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Re: Revell Flatcar

Bill Welch
 

So the ruling is the Revell/Con-Cor flat will not yield an good model of a CB&Q flat car? I remember being quite happy with mine after the modifications I made.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor wrote:

Steve

I think the standards of "very close" have changed in 26 years. :-)
Sometimes it's painful to go back in old magazine issues and see
what got documented as 'matching' this or that prototype.

Tim O'



There's an article in the November 1987 issue of MODEL RAILROADING magazine
on upgrading the Revell/Con-Con HO model. The article says it's very
close to some CB&Q, CGW, NKP and C&O prototypes with plain stake pockets and
to a ATSF car with three ribs on each stake pocket, and very close to a
welded GN car.
Steve Johnson

Steve or Scott,

Could one of you guys advise the class or number series of the ATSF flat
referred to in the 11/87 issue of Ding, please.

Cheers
Dave North


Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Sure looks like they are unloading sand. If so, it will be taken to a dryer before it can be loaded into the dome.

Before seeing this I was under the (apparently mistaken) thought that all of the Santa Fe's older wooden boxcars were gone before the start of WW II. But at first I see at least two older wooden boxcars... maybe more.

Hmmmm...


 
Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA



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Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943


 
Gene,

I noted that right away too. Looks like maybe locomotive sand?

Love the steam shovel and the scraper. Further down that string is a bulldozer with an A-frame - perhaps all destined for a construction project together?

Lot of tank cars, but scattered, not all in strings. The insulated 3 dome car in the front string... wine car?

The gons appear to have temporary sides made up of a variety of things and containing?

Regards

Bruce

Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Gene wrote:

--- In STMFC@...@yahoogroups.com>, "Marty" wrote:

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif., according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk

Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Gene Green

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Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Good morning Gene and Group,

Just for the record I have seen a similar operation in fact, I have been one of the shovelers.

In this case the sand was shoveled to the open drop bottom hatch -- most were blocked in the closed position -- where it fed into a hopper that dropped the sand onto a belt conveyor that lifted it over a concrete wall into a storage area at a building supply outfit. This in northeast Oklahoma on a hot summer day. A tough -- but honest -- way for a couple of high school kids to earn some "date" money.

Thanks for the memory.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Feb 4, 2013, at 6:41 AM, "Gene" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Marty" wrote:

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif., according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk
Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Gene Green



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Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@... wrote:

Gene, the CGW had a similar trestle (shorter) in Rochester Minn just east of the roundhouse for unloading engine coal. They probably had an elevator to load the tenders? Most photos show a snow plow spotted on the trestle.
Clark Propst
And I suppose the snow plow considered itself above it all.
Gene Green


Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

Clark Propst
 

Gene, the CGW had a similar trestle (shorter) in Rochester Minn just east of the roundhouse for unloading engine coal. They probably had an elevator to load the tenders? Most photos show a snow plow spotted on the trestle.
Clark Propst

Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Gene Green


Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

Bruce Smith
 

Gene,

I noted that right away too. Looks like maybe locomotive sand?

Love the steam shovel and the scraper. Further down that string is a bulldozer with an A-frame - perhaps all destined for a construction project together?

Lot of tank cars, but scattered, not all in strings. The insulated 3 dome car in the front string... wine car?

The gons appear to have temporary sides made up of a variety of things and containing?


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

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On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Gene wrote:

--- In STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>, "Marty" wrote:

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif., according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk

Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Gene Green


Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Marty" wrote:

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif., according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk
Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Gene Green


Delano - AT&SF - 1943

Marty McGuirk
 

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif., according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk


Re: Revell Flatcar

Steven D Johnson
 

I was just relaying what the magazine said to help Scott with his search for
information on those models and possible prototypes.



Steve Johnson





From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 9:52 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Revell Flatcar





Steve

I think the standards of "very close" have changed in 26 years. :-)
Sometimes it's painful to go back in old magazine issues and see
what got documented as 'matching' this or that prototype.

Tim O'

There's an article in the November 1987 issue of MODEL RAILROADING magazine
on upgrading the Revell/Con-Con HO model. The article says it's very
close to some CB&Q, CGW, NKP and C&O prototypes with plain stake pockets
and
to a ATSF car with three ribs on each stake pocket, and very close to a
welded GN car.
Steve Johnson

Steve or Scott,

Could one of you guys advise the class or number series of the ATSF flat
referred to in the 11/87 issue of Ding, please.

Cheers
Dave North


Re: Revell Flatcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Steve

I think the standards of "very close" have changed in 26 years. :-)
Sometimes it's painful to go back in old magazine issues and see
what got documented as 'matching' this or that prototype.

Tim O'

There's an article in the November 1987 issue of MODEL RAILROADING magazine
on upgrading the Revell/Con-Con HO model. The article says it's very
close to some CB&Q, CGW, NKP and C&O prototypes with plain stake pockets and
to a ATSF car with three ribs on each stake pocket, and very close to a
welded GN car.
Steve Johnson

Steve or Scott,

Could one of you guys advise the class or number series of the ATSF flat
referred to in the 11/87 issue of Ding, please.

Cheers
Dave North


Re: Revell Flatcar

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Thanks, Al. I know Byron did the masters for your PRR X23 kit, and they were outstanding (I really need to build mine someday...)

Bill Daniels
On Feb 3, 2013, at 6:30 PM, "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:

Bill – Byron is still around. I trade DVDs of movie musicals with him. He’s been busy doing some house renovations (he’s an architect) and hasn’t done much modeling in a while. I did the casting for his flat car and others but that was long ago. H hasn’t put out a new kit in at least 10 years. - Al Westerfield

From: Bill Daniels
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 8:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Revell Flatcar

Greg,

Your comment makes me wonder... is Pittsburgh Scale Models (Byron Rose) still around? I've got one of his flatcar kits here, and Byron mentions a scale-sized coupler pocket.

Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA

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From: "mailto:tgregmrtn%40aol.com" mailto:tgregmrtn%40aol.com>
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Revell Flatcar

Hello Scott,

Your notes to the list made me dig out my Blue Line copy of my article in
Mainline Modeler.

At the time I was like you and owned one of the cars and wasn't sure
exactly what I should do with it and at the time I figured I owned it and it
would be a shame not to create something believable out of it. So I did some
research on the car from past articles I could find and at that point
contacted Richard Hendrickson and he told me that the car closely represented the
ARR 50-ton flat but it was old tooling and told me that Pittsburgh Scale
Models has actually a better option for fidelity to scale. But he told me
that the car could be refined.

So the article was my way of making Chicken Soup from Chicken Poop you
might say as not long after the article broke I got a call from the folks at
Life Like announcing that they were releasing the kit in HO Scale very soon,
go figure.

The major issues that plague the car are the underframe and the fact that
the bolster sets too high, and the lack of and end sill (Revell had Talgo
couples and they didn't need any sticking end sill). The article focuses on
the Kit-smashing and how I dealt with the issues. I am happy to have the car
in my fleet and it has been in Cocoa Beach and at Naperville several times
and albeit no Life Like it is here to stay.

The question is, if you own it do you want to re-had it? I look at projects
like this as a not-so-very-high-priority, but if the if the spirit moves
me, well... And doing it might inspire someone else who has the model to do
the same.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 2/1/2013 10:24:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mailto:shhaycock%40comcast.net writes:

Going through a box of old stuff, I came across an old Revell flatcar body
about 54 feet long. Is this car representative of any prototype? I haven't
found anything but the body- no frame. If this car is worth fixing up,is
there a current flatcar model that would have the correct type of frame for
this car?
Thanks

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm ent
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Re: AAR flatcars

Scott H. Haycock
 

Good evening, Richard
I found your Railmodel Journal articles, thanks for the tip. Could you direct me to information on the 70t AAR cars?
Thank you


Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm ent

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There's been a lot of sharing of fragments of information (and mis-information) on this subject, despite the fact that there is ample published documentation on both the AAR 50 ton and 70 ton flat cars as well as their war emergency versions. The Santa Fe Ft-V was a war emergency AAR 70 ton car and has been accurately modeled by Intermountain, along with AAR 70 ton cars for other RRs, e.g. the Erie (for which the design was first built), NYC, Wabash, DT&I, New Haven, B&O, Pere Marquette (later C&O), CNJ, etc.

The AAR 50 ton flat car has been modeled very well by Life-Like/Walthers Proto 2000; owners included UP, ASCL, CNW, Rio Grande, L&N, MP, NP EJ&E and a number of others. See my two part article in Railmodel Journal, June and August, 1999.

Why there's all this fuss about trying to resurrect a lame Con Cor model when there are much better HO scale models of both prototypes baffles me, but YMMV.

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Re: Revell Flatcar

 

Bill – Byron is still around. I trade DVDs of movie musicals with him. He’s been busy doing some house renovations (he’s an architect) and hasn’t done much modeling in a while. I did the casting for his flat car and others but that was long ago. H hasn’t put out a new kit in at least 10 years. - Al Westerfield

From: Bill Daniels
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 8:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Revell Flatcar


Greg,

Your comment makes me wonder... is Pittsburgh Scale Models (Byron Rose) still around? I've got one of his flatcar kits here, and Byron mentions a scale-sized coupler pocket.


Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA

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From: "mailto:tgregmrtn%40aol.com" mailto:tgregmrtn%40aol.com>
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Revell Flatcar



Hello Scott,

Your notes to the list made me dig out my Blue Line copy of my article in
Mainline Modeler.

At the time I was like you and owned one of the cars and wasn't sure
exactly what I should do with it and at the time I figured I owned it and it
would be a shame not to create something believable out of it. So I did some
research on the car from past articles I could find and at that point
contacted Richard Hendrickson and he told me that the car closely represented the
ARR 50-ton flat but it was old tooling and told me that Pittsburgh Scale
Models has actually a better option for fidelity to scale. But he told me
that the car could be refined.

So the article was my way of making Chicken Soup from Chicken Poop you
might say as not long after the article broke I got a call from the folks at
Life Like announcing that they were releasing the kit in HO Scale very soon,
go figure.

The major issues that plague the car are the underframe and the fact that
the bolster sets too high, and the lack of and end sill (Revell had Talgo
couples and they didn't need any sticking end sill). The article focuses on
the Kit-smashing and how I dealt with the issues. I am happy to have the car
in my fleet and it has been in Cocoa Beach and at Naperville several times
and albeit no Life Like it is here to stay.

The question is, if you own it do you want to re-had it? I look at projects
like this as a not-so-very-high-priority, but if the if the spirit moves
me, well... And doing it might inspire someone else who has the model to do
the same.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 2/1/2013 10:24:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mailto:shhaycock%40comcast.net writes:

Going through a box of old stuff, I came across an old Revell flatcar body
about 54 feet long. Is this car representative of any prototype? I haven't
found anything but the body- no frame. If this car is worth fixing up,is
there a current flatcar model that would have the correct type of frame for
this car?
Thanks

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm ent
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Re: Revell Flatcar

Greg Martin
 

Bill,

I am not sure if PSM is still around, but he was light years ahead of his
time.

With Styrene and a set of scale coupler pockets don't you accomplish the
same thing?

Greg

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 2/3/2013 6:15:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
billinsf@... writes:




Greg,

Your comment makes me wonder... is Pittsburgh Scale Models (Byron Rose)
still around? I've got one of his flatcar kits here, and Byron mentions a
scale-sized coupler pocket.


Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA

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From: "_tgregmrtn@... (mailto:tgregmrtn@...) " _tgregmrtn@...
(mailto:tgregmrtn@...) >
To: _STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...)
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Revell Flatcar



Hello Scott,

Your notes to the list made me dig out my Blue Line copy of my article in
Mainline Modeler.

At the time I was like you and owned one of the cars and wasn't sure
exactly what I should do with it and at the time I figured I owned it and
it
would be a shame not to create something believable out of it. So I did
some
research on the car from past articles I could find and at that point
contacted Richard Hendrickson and he told me that the car closely
represented the
ARR 50-ton flat but it was old tooling and told me that Pittsburgh Scale
Models has actually a better option for fidelity to scale. But he told me
that the car could be refined.

So the article was my way of making Chicken Soup from Chicken Poop you
might say as not long after the article broke I got a call from the folks
at
Life Like announcing that they were releasing the kit in HO Scale very
soon,
go figure.

The major issues that plague the car are the underframe and the fact that
the bolster sets too high, and the lack of and end sill (Revell had Talgo
couples and they didn't need any sticking end sill). The article focuses
on
the Kit-smashing and how I dealt with the issues. I am happy to have the
car
in my fleet and it has been in Cocoa Beach and at Naperville several times
and albeit no Life Like it is here to stay.

The question is, if you own it do you want to re-had it? I look at
projects
like this as a not-so-very-high-priority, but if the if the spirit moves
me, well... And doing it might inspire someone else who has the model to
do
the same.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 2/1/2013 10:24:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
_shhaycock@... (mailto:shhaycock@...) writes:

Going through a box of old stuff, I came across an old Revell flatcar body
about 54 feet long. Is this car representative of any prototype? I haven't
found anything but the body- no frame. If this car is worth fixing up,is
there a current flatcar model that would have the correct type of frame
for
this car?
Thanks

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm ent
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Re: Revell Flatcar

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Greg,

Your comment makes me wonder... is Pittsburgh Scale Models (Byron Rose) still around? I've got one of his flatcar kits here, and Byron mentions a scale-sized coupler pocket.


 
Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA



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From: "tgregmrtn@..." <tgregmrtn@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Revell Flatcar


 
Hello Scott,

Your notes to the list made me dig out my Blue Line copy of my article in
Mainline Modeler.

At the time I was like you and owned one of the cars and wasn't sure
exactly what I should do with it and at the time I figured I owned it and it
would be a shame not to create something believable out of it. So I did some
research on the car from past articles I could find and at that point
contacted Richard Hendrickson and he told me that the car closely represented the
ARR 50-ton flat but it was old tooling and told me that Pittsburgh Scale
Models has actually a better option for fidelity to scale. But he told me
that the car could be refined.

So the article was my way of making Chicken Soup from Chicken Poop you
might say as not long after the article broke I got a call from the folks at
Life Like announcing that they were releasing the kit in HO Scale very soon,
go figure.

The major issues that plague the car are the underframe and the fact that
the bolster sets too high, and the lack of and end sill (Revell had Talgo
couples and they didn't need any sticking end sill). The article focuses on
the Kit-smashing and how I dealt with the issues. I am happy to have the car
in my fleet and it has been in Cocoa Beach and at Naperville several times
and albeit no Life Like it is here to stay.

The question is, if you own it do you want to re-had it? I look at projects
like this as a not-so-very-high-priority, but if the if the spirit moves
me, well... And doing it might inspire someone else who has the model to do
the same.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 2/1/2013 10:24:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
shhaycock@... writes:

Going through a box of old stuff, I came across an old Revell flatcar body
about 54 feet long. Is this car representative of any prototype? I haven't
found anything but the body- no frame. If this car is worth fixing up,is
there a current flatcar model that would have the correct type of frame for
this car?
Thanks

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm ent
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Re: Revell Flatcar

Scott H. Haycock
 

Good evening, Greg,
Having started out kitbashing in the early 70's to get better models when Blue box and MDC were all there was, old habits die hard. Besides I am more of a modeler than a collector of models and enjoy these sort of projects. It turns out that I have a Life Like kit of this car also- I just dug it out of my stash- so now I have 2 flat cars to build.
The modern trend towards RTR everything doesn't bother me as much as it does some, but I'll take a kit over a RTR car every time, given the choice!


Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm ent

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Hello Scott,

Your notes to the list made me dig out my Blue Line copy of my article in
Mainline Modeler.

At the time I was like you and owned one of the cars and wasn't sure
exactly what I should do with it and at the time I figured I owned it and it
would be a shame not to create something believable out of it. So I did some
research on the car from past articles I could find and at that point
contacted Richard Hendrickson and he told me that the car closely represented the
ARR 50-ton flat but it was old tooling and told me that Pittsburgh Scale
Models has actually a better option for fidelity to scale. But he told me
that the car could be refined.

So the article was my way of making Chicken Soup from Chicken Poop you
might say as not long after the article broke I got a call from the folks at
Life Like announcing that they were releasing the kit in HO Scale very soon,
go figure.

The major issues that plague the car are the underframe and the fact that
the bolster sets too high, and the lack of and end sill (Revell had Talgo
couples and they didn't need any sticking end sill). The article focuses on
the Kit-smashing and how I dealt with the issues. I am happy to have the car
in my fleet and it has been in Cocoa Beach and at Naperville several times
and albeit no Life Like it is here to stay.

The question is, if you own it do you want to re-had it? I look at projects
like this as a not-so-very-high-priority, but if the if the spirit moves
me, well... And doing it might inspire someone else who has the model to do
the same.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 2/1/2013 10:24:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
shhaycock@... writes:

Going through a box of old stuff, I came across an old Revell flatcar body
about 54 feet long. Is this car representative of any prototype? I haven't
found anything but the body- no frame. If this car is worth fixing up,is
there a current flatcar model that would have the correct type of frame for
this car?
Thanks

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm ent


Re: Revell Flatcar

Greg Martin
 

Hello Scott,

Your notes to the list made me dig out my Blue Line copy of my article in
Mainline Modeler.

At the time I was like you and owned one of the cars and wasn't sure
exactly what I should do with it and at the time I figured I owned it and it
would be a shame not to create something believable out of it. So I did some
research on the car from past articles I could find and at that point
contacted Richard Hendrickson and he told me that the car closely represented the
ARR 50-ton flat but it was old tooling and told me that Pittsburgh Scale
Models has actually a better option for fidelity to scale. But he told me
that the car could be refined.

So the article was my way of making Chicken Soup from Chicken Poop you
might say as not long after the article broke I got a call from the folks at
Life Like announcing that they were releasing the kit in HO Scale very soon,
go figure.

The major issues that plague the car are the underframe and the fact that
the bolster sets too high, and the lack of and end sill (Revell had Talgo
couples and they didn't need any sticking end sill). The article focuses on
the Kit-smashing and how I dealt with the issues. I am happy to have the car
in my fleet and it has been in Cocoa Beach and at Naperville several times
and albeit no Life Like it is here to stay.

The question is, if you own it do you want to re-had it? I look at projects
like this as a not-so-very-high-priority, but if the if the spirit moves
me, well... And doing it might inspire someone else who has the model to do
the same.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 2/1/2013 10:24:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
shhaycock@... writes:




Going through a box of old stuff, I came across an old Revell flatcar body
about 54 feet long. Is this car representative of any prototype? I haven't
found anything but the body- no frame. If this car is worth fixing up,is
there a current flatcar model that would have the correct type of frame for
this car?
Thanks

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm ent
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Re: Revell Flatcar

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 3, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "Scott H. Haycock " <shhaycock@...> wrote:
According to The "ATSF 1950 significant freight car classes" in the files section, there 70t 53' war emergency AAR flat cars class Ft-v which might be the cars referred to. Without a picture I can't tell.
As an aside, would this car be the same as the 50t car with 70t trucks or are there 2 different designs here?
There's been a lot of sharing of fragments of information (and mis-information) on this subject, despite the fact that there is ample published documentation on both the AAR 50 ton and 70 ton flat cars as well as their war emergency versions. The Santa Fe Ft-V was a war emergency AAR 70 ton car and has been accurately modeled by Intermountain, along with AAR 70 ton cars for other RRs, e.g. the Erie (for which the design was first built), NYC, Wabash, DT&I, New Haven, B&O, Pere Marquette (later C&O), CNJ, etc.

The AAR 50 ton flat car has been modeled very well by Life-Like/Walthers Proto 2000; owners included UP, ASCL, CNW, Rio Grande, L&N, MP, NP EJ&E and a number of others. See my two part article in Railmodel Journal, June and August, 1999.

Why there's all this fuss about trying to resurrect a lame Con Cor model when there are much better HO scale models of both prototypes baffles me, but YMMV.


Re: Reweigh Stencils was Re: Revell Flatcar

Scott H. Haycock
 

I looked in the file Ben referred to and found a BS on the SP- Bayshore Shops. Than is not conclusive because 2 letter codes are often repeated on different roads, and not every railroad is listed.


Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm ent

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Just a note that the abbreviation might not have been for a C&O location. Cars did get reweighed offline every so often, though it generally was uncommon.

David Thompson






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Reweigh Stencils was Re: Revell Flatcar

David
 

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" wrote:
C&O 80575-80624. "BS 3-70" IS NOT A CAR CLASS! It's a reweigh
(NOT "SHOPPING" OR "REPAINT") stencil, though "BS" is not showing up
as a C&O scale location in the spreadsheet in the group files section.
Just a note that the abbreviation might not have been for a C&O location. Cars did get reweighed offline every so often, though it generally was uncommon.

David Thompson

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