fenton Wells

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Steve Sandifer <
steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

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Does the Vertical Staff and Brakewheel set have anything besides a piece of
wire and a wheel? I find myself backdating some cars to vertical staff and
really need the ratchet for the top of the car and the chain fitting for
the
lower end sill.

______________________________________________

J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer

mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net

Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918

Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
James Fellows
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:16 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Easy brake detailing for Accurail (and other?)
boxcars

It would be great to get them with out the floors for something like three
sets for $3.98.

Jim Fellows
----- Original Message -----
From: soolinehistory
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:54 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Easy brake detailing for Accurail (and other?) boxcars

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com ,
timboconnor@... wrote:


If it came with the AB valve and reservoir I'd buy enough for a couple
hundred cars -- I have a lot of old
Athearn kits and this would be a very quick and effective upgrade before
selling them on Ebay -- but it's
important to keep the cost down.

Tim O'Connor
Tim,

You can get those parts from our generic "Boxcar Detail Sprue", #161 molded
in black or #162 in mineral red, two sets with four 2-56 screws included
for
two bucks. Some of the other detail sprues also have AB valves and
reservoirs included. See:

http://www.accurail.com/accurail/parts.htm

Middle of the page, right hand side.

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Re: Easy brake detailing for Accurail (and other?) boxcars

Tom Vanwormer
 

Most of us in the TOC period use the Grandt NG air brake set with both
the rachet and chain. The narrow gauge used standard fittings on their
cars so it is accurate for standard gauge house cars of the time.
Tom VanWormer
Monument CO

Steve Sandifer wrote:



Does the Vertical Staff and Brakewheel set have anything besides a
piece of
wire and a wheel? I find myself backdating some cars to vertical staff and
really need the ratchet for the top of the car and the chain fitting
for the
lower end sill.

______________________________________________

J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer



Re: Easy brake detailing for Accurail (and other?) boxcars

Steve SANDIFER
 

Does the Vertical Staff and Brakewheel set have anything besides a piece of
wire and a wheel? I find myself backdating some cars to vertical staff and
really need the ratchet for the top of the car and the chain fitting for the
lower end sill.



______________________________________________

J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer

mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net

Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918

Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX
77025, 713-667-9417



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
James Fellows
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:16 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Easy brake detailing for Accurail (and other?)
boxcars





It would be great to get them with out the floors for something like three
sets for $3.98.

Jim Fellows

----- Original Message -----
From: soolinehistory
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:54 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Easy brake detailing for Accurail (and other?) boxcars

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
timboconnor@... wrote:


If it came with the AB valve and reservoir I'd buy enough for a couple
hundred cars -- I have a lot of old
Athearn kits and this would be a very quick and effective upgrade before
selling them on Ebay -- but it's
important to keep the cost down.

Tim O'Connor
Tim,

You can get those parts from our generic "Boxcar Detail Sprue", #161 molded
in black or #162 in mineral red, two sets with four 2-56 screws included for
two bucks. Some of the other detail sprues also have AB valves and
reservoirs included. See:

http://www.accurail.com/accurail/parts.htm

Middle of the page, right hand side.


Re: Easy brake detailing for Accurail (and other?) boxcars

James Fellows
 

It would be great to get them with out the floors for something like three sets for $3.98.

Jim Fellows

----- Original Message -----
From: soolinehistory
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:54 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Easy brake detailing for Accurail (and other?) boxcars





--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@... wrote:
>
>
> If it came with the AB valve and reservoir I'd buy enough for a couple hundred cars -- I have a lot of old
> Athearn kits and this would be a very quick and effective upgrade before selling them on Ebay -- but it's
> important to keep the cost down.
>
> Tim O'Connor

Tim,

You can get those parts from our generic "Boxcar Detail Sprue", #161 molded in black or #162 in mineral red, two sets with four 2-56 screws included for two bucks. Some of the other detail sprues also have AB valves and reservoirs included. See:

http://www.accurail.com/accurail/parts.htm

Middle of the page, right hand side.


Re: Easy brake detailing for Accurail (and other?) boxcars

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@... wrote:


If it came with the AB valve and reservoir I'd buy enough for a couple hundred cars -- I have a lot of old
Athearn kits and this would be a very quick and effective upgrade before selling them on Ebay -- but it's
important to keep the cost down.

Tim O'Connor
Tim,

You can get those parts from our generic "Boxcar Detail Sprue", #161 molded in black or #162 in mineral red, two sets with four 2-56 screws included for two bucks. Some of the other detail sprues also have AB valves and reservoirs included. See:

http://www.accurail.com/accurail/parts.htm

Middle of the page, right hand side.


Re: Northern Pacific box car paint and lettering

Tim O'Connor
 

Gene, the 60" herald is too modern your Sept 1950 modeling date.

http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/45801.htm

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <bierglaeser@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 12:57:50 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Northern Pacific box car paint and lettering

The Intermountain #45801 Northern Pacific 10'-6" Modified AAR Boxcar P/L scheme appears to be too modern for September 1950. The reweigh symbol and date DL 1-64 also tends to made me suspect it is too modern. Could someone please shed some factual light on this matter?
Gene Green


Re: Easy brake detailing for Accurail (and other?) boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

If it came with the AB valve and reservoir I'd buy enough for a couple hundred cars -- I have a lot of old
Athearn kits and this would be a very quick and effective upgrade before selling them on Ebay -- but it's
important to keep the cost down.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "StephenK" <thekays100@gmail.com>

Accurail is showing a new use for the brake piping they supply on the AAR 41' gondola kit. They are selling the part separately to mount on their 40' boxcar. I tried one on a Accurail underframe I was using to upgrade a TRIX ACR UP boxcar and, with only a few minutes work, made a big visual improvement.

I cannot vouch for the authenticity of this, but from the side it looks good.

Check this: http://www.accurail.com/accurail/brakeset.htm

Steve Kay


Easy brake detailing for Accurail (and other?) boxcars

StephenK
 

Accurail is showing a new use for the brake piping they supply on the AAR 41' gondola kit. They are selling the part separately to mount on their 40' boxcar. I tried one on a Accurail underframe I was using to upgrade a TRIX ACR UP boxcar and, with only a few minutes work, made a big visual improvement.

I cannot vouch for the authenticity of this, but from the side it looks good.

Check this: http://www.accurail.com/accurail/brakeset.htm

Steve Kay


Re: water out of the tender for fire hoses

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Hal,
Thanks much for directing me to that explanation.
This topic is unrelated to freight cars so I am ending my part now but I am grateful for the explanation.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Indian640@... wrote:

Allen Cain wrote:
"These employ the venture effect to syphon water from the tender into the
boiler by passing steam thru the venture throat which develops the suction
pressure to move the water."

Mere siphon is not enough. The pressure of the water entering the boiler
must exceed that of the steam pressure inside the boiler.

Gene Green


The kinetic energy of the siphon steam, condensing when
introduced to the "cold" feedwater, such that the mass of
the feed water, together with the exhaust steam will
open the check valve against the force of the boiler pressure.

As simply explained as possible: --
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_injector#Vacuum_ejectors_
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_injector#Vacuum_ejectors)


Mal Houck

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Northern Pacific box car paint and lettering

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

The Intermountain #45801 Northern Pacific 10'-6" Modified AAR Boxcar P/L scheme appears to be too modern for September 1950. The reweigh symbol and date DL 1-64 also tends to made me suspect it is too modern. Could someone please shed some factual light on this matter?
Gene Green


Re: What freight car drawings are available and where are they?

David
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:
What class are you seeking?
Class Ara, the sample box that PRR built in 1917.

David Thompson


Re: What freight car drawings are available and where are they?

SUVCWORR@...
 

That is everything in the collection which is available. The collection is still being catalogued. There are a number of 1 car classes which are not in the collection. As I understand it, most of the collection came from the PRR station in Pittsburgh when it was being renovated and converted to apartments.

What class are you seeking?

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: David <jaydeet2001@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:37 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Fwd: What freight car drawings are available and where are they?


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:
The drawings and ordering instructions on the holdings of the PRRT&HS can be
found at

http://www.prrths.com/Lewistown%20Archives/PRR_Microfilm.html
Is this a comprehensive list of their holdings? The car I'm looking for wasn't
included in the index.

David Thompson



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Re: water out of the tender for fire hoses

Malcolm H. Houck
 

Allen Cain wrote:
"These employ the venture effect to syphon water from the tender into the
boiler by passing steam thru the venture throat which develops the suction
pressure to move the water."

Mere siphon is not enough. The pressure of the water entering the boiler
must exceed that of the steam pressure inside the boiler.

Gene Green


The kinetic energy of the siphon steam, condensing when
introduced to the "cold" feedwater, such that the mass of
the feed water, together with the exhaust steam will
open the check valve against the force of the boiler pressure.

As simply explained as possible: --
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_injector#Vacuum_ejectors_
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_injector#Vacuum_ejectors)


Mal Houck


Re: Milwaukee - Fowler clones

Charlie Duckworth
 

Dave:
If you add a fish belly underframe and make up an original USRA roof you can make a Frisco rebuilt car from the Tichy kit. Jerry Glow makes decals for this car. He also makes an excellent P&LE decal set if you want to build the kit 'out of box'. The NYC ran into the midwest (at least they ran into St. Louis). If you want photos of the Frisco car I made just let me know.. I also have the Tichy car with Jerry's P&LE decals if you'd like photos of it as well.

As to the Fowler boxcar, i've built the DRGW car it makes into a nice model and is a good interchange car.

Charlie Duckworth

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Hummerdave" wrote:



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Al and Patricia Westerfield" wrote:

Dave â€" MILW had lots of SS box cars but no Fowler clones. Sunshine makes the best non-USRA representation. â€" Al Westerfield
Thanks AL, great now I'm in a real bind, I have 3 of your 6453 kits and a Tichy USRA rebuild that I need Midwestern RR's for any ideas ?

Regards
Dave Schroedle


Re: What freight car drawings are available and where are they?

Larry Kline
 

The general arrangement and lettering drawings listed on the PRRT&HS web site are a very small fraction of the drawings that are on the microfilm. The PRR microfilmed nearly all of their drawings ca. 1951. Some drawings were out of the files when the microfilming was done. Some of these were microfilmed later and some are missing.

To get information about other drawings, see the Drawing Ordering Information pdf at the link posted by Rich Orr. There are lists of tracings available for most freight cars. Drawings for cars built after the microfilming was done are not on the microfilm. We are currently processing the drawings in the collection. We will know what is available when the processing of the drawings is completed. There are some drawings in the collection for cars built after the microfilming was done.

Larry Kline
PRRT&HS Archives volunteer

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "David" wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@ wrote:
The drawings and ordering instructions on the holdings of the PRRT&HS can be found at

http://www.prrths.com/Lewistown%20Archives/PRR_Microfilm.html
Is this a comprehensive list of their holdings? The car I'm looking for wasn't included in the index.

David Thompson


Re: Sunshine at Timonium ?

 

When Bob Buck was running the show he called me to say anytime I wanted to come he’d have tables for me. We went once, got caught in a snow storm and minus degree weather and never went back. With two days there and back in mid-winter you’re almost sure to run into problems. The trouble with Springfield is it has gotten so big it’s a sellers market. They don’t need Martin so why bother to upgrade the show?

Timonium is quite different. Howard Zane will always find tables at the last minute for quality products. – Al Westerfield

From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:56 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Sunshine at Timonium ?


Tom

I do not fault Martin. I'll never understand how that group runs the
show. Sometimes I think it succeeds despite them, not because of them.

They gave my group (Free-Mo) a HUGE amount of space for our display
layout -- but to have one sales table in our space, we still have to
pay $150 !! Tell Martin about that price (per 8ft table) and he'd
probably think twice or three times about coming even if he could
get all the tables he wants.

Last year in the building I was in there must have been 2000 sq ft
of open space... I find it hard to believe they can't find space for
a few tables for Martin. Damn.

Tim

Tim,

The reason that Martin has never been to Springfield was that they could not guarantee him table space. They have been after him to come for a long time, but each time he asked for table space, they said that he would have to put his name on the waiting list when he arrived.

He told them that he was not coming all the way from Springfield Missouri without a table guarantee due to the cost of the trip out and back. Only when they could guarantee a table, then and only then would he come.

Would you be willing to travel halfway across the country with your goods, inventory on the prospect that you may get a table?

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292




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Re: 1946 Car Builder's Cyclopedia available on DVD

Larry Kline
 

I have both a hard copy of the 1946 Cyc and the Vintage Reproductions DVD. I bought the DVD to reduce the amount of handling for the reasons mentioned by Dennis Storzek. I hadn't noticed the missing pages. The hard copy has 1444 pages. The two DVDs have 1360 pages total including a few extra pages not in the hard copy Cyc.

The $150 price mentioned by Dennis is high. If you're patient you can buy the 1946 Cyc on ebay for much less. I kept track of ebay prices from 2007 to 2009. The prices for a 1946 CBCyc ranged from $61 to $191.60 with more than half below $100. You can get a 1953 CBCyc for even less. The prices for a 1953 CBCyc ranged from $38.57 to $158.51 with most below $100. I tabulated the prices and put the tabulation in the files section in Nov 2011. The file name is *CBCyc ebay prices.pdf.*

I agree with Dennis about the relative quality of the Rail Driver and Vintage Reproductions DVDs.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

On Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:45 pm (PST) Bill Kelly I also bought one of these. After using it for a while I noticed that not
all of the original pages are included. I don't know how many are missing
but I counted to a hundred and stopped counting. Thinking that this copy
was defective, who would sell a book without all of the pages ?, I
contacted them. They told me to return it for a refund then claimed that
they never received it so now I don't even have a poorly done DVD or my
$$. I'd say buyer beware ! I wouldn't buy anything from these people.
Later,
Bill Kelly


Sunshine Soo Line kits

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Has anyone completed either the 102.2 or 102.3 kits from Sunshine?
Please contact me off list.
Thanks
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: D&RGW 60200 series (ex-65100 series)

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Levin Roland, Omniprocess AB" wrote:

Hi Richard
Here is one other picture of this car type and it shows the details even better.
http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=42564
I don't understand your question. You can see the widely spaced rivets to the left of the door but not to the right. Is this your question? I can confirm that the rivets looked the same before any cars were transferred to the new number series. I have built two of the Sunshine kits for this model and they have the same setup of rivets.
Most of the cars were equipped with loaders for cars. Could that have anything to do with the rivets?

The heck with the rivets, look at the bottom mounted rollers on the doors!!!!! Could we have at last found the prototype for the old Athearn
Blue Box cars and their claw like rollers???? VBG

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: What freight car drawings are available and where are they?

David
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:
The drawings and ordering instructions on the holdings of the PRRT&HS can be found at

http://www.prrths.com/Lewistown%20Archives/PRR_Microfilm.html
Is this a comprehensive list of their holdings? The car I'm looking for wasn't included in the index.

David Thompson

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